NAME THE MONTH that Talk Radio is restricted

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

I'm going with March '09. Something will happen to cripple the conservatives' speech next month. Winner gets a "Sig Heil"!

[soonerscuba]

At this point I'm hoping it passes solely because I think your posts are funny.

[Animal Mother]

I'm going with March '09. Something will happen to cripple the conservatives' speech next month. Winner gets a "Sig Heil"!

You really know how to play chess with Man-O-War.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

At this point I'm hoping it passes solely because I think your posts are funny.Hard to believe

[King Crimson]

restricted? just RESTRICTED?

naw, shut down completely with the new even more Pravda MSM.

I thought that was the story....? :D

[TheHumanAlphabet]

Given how the libs are flush with excitement over the largest power grab ever, I suspect that hearing will be held in March and localism will be the rule in April...

[Penguin]

What are you good folks talking about? Is the government cracking down on talking heads?

[King Crimson]

curious, honest question, why is that low-power local FCC licenses are perceived as "liberal" and therefore bad?

sounds like "entrepreneurship" to me.

i don't how the idea that a locality can produce it's own media content is by it's nature a liberal sham? having worked for a college radio station and part of an effort that allowed one to be....low power radio/spectrum allocation is great.

clear channel?

[OklahomaTuba]

Why not just let the private sector worry about producing media content instead of "a locality"???

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Given how the libs are flush with excitement over the largest power grab ever, I suspect that hearing will be held in March and localism will be the rule in April...Good. Don't forget to remind me of your guess if you are correct.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

curious, honest question, why is that low-power local FCC licenses are perceived as "liberal" and therefore bad?

sounds like "entrepreneurship" to me.

i don't how the idea that a locality can produce it's own media content is by it's nature a liberal sham? having worked for a college radio station and part of an effort that allowed one to be....low power radio/spectrum allocation is great.

clear channel?Nice try KC. Your comments don't pass the smell test, and you know it.

[King Crimson]

Nice try KC. Your comments don't pass the smell test, and you know it.

hogwash. i've defended Rush's right to be on the air many times on this board. you are retreating into partisan-ville here.

if your problem is that the east coast, west coast MSM is distorting facts, then you wouldn't want the access to a presentation of news of the nation from a more local perspective?

[KC//CRIMSON]

I'm going with March '09. Something will happen to cripple the conservatives' speech next month. Winner gets a "Sig Heil"!


I hope you fail.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Revisit the First Amendment.

[King Crimson]

Why not just let the private sector worry about producing media content instead of "a locality"???

anytime you are talking about FCC licenses, you are talking about the intersection of public-private spheres. again, i refer to the history of telecommunications in the US and the 1934 Communications Act.

the spectrum is in legal terms a natural resource that is deemed to be a public trust, owned by the people.

my point is that a small business as a producer of content, like one in locality, should be able to have spectrum access...that resembles "entrepreneurship" more than the current FM dial. they can draw their own ad sponsorship and so on. as it is, small media producers are not given the chance to compete with the monopoly of spectrum allocation.

[Pricetag]

But the big shows make more money easier the way things are now.

[King Crimson]

But the big shows make more money easier the way things are now.

so do chain restaurants owned by "dining concept" corporations, but there's nothing that stops mom and pop from opening up a place to compete.

with spectrum space, all the allocation goes against mom and pop. they have no access.

yet, somehow the republicans on this board argue against their own professed commitments to the free market and entrepreneurship.

[Pricetag]

They're afraid they'll lose their opinions.

[StoopTroup]

It's been restricted quite a while now...I mean...I've been turning that crap off and on for sometime now...

[King Crimson]

i understand that. and that's why i've argued for Rush to be on air...

but, that's the danger if you favor a purely free market, isn't it?

which is not ever going to be the case, so maybe we should reign in some of the purist rhetoric and think about how the current spectrum space can be allocated with demand in mind and not coercive, restrictive oversight from either corporate entities or the FCC being in the pocket of industry.

[StoopTroup]

Rush and Hannity have become these on air entities that have teams of minions out there compiling material for them to air. They have agendas that try to keep their ratings high and Sponsors happy. Some days they are funny as heck and other days they are political "National Enquirers". If they can uncover an alien and there's a picture of one shaking hands with a Democrat...they will uncover the plot.

They both are nothing but entertainment. Thing is some folks think they are real. They are about as real as Oral Roberts was when he healed folks in a tent.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

curious, honest question, why is that low-power local FCC licenses are perceived as "liberal" and therefore bad?

sounds like "entrepreneurship" to me.

i don't how the idea that a locality can produce it's own media content is by it's nature a liberal sham? having worked for a college radio station and part of an effort that allowed one to be....low power radio/spectrum allocation is great.

clear channel?

Why restrict enterprising and successful radio or entertainment. Libs want to because it is the ONLY venue they don't control. They could not keep an alternative network going - NO ONE listened!

I would agree if they left status quo and suggested "low-powered" radio stations in ADDITION to the subset of about 3 national radio hosts they don't like.

[SoonerBorn68]

The "stimulas" was just a test to see if the Dems could ramrod legislation & they've proven they can. It's just a matter of time before they go after the rest of their goals.

[King Crimson]

Why restrict enterprising and successful radio or entertainment. Libs want to because it is the ONLY venue they don't control. They could not keep an alternative network going - NO ONE listened!

I would agree if they left status quo and suggested "low-powered" radio stations in ADDITION to the subset of about 3 national radio hosts they don't like.

air america has nothing to do with what i'm talking about.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

Yeah, but if AA was successful, there would be less of a rush to localism and stiffling conservative radio. Just sayin'

[JohnnyMack]

Rush and Hannity have become these on air entities that have teams of minions out there compiling material for them to air. They have agendas that try to keep their ratings high and Sponsors happy. Some days they are funny as heck and other days they are political "National Enquirers". If they can uncover an alien and there's a picture of one shaking hands with a Democrat...they will uncover the plot.

They both are nothing but entertainment. Thing is some folks think they are real. They are about as real as Oral Roberts was when he healed folks in a tent.

IT'S STILL REAL TO ME DAMMIT!!!!

[King Crimson]

Yeah, but is AA was successful, there would be less of a rush to localism and stiffling conservative radio. Just sayin'

see, that's not true. local license and spectrum allocation has been a topic for consideration LONG before AA existed. 10, 20 years. John McCain was at one time a primary spokesperson for low spectrum allocation....and worked for much of his "maverick" career against corporate control of the spectrum.

[LosAngelesSooner]

I don't see why it's immediately assumed that "dirty libs" would take control of the local radio stations.

You actually see the local stations in OK NOT being very, very conservative?

Personally I see a whole bunch of Rush Limbaugh wannabees popping up, everybody trying to "out-outlandishly comment" each other in an attempt for some kind of national recognition, and the "God Hates Fags" preacher dude getting his own station.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

The "stimulas" was just a test to see if the Dems could ramrod legislation & they've proven they can. It's just a matter of time before they go after the rest of their goals.FIRST PLACE AWARD(for answers that don't answer the question)

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Rush and Hannity have become these on air entities... They have agendas that try to keep their ratings high and Sponsors happy. If they can uncover an alien and there's a picture of one shaking hands with a Democrat...they will uncover the plot.(WTF does this mean?)

They both are nothing but entertainment. Thing is some folks think they are real. They are about as real as Oral Roberts was when he healed folks in a tent.Pretty silly post. It's like saying conservatism and liberalism aren't real. Good avatar, though.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

LAS, I don't think the Libs will take over local radio, rather they are restricting a national opposition voice. Divide and conquer. They would then have the monopoly on the national voice and let a lot of small pups yap on the local air waves. Pretty good while you are 1984-ing the government. Actually, local radio will probably become more polarized and many will dismiss out of hand as a bunch of crack pots on either end and no audience. LIbs in Washington win. 20+ Million listeners are pretty much a vocal group when you have 1-3 national spokespeople rallying people with similar views to urge congress to do something and find the sneaky things the opposition will do. I.E. Pelosi rushing the vote to go to the Vatican and breaking her promise to publish the stimulus bill prior to a vote...

[King Crimson]

LAS, I don't think the Libs will take over local radio, rather they are restricting a national opposition voice.

see, that's not true. Rush is on KOA here in Denver, which is one of the original 50,000 watt spectrum grants going back to the earliest FCC legislation of the spectrum. giving out local spectrum space on AM or FM on the end of the dial isn't going to affect KOA at all. in the middle of the night KOA reaches all the way to Missouri and Washington state.

[King Crimson]

is Rush on KOMA or KOKC in OKC, he must be? I used to listen to OU hoops games on the radio in Boulder on those stations if the weather was right, before i had net access.

you guys should do a little homework on what's what...the technology, the history etc. before you start with the "persecution" angle.

[Jerk]

. Pelosi rushing the vote to go to the Vatican and breaking her promise to publish the stimulus bill prior to a vote...


See, that is something I never would have known about if it weren't for talk radio. You think PBS would report that? lol sure.

Limbaugh admits he is an entertainer, and I enjoy listening. I have been for 17 years. If anyone doesn't like it, simply turn the knob. It's really not that hard.

This whole spectrum argument is bullsh** and anyone who argues for it probably does not believe in the 1st amendment unless it's to protect kiddie porn. There are not very many stations on AM and there is plenty of bandwidth.

The number one rule for marxism is to silense all dissent. Period. That's why they hate the 2nd amendment, too.

[royalfan5]

is Rush on KOMA or KOKC in OKC, he must be? I used to listen to OU hoops games on the radio in Boulder on those stations if the weather was right, before i had net access.

you guys should do a little homework on what's what...the technology, the history etc. before you start with the "persecution" angle.

He is on KFAB out of Omaha which is another one of the stations that covers pretty much the entire Western Corn Belt as well.

[King Crimson]

See, that is something I never would have known about if it weren't for talk radio. You think PBS would report that? lol sure.

Limbaugh admits he is an entertainer, and I enjoy listening. I have been for 17 years. If anyone doesn't like it, simply turn the knob. It's really not that hard.

This whole spectrum argument is bullsh** and anyone who argues for it probably does not believe in the 1st amendment unless it's to protect kiddie porn. There are not very many stations on AM and there is plenty of bandwidth.
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80-90 years of FCC legislation falls under the knife of jerk's "bull****". the spectrum is bull****. it's a finite resource that is owned by the people. do you know how amplitude modulation works?

the spectrum argument i am making frees up spectrum space for individual determination and MORE about the 1st amendment.

[LosAngelesSooner]

The number one rule for marxism is to silense all dissent. Period. That's why they hate the 2nd amendment, too.
What's funny to me is that you think this is a Dem or Repub thing. It's a BIG GOVERNMENT thing.

Bush did more to squash free speech and openness in government than any President before him in recent history. This is a fact.

If you think Pres. Obama is doing the same, then I postulate that it has more to do with Big Government trying to control the masses than any Dem vs. Repub "war" you may imagine.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

KC, what you are not mentioning, is that the dems want localism to prevent a national voice. So you wouldn't have Rush or who have you on a national network. Each local radio station would have to program their own content. Thats the plan, and if they have to plan say three hours of opposition radio with no one buying time, then likely the national voice will be dropped per the localism/opposition rule. Ultimately, you would have local programming or the end to talk radio. Don't get me wrong... a couple of hours of the swap shop or a discussion of farm prices are good for the local community. But what you are seeing here is congress passing a law to restrict free speech and the opportunity for some people to listen, be entertained, learn something going on in Washington, versus some people the right to not listen by voting on the radio dial.

Guarantee - if Rush didn't have 20 million listeners, he wouldn't have a show or be nationally syndicated.

[Mjcpr]

Guarantee - if Rush didn't have 20 million listeners, he wouldn't have a show or be nationally syndicated.

Good point. I don't have 20 million listeners and I don't have either!

[LosAngelesSooner]

Right.

'Cause Rush would just quit broadcasting. The fact that he's syndicated wouldn't matter at all. He wouldn't go on Satellite radio and reach even MORE listeners or anything. He'd just quit.

Those dirty smart Libs. :rolleyes:

[soonerboomer93]

August, 1988

[Jerk]

What's funny to me is that you think this is a Dem or Repub thing. It's a BIG GOVERNMENT thing.

Bush did more to squash free speech and openness in government than any President before him in recent history. This is a fact.

If you think Pres. Obama is doing the same, then I postulate that it has more to do with Big Government trying to control the masses than any Dem vs. Repub "war" you may imagine.

I don't see it as a 'dem vs rep' war.

I see it as the 'have nots' led by the elite, vs the middle class, with the 'elite' using the envy of the 'have nots' as a vehicle for their own power.

[Jerk]

You ever hear of a 'limousine liberal'?

I rest my case.

[Jerk]

Simply put this 'war' is about collectivism vs individual rights

[SoonerBorn68]

is Rush on KOMA or KOKC in OKC, he must be?

KTOK 1000 AM. KOKC broadcasts Neal Boortz. I don't get either of them out in the sticks. KOMA turned into KOKC a couple of years ago.

[Jerk]

KTOK 1000 AM. KOKC broadcasts Neal Boortz. I don't get either of them out in the sticks. KOMA turned into KOKC a couple of years ago.

I bet you can pick up 740 out of Tulsa. It's a blowtorch.

[King Crimson]

KC, what you are not mentioning, is that the dems want localism to prevent a national voice. So you wouldn't have Rush or who have you on a national network. Each local radio station would have to program their own content. Thats the plan, and if they have to plan say three hours of opposition radio with no one buying time, then likely the national voice will be dropped per the localism/opposition rule. Ultimately, you would have local programming or the end to talk radio. Don't get me wrong... a couple of hours of the swap shop or a discussion of farm prices are good for the local community. But what you are seeing here is congress passing a law to restrict free speech and the opportunity for some people to listen, be entertained, learn something going on in Washington, versus some people the right to not listen by voting on the radio dial.

Guarantee - if Rush didn't have 20 million listeners, he wouldn't have a show or be nationally syndicated.

this doesn't make any sense to me. Rush is on KOA--which i've alluded to as a national and powerful regional voice and soon Clear Channel...somehow this isn't "national networks"?

this mandate you seem to be suggesting will exist to dump Rush and put on lesbian Boulder dog tattoo hour is where on the most powerful AM radio voice in the region?

[King Crimson]

KTOK 1000 AM. KOKC broadcasts Neal Boortz. I don't get either of them out in the sticks. KOMA turned into KOKC a couple of years ago.

do they have music on 1520? "oldies": or just talk?

[Jerk]

I don't see it as a 'dem vs rep' war.

I see it as the 'have nots' led by the elite, vs the middle class, with the 'elite' using the envy of the 'have nots' as a vehicle for their own power.

I just thought of the perfect example:

John Edwards and 'two Americas'

Meanwhile, the dude lives in a freakin mansion.

[King Crimson]

I just thought of the perfect example:

John Edwards and 'two Americas'

Meanwhile, the dude lives in a freakin mansion.

and you think that voting for a Bush ("from Odessa") is any different?

[Jerk]

and you think that voting for a Bush ("from Odessa") is any different?

"Compassionate conservative' was a joke, but he did go after our enemies instead of dropping the charges.

Bush's mistake is that he thought he could appeal to both the religious right and the advocates of the professional poor, and the classic liberals such as myself (right wing libertarians if you will) would have no choice but to vote for the 'lessor of two evils.' Well, hell, I did, but look at who the alternatives were. But many people did not fall for that and the Republicans became fresh out of new ideas in 2006. For people like me the motivation became to vote based on fear of the other side, not the ideas of your own side, because the ideas were convoluted by a moderate Republican President. That kind of thing just won't win.

Yes, I am a liberal. A classic liberal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Limbaugh admits he is an entertainer, and I enjoy listening. I have been for 17 years. If anyone doesn't like it, simply turn the knob. It's really not that hard.

The number one rule for marxism is to silense all dissent. Period. That's why they hate the 2nd amendment, too.You failed to add that he tries to cover the subjects he finds interesting and important to all of us(the political stuff), with the TRUTH, documented to be correct about 99% of the time, according to fact verification studies done on him on a continuing basis. So, it's not like he's just out there making up stuff to entertain, which is the picture some on the left try to portray, to discourage people from listening to him.

[SoonerBorn68]

do they have music on 1520? "oldies": or just talk?

No music, just talk. 92.5 KOMA FM plays the oldies.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

...put on lesbian Boulder dog tattoo hour is where on the most powerful AM radio voice in the region?

:D Now that's funny!

[Scott D]

KC, what you are not mentioning, is that the dems want localism to prevent a national voice. So you wouldn't have Rush or who have you on a national network. Each local radio station would have to program their own content. Thats the plan, and if they have to plan say three hours of opposition radio with no one buying time, then likely the national voice will be dropped per the localism/opposition rule. Ultimately, you would have local programming or the end to talk radio. Don't get me wrong... a couple of hours of the swap shop or a discussion of farm prices are good for the local community. But what you are seeing here is congress passing a law to restrict free speech and the opportunity for some people to listen, be entertained, learn something going on in Washington, versus some people the right to not listen by voting on the radio dial.

Guarantee - if Rush didn't have 20 million listeners, he wouldn't have a show or be nationally syndicated.

I'd like to make you listen to WDFN (Detroit) 6 months ago, and then make you listen to it again yesterday. Then you could see how local programming can be destroyed not only by national syndication, but terrible national syndication. What are you going to do when any station you listen to now, gets "ClearChanneled"?

BTW, in the last month since the changeover was done without warning, WDFN's share went from being first in the talk radio market here to damn near being last.

[Scott D]

this doesn't make any sense to me. Rush is on KOA--which i've alluded to as a national and powerful regional voice and soon Clear Channel...somehow this isn't "national networks"?

this mandate you seem to be suggesting will exist to dump Rush and put on lesbian Boulder dog tattoo hour is where on the most powerful AM radio voice in the region?

well that settles it. KOA will be broadcasting 24/7 Tejano music in months.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

I'd like to make you listen to WDFN (Detroit) 6 months ago, and then make you listen to it again yesterday. Then you could see how local programming can be destroyed not only by national syndication, but terrible national syndication. What are you going to do when any station you listen to now, gets "ClearChanneled"?

BTW, in the last month since the changeover was done without warning, WDFN's share went from being first in the talk radio market here to damn near being last.

I understand - Clear Channel has a nack of destroying a listener base. Same in Houston. Dropped a local comedian host - for a conservative former city councilman. The first host moved on to a CC radio station in Minneapolis and the Houston station ratings dropped. I don't get what CC is doing, much of it seems destructive. But I also rail against a legislative solution to national programming just because the people popular in that medium happen to be thorns in the side of the ruling party. You don't like, vote with the dial knob.

[CORNholio]

When all of the liberals/socialists finally get everything they want even they will regret it.

[TUSooner]

I admit total and astonishing ignorance of this whole issue. What is the proposed legislation?

[soonerhubs]

Right.

'Cause Rush would just quit broadcasting. The fact that he's syndicated wouldn't matter at all. He wouldn't go on Satellite radio and reach even MORE listeners or anything. He'd just quit.

Those dirty smart Libs. :rolleyes:

I agree. With the advent of more internet media, wireless availbility, etc, etc... if this legislation, which I think is wrong by the way, gets passed there will be little if any drop off in consumption of conservative talk radio.


I honestly get most of my listening from live streaming anyways, and something tells me there will be more available via direct avenues if the airwaves get hijacked by the government in an effort to be "fair".

The ironic part of this entire thing is that if conservative talk has an unfair advantage why would we be seeing a Democrat in the Oval Office and majorities in both houses? (I know, I know... 8 years of failed policy as King George takes responsibility for everything bad that happened then, including 9/11, and everything bad that happens for the next few years. Obviously it's ALL HIS FAULT! :rolleyes:)

This move seems rather unnecessary. I do think that government likes to undermine anything that criticizes it, but this seems rather blatant and political. Maybe I'm wrong.

[Scott D]

I understand - Clear Channel has a nack of destroying a listener base. Same in Houston. Dropped a local comedian host - for a conservative former city councilman. The first host moved on to a CC radio station in Minneapolis and the Houston station ratings dropped. I don't get what CC is doing, much of it seems destructive. But I also rail against a legislative solution to national programming just because the people popular in that medium happen to be thorns in the side of the ruling party. You don't like, vote with the dial knob.

I look at the issue as this. While so many harp about the fact that allegedly it could be the end of syndicated radio programs, I take a very different view. If anything, it can be viewed as an attempt to return more local control to the airwaves and theoretically an attempt to break a certain monopoly on radio control. Something that would be beneficial to everyone other than that monopolistic entity that has singlehandedly destroyed radio as a quality medium over the last decade.