"The Sooners have never seen the speed of Florida!"

[8timechamps]

After hearing from most every Gator fan about how fast the Gators are, and how we haven’t seen this kind of speed all year, I decided to see just how accurate those statements were.

Turns out, not very.

I looked up both the Florida and Oklahoma depth charts (so if I missed someone on the Gators squad, by all means, please tell me).

I also checked Rivals.com for all the listed 40 yard dash speeds. Since none of us happen to have the 40 times for every athlete on the team, this is the closest thing to being accurate.

Now, before you start telling me that some players are faster now than when they were timed in high school, let me tell you my philosophy. Adrian Peterson ran a 4.4 40 when he was timed in high school. At the NFL combine, AD ran a 4.38. So, he gained .02 of a second. I think it’s fair to say the 40 times from high school are relatively close (since I used both teams 40 times from high school).

Here you go:

Florida


Tim Tebow QB 4.69
Jeffrey Demps RB 4.46
Kestahn Moore RB 4.41
Chris Rainey RB 4.42
Emmanuel Moody RB 4.44
Deonte Thompson WR 4.4
Louis Murphy WR 4.54
Percy Harvin WR 4.4
Aaron Hernadez TE 4.51


Jer. Cunningham DE 4.65
Carlos Dunlap DE 4.6
Terron Sanders DT 5.1
Brandon Antwine DT 4.81
A.J. Jones LB 4.61
Dustin Doe LB 4.55
Brandn Spikes LB 4.76
Janoris Jenkins CB 4.69
Joe Haden CB 4.46
Ahmad Black S 4.5
Major Wright S 4.5


Oklahoma


Sam Bradford QB 4.64
Chris Brown RB 4.46
Mossis Madu RB 4.48
Jua. Iglesias WR 4.5
Ryan Broyles WR 4.51
Manuel Johnson WR 4.5
Quentin Chaney WR 4.5
Jer. Gresham TE 4.6



Frank Alexander DE 4.7
Jeremy Beal DE 4.7
Gerald McCoy DT 4.9
Adrian Taylor DT/NG 4.79
Keenan Clayton SLB 4.5
Austin Box MLB 4.6
Travis Lewis WLB 4.34
Dom. Franks CB 4.44
Brian Jackson CB 4.5
Lendy Holmes S 4.4
Quinton Carter S 4.5
N. Harris S 4.5



Now, based on this, it’s almost dead even. Sure, Florida has the fastest WR on the field (Percy Harvin & Deonte Thompson), but Oklahoma has the fastest player on the field (Travis Lewis).

Sorry Gator fans, your “speed” argument is dead.

[Soonerus]

Thanks for the "truth" finally...

[tbl]

SEC! SEC! SEC!

[LitiG8R]

Sorry man gotta call BS Jeff Demps is a 4.24 40. Not even gonna waste time checking the others

[Soonerus]

Sorry man gotta call BS Jeff Demps is a 4.24 40. Not even gonna waste time checking the others

That is such B.S...

[Soonerfan88]

[hairGel] THAT'S NOT TRUE!!!!

[OKLA21FAN]

OU has not seen 'Florida speed' since 2000 :gary:

[oumartin]

nobody runs a 4.24 40.. nobody

[LitiG8R]

Nothing but facts my friends. Look it up. Id never steer you wrong

[JLEW1818]

Actually the gators run around 4.5 in the 40, and 3.8 in the 60....they get faster when they know there is more length........anybody know what they run a 100 yards in????? yikes!!

[Soonerus]

Nothing but facts my friends. Look it up. Id never steer you wrong

You probably have him at 6'4''(really 5'9") and 235 lbs (really 165 soaking wet)....

[LitiG8R]

:D Percy = 4.3 wow your article is way off. Throw this thread out!

[JLEW1818]

Sorry man gotta call BS Jeff Demps is a 4.24 40. Not even gonna waste time checking the others


so he will have like the fastest ever 40 time at the NFL Combine?

[Soonerus]

Good luck on January 8th , when you lose a tooth and on Christmas day...

[DenverSooner751]

Don't forget, Florida "laser times" their players in front of their fans.

Lord knows those numbers are accurate.

[LitiG8R]

so he will have like the fastest ever 40 time at the NFL Combine?

Not quite my friend. That would be a 4.12 by Bo Jackson.

[homerSimpsonsBrain]

Dont know how reliable this report is but they report him at 4.35....

http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/wr/Percy-Harvin.php

Dont know personally and more importantly, dont really care..

[JLEW1818]

Not quite my friend. That would be a 4.12 by Bo Jackson.

Then he will be the 8th fastest football player ever by an electronic system.

[delhalew]

Damn, I hope he's not lifting weights.

[DenverSooner751]

We're doomed!

[Soonerus]

This is laughable...

[Vaevictis]

Sorry man gotta call BS Jeff Demps is a 4.24 40. Not even gonna waste time checking the others

What kind of rig was it that did the timing on that run?

[Vaevictis]

:D Percy = 4.3 wow your article is way off. Throw this thread out!

Again, what kind of rig?

[Soonerfan88]

He specifically stated he was posting the times from Rivals.com - not like he pulled them out of the air. If you want to list times from a different source, that's fine. List the times you want to compare and provide a valid source.

[DenverSooner751]

What kind of rig was it that did the timing on that run?

It was a Nasa approved ion beam system, it can only be used to time the Gators as they are the only beings to ever exist that are fast enough to keep up with it's beam.

[Vaevictis]

The rig matters because if you use a runner-started electronically timed system, you shave the runner's reaction time off of the dash.

The reaction time for this has a lower bound of 100ms, with 150-200ms being more likely.

Add 100-200ms to the "omgzor, Florida's so fast" numbers you keep quoting, and hey, suddenly they turn into the numbers the original poster posted.

I wouldn't be surprised in the least if that's no coincidence.

[Yankeeracers]

This is so stupid. This is football not track. "Yellow Jacket, Green Jacket who gives a sh*t?"

[JLEW1818]

"Florida's so fast, they make fast people look.. not fast."

What movie...........????/ hehe

[Kimberlyz4OU]

Yeah well...........my Dad can beat up your Dad !!

Seriously let's play the game already

[DenverSooner751]

The rig matters because if you use a runner-started electronically timed system, you shave the runner's reaction time off of the dash.

The reaction time for this has a lower bound of 100ms, with 150-200ms being more likely.

Add 100-200ms to the "omgzor, Florida's so fast" numbers you keep quoting, and hey, suddenly they turn into the numbers the original poster posted.

I wouldn't be surprised in the least if that's no coincidence.

This would make sense. But, that uses logic......... that's a no no when speaking about Florida speed.

[Circle City Gator]

so he will have like the fastest ever 40 time at the NFL Combine?


Wouldn't surprise me, given that he has the fastest ever time for a high schooler in the 100s at the Olympic Trials.

[Soonerus]

Wouldn't surprise me, given that he has the fastest ever time for a high schooler in the 100s at the Olympic Trials.

Did you mean evar ???

[8timechamps]

This is so stupid. This is football not track. "Yellow Jacket, Green Jacket who gives a sh*t?"

So stupid that every high school senior that wants to sniff a football field at the next level has to be timed in the 40. Nevermind the combine...right?

:rolleyes:

[8timechamps]

I said the source was Rivals.com, if you want to find another "credible" source, go for it.

[8timechamps]

Sorry man gotta call BS Jeff Demps is a 4.24 40. Not even gonna waste time checking the others

See for yourself:
http://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=60634&sport=1

Of course, making stats up is much more fun.

[JLEW1818]

**** I bet even Urban Meyer is 4.5 ish

[Yankeeracers]

I guess I should rephrase my comment. I think the point of this post is to table the discussion of speed because both teams have it. Having said that to argue it is rather ridiculous. Both teams are fast and the fact that it's not a track meet on the 8th but a football game means you could run a 3.8 40 but unless you can tackle or other countless football things you are useless. Football speed and track speed are two different things.

[OUinFLA]

Im glad we're not discussing secks speed.

4.4 would be.......well, sometimes .....average.


I mean........well, not for me or anything.........
I hardly every participate anymore. I'm married.

[wpfox16]

Not that I think it really matters, as we're dealing with hundredths of a second, but Jeff Demps is ALWAYS the fastest man on the field. The dude ran a 10.02 100 meter in the Olympic Trials. That speed makes him the fastest high schooler ever timed. That time would have also put him in the top 8 at this year's Olympic games.


Here's a good NYT article on the dude
http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/25/meet-jeffrey-demps-the-fastest-man-in-football/

Again, I don't think that all of this means anything, as both teams are plenty fast.

[8timechamps]

Im glad we're not discussing secks speed.

4.4 would be.......well, sometimes .....average.


I mean........well, not for me or anything.........
I hardly every participate anymore. I'm married.

I can be done and asleep in under 4.4 seconds.

Um, I mean some people, not me.

[Soonerus]

I can be done and asleep in under 4.4 seconds.

Um, I mean some people, not me.

Of course Tebow would be 4.4 hours on that issue...

[OUstud]

Wow, didn't know Lewis ran a 4.3. Incredible.

[8timechamps]

Of course Tebow would be 4.4 hours on that issue...

...if he ever had any...


He's saving himself.

[OUinFLA]

Of course Tebow would be 4.4 hours on that issue...

er..... you're supposed to see a doctor for anything over 4 hours.....






yeah, like I ever needed that warning

[ouwasp]

see, the thing is, those Alligator times were taken relatively close to sea level. A Florida 4.4 is much faster than a Sooner 4.4....it just is. If they had been timed in the high, thin air of Oklahoma that would truly be a fair comparison. ;)

[Soonerus]

...if he ever had any...


He's saving himself.

No, like a Greek God he does it with both women and men...

[Iam4OUru]

KU's coach is a 4.5 guy and we hung 60 on them.....

[Sooner47]

Apparently Ole Miss wasn't too impressed with Florida's speed. :pop:

[Desert Sapper]

This just in...Florida doesn't run the triple option, so their three fastest doods aren't on the field at the same time...most of the time.

Speed is great, after getting past the D-Line and LBs.

Funny thing is, I've heard ZERO about the Defensive speed of the Gators....

[badger]

Let them claim speed. We'll claim something else that can't be taught:
SIZE.
http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/multimedia/photo_gallery/0710/nfl.top10.draft.prospects.offense/images/10.loadholt.jpg

Hard to run a 4.24 with 11 big d00ds in your way :D

[adoniijahsooner]

This just in...Florida doesn't run the triple option, so their three fastest doods aren't on the field at the same time...most of the time.

Speed is great, after getting past the D-Line and LBs.

Funny thing is, I've heard ZERO about the Defensive speed of the Gators....

Start this youtube video @ 2:50 and it will tell you all you need to know about the defensive speed of Florida. Elvis starts it off, but it is UF ole miss highlights


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbY6ecn6Gwo&feature=related

[Desert Sapper]

Start this youtube video @ 2:50 and it will tell you all you need to know about the defensive speed of Florida. Elvis starts it off, but it is UF ole miss highlights


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbY6ecn6Gwo&feature=related


Great video.

I wasn't talking about video evidence of UF speed. I was talking about Gatorfan claims to otherworldly speed on D. All I hear is blah blah Demps, blah blah Rainey, blah blah Harvin...track meets in high school...Olympic speed...

I think the only encouragement I can take from this is that Ole Miss executed solid blocking that opened up good run lanes against the Gators...good protection for Jevan Snead was possible (what a pass through 3 defenders)...Mississippi (the state), as always, produces some really fast players in the open field.

I would not anticipate pushing their front four around like that in the big game.

[boomermagic]

Not quite my friend. That would be a 4.12 by Bo Jackson.

OH, He must have played at Florida ? Ah No Darn it It was Auburn but that's in the sec..:D

[Jboozer]

Sorry man gotta call BS Jeff Demps is a 4.24 40. Not even gonna waste time checking the others

Actually its 4.36 at gatorcountry. Which is still not 4.34. Good try.

[boomermagic]

Apparently Ole Miss wasn't too impressed with Florida's speed. :pop:


True dat..:pop:

[swardboy]

Refreshing lack of gator response to this thread....let the truth sink in.

[cheezyq]

Sorry man gotta call BS Jeff Demps is a 4.24 40. Not even gonna waste time checking the others

Prove it. Do you realize that the FASTEST timed player in the HISTORY of the NFL is Chris Johnson at 4.28?

[Okie35]

Prove it. Do you realize that the FASTEST timed player in the HISTORY of the NFL is Chris Johnson at 4.28?

yea i was going to bring that up and also say who says demps even gets invited to the combine... hes still "young"

[tbl]

SEC! SEC! SEC!

[cheezyq]

Not quite my friend. That would be a 4.12 by Bo Jackson.

Sorry dude, that was never proven. That's just retroactive theory.

[SOFSooner]

How fast with all the pads and equipment on in a gameday situation?

[cheezyq]

How fast with all the pads and equipment on in a gameday situation?

Shoot, that doesn't matter, because in addition to running at warp speed, they can all bench about 8000 pounds.

[The Maestro]

World class speed, Mr. Demps. Had some good games, but...

vs. Vandy - 4 carries, 19 yards

vs. Georgia - 7 carries, 19 yards

vs. Miami - 3 carries, -1 yard.

Hopefully we can match those stalwart defenses...

[Desert Sapper]

I heard that Demps, Harvin, and Rainey beat out Nesta Carter, Michael Frater, Usain Bolt, and Asafa Powell a few days before the record setting 4X100. They only needed three guys to do it.

[Dan Thompson]

"The Sooners have never seen the speed of Florida". Dose that mean they are slow or does that mean their fast?

[SLOgator]

Assuming that your speed times are resonably correct, it can be assumed that our wr's and rb's are of similar speed (you will learn the truth soon enough). The big, and telling, disparity is that our 4.6, 4.7 de's will smoke your fat@ss ot's (ask Ohio State) and that our rb's and wr's will eat your lb's( or whatever you call them) alive in crossing and iso patterns.You may be stout in the middle, but your ends leave you exposed. You will score, we will score more. Final score UF 45 - OU 35...

[tulsaoilerfan]

Prove it. Do you realize that the FASTEST timed player in the HISTORY of the NFL is Chris Johnson at 4.28?

That dude can FLY

[RedstickSooner]

Not that I think it really matters, as we're dealing with hundredths of a second, but Jeff Demps is ALWAYS the fastest man on the field. The dude ran a 10.02 100 meter in the Olympic Trials. That speed makes him the fastest high schooler ever timed. That time would have also put him in the top 8 at this year's Olympic games.


Here's a good NYT article on the dude
http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/25/meet-jeffrey-demps-the-fastest-man-in-football/

Again, I don't think that all of this means anything, as both teams are plenty fast.

We need to lock you in a room with all the LSU fans that have been suffering the same verbal diarrhea man-love nonsense about whatever track star kid they have on their team that set all sorts of 100 yard dash records, and can make the earth spin backwards just by running around the equator while pissed off about a dead girlfriend.

It's cute that you read, and believe, your own press clippings. But if you'd like to be filled with giddy over-confidence, you should stick to the more rational source of such exuberance: Our defensive shortcomings this season.

I'm sorry, but it's time to quit beating around the bush here -- OU ain't slow. If you really, honestly think your team is so much faster than ours, you're just an effing retard.

I realize TV is confusing and dazzles you with all its slick graphics and suave talking heads, but this overpowering Florida team speed thing is part of the narrative. Not reality. OU has been fast every year since Stoops arrived, and if anything, we've allowed our speed to hurt us by over-pursuing and getting out of position.

You want slow, go watch the Big 10 lumber around the field. We're as fast as anyone.

[Soonerdude66]

Seriously guys, I heard Percy Harvin is so fast he can run around the world and punch himself in the back of the head.

[cvsooner]

Bob Hayes was the "fastest man alive" with the Cowboys 35 or so years ago. Didn't make him a great receiver in the clutch, neither.

All this talk about "they're so fast, you ain't never seen the likes of it" reminds me of Johnny Ringo and Doc Holliday in 'Tombstone.' We're all banged up, so I reckon we're Doc Holliday. I like our chances.

[CrimsonJim]

Speed
Exaggerated
Cult

[the_edge]

There's a reason why Usain Bolt will never play in the NFL.

[Curly Bill]

There's a reason why Usain Bolt will never play in the NFL.

He makes too much money running track?

[Wishboned]

The loud noises you hear in the Swamp isn't the crowd cheering, it's the Gators breaking the sound barrier over and over again.

[Crucifax Autumn]

I thought it was because of him being Jamaican...you know, with all the anti-ganja rules in the nfl

[tulsaoilerfan]

If speed was all it took, then how come the leading rusher and receiver in the history of the NFL probably ran about 4.6 in the 40? Somehow i bet there have been many players faster than those 2

[goingoneight]

I can't believe people haven't picked up on the "lidig8or" poster yet. :texan:

[VA Sooner]

I'm still amazed by Travis Lewis' reported 40 yard time... 4.34???

Not bad for a linebacker.

By the way... Brandon Spikes is an All-American linebacker with 87 tackles... Travis has 123 tackles... check my stats, I couldn't find the most up-to-date stats with the championship games.

We have another Curtis Lofton here... and he's a redshirt freshman.

[8timechamps]

Assuming that your speed times are resonably correct, it can be assumed that our wr's and rb's are of similar speed (you will learn the truth soon enough). The big, and telling, disparity is that our 4.6, 4.7 de's will smoke your fat@ss ot's (ask Ohio State) and that our rb's and wr's will eat your lb's( or whatever you call them) alive in crossing and iso patterns.You may be stout in the middle, but your ends leave you exposed. You will score, we will score more. Final score UF 45 - OU 35...

Well said. How in the world could our LB Travis Lewis keep up with any Gator (hint, check his 40 time).

You're clueless.

[8timechamps]

I'm still amazed by Travis Lewis' reported 40 yard time... 4.34???

Not bad for a linebacker.

By the way... Brandon Spikes is an All-American linebacker with 87 tackles... Travis has 123 tackles... check my stats, I couldn't find the most up-to-date stats with the championship games.

We have another Curtis Lofton here... and he's a redshirt freshman.

When I first saw his 40 time, I realized why he's so freking good (or at least a part of the reason). Anyway, I doubt we'll get to enjoy him for a full 4 years, so I hope he gets his national title before he gets paid.

[VA Sooner]

No doubt. Thanks for the update on the "speed of Oklahoma vs Florida". Really puts things in perspective.

Travis... he's the man!

[L-Boy]

This Rivals article quotes Harvin at 4.24

http://collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=626420

This scout profile from HS has Harvin at 4.35

http://florida.scout.com/a.z?s=168&p=8&c=1&nid=1707860

Wiki Answers 4.25 (who knows how reliable)

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Pecry_harvin_40-yard_dash

Wikipedia: 4.2 (again, not definitive source)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percy_Harvin

Orlando Sentinel: 4.34

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_college_uf/2008/08/how-gators-star.html




This NYTimes article says Demps ran a 4.31 as a H/S sophomore. As has been pointed out, with the fastest HS 100m time 10.01 - in history, its not a stretch at all to think he is 4.2-4.3 range. (note Bo Jackson ran 10.44 in 100m by comparison)

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/24/sports/football/24florida.html





Chris Rainey - Scout has at 4.37. I am seeing in multiple sources that he ran 4.27 and 4.24 before the spring game

http://florida.scout.com/a.z?s=168&p=8&c=1&nid=1778952

http://www.gatorcountry.com/football/article/rainey_rises_to_occasion_in_orange_and_blue/3598





As a basis of comparison, Andre Caldwell was listed by the following

Scout (HS): 4.39
Campus: 4.29
NFL combine: 4.37

http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=8&c=1&nid=225124

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/players/draft/407741

http://www.nfl.com/combine/top-performers?tabIndex=0



So make of it what you will. I think the 4.2/4.3 times are real, but the NFL combines seems to add a little less than a tenth of a second, so I would guess all 3 Harvin / Demps / and Rainey run somewhere in the low-mid 4.3 range in an NFL combine setting.

I kind of doubt that OU times are exactly like an NFL combine setting either, though.

The thread initiator does do a good job though of showing from a comparable source, coming into college, that there wasn't a huge difference in speed. Depending on what facts you use, you can skew this argument either way.

For the record, after an initial thread on this topic, it seems like the sooner fans are the ones who keep bringing this up.

[oumartin]

We'll see come Jan 8th.

[8timechamps]

I'm sure a couple of the Gators are faster than their rival.com times. Do you think that could be true with some Sooners too?

Nah, probably just the Gators.

[VA Sooner]

Everyone's times are off by the end of the season... everyone's nursing bum knees and high-ankle sprains.

[GottaHavePride]

Assuming that your speed times are resonably correct, it can be assumed that our wr's and rb's are of similar speed (you will learn the truth soon enough). The big, and telling, disparity is that our 4.6, 4.7 de's will smoke your fat@ss ot's (ask Ohio State) and that our rb's and wr's will eat your lb's( or whatever you call them) alive in crossing and iso patterns.You may be stout in the middle, but your ends leave you exposed. You will score, we will score more. Final score UF 45 - OU 35...


Hmmmm. Your DEs will smoke our OL? Let's look at this.

We're #4 in the country for sacks allowed, averaging 0.85 per game.

In number of sacks per game, Florida is #33, averaging 2.46 per game.
http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2008&div=B&rpt=IA_teamsacks&site=org

Now, of the teams ranked ahead of Florida on that list, we have faced numbers 1 (Texas), 2 (TCU), 9 (Cincinatti), 25 (Texas Tech), and 25 (Nebraska).

Oh, and did I mention that we're #3 on that list of most sack-happy teams in the country? In terms of sacks allowed, Florida is #19. And of the teams better than us at sacking the QB Florida has faced... NONE.

So maybe it's Florida who has never seen OU's speed? You did face Mississippi at #5 though. How did that one turn out?

And as another question, I have yet to meet a Florida fan who has been able to answer the question "So who are you going to use to cover Jermaine Gresham?"

[GottaHavePride]

I forgot:

I'm Rick James, bitch.

[Crucifax Autumn]

L-Boy...

Of the times you posted, the ones with any credibility state their speed at 4.37-4.39...the others may say faster, but they aren't anything near credible sources. Seems to me they're about the same speed as OUr fastest guys.

Now, if you want OUr guys to be faster I can go edit a Wiki as "fast" as the next guy.

[o0Dan0o]

I've never questioned Florida's speed, they are one of the fastest teams in college football. The thing is, so are the Sooners. I think on average the team speed is probably about equal, hell Bradford's 40 is only slightly slower than Tebow's.

In the end it's execution that matters the most, and I think that UF will have a harder time game planning for OU than visa versa.
Dan

[The Maestro]

Great quote by Stoops today in the Fort Worth Star Telegram about the speed issue.

He also answered speculation in other parts of the country that Oklahoma’s defense, which has always been stocked with players who can run, won’t be prepared for the speed of Florida’s offense.

"I know we’ve been called a lot of things," Stoops said. "Being slow wasn’t usually one of them."

[tator]

I've never questioned Florida's speed, they are one of the fastest teams in college football. The thing is, so are the Sooners. I think on average the team speed is probably about equal, hell Bradford's 40 is only slightly slower than Tebow's.

In the end it's execution that matters the most, and I think that UF will have a harder time game planning for OU than visa versa.
Dan

you mean faster. according to the stats posted.

[Circle City Gator]

After hearing from most every Gator fan about how fast the Gators are, and how we haven’t seen this kind of speed all year, I decided to see just how accurate those statements were.

Turns out, not very.

I looked up both the Florida and Oklahoma depth charts (so if I missed someone on the Gators squad, by all means, please tell me).

I also checked Rivals.com for all the listed 40 yard dash speeds. Since none of us happen to have the 40 times for every athlete on the team, this is the closest thing to being accurate.

Now, before you start telling me that some players are faster now than when they were timed in high school, let me tell you my philosophy. Adrian Peterson ran a 4.4 40 when he was timed in high school. At the NFL combine, AD ran a 4.38. So, he gained .02 of a second. I think it’s fair to say the 40 times from high school are relatively close (since I used both teams 40 times from high school).

Here you go:

Florida


Tim Tebow QB 4.69
Jeffrey Demps RB 4.46
Kestahn Moore RB 4.41
Chris Rainey RB 4.42
Emmanuel Moody RB 4.44
Deonte Thompson WR 4.4
Louis Murphy WR 4.54
Percy Harvin WR 4.4
Aaron Hernadez TE 4.51


Jer. Cunningham DE 4.65
Carlos Dunlap DE 4.6
Terron Sanders DT 5.1
Brandon Antwine DT 4.81
A.J. Jones LB 4.61
Dustin Doe LB 4.55
Brandn Spikes LB 4.76
Janoris Jenkins CB 4.69
Joe Haden CB 4.46
Ahmad Black S 4.5
Major Wright S 4.5


Oklahoma


Sam Bradford QB 4.64
Chris Brown RB 4.46
Mossis Madu RB 4.48
Jua. Iglesias WR 4.5
Ryan Broyles WR 4.51
Manuel Johnson WR 4.5
Quentin Chaney WR 4.5
Jer. Gresham TE 4.6



Frank Alexander DE 4.7
Jeremy Beal DE 4.7
Gerald McCoy DT 4.9
Adrian Taylor DT/NG 4.79
Keenan Clayton SLB 4.5
Austin Box MLB 4.6
Travis Lewis WLB 4.34
Dom. Franks CB 4.44
Brian Jackson CB 4.5
Lendy Holmes S 4.4
Quinton Carter S 4.5
N. Harris S 4.5



Now, based on this, it’s almost dead even. Sure, Florida has the fastest WR on the field (Percy Harvin & Deonte Thompson), but Oklahoma has the fastest player on the field (Travis Lewis).

Sorry Gator fans, your “speed” argument is dead.


The Rivals numbers are demonstrably wrong. Let me make this incredibly simple. Jeff Demps is the fastest kid EVER coming out of high school, and his 10.01 100 meters was measured on automatic electronic equipment at the United States Olympic Trials. Yet rivals says he runs a fairly average (for college RBs and WRs) 4.46. Do you really believe Travis Lewis is faster than Jeff Demps? Do you really believe he is faster than the FASTEST KID EVER coming out of high school? If you do, you are not to be taken seriously. If you do not, then you have to question the validity of the numbers you posted above.

[IronHorseSooner]

And as another question, I have yet to meet a Florida fan who has been able to answer the question "So who are you going to use to cover Jermaine Gresham?"

I've asked a number of them that question as well. I get blank stares or "who's he?" remarks. I also ask them how their talented, but young, DBs can cover three senior WRs. I get the same response. To their credit, most will tell you that if they don't get pressure on Sam, it will be a long day.

[Circle City Gator]

I've asked a number of them that question as well. I get blank stares or "who's he?" remarks. I also ask them how their talented, but young, DBs can cover three senior WRs. I get the same response. To their credit, most will tell you that if they don't get pressure on Sam, it will be a long day.

I've seen it answered here before. If Florida goes to a nickel, it will be a safety. If not, then a linebacker will have the role, except when we disguise a safety or LB blitz and put a DE in man coverage against the TE. Ryan Stamper and Dustin Doe are both very fast athletic OLBs, and I don't think there is any question about Spikes' skills in the middle. That said, Gresham is a real threat and a real problem, if Florida can't get near Bradford.

[BigRedJed]

Like I have said before, these arguments sound eerily like the taunts that FSU fans were hurling in south Florida during the week I spent there leading up to the 2000 BCS championship game. I even chatted with a Gator fan in a Fort Lauderdale bar who said something along the lines of "well, I'd really like for you guys to beat them, but I just don't think your guys are ready for the speed they have."

Then a bunch of no-name guys who had seven wins the year before showed up and shoved Weinke and co.'s faces into a steaming pile if beatdown.

It just shows that there's still a game to be played, and 40 times, Rivals rankings and all of that other stuff sometimes means jack****. But, for what it's worth, OU isn't flying down there with a bunch of no-names this time, despite what Gator fans seem to think.

[cheezyq]

The Rivals numbers are demonstrably wrong. Let me make this incredibly simple. Jeff Demps is the fastest kid EVER coming out of high school, and his 10.01 100 meters was measured on automatic electronic equipment at the United States Olympic Trials. Yet rivals says he runs a fairly average (for college RBs and WRs) 4.46. Do you really believe Travis Lewis is faster than Jeff Demps? Do you really believe he is faster than the FASTEST KID EVER coming out of high school? If you do, you are not to be taken seriously. If you do not, then you have to question the validity of the numbers you posted above.

#1 - 40 yard times and 100 meter times are OBVIOUSLY different. Perhaps Demps gets faster the longer the run. Just because he ran a 10.01 doesn't mean he would run a 3.8 40. If you do the math incorrectly, that's probably what you Gator fans think he would run. And before you say "yards are shorter than meters", I will tell you this: it's simple, when you start from zero, it takes time to build up that speed. By the time you get to 40 meters you've probably reached full speed. But all that time before then was spend building up to that speed. Man, you guys are incredibly stupid.

#2 - So you think all the numbers are wrong in your favor. That's absurd. Why would Rivals slow down all the numbers for Gators recruits, and falsely speed up the numbers for Sooners recruits? Look, I have no doubt some of those speed numbers are guesses. I have NO doubt that some of those players are faster now than they were in High School. But I also have no doubt that some of those players who have gotten faster are ALSO Sooners.

How about this, let's see if you can call a truce after suffering this onslaught of logic and statistics. Say this for me, CCG, because I know that I can: "The Florida Gators are fast. They also might have the fastest player on the field. But, the Oklahoma Sooners are, as a team, just as fast as the Florida Gators." Can you bring yourself to admit that CCG?

[Mark_in_Tulsa]

#1 - 40 yard times and 100 meter times are OBVIOUSLY different. Perhaps Demps gets faster the longer the run. Just because he ran a 10.01 doesn't mean he would run a 3.8 40. If you do the math incorrectly, that's probably what you Gator fans think he would run. And before you say "yards are shorter than meters", I will tell you this: it's simple, when you start from zero, it takes time to build up that speed. By the time you get to 40 meters you've probably reached full speed. But all that time before then was spend building up to that speed. Man, you guys are incredibly stupid.

#2 - So you think all the numbers are wrong in your favor. That's absurd. Why would Rivals slow down all the numbers for Gators recruits, and falsely speed up the numbers for Sooners recruits? Look, I have no doubt some of those speed numbers are guesses. I have NO doubt that some of those players are faster now than they were in High School. But I also have no doubt that some of those players who have gotten faster are ALSO Sooners.

How about this, let's see if you can call a truce after suffering this onslaught of logic and statistics. Say this for me, CCG, because I know that I can: "The Florida Gators are fast. They also might have the fastest player on the field. But, the Oklahoma Sooners are, as a team, just as fast as the Florida Gators." Can you bring yourself to admit that CCG?

Also aren't 40 times recorded on grass/turf, while 100M is going to be on a track?

[Circle City Gator]

#1 - 40 yard times and 100 meter times are OBVIOUSLY different. Perhaps Demps gets faster the longer the run. Just because he ran a 10.01 doesn't mean he would run a 3.8 40. If you do the math incorrectly, that's probably what you Gator fans think he would run. And before you say "yards are shorter than meters", I will tell you this: it's simple, when you start from zero, it takes time to build up that speed. By the time you get to 40 meters you've probably reached full speed. But all that time before then was spend building up to that speed. Man, you guys are incredibly stupid.

#2 - So you think all the numbers are wrong in your favor. That's absurd. Why would Rivals slow down all the numbers for Gators recruits, and falsely speed up the numbers for Sooners recruits? Look, I have no doubt some of those speed numbers are guesses. I have NO doubt that some of those players are faster now than they were in High School. But I also have no doubt that some of those players who have gotten faster are ALSO Sooners.

How about this, let's see if you can call a truce after suffering this onslaught of logic and statistics. Say this for me, CCG, because I know that I can: "The Florida Gators are fast. They also might have the fastest player on the field. But, the Oklahoma Sooners are, as a team, just as fast as the Florida Gators." Can you bring yourself to admit that CCG?

No, because I do not believe it to be true. L-boys post below, of other reported times INCLUDING Rivals times not included by OU fans, tell an entirely different story.

[adoniijahsooner]

The Rivals numbers are demonstrably wrong. Let me make this incredibly simple. Jeff Demps is the fastest kid EVER coming out of high school, and his 10.01 100 meters was measured on automatic electronic equipment at the United States Olympic Trials. Yet rivals says he runs a fairly average (for college RBs and WRs) 4.46. Do you really believe Travis Lewis is faster than Jeff Demps? Do you really believe he is faster than the FASTEST KID EVER coming out of high school? If you do, you are not to be taken seriously. If you do not, then you have to question the validity of the numbers you posted above.

Ole circlecitygator getting the facts wrong again. I copied this off of yahoo answers, because I do not have the energy to educate the gators on the way of speed. Usain Bolt ran a 9.69 100m dash, which makes Demps 10.01 seem very unimpressive, but read this excerpt to grasp what we are trying to tell you in regards to speed.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=582


All of the people who are saying that Usain Bolt would run under 4 seconds in the 40 yard dash are incorrect. You can't simply convert from meters to yards and divide by time. It doesn't work that way.

Sprinters start at a speed of 0 and generally accelerate for the first 50 meters and then start to slowly decelerate during the last 30-40 meters.

A more accurate way to estimate Bolt's 40 yard dash time would be to use the 60 meter dash world record as a bench mark. The 60m WR is 6.39 seconds by Maurice Green. Bolt really started pulling away from the field around the 40-50 meter mark, so I would guess Bolt's 60m split would be about 6.35 seconds.

This means that Bolt ran the last 40 meters in 3.34 seconds or 0.0835 seconds per meter. If we assume his speed over the last 40 meters was the same as his speed between 40 yards (36.576m) and 60 meters, than his 40 yard dash time would be......drumroll please.....4.394 seconds.

Surprised?

You really shouldn't be if you know anything about track and field. There is a 0.1 or 0.2 second reaction time between the sound of the gun and when the sprinters start running. This same reaction time works the opposite way for 40 yard dash times because coaches start the stop watch on the movement of the runners. Therefore the stopwatch starts 0.1 - 0.2 seconds after the runner goes.

So this means that when you hear a player at the NFL combine ran the 40 yard dash in 4.30 seconds, if he were running on a track with a starting gun, he would really have run between 4.50 and 4.70.

Therefore if you account for the reaction times, if Usain Bolt were to run the same 4.394 second 40 yard dash at the NFL combine, they would likely clock him at somewhere between 4.00 and 4.20 seconds.

[adoniijahsooner]

No, because I do not believe it to be true. L-boys post below, of other reported times INCLUDING Rivals times not included by OU fans, tell an entirely different story.

This statement reeks of desperation and a unwillingness to grasp the truth. let go of the "herd instinct", and to actually think for yourself.

[cheezyq]

No, because I do not believe it to be true. L-boys post below, of other reported times INCLUDING Rivals times not included by OU fans, tell an entirely different story.

So the Gator fans tell a different story than the facts and you opt to go with...the Gator fans.

L-Boy ONLY posted Gator times that potentially had increased. Are you saying that ONLY the Gators have gotten faster since high school?

This is truly impressive. I've never encountered a more delusional group of fans than Gator fans. Hell, UT and oSu fans come around here all the time. But when you post facts, they shut up and leave when they know that they're wrong. You Gator fans are hilarious. Despite the continuous flood of facts, statistics, articles from reliable sources, and basic logic and reason being thrown at you from EVERY angle...you stubbornly refuse to accept it.

And it's not as if you would be accepting defeat, either! All we're trying to point out is that OU isn't just some other school with a bunch of rednecks pushing tractors around the field. All we're asking you to do is to face facts and realize that OU DOES have a team capable of competing with FU on speed.

Yet your arrogance knows no bounds. You can't even bring yourself to admit that OU is in the same class as FU. I feel truly sorry for you, should OU win on Jan. 8th and demonstrate their proven speed. I can only imagine that your entire world that you've build up for yourself will come crashing down and you would then enter a deep depression because your fragile psyche couldn't handle reality.

I'll tell you this, CCG. FU might win. And if they do, I'll congratulate you. But I'll also guarantee you one thing. If FU wins, there is no way in hell it would be because they have more speed than OU. It will be because they executed, it's that simple. See, that's the difference between you and me, CCG. I have the ability to separate my identity from my team's hype and figure out the true reasons why teams win football games.

Please, for your own sake, quit embarrassing yourself and stop all this talk about FU speed.

[adoniijahsooner]

Cheezyq, it seems that we have run the gators off with bare knuckled logic. Beat them about the head we did. Circlecity, ollyollyoxenfree.

[cheezyq]

What we need, adonijahsooner, is a separate forum for Oklahoma Track and Field. That way these arguments about speed can go where they belong and we can get back to talking about football in the FOOTBALL forum.

:)

[L-Boy]

Ole circlecitygator getting the facts wrong again. I copied this off of yahoo answers, because I do not have the energy to educate the gators on the way of speed. Usain Bolt ran a 9.69 100m dash, which makes Demps 10.01 seem very unimpressive, but read this excerpt to grasp what we are trying to tell you in regards to speed.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=582

I can't believe you linked this blog post as a source. Did you at least catch his first sentence?


Let me preface this by saying that almost every single word of what I’m about to write could potentially be incorrect. I don’t really know what I’m talking about. Possibly the most reliable source I’ve used here is Wikipedia, if that tells you anything.

So at least give him some credit, he is aware he may just not know what the hell he is talking about, unlike some around here.

1. Usain Bolt, as the fastest man ever, would easily best a 4.39. Now it can be argued that he may not be the fastest ever in the 40, because he is very tall and has a long stride, so he probably gets most of his speed in the 2nd half of the 100.

2. Jeff Demps is a fairly small guy. Smaller sprinters typically get going a little faster.

3. Comparing Demps 100m time to Bolt is idiotic. Bolt blew away the world record. And Demps ran his time in high school, and is the fastest ever OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL. Nobody is trying to compare Demps to Bolt.

Now whether Demps would run a 4.25 or a 4.35 in an NFL combine setting is difficult to determine. But I guaran-damn-tee you he doesn't run a 4.46. That is just absurd.

[Circle City Gator]

I can't believe you linked this blog post as a source. Did you at least catch his first sentence?



So at least give him some credit, he is aware he may just not know what the hell he is talking about, unlike some around here.

1. Usain Bolt, as the fastest man ever, would easily best a 4.39. Now it can be argued that he may not be the fastest ever in the 40, because he is very tall and has a long stride, so he probably gets most of his speed in the 2nd half of the 100.

2. Jeff Demps is a fairly small guy. Smaller sprinters typically get going a little faster.

3. Comparing Demps 100m time to Bolt is idiotic. Bolt blew away the world record. And Demps ran his time in high school, and is the fastest ever OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL. Nobody is trying to compare Demps to Bolt.

Now whether Demps would run a 4.25 or a 4.35 in an NFL combine setting is difficult to determine. But I guaran-damn-tee you he doesn't run a 4.46. That is just absurd.

Why even bother, L-Boy? Now they're down to begging us to agree with them. Talk about pitiful.

[L-Boy]

So the Gator fans tell a different story than the facts and you opt to go with...the Gator fans.

L-Boy ONLY posted Gator times that potentially had increased. Are you saying that ONLY the Gators have gotten faster since high school?

This is truly impressive. I've never encountered a more delusional group of fans than Gator fans. Hell, UT and oSu fans come around here all the time. But when you post facts, they shut up and leave when they know that they're wrong. You Gator fans are hilarious. Despite the continuous flood of facts, statistics, articles from reliable sources, and basic logic and reason being thrown at you from EVERY angle...you stubbornly refuse to accept it.

And it's not as if you would be accepting defeat, either! All we're trying to point out is that OU isn't just some other school with a bunch of rednecks pushing tractors around the field. All we're asking you to do is to face facts and realize that OU DOES have a team capable of competing with FU on speed.

Yet your arrogance knows no bounds. You can't even bring yourself to admit that OU is in the same class as FU. I feel truly sorry for you, should OU win on Jan. 8th and demonstrate their proven speed. I can only imagine that your entire world that you've build up for yourself will come crashing down and you would then enter a deep depression because your fragile psyche couldn't handle reality.

I'll tell you this, CCG. FU might win. And if they do, I'll congratulate you. But I'll also guarantee you one thing. If FU wins, there is no way in hell it would be because they have more speed than OU. It will be because they executed, it's that simple. See, that's the difference between you and me, CCG. I have the ability to separate my identity from my team's hype and figure out the true reasons why teams win football games.

Please, for your own sake, quit embarrassing yourself and stop all this talk about FU speed.

If OU players have gotten faster since high school, why isn't any evidence of that posted?

The OU media guide would have no reason downplay players accomplishments.

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/okla/sports/m-footbl/auto_pdf/20081219_bowl_guide03.pdf

They list Demarco Murray as the "team best" at 4.42, although earlier they say Travis Best, a LB runs a 4.34. After that the next fastest time was about 4.47 I think. Make of that what you will. I saw some oogling in this or another thread about the Travis Best time - so you are will to accept that as valid, a 4.34 time run by a linebacker, but dismiss the possibility that fastest 100m HS athlete in history runs 4.3 or faster? You guys are just delusional.

Others here dismiss all other sources that have anything other than UF athletes running a 4.4. Does that sound like objective reasoning?

If OU had comparable speed to UF, I would think somebody could demonstrate that. The initial post was an interesting attempt to do that, but there is too much information now available to show that a half dozen UF athletes are substantially faster than that. Now will they replicate those times in an NFL combine setting - maybe, maybe not quite, but that is not relevant here - we are comparing OU speed to UF speed. From what I see it is doubtful that any OU player would post a sub 4.4 time at an NFL combine, and very few sub 4.5. I am quite confident that probably a half dozen UF players would post sub 4.4 times in such a setting.

[gatorCHOMP]

OU has not seen 'Florida speed' since 2004 :gary:


oh, sooners of selective memory loss. You gotta love em.

Here, fixed that for you.

Yeah, remember that trip to miami?

[cheezyq]

If OU players have gotten faster since high school, why isn't any evidence of that posted?

The OU media guide would have no reason downplay players accomplishments.

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/okla/sports/m-footbl/auto_pdf/20081219_bowl_guide03.pdf

They list Demarco Murray as the "team best" at 4.42, although earlier they say Travis Best, a LB runs a 4.34. After that the next fastest time was about 4.47 I think. Make of that what you will. I saw some oogling in this or another thread about the Travis Best time - so you are will to accept that as valid, a 4.34 time run by a linebacker, but dismiss the possibility that fastest 100m HS athlete in history runs 4.3 or faster? You guys are just delusional.

Others here dismiss all other sources that have anything other than UF athletes running a 4.4. Does that sound like objective reasoning?

If OU had comparable speed to UF, I would think somebody could demonstrate that. The initial post was an interesting attempt to do that, but there is too much information now available to show that a half dozen UF athletes are substantially faster than that. Now will they replicate those times in an NFL combine setting - maybe, maybe not quite, but that is not relevant here - we are comparing OU speed to UF speed. From what I see it is doubtful that any OU player would post a sub 4.4 time at an NFL combine, and very few sub 4.5. I am quite confident that probably a half dozen UF players would post sub 4.4 times in such a setting.

What we have here is a clear lack of comprehension. Not a single pro-Sooner poster here has said that Florida is slow. We all agree, you've got some good and fast athletes. We all agree that Demps and Harvin are damn fast.

The purpose of this thread is not to prove that FU is slow, or that OU is faster than FU. The purpose of this thread was to show you arrogant, fact-hating, morons that OU is just as fast as FU.

But hey, go ahead and ignore the facts. You've done a great job of that so far. By all means, pound your fists and scream at the top of your lungs how super-fast your players are, how they would all beat us handily in a track meet, and that you'll win the game because you're so blazing fast. And when OU holds up the crystal ball on the evening of January 8th, you'll have the consolation that at least you might be able to beat us in a foot race.

:rolleyes:

Oh, and to CCG, we couldn't care less about convincing you that we're right. We've just laid out the facts for you. Right now we're all laughing at you, making fun of you for your outlandish, baseless claims of supersonic superiority, confidently spitting in the face of reality. It's just funny. Confusing, but funny.

[L-Boy]

oh, sooners of selective memory loss. You gotta love em.

Here, fixed that for you.

Yeah, remember that trip to miami?

I think a few things stick in my mind:

1. 2 years ago, Ohio State fans were flaunting their clearly superior offensive states and scores to us. Look how that turned out.

2. In 2004, as you mention, a pretty productive OU team went to BCS championship and got slaughtered.

3. In 2003, OU averaged 48 pts a game their first 12 games, before getting punked by K St. and manhandled by LSU in the BCS championship (an LSU team that Zook lead UF easily beat that year, mind you).

So OU has a history of looking great offensively in the regular season and stinking it up in the championship. I think this OU team is better than either of those 2 OU teams, and is better than Ohio St 2 years ago. However, overall, I think this years Gator team is better than 2 years ago. So on balance, it is difficult to tell, but this history leads me to take some of OU's scoring and stats with a grain of salt, and also question the athleticism of some of their players when matched up to top quality opponents. Their one opportunity to do that this year with top athletes lined up on both sides of the ball was TX, and OU failed there also.

[cheezyq]

If OU had comparable speed to UF, I would think somebody could demonstrate that. The initial post was an interesting attempt to do that, but there is too much information now available to show that a half dozen UF athletes are substantially faster than that. Now will they replicate those times in an NFL combine setting - maybe, maybe not quite, but that is not relevant here - we are comparing OU speed to UF speed. From what I see it is doubtful that any OU player would post a sub 4.4 time at an NFL combine, and very few sub 4.5. I am quite confident that probably a half dozen UF players would post sub 4.4 times in such a setting.

Here's the problem with this part of your post. Your entire fanbase is obsessed with track speed. Most of the "information" you posted was from blogs and other non-reliable sources who have no contact with FU or the athletic department. Those sources are all based on conjecture. No one has, since these athletes moved from high school to college, ever put them in a position to be officially timed. As we've said, sure those guys COULD be faster. But you know what, several Sooners could be faster, too.

Sooner fans, however, already know that we're fast, we're just not obsessed with it. We know that when you're talking about a tenth of a second when it comes to speed in FOOTBALL that if you get enough players in that 4.4 and 4.5 range that can EXECUTE, no one gives a rats behind that you don't have the high school track star who could run a 4.3.

[L-Boy]

What we have here is a clear lack of comprehension. Not a single pro-Sooner poster here has said that Florida is slow. We all agree, you've got some good and fast athletes. We all agree that Demps and Harvin are damn fast.

The purpose of this thread is not to prove that FU is slow, or that OU is faster than FU. The purpose of this thread was to show you arrogant, fact-hating, morons that OU is just as fast as FU.

But hey, go ahead and ignore the facts. You've done a great job of that so far. By all means, pound your fists and scream at the top of your lungs how super-fast your players are, how they would all beat us handily in a track meet, and that you'll win the game because you're so blazing fast. And when OU holds up the crystal ball on the evening of January 8th, you'll have the consolation that at least you might be able to beat us in a foot race.

:rolleyes:

Oh, and to CCG, we couldn't care less about convincing you that we're right. We've just laid out the facts for you. Right now we're all laughing at you, making fun of you for your outlandish, baseless claims of supersonic superiority, confidently spitting in the face of reality. It's just funny. Confusing, but funny.

As usual, you blather on for 4 paragraphs, but offer nothing but chest thumping and no substantive arguments.


The purpose of this thread is not to prove that FU is slow, or that OU is faster than FU. The purpose of this thread was to show you arrogant, fact-hating, morons that OU is just as fast as FU.

Yeah, we get that, and we disagree. I think there is substantial evidence that UF has at least 6 guys that are faster than your fastest guy. If you don't want to believe, then that is fine, ignore it.

[cheezyq]

I think a few things stick in my mind:

1. 2 years ago, Ohio State fans were flaunting their clearly superior offensive states and scores to us. Look how that turned out.

OSU ppg average in 2006 - 34.6
OU ppg average in 2008 - 54.9

Not. Even. Close


2. In 2004, as you mention, a pretty productive OU team went to BCS championship and got slaughtered.

Unlike FU fans...no excuses here. We ran into a great team and clearly weren't prepared. But this game had nothing to do with speed...only poor execution.


3. In 2003, OU averaged 48 pts a game their first 12 games, before getting punked by K St. and manhandled by LSU in the BCS championship (an LSU team that Zook lead UF easily beat that year, mind you).

Manhandled. I love that. :rolleyes:

Yeah, we lost to KSU. We lost our defensive coordinator the week before and clearly weren't prepared. What stands out about that season with Chuck Long as our OC is that we rarely ran the ball under center. That was partly because we couldn't, as Jason White was a gimp with 2 major knee surgeries. He was a great passer and a great leader, but he had his clear limitations.

But, this game had NOTHING to do with speed....and we weren't manhandled. Go look at the play-by-play for that game. OU was in the redzone with 2 minutes left and a dropped pass that was right in the receiver's hands on a 4th down kept OU from tying the game and sending it to OT. Far from being manhandled.


So OU has a history of looking great offensively in the regular season and stinking it up in the championship. I think this OU team is better than either of those 2 OU teams, and is better than Ohio St 2 years ago. However, overall, I think this years Gator team is better than 2 years ago. So on balance, it is difficult to tell, but this history leads me to take some of OU's scoring and stats with a grain of salt, and also question the athleticism of some of their players when matched up to top quality opponents. Their one opportunity to do that this year with top athletes lined up on both sides of the ball was TX, and OU failed there also.

Ok, so FU was in the 2006/7 championship game. Name some of the other opportunities you've had to win the BCS championship or win a BCS game this millenium. This is OU's 4th opportunity at a championship, and 7th opportunity at a BCS win. This will be FU's 2nd and 4th opportunities, respectively. You're 1-0 in BCS championship opportunities...but so was OU at one time.

When you put yourself agains the best teams every year, you have a greater chance at losing. That's pretty simple.

[SoonerBoognish]

Nah, we're the only team that will ever get a nice big **** sandwich surprise. Doomed.

[IronSoonerMan]

I think a few things stick in my mind:

Their one opportunity to do that this year with top athletes lined up on both sides of the ball was TX, and OU failed there also.

So how did the Rebs match up with all of Your team speed?

[Jmorales22]

I just can't figure out how those slow Michigan players did it last year. Must've cheated...

[GottaHavePride]

I've seen it answered here before. If Florida goes to a nickel, it will be a safety. If not, then a linebacker will have the role, except when we disguise a safety or LB blitz and put a DE in man coverage against the TE. Ryan Stamper and Dustin Doe are both very fast athletic OLBs, and I don't think there is any question about Spikes' skills in the middle. That said, Gresham is a real threat and a real problem, if Florida can't get near Bradford.

Heh. Agreed. Gresham is big - if you go single-coverage on him with a safety, they're going to have a problem bringing him down. And a DE isn't going to be able to keep up with him.

Put a linebacker on him, and they might be able to tackle him one on one, but Gresham is tall - he's going to make the catch. And according to those much debated Rivals times, he's faster than your linebackers except for Doe, so look out if he gets behind them.

[P3 Gator]

Heh. Agreed. Gresham is big - if you go single-coverage on him with a safety, they're going to have a problem bringing him down. And a DE isn't going to be able to keep up with him.

Put a linebacker on him, and they might be able to tackle him one on one, but Gresham is tall - he's going to make the catch. And according to those much debated Rivals times, he's faster than your linebackers except for Doe, so look out if he gets behind them.

Will Hill comes in in nickle situations. He's a freshman, but a big, fast, talented one.

Will Hill (http://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=55566)

[adoniijahsooner]

I can't believe you linked this blog post as a source. Did you at least catch his first sentence?



So at least give him some credit, he is aware he may just not know what the hell he is talking about, unlike some around here.

1. Usain Bolt, as the fastest man ever, would easily best a 4.39. Now it can be argued that he may not be the fastest ever in the 40, because he is very tall and has a long stride, so he probably gets most of his speed in the 2nd half of the 100.

2. Jeff Demps is a fairly small guy. Smaller sprinters typically get going a little faster.

3. Comparing Demps 100m time to Bolt is idiotic. Bolt blew away the world record. And Demps ran his time in high school, and is the fastest ever OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL. Nobody is trying to compare Demps to Bolt.

Now whether Demps would run a 4.25 or a 4.35 in an NFL combine setting is difficult to determine. But I guaran-damn-tee you he doesn't run a 4.46. That is just absurd.

I can give you 50 sources that show 100m times rarely have anything to do with the 40. Bolt took a while to get going, but no one was out ahead of him at the 40 yard point in the race, and that was the key to what I was trying to say.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qslbf8L9nl0

[tulsaoilerfan]

Will Hill comes in in nickle situations. He's a freshman, but a big, fast, talented one.

Will Hill (http://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=55566)

Good god, can you guys just disappear please? WE KNOW U HAVE FAST PLAYERS!And BTW, the linebacker we have is Travis LEWIS, not Travis BEST

[L-Boy]

OSU ppg average in 2006 - 34.6
OU ppg average in 2008 - 54.9

Not. Even. Close



Unlike FU fans...no excuses here. We ran into a great team and clearly weren't prepared. But this game had nothing to do with speed...only poor execution.



Manhandled. I love that. :rolleyes:

Yeah, we lost to KSU. We lost our defensive coordinator the week before and clearly weren't prepared. What stands out about that season with Chuck Long as our OC is that we rarely ran the ball under center. That was partly because we couldn't, as Jason White was a gimp with 2 major knee surgeries. He was a great passer and a great leader, but he had his clear limitations.

But, this game had NOTHING to do with speed....and we weren't manhandled. Go look at the play-by-play for that game. OU was in the redzone with 2 minutes left and a dropped pass that was right in the receiver's hands on a 4th down kept OU from tying the game and sending it to OT. Far from being manhandled.



Ok, so FU was in the 2006/7 championship game. Name some of the other opportunities you've had to win the BCS championship or win a BCS game this millenium. This is OU's 4th opportunity at a championship, and 7th opportunity at a BCS win. This will be FU's 2nd and 4th opportunities, respectively. You're 1-0 in BCS championship opportunities...but so was OU at one time.

When you put yourself agains the best teams every year, you have a greater chance at losing. That's pretty simple.

In the other thread, it is offered up from you guys that margin of victory is irrelevant, but now you offer up OK's 54 ppg game as evidence of superiority. Again, how are offensive stats and offensive ppg relevant, but margin of victory (where UF exceeds OU) not relevant?

Second, you start off with "no excuses here" then give about 5 paragraphs of excuses about why you stunk up those 3 particular games, not to mention the loss to Boise St a couple of years ago.

My whole point is that oftentimes OU has been overrated, mainly due to its offensive production. I offer up those 2 MNC losses and the Boise St loss as evidence.

To anothers point about our loss to ole miss, yes we lost to them. However, I have not see anybody make the argument that Ole miss is a better team than UF, so I offer up, so what?? We lost to Auburn in 2006 and won the whole ball of was. If we play like we did against Ole Miss, we lose, no debate necessary.

Finally, about the Michigan loss last year - that was all inexperienced and poorly executed defense. We got up against a bunch of Michigan seniors and an outgoing coach and uncharacteristically got schooled. On balance, Urban Meyer's bowl record is pretty damn good.

[P3 Gator]

Good god, can you guys just disappear please? And BTW, the linebacker we have is Travis LEWIS, not Travis BEST

I think it makes things more interesting to know about the guys on the field, both the good guys and the OU guys.

[IronSoonerMan]

I think it makes things more interesting to know about the guys on the field, both the good guys and the OU guys.

Youre right. We do enjoy knowing the names of the next notch on OUr belt!:D All kidding aside it does pass the time until the real thing!

[L-Boy]

I can give you 50 sources that show 100m times rarely have anything to do with the 40. Bolt took a while to get going, but no one was out ahead of him at the 40 yard point in the race, and that was the key to what I was trying to say.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qslbf8L9nl0


You can give me 50 sources, so the one you choose out of 50 is a random guy, posting on a blog, that start's out saying he may not know what the hell he is talking about. So I guess you are saying the fastest man alive is slower in the 40 than a OU linebacker?? That is just choice. Gotta love you guys.

[adoniijahsooner]

You can give me 50 sources, so the one you choose out of 50 is a random guy, posting on a blog, that start's out saying he may not know what the hell he is talking about. So I guess you are saying the fastest man alive is slower in the 40 than a OU linebacker?? That is just choice. Gotta love you guys.

Hehe:P

[IronSoonerMan]

Hehe:P

That is called selective searching!:D

We are all guilty of that!:eek:

[P3 Gator]

Youre right. We do enjoy knowing the names of the next notch on OUr belt!:D All kidding aside it does pass the time until the real thing!

Me too. I try not to make it too adversarial aside from just some good natured ribbing. Rather be over here going back and forth a bit than hanging out with everyone patting each other on the back.

[IronSoonerMan]

Me too. I try not to make it too adversarial aside from just some good natured ribbing. Rather be over here going back and forth a bit than hanging out with everyone patting each other on the back.

I can appreciate that.
Good on Ya!

[tulsaoilerfan]

I think it makes things more interesting to know about the guys on the field, both the good guys and the OU guys.

Agreed, but most of us are tired of hearing that every player on the Florida team is big and fast;)

[P3 Gator]

Agreed, but most of us are tired of hearing that every player on the Florida team is big and fast;)

There's enough big and fast on both sides. Just posted Will Hill's bio as back-up and to give an idea of one of the possible match-ups on your tight end.

I think Urban does put a premium on really fast skill guys, and we've had a lot of discussion about the small (Rainey, Demps) type RBs not being able to play between the tackles over at Gatorsports. Although they don't tend to push the pile for short gains, when there's a crack, they go pretty good (that accounts for high YPC...a few big runs mixed in with stuffs).

A lot of us wonder why we don't see more of Emanuel Moody who is bigger, runs hard and comes out of Arlington, TX (via USCw).

What's your match-up on our tight-end (Aaron Hernandez). He's got fair size (6'4" / ~250) and good movement and was rated the #1 tight end on Rivals and Scout in the 2007 class. Good hands and takes the shovel pass out of the h-back position and can move it up the middle.

[cheezyq]

In the other thread, it is offered up from you guys that margin of victory is irrelevant, but now you offer up OK's 54 ppg game as evidence of superiority. Again, how are offensive stats and offensive ppg relevant, but margin of victory (where UF exceeds OU) not relevant?

Holy crap you are clueless. You said OSU spouted offensive stats 2 years ago. I just posted the 20 ppg difference, making the comparison moot.


Second, you start off with "no excuses here" then give about 5 paragraphs of excuses about why you stunk up those 3 particular games, not to mention the loss to Boise St a couple of years ago.

Can you not read your own material? No excuses for THAT game. USC kicked our hind ends. I made no excuses for that.

The rest of my comments addressed your claim that we were "manhandled" by LSU.


My whole point is that oftentimes OU has been overrated, mainly due to its offensive production. I offer up those 2 MNC losses and the Boise St loss as evidence.

And you say that you never flame.


To anothers point about our loss to ole miss, yes we lost to them. However, I have not see anybody make the argument that Ole miss is a better team than UF, so I offer up, so what?? We lost to Auburn in 2006 and won the whole ball of was. If we play like we did against Ole Miss, we lose, no debate necessary.

Finally, about the Michigan loss last year - that was all inexperienced and poorly executed defense. We got up against a bunch of Michigan seniors and an outgoing coach and uncharacteristically got schooled. On balance, Urban Meyer's bowl record is pretty damn good.

Excuses, excuses. And when you're playing in the Outback bowl and the Peach bowl, I would hope that your bowl record would be pretty good.

[IronSoonerMan]

And when you're playing in the Outback bowl and the Peach bowl, I would hope that your bowl record would be pretty good.


LOL! Nice!:pop:

[adoniijahsooner]

That is called selective searching!:D

We are all guilty of that!:eek:

Let me give you facts then.

High School records

http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/tfn/records/records.jsp?listId=15

Demps holds the 100m record, but a Texas holds the 200m and 4x100m records. the speed is spread out a little, huh?


American records

http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/tfn/records/records.jsp?listId=3

Tyson Gay is from kentucky, but the 200, 300, and 400m record holder is from Texas. The 50 and 60m records are held by Maurice greene from kansas. Florida is not the birth place for speed. To finish it off the previous high school records before being broken by samuels of NC, were all held by texans, Henry Neal, Roy Martin, and Derrick Florence. What does this have to do with Oklahoma? Well, most of our players are from Texas.

[L-Boy]

LOL! Nice!:pop:

Meyer has won 2 BCS bowls and a BCS championship.

[L-Boy]

Let me give you facts then.

High School records

http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/tfn/records/records.jsp?listId=15

Demps holds the 100m record, but a Texas holds the 200m and 4x100m records. the speed is spread out a little, huh?


American records

http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/tfn/records/records.jsp?listId=3

Tyson Gay is from kentucky, but the 200, 300, and 400m record holder is from Texas. The 50 and 60m records are held by Maurice greene from kansas. Florida is not the birth place for speed. To finish it off the previous high school records before being broken by samuels of NC, were all held by texans, Henry Neal, Roy Martin, and Derrick Florence. What does this have to do with Oklahoma? Well, most of our players are from Texas.


The argument is that UF football has superior speed, not that UF Track has superior speed (whether they do or don't I don't know)

[wpfox16]

We need to lock you in a room with all the LSU fans that have been suffering the same verbal diarrhea man-love nonsense about whatever track star kid they have on their team that set all sorts of 100 yard dash records, and can make the earth spin backwards just by running around the equator while pissed off about a dead girlfriend.

It's cute that you read, and believe, your own press clippings. But if you'd like to be filled with giddy over-confidence, you should stick to the more rational source of such exuberance: Our defensive shortcomings this season.

I'm sorry, but it's time to quit beating around the bush here -- OU ain't slow. If you really, honestly think your team is so much faster than ours, you're just an effing retard.

I realize TV is confusing and dazzles you with all its slick graphics and suave talking heads, but this overpowering Florida team speed thing is part of the narrative. Not reality. OU has been fast every year since Stoops arrived, and if anything, we've allowed our speed to hurt us by over-pursuing and getting out of position.

You want slow, go watch the Big 10 lumber around the field. We're as fast as anyone.

Obviously you didn't read the last line of the post you quoted. For posterity, I'll re-post it...


Not that I think it really matters, as we're dealing with hundredths of a second, but Jeff Demps is ALWAYS the fastest man on the field. The dude ran a 10.02 100 meter in the Olympic Trials. That speed makes him the fastest high schooler ever timed. That time would have also put him in the top 8 at this year's Olympic games.


Here's a good NYT article on the dude
http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/200...n-in-football/

Again, I don't think that any of this means anything, as both teams are plenty fast.

Let's access the situation... You're calling ME a retard, yet you obviously lack any semblance of reading comprehension skills. Please refer to the post you intend to attack before writing such baseless, vitriolic drivel.

[RiddlerOK]

Gotta start somewhere.........

:pop:

[cheezyq]

Meyer has won 2 BCS bowls and a BCS championship.

One of those was not at Florida...and was against a Pitt team that had no business being in the BCS that year. The Pitt coach was consequently let go after that season, despite winning the Big East and getting into the BCS.

Man, you are REALLY reaching. Besides, no one here is knocking Urban. We're making fun of YOU for your stupid speed arguments.

[cheezyq]

The argument is that UF football has superior speed, not that UF Track has superior speed (whether they do or don't I don't know)

If that's the case, stop posting track speeds and take your timer, go to the FU practices, then go to the OU practices, and tell us who's faster.

What you've just said in this one post completely invalidates EVERY argument any FU poster has made since the beginning of this thread. Good job.

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

I imagine this is easily the worst thread on here. Who gives a ****!!! If Demps is the fastest guy on the field...who gives a ****, he is averaging like 4 touches a game. Even if he scores on all 4 touches...that is only 28 points.

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

I would also like to state that I got 1 more yard against Vanderbilt than Demps

[insuranceman_22]

Okay - Okay Demps will be the fastest guy on the field! There is only one arguement against that kind of speed, you've heard it before.....how fast is he with pads....football speed. I've seen UF play, they're all pretty fast, so is OU. Tebow isn't that fast, but he's hell to tackle. The speed thing won't be the primary factor in the outcome of the game. OU has speed too, 2 of our 3 linebackers are 4.5 or less, don't know about the 3rd, depends on who's healthy at game time.

[Jmorales22]

Meyer has won 2 BCS bowls and a BCS championship.

So has Bob Stoops. The more you play in the less like a genius you look.

[soonermix]

So has Bob Stoops. The more you play in the less like a genius you look.

well the good news is that we get to say that we have lost more championship games than you have played in :P

[DCGator]

I just can't figure out how those slow Michigan players did it last year. Must've cheated...

I'll tell you, our starting FB was out and we couldn't pick up their blitz packages. It was nothing to do with spead, but with an inspired Michigan overpowering our D and blitzing well against our O. At that time, Demps was not on the team, and Rainey was redshirting.

[DenverSooner751]

I'll tell you, our starting FB was out and we couldn't pick up their blitz packages. It was nothing to do with spead, but with an inspired Michigan overpowering our D and blitzing well against our O. At that time, Demps was not on the team, and Rainey was redshirting.

So speed is not the sole determining factor?

Wow, sure had me convinced otherwise.

[DCGator]

So speed is not the sole determining factor?

Wow, sure had me convinced otherwise.

If we lose our starting FB, TE or a couple of OL, it will be a long game on the 8th this time around as well for UF. I would think the same would go for OU.

[DCGator]

Let me give you facts then.

High School records

http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/tfn/records/records.jsp?listId=15

Demps holds the 100m record, but a Texas holds the 200m and 4x100m records. the speed is spread out a little, huh?


American records

http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/tfn/records/records.jsp?listId=3

Tyson Gay is from kentucky, but the 200, 300, and 400m record holder is from Texas. The 50 and 60m records are held by Maurice greene from kansas. Florida is not the birth place for speed. To finish it off the previous high school records before being broken by samuels of NC, were all held by texans, Henry Neal, Roy Martin, and Derrick Florence. What does this have to do with Oklahoma? Well, most of our players are from Texas.

When they extend the FB field to 400 yards, I'll definitely be concerned. :D

[Crucifax Autumn]

If we lose our starting FB, TE or a couple of OL, it will be a long game on the 8th this time around as well for UF. I would think the same would go for OU.

Nope...we have depth. Every player on OUr team is ready to step up now.

[richsooner]

I tried watching a couple of their games this year. They are so fast you could'nt see anything but a blur, even in slow-mo replay. Coud not tell one team from the other. They scored on every play they ran. They actually won the game with Ole Miss, the scorekeeper could'nt tell who was who and gave the TD's to the wrong team. All of their players run 0.1 40's. Whatever shall we do??? They could spot us 80 TD's and we still would'nt have a chance. Maybe we should bring the ruf-nek's shotguns to even things up a bit...................

[fadada1]

I'll tell you, our starting FB was out and we couldn't pick up their blitz packages. It was nothing to do with spead, but with an inspired Michigan overpowering our D and blitzing well against our O.

i sure hope our guys can be inspired... FOR THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP GAME!!!!. seriously, and i like UF... BECAUSE I WENT THERE!!!, but some of the logic gator fans are bringing here is moronic at best. michigan was inspired???? really???? in a bowl game???? do you really think we're not going to be inspired and blitz well???? somebody is going to lose this game (no kidding, right??), but i promise you the losing team will have not lost because they were uninspired.

[DCGator]

i sure hope our guys can be inspired... FOR THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP GAME!!!!. seriously, and i like UF... BECAUSE I WENT THERE!!!, but some of the logic gator fans are bringing here is moronic at best. michigan was inspired???? really???? in a bowl game???? do you really think we're not going to be inspired and blitz well???? somebody is going to lose this game (no kidding, right??), but i promise you the losing team will have not lost because they were uninspired.

I never claimed that we lost because UM was inspired. As I stated, UM won because they exploited our key blocking back being out for the game with an excellent blitz package.

And you may not be Knowledgeable of teams outside of OU, but Michigan did have a coach named Lloyd Carr, who's last game was that Bowl game. That was what I was referring to by "inspired", which is certainly more motivating than just playing in a non-BCS game, but again I don't believe that inspiration was the difference in the game.

[DCGator]

Okay - Okay Demps will be the fastest guy on the field! There is only one arguement against that kind of speed, you've heard it before.....how fast is he with pads....football speed. I've seen UF play, they're all pretty fast, so is OU. Tebow isn't that fast, but he's hell to tackle. The speed thing won't be the primary factor in the outcome of the game. OU has speed too, 2 of our 3 linebackers are 4.5 or less, don't know about the 3rd, depends on who's healthy at game time.


All of this track speed talk seems very theoretical. It’s difficult to tell how speed matches up from conference to conference, especially when there is no common opponent between two teams.

The question I have is whether OU has significantly upgraded their speed since the end of last year? I watched the Fiesta bowl last year, and what I saw was OU getting out-classed speed-wise by WV. I believe, and this is just opinion, that UF this year compares to WV last year as far as team speed goes. In the Fiesta Bowl, the difference between the two teams seemed very clearly to be due to a difference in speed. WV was just flat out faster and that is why they won comfortably. Now Tebow does not compare to Pat White in speed, but he does pose a serious threat to run. And we have several other play makers that give UF the same threat of speed, especially considering that Slaton was knocked out of the game early.

OU gave up the big play to speedy players that day, with a lot of long runs. UF specializes in the same type of play. OU has been susceptible to the big play this year as well, although not nearly as frequently. What has OU done to improve their speed so that this game is not a repeat of the Fiesta bowl?

[fadada1]

pulling the "let's win this one for coach" argument is weak, weak, and weak. i've never bought into that BS. carr was, for all intensive purposes, driven out of michigan because he could not inspire his team enough to beat ohio state. if players need inspiration to win for a lame duck coach, it's a sympton of the coach and program as a whole. you think tennessee is going to be better off without fulmer?? maybe, maybe not. look where michigan is? and don't use the "another coach's player" argument either. look what stoops did with another coach's players (total BS). let's look at meyer with zook's players. he did the same thing stoops did at OU - won a MNC in his 2nd year. bringing in stoops and meyer was great (obviously) and they changed both programs - although OU was in much worse shape than UF was.

had players at michigan played like they did EVERY game (and inspired) like they did in the bowl game, carr would still have a job.

[delhalew]

All of this track speed talk seems very theoretical. It’s difficult to tell how speed matches up from conference to conference, especially when there is no common opponent between two teams.

The question I have is whether OU has significantly upgraded their speed since the end of last year? I watched the Fiesta bowl last year, and what I saw was OU getting out-classed speed-wise by WV. I believe, and this is just opinion, that UF this year compares to WV last year as far as team speed goes. In the Fiesta Bowl, the difference between the two teams seemed very clearly to be due to a difference in speed. WV was just flat out faster and that is why they won comfortably. Now Tebow does not compare to Pat White in speed, but he does pose a serious threat to run. And we have several other play makers that give UF the same threat of speed, especially considering that Slaton was knocked out of the game early.

OU gave up the big play to speedy players that day, with a lot of long runs. UF specializes in the same type of play. OU has been susceptible to the big play this year as well, although not nearly as frequently. What has OU done to improve their speed so that this game is not a repeat of the Fiesta bowl?

From what I hear lack of speed was not our coaches biggest concern about our Fiesta bowl loss. They know when a team just isn't playing up to their ability. That said over the spring and summer our mammoth OL dropped some pounds to become quicker. They were already very athletic for "big uglies". After loosing some weight they are still larger than most kids we play.

Between all that and making sure nobody gets the chance to get caught walking a jacket out of Burlington Coat Factory. I think "showing up" should not be a problem in a NC matchup.

[DCGator]

pulling the "let's win this one for coach" argument is weak, weak, and weak. i've never bought into that BS. carr was, for all intensive purposes, driven out of michigan because he could not inspire his team enough to beat ohio state. if players need inspiration to win for a lame duck coach, it's a sympton of the coach and program as a whole. you think tennessee is going to be better off without fulmer?? maybe, maybe not. look where michigan is? and don't use the "another coach's player" argument either. look what stoops did with another coach's players (total BS). let's look at meyer with zook's players. he did the same thing stoops did at OU - won a MNC in his 2nd year. bringing in stoops and meyer was great (obviously) and they changed both programs - although OU was in much worse shape than UF was.

had players at michigan played like they did EVERY game (and inspired) like they did in the bowl game, carr would still have a job.


I totally agree with all points, especially about Carr not inspiring his players. That's why I didn't use the "inspired" play as the basis of my arguement. ;)

[adoniijahsooner]

All of this track speed talk seems very theoretical. It’s difficult to tell how speed matches up from conference to conference, especially when there is no common opponent between two teams.

The question I have is whether OU has significantly upgraded their speed since the end of last year? I watched the Fiesta bowl last year, and what I saw was OU getting out-classed speed-wise by WV. I believe, and this is just opinion, that UF this year compares to WV last year as far as team speed goes. In the Fiesta Bowl, the difference between the two teams seemed very clearly to be due to a difference in speed. WV was just flat out faster and that is why they won comfortably. Now Tebow does not compare to Pat White in speed, but he does pose a serious threat to run. And we have several other play makers that give UF the same threat of speed, especially considering that Slaton was knocked out of the game early.

OU gave up the big play to speedy players that day, with a lot of long runs. UF specializes in the same type of play. OU has been susceptible to the big play this year as well, although not nearly as frequently. What has OU done to improve their speed so that this game is not a repeat of the Fiesta bowl?

3 defensive starters missing from that game; our best CB, our best safety, and our run stopping d-lineman.

[L-Boy]

If that's the case, stop posting track speeds and take your timer, go to the FU practices, then go to the OU practices, and tell us who's faster.

What you've just said in this one post completely invalidates EVERY argument any FU poster has made since the beginning of this thread. Good job.


Good Lord you are dense. It seems Sooner fans are infatuated with this subject, just can't let go.

[DCGator]

Nope...we have depth. Every player on OUr team is ready to step up now.

Whoops! Didn't you get the note on the OU standard reply #1 for the Texas loss? Your MLB went down, what team can overcome such a loss in a big game?

[delhalew]

Whoops! Didn't you get the note on the OU standard reply #1 for the Texas loss? Your MLB went down, what team can overcome such a loss in a big game?

You really are an obnoxious prick aren't you? There are defensive schemes in place now that were not then.

Still listening *******? Ryan Reynalds was not JUST a MLB. He was our All-American Defensive team leader.

I don't care what you believe. I don't care what your too stupid to understand. Just take your condescending know it all toolbox Gator @ss somewhere else unless you can have a conversation like an adult.

This goes for all of you. I love to talk football, but this is our board. Have a little respect.

[delhalew]

Good Lord you are dense. It seems Sooner fans are infatuated with this subject, just can't let go.

And you too go run sprints with your boys. You insist on touting your superior speed. Show me how fast you can disappear.

[DCGator]

You really are an obnoxious prick aren't you? There are defensive schemes in place now that were not then.

Still listening *******? Ryan Reynalds was not JUST a MLB. He was our All-American Defensive team leader.

I don't care what you believe. I don't care what your too stupid to understand. Just take your condescending know it all toolbox Gator @ss somewhere else unless you can have a conversation like an adult.

This goes for all of you. I love to talk football, but this is our board. Have a little respect.

Cheer up! :O
Didn't you get that Easy Bake oven you wanted for Christmas? ;)

My point was just that one player CAN be the key to losing a game, such as the Michigan game for us.

[delhalew]

Cheer up! :O
Didn't you get that Easy Bake oven you wanted for Christmas? ;)

My point was just that one player CAN be the key to losing a game, such as the Michigan game for us.

I got that last year, but since you ask...the bulb burnt out while I was baking a souffle'.

You are right about one player turning the tide. However, with the corrections we've made. The only player that is true of now would be Sam. Example: Murrey is out. You would think that would be a crushing blow. It suck right out load, but we'll be ok.

[Jason White's Third Knee]

Whoops! Didn't you get the note on the OU standard reply #1 for the Texas loss? Your MLB went down, what team can overcome such a loss in a big game?

You're right. When Ted Ginn went down on the first play of the game a few years ago vs Fla, that changed quite a bit.

There were plenty of things that lead to OU's loss that day vs texas. You don't appear to be a very knowledgeable football fan, so I'll assume that you didn't see the game.

If you have the opportunity, you will notice the texas got a lot of breaks late in the game that kept OU from putting a nail in the coffin. It happens. Cudos to texas for capitalizing. McCoy had a hell of a 4th qtr.

At least this year OU lost to a Longhorn team that ended up in the top 3 depending on the poll. How is Ole Miss ranked these days?

[catsigater]

You're right. When Ted Ginn went down on the first play of the game a few years ago vs Fla, that changed quite a bit.

Not even the most delusional OSU fan thinks Ted Ginn would have made anywhere near enough of a difference to change the result of that game.

[Okie35]

Not even the most delusional OSU fan thinks Ted Ginn would have made anywhere near enough of a difference to change the result of that game.

florida still would've won but ginn would've still had his yards and score could've been slightly better than a massacre... when a player gets hurt either the team is going to hang their head or play harder... in osu's case they pretty much skipped the hanging and dug their own grave...

[Okie35]

Whoops! Didn't you get the note on the OU standard reply #1 for the Texas loss? Your MLB went down, what team can overcome such a loss in a big game?

its ok because it looks like everyone went down that hawaii game... you guys serious let hawaii shut you out the first quarter at home... geeeeeezzzeeee

[L-Boy]

its ok because it looks like everyone went down that hawaii game... you guys serious let hawaii shut you out the first quarter at home... geeeeeezzzeeee

So now we are down to evaulating single quarter performances of teams in their season openers?

[Okie35]

So now we are down to evaulating single quarter performances of teams in their season openers?

yup sure are 1st quarters in season openers to be exact... i can be an @sshole too... it was directed to the guy being a jerk but if you want to be apart of it... be my guest... the funniest thing about that was even though i knew florida would win it was on upset alert and would always cut away from games to go to that one until the 28 came in the 2nd quarter...

[L-Boy]

yup sure are 1st quarters in season openers to be exact... i can be an @sshole too... it was directed to the guy being a jerk but if you want to be apart of it... be my guest... the funniest thing about that was even though i knew florida would win it was on upset alert and would always cut away from games to go to that one until the 28 came in the 2nd quarter...

So somehow this is a rationalization as to why OU lost to TX??

[Crucifax Autumn]

This thread needs an enema.

[Ground_Attack]

The Rivals numbers are demonstrably wrong. Let me make this incredibly simple. Jeff Demps is the fastest kid EVER coming out of high school, and his 10.01 100 meters was measured on automatic electronic equipment at the United States Olympic Trials. Yet rivals says he runs a fairly average (for college RBs and WRs) 4.46. Do you really believe Travis Lewis is faster than Jeff Demps? Do you really believe he is faster than the FASTEST KID EVER coming out of high school? If you do, you are not to be taken seriously. If you do not, then you have to question the validity of the numbers you posted above.

if the 100 meters and 40 yards were the same, you would have a point. alas, you don't.

[Ground_Attack]

soooooo...Do the Gators still think this is a race? Guys can get in your lane playing football. Its not a sprint.

[Curly Bill]

soooooo...Do the Gators still think this is a race? Guys can get in your lane playing football. Its not a sprint.

They're just spouting off the talking points that UF sent out. Hell, listen to 'em and you can tell they aren't smart enough to come up with an original idea of their own.

[Jason White's Third Knee]

Not even the most delusional OSU fan thinks Ted Ginn would have made anywhere near enough of a difference to change the result of that game.

I understand what you are saying, however, I had heard that much of tOSU's offensive game plan was using TG in the wildcat formation. That kinda messes things up. THe guy can pass too. Just an observation given that he was their Reggie Bush that year.

[DenverSooner751]

They're just spouting off the talking points that UF sent out. Hell, listen to 'em and you can tell they aren't smart enough to come up with an original idea of their own.

But....they're Florida! They're really really fast! Fast enough that no equipment in the world can measure them, why the hell would they need to come up with an original idea? That's slow talk.;)

[catsigater]

I understand what you are saying, however, I had heard that much of tOSU's offensive game plan was using TG in the wildcat formation. That kinda messes things up. The guy can pass too. Just an observation given that he was their Reggie Bush that year.

I get where you're coming from. No doubt Ginn was a heckuva talented receiver and return man, but he wasn't on Bush's level as far as being a threat from anywhere on the field. His stats as a running back were pretty pedestrian, and he sure as heck wasn't going to line up in the backfield against the UF defense that year. They'd've massacred him.

[Jason White's Third Knee]

I get where you're coming from. No doubt Ginn was a heckuva talented receiver and return man, but he wasn't on Bush's level as far as being a threat from anywhere on the field. His stats as a running back were pretty pedestrian, and he sure as heck wasn't going to line up in the backfield against the UF defense that year. They'd've massacred him.

That's a fine bit of speculation on your part. His stats weren't impressive as a runner, because he was never featured as a runner. That was, supposedly, their wrinkle to throw off Fla. TG was a wicked run after the catch type of guy. To say that he would have been a factor (or that he wouldn't have lined up in the backfield) is stupid.

[catsigater]

That's a fine bit of speculation on your part. His stats weren't impressive as a runner, because he was never featured as a runner. That was, supposedly, their wrinkle to throw off Fla. TG was a wicked run after the catch type of guy. To say that he would have been a factor (or that he wouldn't have lined up in the backfield) is stupid.

"His stats weren't impressive as a runner, because he was never featured as a runner."? WTF?

Did it ever cross your mind that he wasn't featured as a runner, because that would have been stupid, given his skill sets?

He had 13 rushing attempts in '04, 12 in '05 and 3, yes 3 in '06. Do you really think if he was a "Reggie Bush" type threat in the backfield, his attempts would've gone down to non-existent, the further along he was in his career?

Ginn may have been good for a couple of end-arounds, but he was ZERO threat as anything but a gimmick-play runner.

Yes, he was a wicked "after the catch" kind of guy, and as a receiver, he's a threat. But if you saw that game, you would've seen the Heisman-winning quarterback running for his life. See, the QB is the guy who has to throw the ball to the talented Mr. Ginn. If he's flat on his back or running for cover, Mr. Ginn doesn't get the ball.

OSU had 47 yards rushing. Ted Ginn would've made zero difference there.
They had 35 yards passing. That's right, 82 yards total.

Like I said, not even the most delusional OSU fans think he'd have made any significant difference.

Calling a player someone's "Reggie Bush" shows a lack of appreciation for what Bush could do on the field. Ted Ginn wasn't even close when it came to rushing.

You should know that. OU actually has a "Reggie Bush" type player. Unfortunately, we won't get to see him play.

[Crucifax Autumn]

You should know that. OU actually has a "Reggie Bush" type player. Unfortunately, we won't get to see him play.

Lucky for us we have one guy that outrushed our "Reggie" as you're calling him and another with just as much talent. As I stated earlier, we have depth and they are ALL ready now.

As for the title of this thread, we ain't seen the Easter Bunny either but I bet we could whip his *** at football.

[catsigater]

Lucky for us we have one guy that outrushed our "Reggie" as you're calling him and another with just as much talent. As I stated earlier, we have depth and they are ALL ready now.

Can't take a compliment, eh? And who is your other Reggie? Which back has as many receiving yards as Murray? Which receiver has as many rushing yards?

[delhalew]

Those Florida boys play in traffic and chase bunny rabbits...we're boned.

[Crucifax Autumn]

Can't take a compliment, eh?

Not the backhanded variety. Like you when someone says, "That tebow's a great quarterback for a fullback and he throws very accurate lame duck passes".

[catsigater]

Not the backhanded variety. Like you when someone says, "That tebow's a great quarterback for a fullback and he throws very accurate lame duck passes".

Exactly what did I say that was backhanded? Comparing him to Bush? Saying it was unfortunate we wouldn't get to see him?

If I was being "backhanded", I'd have added one of these :rolleyes: or these ;) or these :P .

Get a clue.

[Gatorader]

After hearing from most every Gator fan about how fast the Gators are, and how we haven’t seen this kind of speed all year, I decided to see just how accurate those statements were.

Turns out, not very.

I looked up both the Florida and Oklahoma depth charts (so if I missed someone on the Gators squad, by all means, please tell me).

I also checked Rivals.com for all the listed 40 yard dash speeds. Since none of us happen to have the 40 times for every athlete on the team, this is the closest thing to being accurate.

Now, before you start telling me that some players are faster now than when they were timed in high school, let me tell you my philosophy. Adrian Peterson ran a 4.4 40 when he was timed in high school. At the NFL combine, AD ran a 4.38. So, he gained .02 of a second. I think it’s fair to say the 40 times from high school are relatively close (since I used both teams 40 times from high school).

Here you go:

Florida


Tim Tebow QB 4.69
Jeffrey Demps RB 4.46
Kestahn Moore RB 4.41
Chris Rainey RB 4.42
Emmanuel Moody RB 4.44
Deonte Thompson WR 4.4
Louis Murphy WR 4.54
Percy Harvin WR 4.4
Aaron Hernadez TE 4.51


Jer. Cunningham DE 4.65
Carlos Dunlap DE 4.6
Terron Sanders DT 5.1
Brandon Antwine DT 4.81
A.J. Jones LB 4.61
Dustin Doe LB 4.55
Brandn Spikes LB 4.76
Janoris Jenkins CB 4.69
Joe Haden CB 4.46
Ahmad Black S 4.5
Major Wright S 4.5


Oklahoma


Sam Bradford QB 4.64
Chris Brown RB 4.46
Mossis Madu RB 4.48
Jua. Iglesias WR 4.5
Ryan Broyles WR 4.51
Manuel Johnson WR 4.5
Quentin Chaney WR 4.5
Jer. Gresham TE 4.6



Frank Alexander DE 4.7
Jeremy Beal DE 4.7
Gerald McCoy DT 4.9
Adrian Taylor DT/NG 4.79
Keenan Clayton SLB 4.5
Austin Box MLB 4.6
Travis Lewis WLB 4.34
Dom. Franks CB 4.44
Brian Jackson CB 4.5
Lendy Holmes S 4.4
Quinton Carter S 4.5
N. Harris S 4.5



Now, based on this, it’s almost dead even. Sure, Florida has the fastest WR on the field (Percy Harvin & Deonte Thompson), but Oklahoma has the fastest player on the field (Travis Lewis).

Sorry Gator fans, your “speed” argument is dead.




If "8timechamps" really thinks Oklahoma's Will(Weakside) linebacker will be the fastest person on the field on January 8th then you know Nothing about football. Thats irresponsible to post something like that. Even more irresponsible to accept it as true in order to use it in an argument.

P.S. please dont respond by saying im just going by what Rivals says. we all know those times are BS. This is clearly evident by the fact that it has OU's will linebacker listed as the fastest player. All unsuspecting readers should disregard "8timechamps' post.

[Curly Bill]

If "8timechamps" really thinks Oklahoma's Will(Weakside) linebacker will be the fastest person on the field on January 8th then you know Nothing about football. Thats irresponsible to post something like that. Even more irresponsible to accept it as true in order to use it in an argument.

P.S. please dont respond by saying im just going by what Rivals says. we all know those times are BS. This is clearly evident by the fact that it has OU's will linebacker listed as the fastest player. All unsuspecting readers should disregard "8timechamps' post.

Wow, those of us that post on here regularly know nothing about football. Thanks for coming along and enlightening us.

[Jello Biafra]

If "8timechamps" really thinks Oklahoma's Will(Weakside) linebacker will be the fastest person on the field on January 8th then you know Nothing about football. Thats irresponsible to post something like that. Even more irresponsible to accept it as true in order to use it in an argument.

P.S. please dont respond by saying im just going by what Rivals says. we all know those times are BS. This is clearly evident by the fact that it has OU's will linebacker listed as the fastest player. All unsuspecting readers should disregard "8timechamps' post.

and we should listen to your dumbazz why? its all fugging stupid anyway...our linebackers are going to make your chior boy bleed when he steps across that LOS. no amount of 40 yard dash times are going to keep that from happening.

you guys are phuking morons and no amount of your bantering on our boards are going to change my opinion of that. period. the SEC thinks they are the conference in college football and will be squarely educated come january 8th.

urban is a good offensive coach but he will not have the defensive staff or minds together to figure out our offense in time. you will get points but i doubt you will do enough defensively to stop us from getting 30+.

take it for what its worth......dont go away mad. just go away.

[GottaHavePride]

Can't take a compliment, eh? And who is your other Reggie? Which back has as many receiving yards as Murray? Which receiver has as many rushing yards?

You misread what he typed. He said we had a back that outrushed Demarco Murray. His name is Chris Brown. BOTH of them are over 1,000 yards rushing on the season. And as for receivers, we have TWO of them over 1,000 yards receiving on the season. How many of those does Florida have?

Oh, that's right. None.


If "8timechamps" really thinks Oklahoma's Will(Weakside) linebacker will be the fastest person on the field on January 8th then you know Nothing about football. Thats irresponsible to post something like that. Even more irresponsible to accept it as true in order to use it in an argument.

P.S. please dont respond by saying im just going by what Rivals says. we all know those times are BS. This is clearly evident by the fact that it has OU's will linebacker listed as the fastest player. All unsuspecting readers should disregard "8timechamps' post.

You are discounting the possibility that OU also has fast football players. And that perhaps, in a straight line, Travis Lewis is pretty damn fast.

The fastest player on the field January 8th will be Sam Bradford's mind.

You can write that one down if you want.

[Crucifax Autumn]

Exactly what did I say that was backhanded? Comparing him to Bush? Saying it was unfortunate we wouldn't get to see him?

If I was being "backhanded", I'd have added one of these or these or these .

Get a clue.

I have a clue. It sounded very much like a dig into the fact that our startting RB wouldn't be playing after also stating that he was our "big play" guy. The simple fact is we have a team full of big play guys stacked 3 deep.

And this Florida fan hangup on using emotes as their only way of expressing themselves is cowardly. I could say the entire florida team are gay child molesters who killed their grandparents and parents and give a wink and it wouldn't be bad anymore? That's just silly. Could I say I hope tebow gets a spiral fracture in both legs on the opening play and pukes blood all over the field and then wink and consider myself sportsmanlike because I was "just kidding"? no...it would be childish just like saying "ah...too bad we don't get to play against your best guy".

And as for that last post...Lewis is that fast. We like having big backers who can fly. We have to have at least one of those kinda guys in our style defense.

[Crucifax Autumn]

You know...I kinda give up here. When there is no reading comprehension on the other side of a written argument it's futile to even attempt to counter-point anything.

You guys are right. We only have one good player at each position and they are ALL injured or failing school. We're doomed and all we can really do is bring stop-watches and enjoy the MNC one team track meet.

[catsigater]

You misread what he typed. He said we had a back that outrushed Demarco Murray. His name is Chris Brown. BOTH of them are over 1,000 yards rushing on the season. And as for receivers, we have TWO of them over 1,000 yards receiving on the season. How many of those does Florida have?

Oh, that's right. None.


No, I read what he typed, and it was clear he got his panties in a twist 'cos he thought I was paying Murray a backhanded compliment. He said as much. If OU fans are so sensitive that comparing one of their players favorably to one of the greatest dual purpose threats of the last decade is "backhanded", I dunno what to say.

He also said,


Lucky for us we have one guy that outrushed our "Reggie" as you're calling him and another with just as much talent.

What he typed there wasn't clear. So I asked for clarification.

Now please, tell me, who is it that's as talented as Murray when it comes to receiving AND rushing?

Oh, that's right. No one.

:gary: You guys are going off the deep end. Get some sleep.

[Crucifax Autumn]

Wow, those of us that post on here regularly know nothing about football. Thanks for coming along and enlightening us.


This sin't the Tennis board? No wonder we're all confused!

[Curly Bill]

This is the honest conclusion that I have come to:

The Gator fans, at least the ones that have come on here, are possibly the least football knowledgeable peeps I have seen as a fanbase. They seem to sorely underestimate our knowledge, assuming I guess, we are as clueless as they generally seem to be.

[catsigater]

You know...I kinda give up here. When there is no reading comprehension on the other side of a written argument it's futile to even attempt to counter-point anything.

You guys are right. We only have one good player at each position and they are ALL injured or failing school. We're doomed and all we can really do is bring stop-watches and enjoy the MNC one team track meet.

The comprehension problems going both ways. What's so disrespectful about saying Murray is a singular talent. He is, isn't he?

Get your head out of your azz.

[Crucifax Autumn]

Now please, tell me, who is it that's as talented as Murray when it comes to receiving AND rushing?

Oh, that's right. No one.

MAdu will do great in that role...just watch.


Quote:
Lucky for us we have one guy that outrushed our "Reggie" as you're calling him and another with just as much talent.

What he typed there wasn't clear. So I asked for clarification.


How was that not clear? You are the one who seems to think that "outrushed" means "got as many passing and receiving yards as".


If OU fans are so sensitive that comparing one of their players favorably to one of the greatest dual purpose threats of the last decade is "backhanded", I dunno what to say.


No, the backhanded part was pointing out he wouldn't be playing as if to say "yeah, he's good but ha!" without thinking for a second that the deepest RB pool in all of college football might not have something else up their sleeve.

[Crucifax Autumn]

Get your head out of your azz.

I'd tell you the same, but the head contains the organ whuch does all our thinking and you seem to not have such an organ. I can tell why every post you have seems to be edited: revisionist history to win arguments after the fact.

[catsigater]

I have a clue. It sounded very much like a dig into the fact that our startting RB wouldn't be playing after also stating that he was our "big play" guy. The simple fact is we have a team full of big play guys stacked 3 deep.

And this Florida fan hangup on using emotes as their only way of expressing themselves is cowardly. I could say the entire florida team are gay child molesters who killed their grandparents and parents and give a wink and it wouldn't be bad anymore? That's just silly. Could I say I hope tebow gets a spiral fracture in both legs on the opening play and pukes blood all over the field and then wink and consider myself sportsmanlike because I was "just kidding"? no...it would be childish just like saying "ah...too bad we don't get to play against your best guy".

And as for that last post...Lewis is that fast. We like having big backers who can fly. We have to have at least one of those kinda guys in our style defense.

I didn't use one of your gay emoticons, because I was saying exactly what I meant. You were the one who decided to take it some other direction, and now you're intentionally provoking.

Have at it.

[Gatorader]

None of you'll responded to what I said. Instead you'll resorted to name calling and bringing up other issues that I was not talking about. Well done. We could sit here and argue which team is faster all day. However, what can't be argued is that Travis Lewis will not be the fastest person on the field on Jan. 8th. I did not say all sooner fans dont know anything about football. I said "8timechamps" knows nothing. Sooner fans who do understand football will recognize his post as faulty and will make a reply post that discounts what "8timechamps" said. Thanks sooner fans.

[Curly Bill]

None of you'll responded to what I said. Instead you'll resorted to name calling and bringing up other issues that I was not talking about. Well done. We could sit here and argue which team is faster all day. However, what can't be argued is that Travis Lewis will not be the fastest person on the field on Jan. 8th. I did not say all sooner fans dont know anything about football. I said "8timechamps" knows nothing. Sooner fans who do understand football will recognize his post as faulty and will make a reply post that discounts what "8timechamps" said. Thanks sooner fans.

...or since you're just another dumas Gator fan we could ignore you or make fun of you.

[cheezyq]

....you'll resorted to name calling.

Boo-F***ing-hoo. **** off dip****. Take your whiny b***** **** ***** dumb ******* *** out of here before we kick your pathetic little ***** *** out.

F***er.

[catsigater]

My apologies for my part in derailing this thread, and to Crucifax and Third Knee for being overly confrontational.

To respond to your original point...

I can understand why OU fans are tired of hearing about "Florida Speed". We are justifiably proud of the team Meyer has assembled, but OU has also assembled an exceptional team with fantastic athletes.

It's my opinion that OU hasn't seen quite the combination of world-class speed and power they will see when they play UF, but nothing any UF homer says here will convince your fans of that.

Hopefully, our guys will show up.

[Curly Bill]

My apologies for my part in derailing this thread, and to Crucifax and Third Knee for being overly confrontational.

To respond to your original point...

I can understand why OU fans are tired of hearing about "Florida Speed". We are justifiably proud of the team Meyer has assembled, but OU has also assembled an exceptional team with fantastic athletes.

It's my opinion that OU hasn't seen quite the combination of world-class speed and power they will see when they play UF, but nothing any UF homer says here will convince your fans of that.

Hopefully, our guys will show up.

I bet some of our guys watched the Olympics. :rolleyes:

[Crucifax Autumn]

I didn't use one of your gay emoticons, because I was saying exactly what I meant. You were the one who decided to take it some other direction, and now you're intentionally provoking.

Have at it.

No one needed to provoke you. You came here already provoked, already looking to argue, already saying speed, speed, speed while denying you ever said anything about speed, then when someone posts the times on Rivals, which several of your buddies have also done, in a more selective fashion, you once again scream speed doesn't matter, he's not really that fast, etc. and back to Florida speed you point out that Lewis won't be the fastest guy on the field.

Personally, I think speed is largely overrated in that if some guy is shooting a gap at the speed of light and Lewis' slow *** lays the hammer on him he's not exactly gonna get up as fast as he was running. This is football and OU is not a wimpy team who will duck and cover when they see a guy run fast...they see it daily in practice and all year in a conference full of very fast spread offenses.

[Crucifax Autumn]

OU has seen such a combination as you mention. Like I said above we see power and speed in an unprecedented way daily in practice.

[Gatorader]

Those who ignore are irresponsible football fans and OU homers. Homers defend their team at all costs no matter if its right or not. Granted, all committed fans have some homer in them. However, this is a case of too much "homer" that no sooner fan has disputed "8timechamps" claims. It gets to a point where something is so wrong that you lose you're "homer" for a brief second and do whats right. Yet, apparently that hasn't happened to any sooner fans after reading what started this spread. Responsible/realist sooner fans will negate what "8timechamps" posted. Prove me wrong sooner fans. I'm waiting for someone to do it so I can start to believe you'll understand football.

[Curly Bill]

Those who ignore are irresponsible football fans and OU homers. Homers defend their team at all costs no matter if its right or not. Granted, all committed fans have some homer in them. However, this is a case of too much "homer" that no sooner fan has disputed "8timechamps" claims. It gets to a point where something is so wrong that you lose you're "homer" for a brief second and do whats right. Yet, apparently that hasn't happened to any sooner fans after reading what started this spread. Responsible/realist sooner fans will negate what "8timechamps" posted. Prove me wrong sooner fans. I'm waiting for someone to do it so I can start to believe you'll understand football.

...an irresponsible football fan? WTF even is that? That's the gheyest term I've heard on here in a few days.

[Curly Bill]

OU has seen such a combination as you mention. Like I said above we see power and speed in an unprecedented way daily in practice.

Hey Crucifax! Quit being an irresponsible fan will ya! :D :rolleyes:

[adoniijahsooner]

While the media, gator fans, we sooner fans, and to some extent florida's football team are engage in back and forth, our wonderful team is in the lab concocting a surefire formula of intensity, hunger, discipline, and anger to beat the living crap out the gators where it counts, and that is on the field. The reason we are getting so pissed off by the lack of respect being shown to our team, because what we have seen of florida is not enough to merit any fear or trepidation. We all witnessed ole miss whoop you guys, we watched georgia walk the football up and down the field, and we saw alabama make their share of plays as well. You did not score on every play, nor was the other teams held to negative yards on every play; but you expect THE OKLAHOMA SOONERS to be afraid? Why, just because your guys can run fast? Please! Today Tebow name was placed in the same sentence with William Wallace and Maximus, and you dont expect us to laugh at the foolery coming at us sooners from all angles?

[Crucifax Autumn]

Tell me again what was so faulty about posting those times? They may not be entirely accurate, but at least for once in the speed argument we have a full set of times from a single source as opposed to cherry-picking times from all over the place.

I'm sure if you search hard enough you'll find pre-season reference to Lewis' speed where we all discussed how amazingly fast his pure speed was for a LB.

The point being, we call each other out on innacurate information all the time, but this didn't warrant it.

Am I missing something? I didn't see anything to argue about in that post.

[catsigater]

No one needed to provoke you. You came here already provoked, already looking to argue, already saying speed, speed, speed while denying you ever said anything about speed, then when someone posts the times on Rivals, which several of your buddies have also done, in a more selective fashion, you once again scream speed doesn't matter, he's not really that fast, etc. and back to Florida speed you point out that Lewis won't be the fastest guy on the field.

Personally, I think speed is largely overrated in that if some guy is shooting a gap at the speed of light and Lewis' slow *** lays the hammer on him he's not exactly gonna get up as fast as he was running. This is football and OU is not a wimpy team who will duck and cover when they see a guy run fast...they see it daily in practice and all year in a conference full of very fast spread offenses.

Of course I'm looking to argue. Isn't that kind of the point of a message board?

I understand it's easy to lump all trolls together, but if you're going to paint me with that brush, I'm going to challenge you. If you're going to intentionally misinterpret what I've said, instead of asking for clarification, as I did when you weren't clear, be my guest.

And your attempt to box me in by saying all I've done is talk "speed, speed, speed," then saying I've denied to have done so is a crock of ****. I've done neither.

The fact that you can't or won't answer the question I asked about who is more of a dual threat than Murray indicates you were happy to run with your perceived sleight of him, instead of try and talk a little football.

I haven't said a thing about Lewis, because I don't know enough about him to pass judgment. I don't post on Rivals and I don't talk out both sides of my mouth. If you choose to be so thin-skinned that an innocuous compliment causes you to go completely irrational, be by guest. I'll stop engaging you, but no one's going to misrepresent what I've said without being called on it.

If that means I'm banned, so be it.

[catsigater]

I bet some of our guys watched the Olympics. :rolleyes:

Careful, Crucifax will call you a coward for using emoticons. ;)

[Crucifax Autumn]

I did say who is a dual threat. I said Madu would show his game on the 8th. I shouldn't need to ask for clarification. You state something, I say what I take from it: it's your job to clarify if your words were misconstrued.

If you read what I said I never said ALL you said was speed, speed, speed. I said you came here and argued that and even in this thread you denied it while again bringing up speed.

I never said your compliment was a slight on Murray, I said it was backhanded in that one of the few compliments you have made was to a player who you immediately pointed out after the compliment is not playing in the game, thus implying that our one dual threat guy is a non factor when, in fact, Brown and Madu are both fantastic rushers who can also catch the ball. What's more is we have Clap out of the backfield to make catches and every guy I've mentioned can also line up in other spots as pure receivers, not to mention us having sets where out TEs sometimes line up in the backfield creating even more trouble.

[Crucifax Autumn]

Careful, Crucifax will call you a coward for using emoticons.

Again, you miss the point. You say you woulda used an enote if you had meant any offense, where normally on these boards, the emotes are used to denote "no offense".

You brought 'em up and I screwed with you on it and now you can't stop bringing it up. Seems to be a Florida tradition, much like spewing cookie cutter talking points about either speed or simple trap plays and so on that every team in the modern history of football has run and acting as though Stoops and crew are gonna go "what are they doing???? I'm soooo confused".

It's kinda like the big dumb argument a few days ago where one of you geniuses acted as though pulling a lineman was some Florida invention.

[catsigater]

Again, you miss the point. You say you woulda used an enote if you had meant any offense, where normally on these boards, the emotes are used to denote "no offense".

But a compliment with no emoticon is a clear offense.

Got it. :rolleyes:

[Curly Bill]

much like spewing cookie cutter talking points about either speed or simple trap plays and so on that every team in the modern history of football has run and acting as though Stoops and crew are gonna go "what are they doing???? I'm soooo confused".

It's kinda like the big dumb argument a few days ago where one of you geniuses acted as though pulling a lineman was some Florida invention.

Goes back to what I said about them being uneducated football-wise and assuming we must be as well. Their knowledgeable fans, and I am assuming they have some, must be frequenting their own boards. Meanwhile the ones not very welcome on those boards have come here to annoy us, and spout the talking points they hear when they lurk on the UF boards.

[Crucifax Autumn]

You know you're just being confrontational for the fun of it and you know that you slowly twist arguments around to suit your needs.

If that's what gets you off have at it. I wouldn't want anyone messing with my forms of mental masturbation and I'm sure that's what has you in such a tizzy. Continue stroking your "brain" and I'll continue to look forward to seeing all you guys choke on reality on the 8th. Even if you end up winning, you'll still have to go away knowing we are just as fast, just as physical, just as hungry, and just as well coached.

That said, I can't wait to see OU rip the very souls from the swamp nation shocking all the overconfident fools who think that the SEC and speed are the only things that make for great football.

[catsigater]

You know you're just being confrontational for the fun of it...

Ah, but you have a higher purpose, no doubt. Admit it, you're enjoying righteously putting the trolls in their places.

[RiddlerOK]

Someone please tell me what we have to do in order to see Florida's team speed. Do I need a telescope? Binoculars? Magnifying glass? Bueller?

[Crucifax Autumn]

I'm mainly just enjoying being a Sooner and knowing that we're gonna win.

Troll hunting is fun, but not as fun as having to update my wardrobe to reflect 8 championships is going to be.

[catsigater]

I'm mainly just enjoying being a Sooner and knowing that we're gonna win.

Non-denial denial. Sounds like you're typing with one hand, too.


Troll hunting is fun, but not as fun as having to update my wardrobe to reflect 8 championships is going to be.

If you're going to hunt trolls, you need to come with better ammo. This kind of weak smack won't cut it...


If you read what I said I never said ALL you said was speed, speed, speed. I said you came here and argued that and even in this thread you denied it while again bringing up speed.


Didn't argue it in this thread, didn't deny it either. I offered an opinion about what OU's seen and not seen. That's not an argument, it's a statement, that was on the topic of the thread. There's a good Monty Python sketch on "arguments", you should check it out.

You do a pretty good job of twisting your own self up without my help.

The whole thread, which was started by an OU homer, is about speed. Kinda crazy that something like that would be brought up. And no, you didn't say ALL I said was speed, speed, speed. But when someone feels the need to repeat something 3 times, I assume that's for a reason. What was that? Just want a little clarification.

So show me where I made that the central focus of my posts on this thread, or whatever it was you meant when you constructed this nightmare of a post...


You came here already provoked, already looking to argue, already saying speed, speed, speed while denying you ever said anything about speed, then when someone posts the times on Rivals, which several of your buddies have also done, in a more selective fashion, you once again scream speed doesn't matter, he's not really that fast, etc. and back to Florida speed you point out that Lewis won't be the fastest guy on the field.

I hadn't denied anything prior to that post, so you were in error to say so. Post your post, the only thing I denied was that I came in saying "speed, speed, speed."

And why are you guys so obsessed with UF and speed anyway? Envy?

[cheezyq]

And why are you guys so obsessed with UF and speed anyway? Envy?

I used to think Florida was full of only debased youths partying in Miami and old people...but suddenly a new genre emerges - the arrogant football moron who gets off on speed discussion.

[Crucifax Autumn]

We're merely making fun of your cohorts for using track stats to argue football, when you and all of us know Harvin's track times would be destroyed if he had to dodge tackles.

And okay, you never had the direct quote "speed, speed. speed", you guys just all keep bringing it up and have since you arrived which was the entire satirical point of this thread.


Non-denial denial. Sounds like you're typing with one hand, too.

And yep, I have this weird stupidity fetish...when I read enough of it I just can't control the downward drift of my right hand. The more stupid the threads get the more excited my little tebow gets.

[catsigater]

the more excited my little tebow gets.

Hey! That's what mine's named too! :cool:

[L-Boy]

225 replies and 12 pages. :pop: You guys really got your panties in a wad over this speed thing. :D

[Crucifax Autumn]

Yes, but can yours raise the dead and heal lepers?

[Crucifax Autumn]

225 replies and 12 pages. You guys really got your panties in a wad over this speed thing.

Personally, as related to the most recent stretch of posts, I have a wad in my panties.

[Rhino]

This is silly.

Enough.