John Shinn: Why I voted for McCoy, Norman Transcript

[SoonerMom2]

Published: December 12, 2008 06:29 pm
http://www.normantranscript.com/localnews/local_story_347182914.html

John Shinn: Why I voted for McCoy

By John Shinn
The Norman Transcript

Go ahead, I've earned it. Over the last couple days I've been called everything from an Oklahoma hater to just plain brain damaged.

You fill in a Heisman Trophy ballot and print it in the paper and your e-mail box fills up and people start calling my bosses wanting their subscriptions canceled or my head on pike.

You want to know why I gave Colt McCoy the top spot on my ballot and put Sam Bradford at No. 2, which some thought I left him off all together.

First off, no one at The Transcript had anything to do with my vote. Most of the people here are OU fans, OU grads or both. I don't think I'm their favorite person right now.

I'm not some Texas lover that somehow slipped into Oklahoma. I actually graduated from OU.

It wasn't a knock against Bob Stoops or anyone else at OU, as a decent amount of you have suggested. I've always thought I've been treated pretty well by the Sooner brass.

It wasn't a vote against Bradford. I did a story Saturday's paper calling him the greatest quarterback OU's ever had. Doesn't mean much now, but it was planned well before I turned in my Heisman vote.

I've covered him for two years and he's an incredible quarterback, and as much as I could know from talking to him for a couple minutes on Tuesdays and after games, a pretty decent human being.

I've voted for the Heisman Trophy every year since 2004. I've always believed it should go to the player who takes his team to heights it couldn't come close reaching without him.

The reason why I thought McCoy was more deserving of my vote was in the paper in the week leading up to the Big 12 championship game.

If you're a Sooner fan you know who Phil Loadholt, Duke Robinson, Trent Williams, Jon Cooper, DeMarco Murray, Jermaine Gresham, Matt Clapp and Juaquin Iglesais are.

All were either first or second team all-conference players this season. I know because just about all of them were on my ballot for the Associated Press All-Big 12 team along with Bradford.

Then I looked at what Texas put on that team. Adam Ulatoski (an offensive tackle) on the coaches' first team, Chris Hall (center) was second-team pick and Jordan Shipley (wide receiver) was also a second-team pick.

So by any applicable standard, the coaches and the people that cover the Big 12 on a regular basis think OU has a better offensive line, receivers and running backs.

I looked at the stats. (I wasn't just throwing darts at a board).

- Bradford threw an NCAA record 53 touchdown passes, 21 more than McCoy.

- McCoy rushed for 10 touchdowns, five more than Bradford.

- McCoy was also the Longhorns' leading rusher this season.

- Bradford handed the ball off to two 1,000-yard running backs. Wasn't much need for Bradford to tuck it and run and it don't remember him having to scramble of pocket very often.

Then I remembered McCoy running for his life a bunch. I remember him running for a bunch of first downs against the Sooners.

That's I voted the way I did.

I gave McCoy the nod because I thought he got the Longhorns to 11-1 (with a victory over OU) with less talent surrounding him. Most of you think I'm wrong, but I watch OU play every Saturday. I know how good the players around Bradford are.

I thought Bradford drove a high-performance machine as well as it could be done. I thought McCoy towed the Longhorns to where they are. I've always had pretty strong appreciation for it.

If Bradford comes back to OU next season and puts up anywhere the same numbers with a new offensive line and younger receivers, I can guarantee you he'll be atop my ballot.

Many of you thought I did it was because I wanted attention. Far from it. My boss wrote a lengthy column explaining why he was going to vote for Bradford. I wrote a story that day explaining there was a good case for Bradford, McCoy and Tim Tebow and simply listed my vote.

If you read the paper on a regular basis you know I'm not a columnist, I'm the OU beat writer. I pose questions, get players' and coaches' answers and write about what they say. My stories are about what they think, not what I think.

A few people (although I don't think they were OU fans) just thought I was nuts for admitting how I voted. I only did because it's pretty low rent to ask a coach how he votes on things and then keep my votes private. (I have one in the AP men's basketball poll, too. I have OU at No. 5.)

So, if you still think I'm an idiot, I won't shout anyone down or ignore your pleas. Fire away. It takes thick skin and an ego that doesn't need to be massaged to be in this business.

You wanted an answer, there's mine.

[SoonerMom2]

Bet you won't find a sportswriter in Austin who didn't vote for McCoy or Gainesville who didn't vote for Tebow. Figures the Norman Transcript would hire someone that would support a Longhorn for Heisman over Sam Bradford who hails from Oklahoma. Maybe Shinn should go to work for the Austin American Statesman!

[jwlynn64]

Wow. I guess the Heisman really is the MVP award now! :rolleyes:

[Jacie]

WTF???

A sportswriter with a conscience!

And how exactly did he get a Heisman vote in the first place?

Is there a club you can join? (think of the possibilities!)

If he were to lose his job as a sportswriter would he also lose his vote?

This is worse than having to worry about the Electoral College choosing a President who lost the popular vote.

[IBleedCrimson]

he makes as good a case one can for not voting sammy. I could almost respect him.. Cept he disagrees with me so I must make personal attacks against him.

what an asshat saxet luver . Probably thinks boys>va j j too

[Curly Bill]

Guys a ****-bag if you ask me.

[Knippz]

Bradford threw for 48, not 53...yet.

This guy chose Colt because he's shallow and let's the media influence his decisions. Might as well have voted Tebow.

Doesn't matter, Bradford's gonna win it. We'll shut some talking heads up in the MNC.

[DarrellZero]

Bottom line, he's under no obligation to vote for Sam just because he works for the Transcript.

We can disagree with him, which I do, but it's ultimately a subjective thing, so that's it. Accept it and move on.

[Flagstaffsooner]

Guys a ****-bag if you ask me.:D spek!

[Crucifax Autumn]

He coulda made that an easier to read explanation if he'd just said, "cuz I'm a moron"

[Curly Bill]

Bottom line, he's under no obligation to vote for Sam just because he works for the Transcript.

We can disagree with him, which I do, but it's ultimately a subjective thing, so that's it. Accept it and move on.


Well, that's it folks. No more debate or discussion on the matter. We have to accept it and move on. :rolleyes:

...or wait, this is a message board where peeps come to talk about stuff, so...how about we do that if we want to?

[DarrellZero]

Well, that's it folks. No more debate or discussion on the matter. We have to accept it and move on. :rolleyes:

...or wait, this is a message board where peeps come to talk about stuff, so...how about we do that if we want to?

I didn't mean it as an imperative; I simply meant that that's how I choose to deal with it.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

It's not like he's voting for public office. It's not capitalism vs socialism. Shinn's a Sooner, and since Bradford is a legitimate contender for Heisman, Shinn should have voted for him.

[Curly Bill]

I didn't mean it as an imperative; I simply meant that that's how I choose to deal with it.

...and that's what peeps should do - deal with it the way that works best for them. Me, I prefer to think the guy is a ****-bag. :D

[Knippz]

Once again, it doesn't matter. Sam has it. Who cares who votes for him?

[Curly Bill]

I just don't like whiney little ****-bags, who come up with ****-bag explanations as to why they are a ****-bag.

[Knippz]

I just don't like whiney little ****-bags, who come up with ****-bag explanations as to why they are a ****-bag.

It just shows the shallowness of their character. Anyone who has their own, non-influenced opinions, knows Bradford's the better of the 3.

[Knippz]

I'm also tired of this "McCoy did more with less" garbage. Texass and Florida both recruit just as well as us. The difference is, we develop our players.

[oumartin]

Guys a ****-bag if you ask me

I'm going with this one

[Whet]

Sounds like the Transcript should undergo a sports writer layoff!

[Hot Rod]

Well, with Orakpo winning multiple awards, doesn't that mean McCoy is surrounded by talent as well. If not for him, Colt wouldn't get the ball as much as he did!

C'mon...

[Curly Bill]

From my experience with sportswriters lots of them are frustrated -- don't have the ability to be an athlete, too lazy to be a coach, so they write about it. Many of them have axes to grind.

[Flagstaffsooner]

From my experience with sportswriters lots of them are frustrated -- don't have the ability to be an athlete, too lazy to be a coach, so they write about it. Many of them have axes to grind.And those who cant write work for the Norman Transcrap, one step down from the DO.

[Curly Bill]

And those who cant write work for the Norman Transcrap, one step down from the DO.

:D

...and there are lots of them that can't write.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

From my experience with sportswriters lots of them are frustrated -- don't have the ability to be an athlete, too lazy to be a coach, so they write about it. Many of them have axes to grind.His vote is simply disappointing. At least he should have not told anyone what he did.

[Curly Bill]

Bobby Knight's great quote about sportswriters:

“All of us learn to write in the second grade. Most of us go on to greater things.”

[OklahomaTuba]

I gave McCoy the nod because I thought he got the Longhorns to 11-1 (with a victory over OU) with less talent surrounding him. Most of you think I'm wrong, but I watch OU play every Saturday. I know how good the players around Bradford are.

Wow. Given this argument, why didn't he vote for Harrell then?? Even less talent, better stats, and he beat McCoy!!!

[Curly Bill]

Wow. Given this argument, why didn't he vote for Harrell then?? Even less talent, better stats, and he beat McCoy!!!

You make a good point.

He prolly likes the way Colt looks in his uniform better. ;)

[KingDavid]

There is absolutely no way in hell this guy votes for McCoy without WANTING to get some attention. Sure, you can make a case for McCoy - but it's by no means an open and shut case. There's no possible argument this guy can make that says, "I had to vote this way. My conscience wouldn't allow anything else."

So, there are only two options why Schinn cast this vote:

1) He is a complete dumb-a$$ and doesn't understand the nature of the Sooner Nation and the backlash he would soon receive after revealing his vote, or

2) He's just a ****-bag looking for some attention.

Because he's been around long enough to know the nature of the Nation - having graduated from OU and also having covered the Sooners for this long - then, by default, Schinn must in fact be a ****-bag.

So, I'm going with ****-bag, too.

[Flagstaffsooner]

You make a good point.

He prolly likes the way Colt looks in his uniform better. ;)Did he not go to work on Tuesday or whatever fag dont go to work day was.

[Curly Bill]

Did he not go to work on Tuesday or whatever fag dont go to work day was.

I'm guessing if we called up his employer this would prove to be the case. :D

[Flagstaffsooner]

My reply to that queer.


Do you dress up in burnt orange and masterbate in your closet?

[1890MilesToNorman]

I don't understand the Heisman vote.

Why do I pick a player?

He's a SEC player?
He's a babe magnet?
He gives the coach a stiffy?
He scores the most points in the modern history of the game?
I have a financial interest in my pick???????

I think I'll vote for the SEC player or McCoy.

Baffling to say the least.

[Flagstaffsooner]

I don't understand the Heisman vote.

Why do I pick a player?

He's a SEC player?
He's a babe magnet?
He gives the coach a stiffy?
He scores the most points in the modern history of the game?
I have a financial interest in my pick???????

I think I'll vote for the SEC player or McCoy.

Baffling to say the least.You forgot the ghey vote. Colt + Chrissy and Timmy in a warm Phillipios(sp) behind.

[Crucifax Autumn]

You know, I'm with the attention idea combined with the asshat sportswriter/reporter theory.

Think GameDay:

Herbie says "Team x will win huge", May says "yeah, team x has player a and he really works well with player b which opens it up big for player c."

Then along comes everyone's favorite asshat to say "not so fast my friends, team y has this guy funky mcdingleberry and team x hasn't seen a guy like that since slurpy von poop-pants took it to them in november of last year. Team Y by 3 touchdowns!!!!" *Wave stick, put on hat, shoot gun, slap ***, or wave weiner*

The crowd either goes wild with joy or boos extensively, giving the sports analcyst a bunch of attention.

And there you have it...

[Flagstaffsooner]

slurpy von poop-pants You're killing me. I am lol sohard I am crying.

[Crucifax Autumn]

That was Herbie's nick-name in college BTW

[tulsaoilerfan]

Just a wannabe writer wanting some attention, and unfortunately people have given it to him; if he voted for Sam no one would even talk about the guy

[Crucifax Autumn]

Yeah, and now people think he's stupid..way better!

[SoonerLB]

If Sam loses by 1 point, I'm callin' fer shinn-splints!

[Crucifax Autumn]

I'm callin' for his ***! Impaled on the UT Tower.

[dolemitesooner]

I agree with the guy

Mccoy probably is the better player

[skeeterou]

The only way I'm pissed off is if Tebow wins it. Sorry, but as awesome as "Superman" is, he is nowhere near the caliber of McCoy or Bradford this year. So weird how the requirements for the Heisman go from stats one year, and MVP the next. If McCoy wins it, I hope the sooner fans will have a little humility and realize HOW HARRELL GOT ****ED.

[OPSEC]

I'm also tired of this "McCoy did more with less" garbage. Texass and Florida both recruit just as well as us. The difference is, we develop our players.

I agree. Whatever happend to the winner goes the spoils? Anyone who watches college football knows that most of the EOY awards generally go to the top 5 teams. (with your accepted anomolies of course)

We might not as well recruit anymore and hope a "stud" comes out of it and then WE can root for him to win the Heisman.

[SoonerInFla]

So, this guy's gonna penalize Bradford for having good players around him?

Get A Rope!

[AlbqSooner]

I've voted for the Heisman Trophy every year since 2004. I've always believed it should go to the player who takes his team to heights it couldn't come close reaching without him.

Interesting reason. However, the Downtown Athletic Club says the award is presented to the best college football player in America. On this basis, I have to agree that Shinn is a ****** bag.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

So, this guy's gonna penalize Bradford for having good players around him?

Get A Rope!Brevity is the soul of wit, or however that goes.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

I will never read or purchase a Transcript ever again...

[SoonerTroll]

Man if the internet didn't exist and I actually still had to have subscriptions to newspapers, i would cancel it ;)

[meoveryouxinfinity]

based on that, Robert Griffin should've been given the nod.

[47straight]

Meanwhile, at the Austin American Stateman, all journalists are on 24-hour bitch and whine mode.

[bluedogok]

The Heisman no longer goes to the "best player in college football", it goes to the marquis player on the highest ranked teams. All three this season are QB's on the top 3 teams. Tebow wasn't the best player last season, he put up ridiculous stats but McFadden was a better player but since Arkansas was a weekly soap opera and wasn't a top 10 team he didn't stand a very good chance. There is no way a John Capilletti or maybe even a Barry Sanders could win in the current Heisman-media environment.

The Heisman to me used to mean something but is no more important than any of the other 40 or so awards out there now. Great if Sam wins it, no big deal to me if the others do.

[boomersooner28]

OK, I HAVE TO GET THIS OUT. JUST THIS ONE TIME. HEY JACKHOLES. ABOUT THIS "SAM HAS MORE TALENT BS". WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME OU HAD A TOP RECRUITING CLASS? TEXAS OUT RECRUITS US EVERY YEAR....EVERY YEAR. FLORIDA HAS HAD THE TOP CLASS SINCE URBAN HAS BEEN THERE. THE ONLY REASON PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT OUR TALENT IS THE FACT THAT SAM IS A FRICKIN STUD. THE ONLY REASON THAT PEOPLE KNOW WHO OUR RECEIVERS OUR IS BECAUSE THE BEST PLAYER IN THE COUNTRY IS THROWING IT TO THEM. MAKE SINCE? WHAT IF SAMMY WENT OUT AND THREW 29 TDS INSTEAD OF 48. DO YOU THINK WE WOULD HAVE GOTTEN ANY PUB ABOUT HOW GOOD THE CREW IS AROUND SAMMY? NO. THE CREW IS GOOD BECAUSE SAMMY IS GOOD. HE MAKES THE RIGHT DECISIONS AND HE AN ACCURATE PASSER. HE DOES THE LITTLE THINGS THAT MAKE OFFENSIVE EXECUTION WORK. HE LOOKS THE SAFETY OFF. HE GETS RID OF THE BALL ON TIME. HE DOESN'T THROW INTO DOUBLE COVERAGE (VERY OFTEN :) )


SO, YOU STILL BELIEVE HE ONLY PUT UP THESE NUMBERS BECAUSE OF THE TALENT AROUND HIM? YOU WANT TO HOLD THE BEST PLAYER IN COLLEGE FOOTBALL ACCOUNTABLE AND NOT GIVE HIM THE HEISMAN BECAUSE HE HAS THE MOST TALENT AROUND HIM? HONESTLY? THAT IS A JOKE IN MY MIND. THAT IS A COP OUT.

[JLEW1818]

Tebow lost to an unranked team at home. (at the time)

[GottaHavePride]

You know what?

I'm gonna complain to the Transcript.

And NOT because he voted for McCoy. The guy can vote for whoever he wants. That's how it works.

I'm gonna complain because the guy is a TERRIBLE WRITER. Seriously, I lost count of how many grammatical errors, incorrect words, or just flat-out missing words were in (or not in, as the case may be) that article.

Fire his *** because he's a ****ty writer, NOT because he voted for someone we don't want to win.

[JLEW1818]

People say you have to draw the line somewhere (mostly ESPN). Well Bradford lost to McCoy so he should be out.... Well **** what about Tebow losing to an unranked OleMiss? Give me a damn break ESPN.

Oh by the way, if I had a chance to kill Mark May, I would.

[jkm, the stolen pifwafwi]

i'd be okay with this guy's vote, if his pick made sense according to his logic. if his vote is about the guy who propelled his team to the greatest heights, shouldn't that ball state QB be #1 on the ballot? maybe someone from utah or from boise state?

and as for the talent debate, if he's covered OU for any length of time he should know that individually, this isn't the best OU team we've had under stoops. you can name just about any position and you could argue we've had better players in previous seasons. this team just has a LOT of very good players.

as for mccoy's talent, shipley and cosby are much more skilled than our receivers, while our guys are a notch above athletically. cosby is the best zone sitter i've ever seen. the guy might have a decent career in the NFL and never run anything but an option route. shipley just understands space.

[bluedogok]

People say you have to draw the line somewhere (mostly ESPN). Well Bradford lost to McCoy so he should be out.... Well **** what about Tebow losing to an unranked OleMiss? Give me a damn break ESPN.

Oh by the way, if I had a chance to kill Mark May, I would.
Does that mean that Jevan Snead wins it? :D


Yep, Shipley was a pretty highly recruited guy down here, he was Stephen McGee's goto guy at Burnet when McGee was throwing the ball all over the place. His injuries the first two seasons caused him to drop off the map, after watching him in high school I always expected him to be a more athletic Wes Welker type guy.

[JLEW1818]

I'd rather Tebow win it before McCoy, I just don't want to listen to hornfans.

[badger]

Guys, leave him alone.

For the following reasons :)

1- Do not call and say you're canceling your subscription. We all know that you only read it online, anyway. Besides, caller ID says you're not living in Norman and they don't deliver outside of it really (except to Noble and Purcell).

2- Do not call in with complaints, death threats or hate mail. That just shows that you read it and that is what is most important to writers - that they are being read.

3- Let he who has complained about Florida or Texas writers voting for Bradford cast the first stone. Being a sportswriter in Oklahoma is not a prerequisite to voting for Bradford, thus it shouldn't be required that they only support local talent.

4-The Heisman is not the most important thing to Sam. Sam wants a championship. The second a sportswriter votes for another team to be champion, THEN we can follow through with complaints.

5-One vote will not matter. The closest Heisman races have not come down to a single vote, and this column will not influence any other voters (because ballots were due almost a week ago!).

6- Your mother is a hamster. Calling Shinn a d00shebag is not helping anyone's cause except for the "Oklahoma fans are d00shebags" crowd. Insulting him will not change his vote, nor change the fact that Sam is the greatest QB in the nation playing for the greatest team.

So, for all reasons above, let it go, knock it off, and drink to Sam's Heisman between the hours of 7 and 8 tonight - Oklahoma time, of course :)

[SoonerMom2]

You know what?

I'm gonna complain to the Transcript.

And NOT because he voted for McCoy. The guy can vote for whoever he wants. That's how it works.

I'm gonna complain because the guy is a TERRIBLE WRITER. Seriously, I lost count of how many grammatical errors, incorrect words, or just flat-out missing words were in (or not in, as the case may be) that article.

Fire his *** because he's a ****ty writer, NOT because he voted for someone we don't want to win.

He is one of the worst writers I have seen. I agree with you 100%!

[Jdog]

This isn't meant to be a knock on Joey H. but do people really think that he could have taken us to a nat'l title game?

I'm tired of hearing how little support McCoy had this year - Didn't some Texas players like Q Cosby play in their last title game?

After the OU game I heard ESPN commentators talk about how great Oline, receivers, and running backs were and that they had the best D in the big 12. So ok, which is it - Is Texas is all about McCoy - or do they have a good team?

[goingoneight]

The best argument for McCoy is that he could successfully run any of OU, Florida or Texas (obviously) offense because of his abilities. With no one else worth mentioning around McCoy on the UT offense, it's easy to see he's one of the most consistent playmakers not only this year but the last three years at UT.

Problem is people just keep assuming two things. They keep assuming that the OU/TX game was a beatdown when it was a barn-burner where nothing went right for OU, but Sam still out-performed Colt. The also assume that Bradford's a system guy, but not even a former Heisman trophy winner (Jason White) could put up the numbers in fifth and sixth year senior seasons Bradford put up as a freshman and sophomore. If you want to make it an MVP award, we're 0-1 without Bradford the last two years and neither Paul Thompson nor Rhett Bomar could sniff the success Sam has had number-wise.

Think about it... if you were told in the preseason we'd give up 31 to Kansas, 41 to OSU, 28 to Nebraska, 28 at College Station and 26 versus the Big East Champion Cincinnati... with Joey Halzle at QB... how many wins would we have? This is with all due respect to Colt, Joey, Jason and everyone else mentioned above. All Bradford's done, even in his worst game is play well since he's been here. We keep putting more and more on his plate, and somehow he keeps delivering. That's not a system guy, that's not just some guy playing with great talent around him, that's a great player... period.


Then you have Tebow... say what you want, but he's earned his way to NY, too. As far as toughness goes, he's as tough and strong as Adrian Peterson was, and he plays QB... pretty well I might add. He's a great leader and I promise you UF is nothing better than 5-7 Auburn without him.

[OU_Sooners75]

Bet you won't find a sportswriter in Austin who didn't vote for McCoy or Gainesville who didn't vote for Tebow. Figures the Norman Transcript would hire someone that would support a Longhorn for Heisman over Sam Bradford who hails from Oklahoma. Maybe Shinn should go to work for the Austin American Statesman!

Does it bother you that much that a guy from Norman voted for McCoy?

It isn't the first time he voted for someone outside of Norman, so get over it.

[OU_Sooners75]

You know what?

I'm gonna complain to the Transcript.

And NOT because he voted for McCoy. The guy can vote for whoever he wants. That's how it works.

I'm gonna complain because the guy is a TERRIBLE WRITER. Seriously, I lost count of how many grammatical errors, incorrect words, or just flat-out missing words were in (or not in, as the case may be) that article.

Fire his *** because he's a ****ty writer, NOT because he voted for someone we don't want to win.

To be honest, you should call for the editor that put it in the paper without correcting any mistakes.

The writer's job is to writer. the editors is to edit for grammar errors and content. Yes, the writer should be better, but if he wrote it in haste, there are naturally going to be errors.

Some of you here need to get over yourselves.

[badger]

Some of you here need to get over yourselves.

I wasn't going to go that far, but something tells me everyone will be over it come 8 p.m. (Oklahoma time) tonight :)

And if you aren't, then you're actually a Longhorn still complaining that you didn't go to the Big 12 or National Championship :eek:

Oh no she didn't! :eek:

Oh yes I did! :P

[stoopified]

Bradford threw for 48, not 53...yet.

SSShhhh,don't tell anyone but this guy is psychic. :)

[Piware]

Isn't it a good thing Mr. Shinn's peer group has more sense than he does? Well, dude, congratulations on your conscience vote and I hope you feel like the doofus you have been exposed for.

Perhaps you and Andrea What's Her Face from the Tulsa World can meet in Stroud for cocktails and discuss journalistic standards. Wouldn't go near the OU locker room for a while as it may be a little chilly in there.

[rubyspirit]

This guy is stupid and shouldn't have a vote. Major bonkers

[badger]

LET. IT. GO.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/12/14/sports/14heisman.xlarge4.jpg

One more time?

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/12/14/sports/14heisman.xlarge4.jpg

Let it go. :)

[RedstickSooner]

Was this copy and pasted from the original article? It's badly copy-edited, if so.

[MamaMia]

This guy is an idiot. I guarantee you that if Sam had been playing for Texas, they would be playing in the National Championship game instead of us.

This person should resign or be terminated from the Norman Transcript for being stupid and get a job in Austin as a whine consultant.

[MissouriSooner]

The best argument for McCoy is that he could successfully run any of OU, Florida or Texas (obviously) offense because of his abilities. With no one else worth mentioning around McCoy on the UT offense, it's easy to see he's one of the most consistent playmakers not only this year but the last three years at UT.

Problem is people just keep assuming two things. They keep assuming that the OU/TX game was a beatdown when it was a barn-burner where nothing went right for OU, but Sam still out-performed Colt. The also assume that Bradford's a system guy, but not even a former Heisman trophy winner (Jason White) could put up the numbers in fifth and sixth year senior seasons Bradford put up as a freshman and sophomore. If you want to make it an MVP award, we're 0-1 without Bradford the last two years and neither Paul Thompson nor Rhett Bomar could sniff the success Sam has had number-wise.

Think about it... if you were told in the preseason we'd give up 31 to Kansas, 41 to OSU, 28 to Nebraska, 28 at College Station and 26 versus the Big East Champion Cincinnati... with Joey Halzle at QB... how many wins would we have? This is with all due respect to Colt, Joey, Jason and everyone else mentioned above. All Bradford's done, even in his worst game is play well since he's been here. We keep putting more and more on his plate, and somehow he keeps delivering. That's not a system guy, that's not just some guy playing with great talent around him, that's a great player... period.


Then you have Tebow... say what you want, but he's earned his way to NY, too. As far as toughness goes, he's as tough and strong as Adrian Peterson was, and he plays QB... pretty well I might add. He's a great leader and I promise you UF is nothing better than 5-7 Auburn without him.

Well said.

[47straight]

Still waiting for any approximate level of fair reporting out of Austin.

[Suppressor]

Threads like this make me wonder how anyone here can complain about the whining that Texass fans are doing when you are posting crybaby drivel like this. Face it, the dude thought McCoy did more for his team than Sam did for OU. I bleed Crimson and Cream, but I can appreciate the fact that he went with the person he felt was truly deserving of the Heisman. The fact that I don't agree with his vote doesn't mean he's a ****-bag, it means we have differing opinions.

Not everyone who disagrees with you is a ****-bag people.

[Flagstaffsooner]

Not everyone who disagrees with you is a ****-bag people.

But you are.

[MamaMia]

Threads like this make me wonder how anyone here can complain about the whining that Texass fans are doing when you are posting crybaby drivel like this. Face it, the dude thought McCoy did more for his team than Sam did for OU. I bleed Crimson and Cream, but I can appreciate the fact that he went with the person he felt was truly deserving of the Heisman. The fact that I don't agree with his vote doesn't mean he's a ****-bag, it means we have differing opinions.

Not everyone who disagrees with you is a ****-bag people.I don't think I like your tone mister. :cool:

You would make a good horn. :texan:

[sooner59]

This just in: John Shinn endorses the nuclear attack of Iran.

[Flagstaffsooner]

I don't think I like your tone mister. :cool:

You would make a good horn. :texan:Honey, you misspelled whorn.;)

[Flagstaffsooner]

This just in: John Shinn endorses the nuclear attack of Iran.So do I.

[MamaMia]

Honey, you misspelled whorn.;)
Are you gonna spank me? http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y86/OUmom/shy02.gif

[Flagstaffsooner]

Are you gonna spank me? http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y86/OUmom/shy02.gifPull your panties down.:D

[SicEmBaylor]

based on that, Robert Griffin should've been given the nod.

We're blessed to have Griffin at Baylor, but there's no doubt in my mind he'd get a Heisman at some point in his career if he were at a better program like OU or UT. The man is absolutely amazing.

[S.PadreIsl.Sooner]

I'm also tired of this "McCoy did more with less" garbage. Texass and Florida both recruit just as well as us. The difference is, we develop our players.

I agree wholeheartedly. I'll even go a step further.

Colt did more with less? Are you kidding me? Texas doesn't recruit, they select. They are always tops in the recruiting bowls. The truth is, Mack and Co. does less with more.