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KC//CRIMSON
12/10/2008, 04:27 PM
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Let's get right to it: The first Guns n' Roses album of new, original songs since the first Bush administration is a great, audacious, unhinged and uncompromising hard-rock record. In other words, it sounds a lot like the Guns n' Roses you know. At times, it's the clenched-fist five that made 1987's perfect storm, Appetite for Destruction; more often, it's the one sprawled across the maxed-out CDs of 1991's Use Your Illusion I and II, but here compressed into a convulsive single disc of supershred guitars, orchestral fanfares, hip-hop electronics, metallic tabernacle choirs and Axl Rose's still-virile, rusted-siren singing.

If Rose ever had a moment's doubt or repentance over what Chinese Democracy has cost him in time (13 years), money (14 studios are listed in the credits) and body count — including the exit of every other founding member of the band — he left no room for it in these 14 songs. "I bet you think I'm doin' this all for my health," Rose cracks through the saturation-bombing guitars in "I.R.S.," one of several glancing references on the album to what he knows a lot of people think of him: that Rose, now 46, has spent the last third of his life running off the rails, in half-light. But when he snaps, "All things are possible/I am unstoppable," in the thumper "Scraped," that's not loony hubris — just a good old rock & roll "**** you," the kind that made him and the old band hot and famous in the first place.

Something else Rose broadcasts over and over on Chinese Democracy: Restraint is for suckers. There is plenty of familiar guitar firepower — the stabbing-dagger lick that opens the first track, "Chinese Democracy," the sand-devil fuzz in "Riad N' the Bedouins" and the looping squeals over the grand anguish of "Street of Dreams." But what Slash and Izzy Stradlin used to do with two guitars now takes a wall of 'em. On some tracks, Rose has up to five guys — Robin Finck, Buckethead, Paul Tobias, Ron "Bumblefoot" Thal and Richard Fortus — riffing and soloing in broad, saw-toothed blurs. And that's no drag. I still think the wild, superstuffed "Oh My God" — the early Chinese Democracy track wasted on the 1999 End of Days soundtrack — beats everything on Guns n' Roses' 1993 covers album, The Spaghetti Incident?

Most of these songs also go through multiple U-turns in personality, as if Rose kept trying new approaches to a hook or a bridge and then decided, "What the hell, they're all cool." "Better" starts with what sounds like hip-hop voicemail — severely pinched guitar, drum machine and a near-falsetto Rose ("No one ever told me when/I was alone/They just thought I'd know better") — before blowing up into vintage Sunset Strip wallop. "If the World" has Buckethead plucking acoustic Spanish guitar over a blaxploitation-film groove, while Rose shows that he still holds a long-breath vowel — part torture victim, part screaming jet — like no other rock singer.

And there is so much going on in "There Was a Time" — strings and Mellotron, a full-strength choir and Rose's overdubbed sour-growl harmonies, wah-wah guitar and a false ending (more choir) — that it's easy to believe Rose spent most of the past decade on that arrangement alone. But it is never a mess, more like a loud mass of bad memories and hard lessons. In the first lines, Rose goes back to a beginning much like his own — "Broken glass and cigarettes/ Writin' on the wall/It was a bargain for the summer/An' I thought I had it all" — then piles on the wreckage along with the orchestra and guitars. By the end, it's one big melt of missing and kiss-off ("If I could go back in time . . . But I don't want to know it now"). If this is the Guns n' Roses that Rose kept hearing in his head all this time, it is obvious why two guitars, bass and drums were never going to be enough.

It is plain, too, that he thinks this Guns n' Roses is a band, as much as the one that recorded "Welcome to the Jungle," "Sweet Child O' Mine," "Used to Love Her" and "Civil War." The voluminous credits that come with Chinese Democracy certainly give detailed credit where it is due. My favorite: "Initial arrangement suggestions: Youth on 'Madagascar." Rose takes the big one — "Lyrics N' Melodies by Axl Rose" — but shares full-song bylines with other players on all but one track. Bassist Tommy Stinson plays on nearly every song, and keyboardist Dizzy Reed, the only survivor from the Illusion lineup, does the Elton John-style piano honors on "Street of Dreams."

But Rose still sings a lot about the power of sheer, solitary will even when he throws himself into a bigger fight, like "Chinese Democracy." In "Madagascar," which Rose has played live for several years now, he samples both Dr. Martin Luther King's "I have a dream" speech and dialogue from Cool Hand Luke. And at the end of the album, on the bluntly titled "Prostitute," Rose veers from an almost conversational tenor, over a ticking-bomb shuffle, to five-guitar barrage, orchestral lightning and righteous howl: "Ask yourself/Why I would choose/To prostitute myself/To live with fortune and shame." To him, the long march to Chinese Democracy was not about paranoia and control. It was about saying "I won't" when everyone else insisted, "You must." You may debate whether any rock record is worth that extreme self-indulgence. Actually, the most rock & roll thing about Chinese Democracy is he doesn't care if you do. Rating:http://www.soonerfans.com/forums/images/rating/rating_4.gif


After giving this several go-rounds in the iPod I have to say this is a great great hard rock album. If you can get over the fact that it's not 1987 and it's not the same original line-up, this might just be your next download.

Axl's voice is unreal. He still has the range and then some, unbelievable for a guy who's knockin' the door of fifty.
This cd also features some top shelf musicianship. From what I'm reading there are five guitar players who share the bulk of the work along with Tommy Stinson on bass and McBrain on drums. Listen to this with a good pair of headphones, it's out of this world good.:cool:

soonerboomer93
12/10/2008, 04:45 PM
i thought Froze said it was Crap

(okay, difficult to listen through)

OklahomaTuba
12/10/2008, 05:44 PM
yawn

tbl
12/10/2008, 09:45 PM
That first single is crap.

KC//CRIMSON
12/10/2008, 09:50 PM
Yep, just about as well as I thought it would go.....

Veritas
12/10/2008, 09:52 PM
I've not heard it yet. It's not on Rhapsody and I don't want to steal it. The first single was laughably awful so I'm a bit reticent to spend $15 on something that is rumored to suck.

KC//CRIMSON
12/10/2008, 10:01 PM
I've not heard it yet. It's not on Rhapsody and I don't want to steal it. The first single was laughably awful so I'm a bit reticent to spend $15 on something that is rumored to suck.


Almost all of your top music source reviews have it rated high to very high. Rolling Stone, Spin, EWeekly, Time, etc....Most of the bad reviews are right here on the South Oval, of course!

tbl
12/11/2008, 11:21 AM
Dude, one cannot argue that the first single is crap. I'm very surprised you like it b/c typically you have some considerable music cred.

soonerboomer93
12/11/2008, 12:22 PM
I trust SO review far more then i trust paid reviews in music mags

Cam
12/11/2008, 09:21 PM
In other words, it sounds a lot like the Guns n' Roses you know.

Is this for real, or are you takin the **** out of us?

I've only listened to it once, so I need to give it a few more spins before I make up my mind. But off the first listen, I'd say it was nowhere near what GnR started out being.

I'll keep an open mind and listen to it more tomorrow.

KC//CRIMSON
12/11/2008, 10:08 PM
Is this for real, or are you takin the **** out of us?

I've only listened to it once, so I need to give it a few more spins before I make up my mind. But off the first listen, I'd say it was nowhere near what GnR started out being.

I'll keep an open mind and listen to it more tomorrow.


That's the Rolling Stone Review, and I think there are some similarities to AFD and more so from UYI I&II. IMO

SteelCitySooner
12/12/2008, 12:41 AM
I think I've already won the award for the first SO poster to like it. :) It takes several listens though, and it's NOTHING like the GnR from Appetite, so if that's what you want, pass this up. It's closer to Use Your Illusion 1 and 2 than anything else, but even that's a stretch. 'Better' is probably the best track on it.

KC//CRIMSON
12/12/2008, 01:01 PM
I think I've already won the award for the first SO poster to like it. :) It takes several listens though, and it's NOTHING like the GnR from Appetite, so if that's what you want, pass this up. It's closer to Use Your Illusion 1 and 2 than anything else, but even that's a stretch. 'Better' is probably the best track on it.


"If The World"
"Better"
"Madagascar"

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Cam
12/12/2008, 02:20 PM
That's the Rolling Stone Review, and I think there are some similarities to AFD and more so from UYI I&II. IMO

I thought I had seen that review somewhere before, but wasn't sure.

To me AfD grabbed you by the balls from the first track and only tightened as it went. This one fondles a little bit, tightens on a couple tracks and then lets go all together on others.

I would agree that "Better" is probably the best track.

Like I said, I need to give it a couple more listens before I make up my mind. AfD had me the first time I listened to it.

Boarder
12/12/2008, 02:28 PM
To me AfD grabbed you by the balls from the first track and only tightened as it went. This one fondles a little bit, tightens on a couple tracks and then lets go all together on others.

I don't know, by that description I'd have to say the new cd sounds more appealing. :rcmad:

SteelCitySooner
12/12/2008, 11:11 PM
"Sorry" is another one I really liked. The last 45 seconds of it is pretty intense.