Malcolm Kelly says that this years offense...

[adoniijahsooner]

Would be different if he were a sooner this year. It's hard to tell if he is jealous or stating the truth. What do you think?:pop:

http://newsok.com/malcolm-kelly-ous-offense-wouldnt-be-the-same-if-he-were-still-a-sooner/article/3327929?custom_click=headlines_widget

[JLEW1818]

I think we would be worse, JG would be getting less catches. I like us just fine with out him or Reggie

[IBleedCrimson]

very interesting... Lol

[Partial Qualifier]

"If I was still there, I don't know that we'd be running that same offense," he said.

Yeah, because the offense revolved around you, Malcolm.

my thoughts: :rolleyes:

[noobalicious]

No offense to Mr. Kelly, but I'm happy with the offense and receivers we have. He can enjoy his paycheck for doing jack squat.

[JLEW1818]

This year, we don't have that "one guy", we got 4-5 above average WR. Which I like

[SbOrOiNaEnR]

Hey, I wish I could get paid beaucoup dollars for sitting out 2/3 of my games with injury and trying for my fourth NFL reception. I find it funny that as good a receiver as Malcolm Kelly was, he never reached that transcendent receiver status that it seemed like he coveted so much. And JI is turning out to have a far more amazing OU career than he did.

[adoniijahsooner]

I feel the way I felt when A.D. left for the nfl; hated to see him go, but I knew that KW had to be more versatile and finally use more of his weapons. With malcolm sitting on the sidelines of the colorado game crying about not getting the ball, it is easy to see him being a slight hindrance to sam's growth last year.

[Widescreen]

This year's offense has a much better attitude than last year's and I think a lot of that has to do with the absence of MK. He just seemed mad all the time and it rubbed off on Iglesias.

[oubose]

Very happy with the team we have this year, it's alot easier playing catch with the 4-5 WR we have now. Hated to see him leave but very well replaced.

[My Opinion Matters]

The difference between last year's offense and this year's is pretty simple.

Last year MK was the offense's leader. This year the offensive leader is Sam Bradford. I don't think anything has to be said about who sets a better example from a leadership position.

[JLEW1818]

The difference between last year's offense and this year's is pretty simple.

Last year MK was the offense's leader. This year the offensive leader is Sam Bradford. I don't think anything has to be said about who sets a better example from a leadership position.

True that

[aurorasooner]

No one 1 player is above the team. I like JI and MJ, and especially QC myself. QC has paid his dues. Not the superstar mentality, but the superstar unselfish effort. No crying about not getting enough touches, just celebrating when one or the other (or Broyles,Gresham, QC, DM or CB) get the score.

[BoulderSooner79]

It's true that having a true deep threat would have been one more dimension for this offense. But it seemed that MK made up his mind pretty early last year that he was going pro, so any speculation about "if he were still a sooner" is just talk, as it was never a possibility. If he had stayed and regretted it, the whole team would have regretted it whereas everyone is happy now.

[JLEW1818]

Sam would have less TD passes and more Picks if MK was on the team this year. JMO

[Widescreen]

Seems like at times, MJ has taken up the mantle of the deep threat (wait, wasn't that a porn movie?)

[jkm, the stolen pifwafwi]

i think this year's offense would have been a lot better with MK and here's why...

when he wasn't the main route he'd just jog (which last year guys on this board were okay with), unlike this year when everyone runs routes.

when there is a running play he'd just jog out to make a block and if the running back was about to get tackled he'd hold the guy, unlike this year when we actively block for long runs

when we run to the opposite side of him, he'd just stand in a semi-ready position telegraphing the play.

i wish we had him back...

[cvsooner]

I think part of the reason Sam stopped tossing balls his way so much was a Kevin Wilson decision for the reasons JKM noted, sarcasm aside. And would Jay Norvell have been a better coach for Malcolm than Kevin Sumlin?

[Widescreen]

i think this year's offense would have been a lot better with MK and here's why...

when he wasn't the main route he'd just jog (which last year guys on this board were okay with), unlike this year when everyone runs routes.

when there is a running play he'd just jog out to make a block and if the running back was about to get tackled he'd hold the guy, unlike this year when we actively block for long runs

when we run to the opposite side of him, he'd just stand in a semi-ready position telegraphing the play.

i wish we had him back...

The good old days.

[My Opinion Matters]

Has the fanbase ever turned on a former Sooner faster than it has on MK? Just curious.

[JLEW1818]

I loved MK, just think we are better without

[My Opinion Matters]

Has the fanbase ever turned on a former Sooner faster than it has on MK? Just curious.

*Revision*

Bone-headed ex qb's excluded.

[Widescreen]

I haven't personally "turned on him". I appreciate the contributions he made in his time. I also acknowledge that he had an attitude problem that was, IMO, detrimental to the team.

[cvsooner]

No, some of us were dogging him last year. After the Miami game, it was as if he just didn't care to play anymore, and then after the Colorado game, when he didn't catch a pass, he really didn't care to even keep up a pretense of playing much. It was pretty obvious, imho, he had decided to go pro and was trying not to get himself hurt. Then, of course, ironically he actually did have an injury.

[humblesooner]

LAST year's offense would have been better with him in the second half of the season and bowl game.
He was a stud early, but then appeared to be playing not to get hurt later in the season.

[jkm, the stolen pifwafwi]

Has the fanbase ever turned on a former Sooner faster than it has on MK? Just curious.

i was a pretty vocal critic last year of his miami-like behavior, especially during the aTm game. while i thought he made a mistake going into the draft, i thought that, unlike loftin, it would help our team.

of course, if he came back, we might have gotten a picture of him in the cotton bowl ramp ala randall the thrill hill...

[starclassic tama]

Sam would have less TD passes and more Picks if MK was on the team this year. JMO

getting a little carried away here. how does this even begin to make sense in your head?

[JLEW1818]

Just think that is how it would be. Can't have to much talent on the field at the same time.
So what would Sam have 60 Td passes? No chance.

[starclassic tama]

you're the one who said sam would have less TD's and more picks if kelly was here this year. which makes no sense whatsoever. kelly might have been a primadonna, but he was a freak. you remember 2006 and all those paul thompson ducks that kelly had to dive and snag one handed?

[JLEW1818]

Yep I remember. Don't think Sam could really have better Stats, I just think he would have more picks, because he would throw more long balls to kelly, causing more picks.

[yermom]

as much as it pains me to say it, he kinda reminded me of the way TFRW worked out at Texas...

most of the time in big games he was nowhere to be found

it seemed like he was better with Rhomar

[BoulderSooner79]

I appreciated MK while he was here, but his heart was in the NFL after the season, so it would not have been good for him to come back. I think the biggest thing a deep threat would have done (besides adding a few big plays) would have been to help the running game by forcing safeties to play deeper. Sometimes LBs too. But it didn't have to be MK, just *some* deep threat. I amazed at what we did w/o one and we got plenty of big plays from run-after-catch.

[Curly Bill]

We're a better, more versatile team without him. Glad he's getting paid to play, glad we're doing just great without him.

[TMcGee86]

No way he would have the stamina to run the no-huddle. So he's right, we wouldn't be running this offense with him.

And that's why I'm glad he's a Redskin. Let him be lazy there.

[PLaw]

Would be different if he were a sooner this year. It's hard to tell if he is jealous or stating the truth. What do you think?:pop:

http://newsok.com/malcolm-kelly-ous-offense-wouldnt-be-the-same-if-he-were-still-a-sooner/article/3327929?custom_click=headlines_widget

How would it be different? It can't get much better; therefore, the only direction to go would be down.

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate what Malcolm did for OU while he was here.

That said, this offense is the most prolific in college football history and part of that is due to a great team chemistry.

BOOMER

[jkm, the stolen pifwafwi]

you're the one who said sam would have less TD's and more picks if kelly was here this year. which makes no sense whatsoever. kelly might have been a primadonna, but he was a freak. you remember 2006 and all those paul thompson ducks that kelly had to dive and snag one handed?

it actually does make sense.

High TDs are a result of sustaining drives. High INTs are a result of forcing the ball where it shouldn't (i.e. bad decision making). why sam is successful is that he spreads the ball around and has forever for people to get open. outside of iggy in the first couple of games, every one of the receiver corps busts their hump on every play. it took manuel johnson exploding and then broyles exploding before iggy picked up his intensity. do you really think that would have happened if MK was out there loafing? so you have 2 WRs loafing through routes - how many 3rd down conversions is that going to cost? how many bad decisions under pressure by bradford?

let me give you an example from last year - it was iggy, not MK, but they had the same attitude.

on the last drive the of the colorado game we had to make 4th and 6 to keep the drive alive. joe john and iggy were split to the right side. the play is called to joe john - a 6 yard hitch in the seam between the corner and linebacker. iggy doesn't even bother to do anything on his route, just jogs out so the corner just leaves him and goes to make a play on joe john. he leaves iggy a good 2-3 seconds before the ball is thrown and knocks it down - game over and MNC hopes dashed.

[cvsooner]

S'funny, the thing I kept wondering last year is how good it would have been if AD hadn't left a year early. Can you imagine him and Sam in the same backfield?

Y'know...the Vikings really need a good QB.

[SoonerPr8r]

I just wondered what happened to his great hands when on sunday against the Giants when he got the ball thrown right in the numbers and dropped the ball. I really had hoped he would have emerged as at least a good rookie in the league this year

[Chrisrokc]

Now just think if we had A.D. last season. Wow, things would have been different. But Malcolm? Haha, get real, he isn't "that" great.

[85sooners]

:(

[John Kochtoston]

What did he say that was so awful? We would be running a different offense, or at least going deep more often, if he was here.

Now, whether or not that's a good thing or a bad thing, that's up for debate. But, I don't think he said the O would be better with him there.

Now, I think, talent-wise, there's no question we'd be better. MK would draw a double-team every time he touched the field. That would open up Gresham, the slot receivers, and the running game.

I also think we got into a rut last year that allowed us to overlook some of our more effective weapons, because, when in doubt, Sam would chuck it up to MK, because it worked more often than it didn't.

I think MK also had some attitude problems. I also think the magnitude of those problems was greatly exaggerated.

[TexasEx4OU]

*Revision*

Bone-headed ex qb's and o-lineman excluded.

Fixed.

[sooneron]

We're a better, more versatile team without him. Glad he's getting paid to play, glad we're doing just great without him.

Same here.

[Landthief 1972]

Has the fanbase ever turned on a former Sooner faster than it has on MK? Just curious.

Marcus Dupree?

[OKC-SLC]

let me give you an example from last year - it was iggy, not MK, but they had the same attitude.

on the last drive the of the colorado game we had to make 4th and 6 to keep the drive alive. joe john and iggy were split to the right side. the play is called to joe john - a 6 yard hitch in the seam between the corner and linebacker. iggy doesn't even bother to do anything on his route, just jogs out so the corner just leaves him and goes to make a play on joe john. he leaves iggy a good 2-3 seconds before the ball is thrown and knocks it down - game over and MNC hopes dashed.

you brought this up last year and I looked closely at JI in future games and even in some recorded ones from earlier in the season. You were right then and you are right today. JI and MK ABSOLUTELY took plays off when they weren't coming their way, and they (especially MK) blocked downfield like vaginas.

JI is different this year. Probably in part because MK is gone, and probably in part because there are a lot of WRs playing very hard (MJ, RB, et al.)

[OKC-SLC]

as much as it pains me to say it, he kinda reminded me of the way TFRW worked out at Texas...

most of the time in big games he was nowhere to be found

it seemed like he was better with Rhomar

i know exactly what you're saying.

[AzianSooner]

at least, he's keeping up with his school-uh-mate.

[jkm, the stolen pifwafwi]

JI is different this year. Probably in part because MK is gone, and probably in part because there are a lot of WRs playing very hard (MJ, RB, et al.)

the first couple of games this year, iggy came out just like last year. he had catches for yards, but also watched manny go for 120 and 204, gresham go for 99, and broyles go over 100 twice. he had 133 in the baylor game, but i personally think when he turned it around was in the texas game.

we were down by 3 with 4th down and 10. bradford throws a perfect strike to ryan broyles but iggy tries to make a diving catch on the ball that was way out of his range. since that point, he's had drops, but he has for the most part played within the offense and excelled.

imo, the player that set the tone for this season has been manuel johnson.

[CatfishSooner]

MK had a bad attitude...glad he's gone...

[85Sooner]

From what I have heard. Kelly was the major problem in the last two bowl games. His ego caused all sorts of issues on the team. I was not there but this is from some that reported independently and WERE in a position to make a judgement.

[Curly Bill]

From what I have heard. Kelly was the major problem in the last two bowl games.

Are you saying Kelly was in charge of the defense in the last two bowl games? ;)

[Widescreen]

From what I have heard. Kelly was the major problem in the last two bowl games. His ego caused all sorts of issues on the team. I was not there but this is from some that reported independently and WERE in a position to make a judgement.

Weird, since he didn't bother to play in either game. :confused:

[47Wins]

I'm not in a position to know first hand but there seemed to be some bad chemistry with Kelly. He made some great catches but seemed to do it as a business decision. I wish nothing but the best, but I didn't notice a dropoff from his leaving. I was more concerned about Manny's injury.

[OKC-SLC]

the first couple of games this year, iggy came out just like last year. he had catches for yards, but also watched manny go for 120 and 204, gresham go for 99, and broyles go over 100 twice. he had 133 in the baylor game, but i personally think when he turned it around was in the texas game.

we were down by 3 with 4th down and 10. bradford throws a perfect strike to ryan broyles but iggy tries to make a diving catch on the ball that was way out of his range. since that point, he's had drops, but he has for the most part played within the offense and excelled.

imo, the player that set the tone for this season has been manuel johnson.

Good points, particularly about Johnson. I hadn't really thought about JI's performance during the first few games, but you're right.

[RoaminSooner]

He put in his time, he left because he had a chance to make some 1st round cash. I can't blame him, neither should you. I remember him as a great player. Now that it's been passed to another generation it is what it is. Though some of you wanna rip the guy for taking the leap, you should rethink that after the reality we got our asses kicked by West Virginia of all teams....would you want to stay if you were supposedly a first round pick after losing like that?

[jkm, the stolen pifwafwi]

He put in his time, he left because he had a chance to make some 1st round cash. I can't blame him, neither should you. I remember him as a great player. Now that it's been passed to another generation it is what it is. Though some of you wanna rip the guy for taking the leap, you should rethink that after the reality we got our asses kicked by West Virginia of all teams....would you want to stay if you were supposedly a first round pick after losing like that?

i don't think anyone is ripping him for going to the NFL early. we are disputing his statement that if he were still here we would have built the offense around him and the deep ball.

[OU_Sooners75]

It's true that having a true deep threat would have been one more dimension for this offense. But it seemed that MK made up his mind pretty early last year that he was going pro, so any speculation about "if he were still a sooner" is just talk, as it was never a possibility. If he had stayed and regretted it, the whole team would have regretted it whereas everyone is happy now.

So Manny Johnson is not a deep threat?

Look I like Kelly, but I am glad he is gone. He was starting to remind me of Terrell Owens or Chad Johnson. Good, but was not happy unless they got the ball every pass play.

Good luck Mr. Kelly, but good riddance.

[Crucifax Autumn]

you know, normally I take up sides, but I won't touch this one with malcom's 12 inch, self serving, lazy, disloyal ****...

oops...i meant to say I'd stay out of it!

[KingBarry]

Marcus Dupree?

In all fairness, the turn against Dupree started long before he left OU.

Didn't we turn against that weird guy in the 60s, what's his name? The one that wound up living in a Buddhist monestary in Tibet, or something?

The book about him was "Third Down and Forever."

Some of you will know his name.

[SoonerSnareMom]

From what I have heard. Kelly was the major problem in the last two bowl games. His ego caused all sorts of issues on the team. I was not there but this is from some that reported independently and WERE in a position to make a judgement.

We attended both Fiesta Bowls. During the WV game, we watched him throughout the game -- laughing and joking on the sidelines like we were ahead by four TDs. Not at all sorry to see him leave.

[stoopified]

Kelly is one of the greatest WRs to ever play at OU BUT he would be just another weapon in this tear's arsenal.What makes this offense great is we are not dependant on one back or one reciever.It that regard it reminds me of 2003.

[Harry Beanbag]

In all fairness, the turn against Dupree started long before he left OU.

Didn't we turn against that weird guy in the 60s, what's his name? The one that wound up living in a Buddhist monestary in Tibet, or something?

The book about him was "Third Down and Forever."

Some of you will know his name.

Joe Don Looney

[BoulderSooner79]

So Manny Johnson is not a deep threat?

Look I like Kelly, but I am glad he is gone. He was starting to remind me of Terrell Owens or Chad Johnson. Good, but was not happy unless they got the ball every pass play.

Good luck Mr. Kelly, but good riddance.

Johnson is the closest thing we have to a deep threat and he has hauled in a couple. What I mean is a guy with that MK body type that you can throw to anytime it is 1-on-1 coverage regardless of if he is open. He has the size, body control and hands to beat the defender most the time. That kind of threat forces defenses to change coverage and it creates weaknesses elsewhere. I thought maybe QC or Tennell could do some of that this year, but it hasn't worked out that way. It could also be that the offense is so efficient this year, KW sees no reason to throw the ball into coverage just for he purpose of stretching the field.

It does seem that those physical specimen receivers come equipped with that certain attitude. A young kid named Brandon Marshall up here plays for the Broncos and has been called "baby TO". He has tremendous talent, but has already caused problems both on and off the field.

[85Sooner]

Are you saying Kelly was in charge of the defense in the last two bowl games? ;)

No, but evidently he was bitching and whining all the time, being negative etc.... I will hold out until after the ball game. I DO think that something was going on because the teams we saw at the bowls were obviously other players dressed in Sooner garb because they did not even comeclose to resembling the "SOONERS" preformance wise.

Gotta know that Stoops and Co. know that they are in a must win situation.

Alot of pressure in my opinion.

[jkm, the stolen pifwafwi]

It could also be that the offense is so efficient this year, KW sees no reason to throw the ball into coverage just for he purpose of stretching the field.

it also may have something to do with our gameplan being to sam's strengths - the ability to hit receivers in stride on the short to medium routes. up until the last couple of game, he had been pretty inaccurate on the deep ball (otherwise he'd have another half dozen TDs).

[badger]

No offense to former Sooner MK or any of our alumni, but there's a reason why players have to graduate: To give new guys their own chance to shine.

If Jason White still had eligibility, he might still be our starter - where would that leave guys like ENA, Bradford and... other guy.

If Adrian Peterson had not gotten injured or left early, Allen Patrick, Moses Madu, Chris Brown and Demarco Murray would not have gotten their own day in the spotlight.

If MK was taking playing time, that would limit other guys trying to step up like Manuel Johnson, Iglesias and Broyles.

If you go back to the high school game, younger brothers finally start showing their potential when their older brothers graduate. You see it all the time everywhere.

No offense, MK, but you were taking plays off more often than Randy Moss did in Minnesota :( It made me sad to see you never reach your potential at Oklahoma.

[BoulderSooner79]

I thought Jason White did have another year of eligibility left - didn't he get that 7th year medical redshirt ? ;)