Tim Tebow vs Sam Bradford vs Colt McCoy--Look at this!

[The_Red_Patriot]

Sam's passing stats: 168-244-2450 with 27 TDs and 4 interceptions
Tim's passing stats: 160-246-2299 with 25 TDs and 2 interceptions
Colt's passing stats: 186-232-2142 with 19 TDs and 3 interceptions
Graham's passing stats: 228-327-2567 with 25 TDs and 5 interceptions

Tim's stats are for the whole year

The rest of the guys are stats from the FIRST HALF OF THE SEASON.

Your Thoughts?

[IowaSooner26]

I think that it is rediculous that Tebow is even being considered for the heisman. Everyone talks about how he wills his team to victory but where was he when Ole Miss came to town. A real heisman winner in my eyes shows up for the entire season, not after they get beat at home.

[JLEW1818]

Tebow lost at home, no other Heisman candidates did that.

[Hot Rod]

Tebow lost at home, no other Heisman candidates did that.

...but...but...he's a leader! :rolleyes:

[AZSOONER]

Yeah the leader talk is crap. All QB's are leaders, it's part of the job, and if you're playing in the national title game, your QB had a lot to do with it.

[Cappy]

b.b.b...but he promised they would play hard ;)

[Paperclip]

It's a little silly to discount Tebow and Colt's rushing numbers.

[The_Red_Patriot]

I agree...this was sent to me as a game..no names were given.

I actually picked Tim Tebow which was player B...then I found out those were just stats from the 1st half of the season.

I would Take Colt over Tebow....

[IowaSooner26]

Rushing Numbers:

Tebow: 154 attempts for 564 yds and 12 TDS
Bradford: 40 attempts for 65 yds and 5 TDS
McCoy: 128 attempts for 576 yds and 10 TDS
Harrell: 35 attempts for -58 yds and 6 TDS

Still think Tebow shouldn't be in it. Bradford made up for any loss in rushing by passing for way more. Hell even Colt had a better year than Tebow and most think it is down to Bradford and Tebow for the most part.

[GatorTD]

Sam's passing stats: 168-244-2450 with 27 TDs and 4 interceptions
Tim's passing stats: 160-246-2299 with 25 TDs and 2 interceptions
Colt's passing stats: 186-232-2142 with 19 TDs and 3 interceptions
Graham's passing stats: 228-327-2567 with 25 TDs and 5 interceptions

Tim's stats are for the whole year

The rest of the guys are stats from the FIRST HALF OF THE SEASON.

Your Thoughts?

its kind of interesting to think about. It makes me wonder what Timmy's numbers could have been if we had as many pass attempts as OU and Texas.

The one thing that really interested me is looking through the season stats.. Oklahoma ran ALOT more plays per game than Florida all year. There were 1036 passing plays and 922 running plays per game for OU contests (79 passes per game, 70 runs per game). Florida had 800 passes with 826 runs (61 passes, 63 runs). Texas had 868 passes,and 783 runs (72 passes, 65 runs).

So what does any of that mean? Why did Oklahoma and Texas run more plays? The style of teams they faced? Were teams unable to sustain drives, either punting or scoring quickly? The speed in which the offense gets snaps off?

[The_Red_Patriot]

Colt>Tebow

[ClintonSooner]

Colt>Tebow

your right on, my man

[Paperclip]

So what does any of that mean? Why did Oklahoma and Texas run more plays? The style of teams they faced? Were teams unable to sustain drives, either punting or scoring quickly? The speed in which the offense gets snaps off?

It's a result of our strategy to give up big kick off returns so we can get the ball back quicker and run more plays.

[TXBOOMER]

Colt>Tebow

Tebow looked damn good to me against Bama. I hope I agree with you after January 8th.

[cvsooner]

its kind of interesting to think about. It makes me wonder what Timmy's numbers could have been if we had as many pass attempts as OU and Texas.

The one thing that really interested me is looking through the season stats.. Oklahoma ran ALOT more plays per game than Florida all year. There were 1036 passing plays and 922 running plays per game for OU contests (79 passes per game, 70 runs per game). Florida had 800 passes with 826 runs (61 passes, 63 runs). Texas had 868 passes,and 783 runs (72 passes, 65 runs).

So what does any of that mean? Why did Oklahoma and Texas run more plays? The style of teams they faced? Were teams unable to sustain drives, either punting or scoring quickly? The speed in which the offense gets snaps off?


Say what? OU averaged 79 plays per game. Florida averaged 61 per game. Check out www.cfbstats.com and read it a bit more closely...I think you're misreading something. OU offense had 1036 total plays over 13 games; OU defense faced 922 plays over 13 games. No way our offense ran 149 plays per game.

Our offense is very fast-paced; sometimes too fast, for the opponents' defense and our own. :) But even we aren't THAT fast.

[TopDawg]

I think all 3 are outstanding. My vote would be Bradford, McCoy, Tebow but I can see putting them in any order.

Bradford put up ridiculous passing numbers and showed he could run when he needed to. McCoy led the #3 team in the nation in passing and rushing. Tebow has solid numbers and is a playmaker. When you consider passing efficiency (which can't really be inflated simply by having more plays as discussed above) he's right there with McCoy and Bradford.

Every time I've watched these guys I've been impressed. Bradford's second half against Texas was bad. McCoy's first half against Texas Tech was bad. I'm sure Tebow had a bad half somewhere in there too...probably the Ole Miss game. But other than that...every time I saw these guys I was thoroughly impressed. Some of the plays Tebow made against a very stout Alabama defense were great. Could Sam or McCoy have made them? Probably so. And Tebow probably could've put up huge passing numbers in the OU or Texas systems too.

The award isn't for "statistically highest ranked player" it's for "most outstanding". It does and should extend beyond just the stats. And all three of them have great "non-statistical" attributes. It's unfortunate that two of them won't win it this year, but it's just one of those years.

[badger]

In the most anti-climatic moment of television, Archie Griffin just announced on ESPN that there are three people being invited to New York for the Heisman presentation:

Sam Bradford.

That's the only name that matters :)

[killa3312]

Tebow has 40 total touchdowns and only 2 INTs on the year. He doesn't have the gaudy passing numbers because Florida doesn't throw the ball nearly as much as Oklahoma or Texas. They are a run first offense, believe it or not.

[soonerfanlv]

Tebow has 40 total touchdowns and only 2 INTs on the year. He doesn't have the gaudy passing numbers because Florida doesn't throw the ball nearly as much as Oklahoma or Texas. They are a run first offense, believe it or not.

They are a run first offense, yet they ran the ball 59 times less than Oklahoma and scored 4 less rushing touchdowns? They must have been focused on being a defensive juggernaut...:rolleyes:

[aurorasooner]

If Sammy wins the Heisman he can be proud that no slimy sports network politicking won it for him, and he won it with his play on the field. I've noticed 2 things. 1) CBS is constantly blowing Tebow. 2) ESPN/ABC was constantly blowing McCoy the week before and during the OSU game, but their blowing started to subside about mid-week before the Big 12 Championship game and ESPN changed to blowing Tebow which has continued even after the Big 12 CC game.
Unlike with the presidential race, polling for this year’s Heisman race suggests a very close finish, with three top contenders, all quarterbacks for the nation’s three top-ranked teams, in the running. Scripps Howard’s final poll showed Texas’s Colt McCoy narrowly ahead. Florida’s Tim Tebow, last year’s winner, is ahead on the ballots collected by Stiff Arm Trophy, but the site so far is projecting a narrow victory for Oklahoma’s Sam Bradford, based on adjustments by the geographical source for the ballots collected so far. (Chisholm won’t make a final projection until Friday night, 24 hours before the winner is announced.) Three other projections are split, with two going to Bradford and one to Tebow.

“I’ve been working on this thing for about 15 years, and it’s the closest I’ve seen it on the final poll,” said John Lindsay, sports editor of Scripps Howard, whose poll showed McCoy ahead with 42 points, Bradford in second with 41 and Tebow holding 34 points. Remarkably, Bradford led McCoy in the prior poll; then McCoy was idle while Bradford threw for 384 yards and two touchdowns on Saturday while leading Oklahoma to the Big 12 championship — and then he was passed in the poll. “It makes absolutely no sense,” said Lindsay, who voted for Bradford.

Votes for the Heisman, like those for political candidates, aren’t always logical. Chisholm said that the early ballots he collects tend to favor underdogs and regional favorites. In some years, these come in even before the regular season is over, but this year, with Tebow and Bradford both active on Saturday, nearly all votes were placed this week. (It’s unclear how or whether recently imprisoned former Heisman winner O.J. Simpson will vote.)

Chisholm acknowledged he was nervous about the balloting. “This will be the year that proves whether my method is a good one,” he said. “There’s not a whole lot to be gained by projecting a landslide.”

Lindsay said that no matter the accuracy of the Scripps poll this year, nor the fate of the financially troubled Rocky, he’ll carry on next year. If the Rocky folds, “I’ll have to try to round up the voters myself,” Lindsay said, adding of the Heisman, “It’s a silly popularity contest, but people just love it.” http://blogs.wsj.com/numbersguy/pollsters-struggle-to-project-heisman-winner-471/

[killa3312]

They are a run first offense, yet they ran the ball 59 times less than Oklahoma and scored 4 less rushing touchdowns? They must have been focused on being a defensive juggernaut...:rolleyes:

Florida averages more YPG rushing the passing so, yes, they are a run first team.

Additionally, Oklahoma averages about 18 more plays per game than Florida (I believe) and Bradford had something like 174 more passing attempts than Tebow over the course of the season.

Numbers are nice, but they aren't everything. I'm not saying Bradford doesn't necessarily deserve the award, but just because Tebow's numbers on the surface aren't as impressive doesn't mean he isn't a worthy candidate. Different offenses, different systems.

[GatorTD]

Say what? OU averaged 79 plays per game. Florida averaged 61 per game. Check out www.cfbstats.com and read it a bit more closely...I think you're misreading something. OU offense had 1036 total plays over 13 games; OU defense faced 922 plays over 13 games. No way our offense ran 149 plays per game.

Our offense is very fast-paced; sometimes too fast, for the opponents' defense and our own. :) But even we aren't THAT fast.

Sorry, the stats I put out were combined plays of the teams and their opponents. Trying to point out that OU's games had a hell of a lot more plays than Florida has. That itself should lead to alot less stats.

[NYC Poke]

its kind of interesting to think about. It makes me wonder what Timmy's numbers could have been if we had as many pass attempts as OU and Texas.

The one thing that really interested me is looking through the season stats.. Oklahoma ran ALOT more plays per game than Florida all year. There were 1036 passing plays and 922 running plays per game for OU contests (79 passes per game, 70 runs per game). Florida had 800 passes with 826 runs (61 passes, 63 runs). Texas had 868 passes,and 783 runs (72 passes, 65 runs).

So what does any of that mean? Why did Oklahoma and Texas run more plays? The style of teams they faced? Were teams unable to sustain drives, either punting or scoring quickly? The speed in which the offense gets snaps off?


A lot of offenses in the Big XII utilized some form of the no-huddle this year. Also, before we inevitably move on to the "Big XII doesn't play defense!" meme, it should also be noted that the prolific offenses in the Big XII are designed to be quick-strike offenses. I'm sure if someone bothered looking up the stats, they'd find that a relatively large percentage of TDs scored by the better offenses in the Big XII were for long yardage. It made for some exciting games this year.

[soonerfanlv]

Florida averages more YPG rushing the passing so, yes, they are a run first team.

Additionally, Oklahoma averages about 18 more plays per game than Florida (I believe) and Bradford had something like 174 more passing attempts than Tebow over the course of the season.

Numbers are nice, but they aren't everything. I'm not saying Bradford doesn't necessarily deserve the award, but just because Tebow's numbers on the surface aren't as impressive doesn't mean he isn't a worthy candidate. Different offenses, different systems.

Sooooo...... What's your point, that Tebow should get the Heisman because he can hand the ball off really good? That Sam is less deserving because he throws more passes? :pop:

[gatorsnmets]

Top 10 Defenses Faced

Tim Tebow 2

Sam Bradford 1

Colt McCoy 0


Top 20 Defenses Faced

Tim Tebow 5

Sam Bradford 1

Colt McCoy 0


Top 50 Defenses Faced

Tim Tebow 10

Sam Bradford 3

Colt McCoy 0


Defenses Ranked Worse than No. 70

Tim Tebow 1

Sam Bradford 8

Colt McCoy 10


Tim Tebow has faced the following defenses (total defense):

No. 3 Alabama

No. 4 Tennessee

No. 11 South Carolina

No. 13 FSU

No. 16 Ole Miss

No. 24 Miami

No. 27 Georgia

No. 29 Vanderbilt

No. 37 LSU

No. 38 Kentucky

No. 59 Hawaii

No. 72 Arkansas


Sam Bradford has faced the following defenses:

No. 2 TCU

No. 24 Cincinnati

No. 50 Texas

No. 67 Nebraska

No. 71 Texas Tech

No. 85 Oklahoma State

No. 86 Baylor

No. 91 Missouri

No. 96 Kansas

No. 108 Washington

No. 113 Texas A&M

No. 117 Kansas State


Colt McCoy has faced the following defenses:

No. 66 Oklahoma

No. 71 Texas Tech

No. 72 Arkansas

No. 78 Colorado

No. 85 Oklahoma State

No. 86 Baylor

No. 91 Missouri

No. 96 Kansas

No. 113 Texas A&M

No. 114 Rice

No. 115 UTEP

[soonerfanlv]

Strength of Schedule

1. OU
2. FSU
3. UGA
4. FL
5. Arky
6. Texas
7. OSU

[soonerboomer93]

Tebow has 40 total touchdowns and only 2 INTs on the year. He doesn't have the gaudy passing numbers because Florida doesn't throw the ball nearly as much as Oklahoma or Texas. They are a run first offense, believe it or not.

Oklahoma has 2 1000+ yard rushers

[MI Sooner]

Tebow is a great player, but this "wills his team to win" crap is getting a little tired. Not so much because of the Ole Miss loss (although that does factor in), it's because they lost several games last year, including to a Michigan team that dominated them (despite the close score) but lost to Appy St.

[aurorasooner]

NM

[The Preach Man]

He doesn't have the gaudy passing numbers because Florida doesn't throw the ball nearly as much as Oklahoma or Texas. They are a run first offense, believe it or not.

If Sam or Mccoy was at UF they would pass the ball a lot more. Tebow is a great college QB but I dont think he is as good as Harrel from TT. I respectfully think that he is so popular because he is a novelty QB. I also think that is why he won the heisman last year.

I think that if you took the 3 finalist and put each one of them on a mediocre team Tebows would improve the least.

Let it be said, I think that Tebow is a great college QB.

[catsigater]

This thread is amusing, because you'll find almost the exact same comments from our opponents before every game.

"Tim's a good (or great) player, but he ain't all that"... etc. "He couldn't get it done against Ole Miss." "Wait 'till our 'D' punches him in the mouth."

And on and on.

Then, after they've been steamrolled and left confused and wondering what hit them, we hear...


"He's a great competitor, no doubt," Saban said. "He takes his team on his shoulders. His leadership is something that really affects his teammates, and they respect him tremendously. They have a lot of confidence that he is going to make the plays."


“He deserves to be mentioned again for the Heisman,” said Bowden, who compared Tebow to legendary fullback Bronco Nagurski. “I don’t know if I’ve ever seen a better leader. … He directed everything out there. He’s a tremendous player and a tremendous leader.”

You get the idea.

Can't wait to hear Stoops give Tebow his obeisance.

[OK2LA]

What happens if there is a 3 way tie?

[The Preach Man]

This thread is amusing, because you'll find almost the exact same comments from our opponents before every game.

"Tim's a good (or great) player, but he ain't all that"... etc. "He couldn't get it done against Ole Miss." "Wait 'till our 'D' punches him in the mouth."

And on and on.

Then, after they've been steamrolled and left confused and wondering what hit them, we hear...





You get the idea.

Can't wait to hear Stoops give Tebow his obeisance.

What did the Ole Miss coach say about him after that game???
:pop:

[KC//CRIMSON]

Sam Bradford - 2008 . 190.97 .. 268 / 393 . 68.2 .. 4080 .. 46 .. 6

Past 10 Winners ............. Efficiency.......Comp / Att ..... Pct ..... Yds ..... TD ... Int

Tim Tebow ----- 2007 172.46 .... 234 / 350 ... 66.9 ..3286 .. 32 ... 6
Troy Smith ----- 2006 161.91 .... 203 / 311 ... 65.3 ..2542 .. 30 ... 6
Matt Leinart ---- 2004 156.54 .... 269/ 412 ... 65.3 ..3322 .. 33 ... 6
Jason White ---- 2003 158.11 .... 278 / 451 ... 61.6 ..3846 .. 40 .. 10
Carson Palmer -- 2002 149.08 .... 309 / 489 ... 63.2 ..3942 .. 33 .. 10
Eric Crouch ---- 2001 124.31 .....105 / 189 ... 55.6 ..1510 .. 7 ... 10
Chris Weinke --- 2000 163.09 .... 266 / 431 ... 61.7 ..4167 .. 33 .. 11
Danny Wuerffel - 1996 170.6 ..... 207 / 360 ... 57.5 ..3625 .. 39 .. 13
Charlie Ward --- 1993 157.84 .....264 / 380 ... 69.5 ..3032 .. 27 ... 4
Gino Toretta --- 1992 132.8 ...... 228 / 402 ... 56.7 ..3060 .. 19 ... 7


game over.

[catsigater]

What did the Ole Miss coach say about him after that game???
:pop:

Dunno, my guess is it was something like: I got a $700,000 raise after we beat the Gators. I'm sure as hell glad we don't have to face him now.

[soonerfanlv]

Dunno, my guess is it was something like: I got a $700,000 raise after we beat the Gators. I'm sure as hell glad we don't have to face him now.

My guess is he said, "Thankfully I won't have to play that Bradford kid.":D

[SanDiegoSoonerGal]

What happens if there is a 3 way tie?

It depends on who has the best airplane banner.

[Dizzle Shizzle]

This thread is amusing, because you'll find almost the exact same comments from our opponents before every game.

"Tim's a good (or great) player, but he ain't all that"... etc. "He couldn't get it done against Ole Miss." "Wait 'till our 'D' punches him in the mouth."

And on and on.

Then, after they've been steamrolled and left confused and wondering what hit them, we hear...





You get the idea.

Can't wait to hear Stoops give Tebow his obeisance.


Nice usage of the word obeisance

[Soonerinatex]

Tebow has NOT done enough this year to join the ranks of Archie G.

Had Florida had a perfect season this year... maybe a repeat.

With the caliber of competition in Sam and McCoy (not to mention the stats), I don't think anyone can rationalize a repeat. The fact that he won last year hurts his chances this year.

[Crucifax Autumn]

Well, Tebow's obviously better...he can throw a jump pass!

[NYC Poke]

Top 10 Defenses Faced
[Stats]



Hey don't just take my word for it.


Glance at the numbers, and Oklahoma’s defense doesn’t seem all that special. The Sooners allow 24.8 points a game and allow 249.7 yards through the air, a mark that ranks fifth in the Big 12.

It’s misleading, though, to judge Oklahoma’s defense by statistics. The same goes for any defense that competes in the Big 12. The numbers are skewed, distorted and in need of an asterisk. No conference in the country features as many potent offenses as the ones the Sooners have faced this fall.

Texas’ Colt McCoy and Texas Tech’s Graham Harrell join Bradford as Heisman hopefuls. Todd Reesing (Kansas) and Zac Robinson (Oklahoma State) would be all-league selections in the ACC or Big East. Chase Daniel is the all-time leading passer in Missouri history.

Oklahoma beat all of them, save McCoy. On the season the Sooners have faced six teams that rank among the Top 20 nationally in total offense. Meanwhile, Florida, Oklahoma’s next opponent, boasts just two Top 25 wins (against Alabama and Georgia).

Playing in the SEC, the Gators haven’t seen an offense anywhere near as good as the ones the Sooners have been playing all season.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=jn-oudefense120608&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[TopDawg]

People...

The stats are nice and all but they don't tell everything. All three of these guys are amazing. If you watch them, they'll make great plays all day long. When they need to drop a deep pass in between the corner and the safety, they do it. When they need to hit a WR in stride on a short crossing route so he can take it the distance, they do it. When they need to pick up a first down with their feet, they do it. When they need to motivate their team to make a play, they do it. They're all three remarkable talents and they all three have put together an impressive Heisman resume. When they leave our campuses, we'd be thrilled to have any one of the other two stepping in.

I say all of this knowing full well that the game of "My Stat is Better Than Your Stat" will continue...but I think it's kinda ridiculous to downplay the success of any of the three finalists. They've all performed wonderfully against top-notch competition and they all would've been extremely successful if transplanted onto one of the other teams.

[OUthunder]

I think that it is rediculous that Tebow is even being considered for the heisman. Everyone talks about how he wills his team to victory but where was he when Ole Miss came to town. A real heisman winner in my eyes shows up for the entire season, not after they get beat at home.

He's a Heisman candidate because ESPN said so.

He should be invited only because he won it last year. If he wins it this year the award is an even bigger joke than most of us already think it is.

[cjames317]

What happens if there is a 3 way tie?

It goes to the highest ranked BCS team leader, of course!

[soonerfan28]

As much as I hate Texas the fact that McCoy has thrown for the % that he has is pretty impressive. I think that it's gonna be a slim win for Bradford in the Heisman race and Tebow will be 3rd. People need to stop hating Bradford for having a good supporting cast and be mad at Mack for not recruiting better skill players.