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GottaHavePride
12/7/2008, 01:30 PM
Is a slight doosh.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&id=3751033&sportCat=ncf

So according to HIS slant on everything, it's FLORIDA who is a lock for the championship game, and WE have to worry about whether the voters will keep us ahead of Texas.

what a turd.

oumartin
12/7/2008, 01:33 PM
#1 in coaches, #1 in computers. OU has sealed it

meoveryouxinfinity
12/10/2008, 07:47 PM
Here's another one I just read. LMFAO.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&id=3753351&sportCat=ncf


Controversy constant along annual twisting BCS path
Forde

By Pat Forde
ESPN.com
(Archive)

Updated: December 7, 2008

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BCS National Championship: Florida Vs. Oklahoma

We should have seen this coming.

The fact that this messy, mesmerizing 2008 football season is scheduled to conclude in Florida should have sent off warning bells clear back before Labor Day. Every four years, the Sunshine State and the ballot box collide in controversy.

In 2000, the presidential election was acrimoniously decided by chads, hanging and otherwise, in Florida. In 2004, the nation's other vital, voter-driven enterprise -- college football -- decided its BCS national championship in Florida's Orange Bowl amid howls of protest from the undefeated team that was excluded, Auburn. And this season, with the BCS championship returning to Florida, a quadrennial quandary has arisen again.

Oklahoma and Florida are in.

Texas is jobbed.

By 0.0181 BCS points, the Longhorns were left out of the national championship party. Nobody understands the formula, but everybody understands that's a small margin.

And everybody should understand that Texas' 10-point, neutral-site victory over the Sooners should have been the deciding factor in splitting the ultra-fine hairs between those Big 12 South rivals. The Longhorns should have been granted the right to club Missouri in that league's title game and play for the big enchilada.

Bob Stoops and the Sooners posted more than 60 points on five straight opponents.

No matter how many late-game, pile-it-on points Bloodthirsty Bob's Sooners scored in recent weeks (a total of 38 in the last half of the last quarter of the past two games, against Oklahoma State and Missouri), they can't erase Texas 45, Oklahoma 35.

On the bright side, this simmering argument between hated rivals has dramatically boosted sales of plane-pulled signs in Big 12 territory. In this economy, that's something to be thankful for.

But it's time for the sniping to stop. That's officially a dead argument today. It's over, even though Bevo Nation isn't likely to stop complaining in this lifetime. When the story of the 2008 season is told, the Great Tiebreaker Debacle simply will be part of the quirky plot that brought us to this point.

And what better time to tell that story than now, looking back one last time before we look forward to an intriguing bowl season?

We wound up here because an overachieving true freshman safety for Texas let a deflected pass slip through his hands and onto the Texas Tech turf at precisely the wrong time. Blake Gideon surely does not deserve the blame for the Longhorns' last-second loss in Lubbock, but his dropped interception stands out as the biggest what-if in a night full of them for the Longhorns.

We wound up here because two running backs with double consonants in their first names -- Shonn (Greene) and Jacquizz (Rodgers) -- got bizzy bouncing two contenders from the unbeaten ranks. The backs went from unknown in August to giant-killers in autumn -- Greene running for 117 yards in Iowa's upset of Penn State, Rodgers for 186 in Oregon State's shocker over USC. Both wound up among the nation's leading rushers. At least the Nittany Lions and Trojans will meet in a pretty awesome consolation game, the Rose Bowl.

Jacquizz Rodgers carried the Beavers to a September upset over the Trojans.

We wound up here because Michigan was history-making terrible -- so bad that it devalued what was supposed to be Utah's signature victory, in the Big House, leaving the undefeated Utes stuck in sixth place in the BCS standings. If the Wolverines were their usual selves, that win would be a huge factor in the computer rankings. Then again, if the Wolverines were their usual selves, they probably would have beaten Utah handily. And Toledo, for that matter.

We wound up here because it didn't matter who played quarterback at Cincinnati or Virginia Tech -- both teams were going to find a way. The Bearcats found a way to win the Big East with a guy who was supposed to be a fourth-stringer (Tony Pike). The Hokies found a way to win the Atlantic Coast Conference with a guy who was supposed to redshirt (Tyrod Taylor).

We wound up here because the Big 12 and the Southeastern Conference dominated this season from opening kickoff to closing argument. Four Big 12 teams at one time or another were ranked in the top two in the USA Today coaches' poll: Oklahoma, Texas, Texas Tech and Missouri. Four SEC teams at one time or another were ranked in the top two: Florida, Alabama, Georgia and LSU. Either a Big 12 team or an SEC team was on top every week of the '08 BCS standings. Either a Big 12 team or an SEC team was ranked No. 1 in each of the past 11 coaches' polls. And either the Big 12 or the SEC will win the national title for the fourth straight season.

We wound up here because of offense, offense, offense in the Big 12. The league has five of the top eight teams nationally in scoring offense, five of the top nine in total offense, five of the top 10 in pass efficiency and four of the top six in fewest punts. (Texas Tech has punted 22 times this season, which is just silly. Especially compared to Michigan's 90.)

We wound up here because of defense, defense, defense in the SEC. The league has five of the top 15 teams nationally in scoring defense, five of the top 15 in total defense and five of the top 17 in rushing defense.

Tim Tebow's steady hand guided the Gators to the BCS title game.

We wound up here because Florida and Oklahoma had the good sense to lose in the first half of the season, then to go on absolute rampages after those losses behind quarterbacks Tim Tebow and Sam Bradford.

We wound up here because only six members of the preseason AP top 10 are still ranked. And only four of them are still in the top 10.

We wound up here because it was a very bad year for coaches who wear orange. Say adios to Phillip Fulmer, Tommy Tuberville, Tommy Bowden and Greg Robinson. Prominent exceptions: Mack Brown and Mike Riley.

We wound up here because it also was a very bad year for African-American coaches. Ty Willingham is out at Washington, Ron Prince at Kansas State, Sylvester Croom at Mississippi State -- and no matter what termination language was used, don't be fooled. All were asked to leave. Only three black head coaches remain in the 120-school FBS, only one at a BCS conference school. That's indefensible, yet somehow tolerated. Shame on college football.

We wound up here because the wrong team from Utah went undefeated -- it was supposed to be BYU. It wound up being the Utes.

We wound up here because the wrong matchup was the Game of the Year. It was supposed to be USC-Ohio State, springboarding the winner to the national title game. It wound up being Texas Tech-Texas -- which, truth be told, also failed to springboard a team to the title game.

We wound up here because East Carolina conquered, collapsed and came back. The Pirates shot into the AP top 15 after upsetting Virginia Tech and West Virginia, plummeted back out after three straight losses, then won six of their final seven to win the Conference USA title.

We wound up here because Notre Dame still hasn't beaten anyone of import since Brady Quinn was playing quarterback.

And finally, we wound up here -- with another December argument -- because it's the natural ending place without a playoff. The beguiling thing about the BCS is that, year to year, you never know where it will spring a leak in logic. A system assigned an impossible task seemingly finds a new way every year to leave America unsatisfied.

But it's always an interesting ride reaching this destination.

Pat Forde is a senior writer for ESPN.com. He can be reached at [email protected].

rainiersooner
12/10/2008, 08:17 PM
By 0.0181 BCS points, the Longhorns were left out of the national championship party. Nobody understands the formula, but everybody understands that's a small margin.

Really, what is so hard to understand about the fact that OU was ranked higher than Texas by the HUMANS in the AP, Coaches, and Harris polls? The "BCS" actually had nothing to do with it, nor did the computers. So annoying....

Stitch Face
12/10/2008, 08:25 PM
Everyone knows the Big XII season ended at the RRS. It's shameless how the Sooners kept on trying for style points by playing other teams after that.

IronHorseSooner
12/10/2008, 09:58 PM
Pat Forde is a MIZZOU guy. He's been on our arses since the Oregon carpfest. He's just PMSing about Booger being 0-4 against us. He should have stayed min Beijing when he covered the Olympics.

Crucifax Autumn
12/10/2008, 10:22 PM
I think maybe HE'S the only one that doesn't understand how the BCS works.

catsigater
12/10/2008, 10:51 PM
Texas did get jobbed.

It's not that OU doesn't deserve to be there, but there's no rational argument for saying they should've gone to the Championship game over Texas.

Either team would have been the "right" choice. And someone was going to get jobbed.

Personally, I feel like OU's the better team right now. I also feel like OU is a much tougher game for us, but Texas beat OU and they have the same record.

If the situation were reversed, you know you'd be saying the same thing.

jwlynn64
12/10/2008, 11:44 PM
... but Texas beat OU and they have the same record.

If the situation were reversed, you know you'd be saying the same thing.

Texas Tech beat Texas and they have the same record. I guess you should have started your post with "Tech got jobbed". Thanks for swallowing ESPN's bait: hook, line and sinker.

BoulderSooner79
12/10/2008, 11:49 PM
I don't know the definition of "getting jobbed", but you imply injustice and that just not true. If the BCS ratings had been different and UT or TT had gone to the CCG, OU would not have gotten jobbed. If we slid to the 7th tie breaker of random drawing, the 2 teams left out would not have gotten jobbed. 3 teams, 1 slot and you have to decide. The Pac10 may have changed, but they used to send the team to the Rose bowl that had been there least recently, so they were not even trying to base it on strength. The conference has the right to set the rules and the teams agree to abide by them up front - you sure can't decide once you get to tie situation.

Crucifax Autumn
12/11/2008, 04:38 AM
It's not that OU doesn't deserve to be there, but there's no rational argument for saying they should've gone to the Championship game over Texas.

Rational argument:

It's the friggin rules!


Irrational argument:

they're whint whorns and don't deserve an appearance in the toilet bowl after the sad spectacle known as Mack Brown and the even more sad display of stupidity, childeshness, and lack of understanding the rules their fans showed over the last few weeks.

If they'd kept their mouths shut they MIGHT have slid inbased on their record, stats, and head to head. Instead they probably lost ground to thos Mack's politicking screwed before and even more ground to those who are anti-media and/or just can't stand that kinda titty-baby attitude by a coach who makes millions.

catsigater
12/11/2008, 12:58 PM
Rational argument:
It's the friggin rules!


Rules are sometimes arbitrary. Appeals to arbitrary rules aren't rational.


Texas Tech beat Texas and they have the same record.

Yeah, I get that. I don't know what's so hard to understand that in the case of a 3-way tie, someone's going to feel like they got screwed.

Texas beat you, so they've got an argument. If TT had gotten in, you'd have an argument, and if Texas had gotten in... well, I think you get the picture.

And thanks for the "welcome." ;)

Hot Rod
12/11/2008, 01:18 PM
Texas beat you, so they've got an argument. If TT had gotten in, you'd have an argument, and if Texas had gotten in... well, I think you get the picture.

If Tech would've gotten in, it would've been because OU lost to OSU and there wouldn't be an argument.

I've stated times before that I wouldn't have been upset if Texas got in. We lost a game, like they did.

meoveryouxinfinity
12/11/2008, 01:25 PM
Texas did get jobbed.

It's not that OU doesn't deserve to be there, but there's no rational argument for saying they should've gone to the Championship game over Texas.

Either team would have been the "right" choice. And someone was going to get jobbed.

Personally, I feel like OU's the better team right now. I also feel like OU is a much tougher game for us, but Texas beat OU and they have the same record.

If the situation were reversed, you know you'd be saying the same thing.


Bloodthirsty Bob's Sooners... that's what gets me.

And then he pulls out these stats about how we ran up the score against OSU and Missouri. Mizzou, okay, yeah, whatever. OSU! WE WERE UP BY THREE POINTS

catsigater
12/11/2008, 03:00 PM
... that's what gets me.

And then he pulls out these stats about how we ran up the score against OSU and Missouri. Mizzou, okay, yeah, whatever. OSU! WE WERE UP BY THREE POINTS

We're used to that at UF (at least since Spurrier arrived). It's just a reality that style points count in the human polls, and sometimes that means running it up.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.