And so begins the US WAR ON COAL!

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

A proposed coal fired electric plant in South Dakota has been scrapped. Details: http://watthead.blogspot.com/2009/01/breaking-epa-halts-proposed-south.html

[JohnnyMack]

Pssst....it's 2009, not 1909.

Thanks.

[Condescending Sooner]

They will not be satisfied until we are all riding bicycles. They don't care what effect their decisions make on regular folks or domestic industry, as long as it is the "green" thing to do.

[JohnnyMack]

They will not be satisfied until we are all riding bicycles. They don't care what effect their decisions make on regular folks or domestic industry, as long as it is the "green" thing to do.

Or maybe driving this:

http://www.autospectator.com/cars/files/images/FCX-Clarity.jpg

[OklahomaTuba]

You do know that you have to burn coal to make that car run, right??

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Pssst....it's 2009, not 1909.

Thanks.You still gonna be singing the praises of socialism while standing in front of the abandoned mass transit station, selling Chinese pencils and Cuban-like cigars?haha

[OklahomaTuba]

No worries, The One has promised to have us off all hydrocarbons in 9.5 years.

So start buying your dilithium crystals NOW!

[JohnnyMack]

You do know that you have to burn coal to make that car run, right??

Paradigm shifts are hard. I get that.

[Pricetag]

They will not be satisfied until we are all riding bicycles. They don't care what effect their decisions make on regular folks or domestic industry, as long as it is the "green" thing to do.
The same type of thing can be said about the other side. They don't care what effect their decisions make on future folks, as long as it's the easy thing to do.

There has to be some middle ground.

[soonerhubs]

Or maybe driving this:

http://www.autospectator.com/cars/files/images/FCX-Clarity.jpg

You give me a sticker price under 13,000, and we'll talk. Also, would you mind asking the people to quit making those batteries because it's poisoning my world? :D

[Vaevictis]

There has to be some middle ground.

There is. The problem is that the squeaky wheel gets the grease, and the nutjobs on either side squeak (squawk!) loudest.

[OUDoc]

You do know that you have to burn coal to make that car run, right??

No. I'm still not sure that's the answer, but it doesn't necessarily take coal to make it run (other than the coal it takes to build the car).

http://www.prnewswire.com/mnr/lvvwd/27686/

[Vaevictis]

Eh, hydrogen fuel cells are just a way of storing energy.

You could make the car run by burning coal, but you could also make it run by nuclear power, solar power, geothermal power, hydroelectric, tidal, or good old natural gas. Basically, any mechanism we might have for making electricity can be used to power a hydrogen fuel cell.

In the United States, that often does mean coal. But that's because that's what we have in terms of infrastructure; that's not actually the way it has to be.

Which kind of wraps around to the original article. :)

[Vaevictis]

And personally, I don't much like hydrogen as a fuel. The energy density is crap, and storing it is difficult.

I'd much rather find a way to efficiently synthesize gasoline and diesel, and have technology that scrubs emissions clean.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

The same type of thing can be said about the other side. They don't care what effect their decisions make on future folks, as long as it's the easy thing to do.

There has to be some middle ground.haha, the obligatory moral equivance argument.

[TUSooner]

If the War on Coal is as effective as the War on Drugs, we'll soon be up to up eyes in coal.... and blood and corruption too! ;)

[FaninAma]

Do yourself( and me) a favor....invest in solar.

[soonerscuba]

haha, the obligatory moral equivance argument.Finding an equivalent to inane babble is hard, just sayin'.

[TUSooner]

You still gonna be singing the praises of socialism while standing in front of the abandoned mass transit station, selling Chinese pencils and Cuban-like cigars?haha

I finally figured it out (and it was always so obvious):
ANY public policy you don't like is "socialism."
It certainly does simplify the discussion!

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

I finally figured it out (and it was always so obvious):
ANY public policy you don't like is "socialism."
It certainly does simplify the discussion!The solutions for (haha)"global warming" are to grant the govt. more control over the economy. Maybe that's not socialism to you, but it quacks like a duck.

[OUDoc]

And personally, I don't much like hydrogen as a fuel. The energy density is crap, and storing it is difficult.

I'd much rather find a way to efficiently synthesize gasoline and diesel, and have technology that scrubs emissions clean.
Exactly. Someone has a working plant for making diesel from waste. I don't know how feasible it is, but it's a hell of an idea.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Exactly. Someone has a working plant for making diesel from waste. I don't know how feasible it is, but it's a hell of an idea.maybe make cars that run on sewer sludge?:eddie:

[OUDoc]

If you could make cars run on my waste, you'd be a wealthy man.

[Tulsa_Fireman]

My new Cummins turbodiesel runs on dookie.

I'm green! And smell like a fart!

[Scott D]

I'm waiting for the car that runs on Rush Limbaugh, that hot air ought to provide a great combustion system to achieve high speeds.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

If you could make cars run on my waste, you'd be a wealthy man.You're not gonna charge much for that "fuel", huh?

[Tulsa_Fireman]

Speaking of fuel, I gotta go "fill the tank".

[StoopTroup]

What would be really cool is that you could buy stock in some of these new Green Corporations knowing that soon your risk will pay off or take a nosedive because better technology came along. As things are now...you'd invest....the Management would then take all of the newly acquired capital and buy up some land in Mexico to make the products...give themselves bonuses for saving the Corporation so much money for outsourcing the labor and goods...then the product wouldn't sell because it sucked or didn't work and they would ask for Federal Assistance so they could invest in a New Manufacturing Plant in their District during reorganization.

[Condescending Sooner]

I have been to South Dakota several times. Air Pollution is NOT something they should be concerned about.