Gregg tells Obama thanks but no thanks

[85Sooner]

Sen Gregg took a stand against the porkulus bill and withdrew his name from nomination of sec of Commerce. Guess he saw where the blame for this piece of **** legislations failure was going to be aimed. Congrats for having the balls.

[yermom]

we need a Sec'y of Commerce, stat

dammit :mad: :O

[NormanPride]

Get Dean to do it.

[soonerscuba]

I haven't heard the logic behind pulling the census out of DoC and into the Whitehouse, but it seems like a throw back to Tarquinian policy that worked out very, very badly.

[SoonerStormchaser]

:hmfic: is running for the wrong office!

[Okla-homey]

I haven't heard the logic behind pulling the census out of DoC and into the Whitehouse, but it seems like a throw back to Tarquinian policy that worked out very, very badly.

You can do a heap of reapportioning House seats if you control the census apparatus. 'Speshully if you ain't too picky about counting folks and/or worrying whether they are here legally or not.

<shudder>

I predict we haven't heard the last of that piccadilloe

[Vaevictis]

'Speshully if you ain't too picky about counting folks and/or worrying whether they are here legally or not.

Is there anything that requires -- or even permits -- the government to discriminate on account of the legality of their presence?

I think the second part of the 14th amendment is the relevant law, yes? I don't see anything that suggests that such discrimination is required or permitted.

[OklahomaTuba]

Da. Mostest. Competint. Adminishration. EVAR!


And as much as the porkulus pisses me off, this census thing scares me a whole lot more.

If they are allowed to politicize this, what's next, our tax records?? We already know they want our medical records.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

You can do a heap of reapportioning House seats if you control the census apparatus. 'Speshully if you ain't too picky about counting folks and/or worrying whether they are here legally or not.

<shudder>

I predict we haven't heard the last of that piccadilloe

You right about that. I've heard of gerrymandering from the state house, but from the White House? That's bold. Welcome to Amerika Komrad...Barry Oblahma the socialist strikes again!

[Okla-homey]

Is there anything that requires -- or even permits -- the government to discriminate on account of the legality of their presence?



Yes. National origin of citizens is a "protected class" as to discrimination claims. Futher, even illegals have all the same IV, V, and VI Amendment rights as you, but they may be denied certain government services, and you sure as heck don't have to let them vote.

[soonerscuba]

You right about that. I've heard of gerrymandering from the state house, but from the White House? That's bold. Welcome to Amerika Komrad...Barry Oblahma the socialist strikes again!The states are responsible for mapping districts, the White House won't do it. However, it will have control of the number of Congressmen a state has, it's a bad idea but not quite that naked of a play.

[Animal Mother]

Sen Gregg took a stand against the porkulus bill and withdrew his name from nomination of sec of Commerce. Guess he saw where the blame for this piece of **** legislations failure was going to be aimed. Congrats for having the balls.

How do you manage to cross the street without being run over by cars???

[TheHumanAlphabet]

The states are responsible for mapping districts, the White House won't do it. However, it will have control of the number of Congressmen a state has, it's a bad idea but not quite that naked of a play.

If you don't think Barry Oblahma and Rahm won't be mapping out the new districts and then presenting it to their dem friends, then you must be kidding. If you think the repubs were bad, Bush never got involved and everything the repubs did was state based. Oblahma and Rahm is all about developing/gerrymandering a perpetual demo congress and want to legislate the non-liberals out of existence. They want to make this congress permanent.

[soonerscuba]

If you don't think Barry Oblahma and Rahm won't be mapping out the new districts and then presenting it to their dem friends, then you must be kidding. If you think the repubs were bad, Bush never got involved and everything the repubs did was state based. Oblahma and Rahm is all about developing/gerrymandering a perpetual demo congress and want to legislate the non-liberals out of existence. They want to make this congress permanent.A) misspelling Obama's name is aggy. B) I remember hearing the exact same thing from opposition to DeLay's district plan. It's just speculation on your part that Obama is going engineer districts, a legit concern, but I seriously doubt he has the wherewithal to do it. I think a more plausible explanation is that demographics in this country are switching towards typically more Democratic leaning blocks (look at McCain and Obama's rallies, if I were a Republican I would aim to fix that in a hurry) and running the census out the Whitehouse is a chance to stack the deck for the size of Congress, not the mapping of districts (although, you're kidding yourself if Rove wasn't involved in the 2003 fun). Also, the goal of every Congress is to make itself permanent, it hasn't worked so far, I have no reason to believe it will now.

[Vaevictis]

Yes. National origin of citizens is a "protected class" as to discrimination claims. Futher, even illegals have all the same IV, V, and VI Amendment rights as you, but they may be denied certain government services, and you sure as heck don't have to let them vote.

Just for clarity's sake, I am going to ask my question again, as from your response I'm not certain you're answering the question I intended to ask. (This may be my not entirely understanding what you're saying.)

The 14th amendment states (in part):


Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed.

Now, the way that reads to me is that the only class of residents that are not counted for the purposes of apportionment of representatives is "Indians not taxed." IOW, it appears as if the government, in this specific instance, is not permitted to exclude anyone else for purposes of this counting.

If this is not the case, do you happen to know which part of the Constitution, case law, etc, states otherwise?