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noobalicious
12/5/2008, 04:19 PM
Obviously if we lose Texas advances. However, let's say we win. I went through the computer rankings and attempted to project them based on a Bama win and a Florida win. I did a lot of this based on how teams jumped in the rankings against similarly ranked teams (i.e. the Florida-Alabama game is similar to the RRS this year in terms of rankings).

Bama Wins and We Win:
Projected BCS Computer Ranking Avgs:
OU 0.98
Bama 0.98
Texas 0.92
Florida 0.80

Here's how that happens. I think even with a Bama win, our win will be seen as "good enough" by the computers that have us currently ranked #1 to keep us at #1. I took a look at each one. We have a huge edge over Bama in the Sagarin ratings right now (remember he uses ELO Chess in BCS). In Peter Wolfe's rankings we are #1 but with not as large of a margin. However, significant gains are still made in his poll by winning against a top 30-or-so team it seems. And the Massey ratings are extremely complex. I have no idea there, but we are out ahead of the pack fairly well, so I think we'd stay #1 there. The other rankings we should jump to #2. Colley Matrix this is based on simulation. In Billingsley's ratings you only gain or lose points if you play a game, so we'd be locked in at #2 there.

This margin means that Texas has some huge gains to make in the Harris and Coaches Polls. If the Coaches Poll was a DEAD HEAT, they would need to beat us by 171 points in the Harris Poll. If the Harris Poll was a DEAD HEAT, they would need to beat us by 92 points in the Coaches Poll. Or you could take any combination that would allow them to exceed the 0.06 margin they need to make up (i.e. 86 points more in the Harris, 46 more points in the Coaches).

When you consider that we are in a dead heat with them in both polls already, the poll results will be public this week, and Texas is idle, these results are not likely.

Florida Wins and We Win:
Projected BCS Computer Ranking Avgs:
OU 1.00
Texas 0.93
Florida 0.92
Bama 0.82

Obviously if Alabama loses, we will still hang on to our current 3 #1 rankings in the computers. I expect that we'd be in position to move up to #1 in two more if they lose - Anderson & Hester, and the Colley Matrix. The Colley Matrix is based on a simulation and will happen if we win. A&H rankings are spit out as decimals. Right now we are only .007 behind Utah which is at #2. Utah and Texas are 2-3 and they are both idle. Bama is #1. I think we will be able to make up this small difference with a win. 5 #1 computer rankings would give us a perfect computer ranking (highest and lowest thrown out).

It seems as though the SEC CCG loser will probably fall back far enough behind teams in wait like USC and Utah and such to be ranked consistently around #5-#7.

Obviously this is a less likely scenario for Texas to make up the disparity. Even if I'm off by one computer ranking here in the FLA win situation, they'd still need to make up 0.06 BCS points which is unlikely.

Moral of the Story:
Chill! The computers love us enough so that if we win, it is HIGHLY unlikely that we would get jumped by Texas. If we lose, we obviously don't deserve to be there anyways.

What we get is a de-facto national championship semi-final. Winner of SEC CCG advances. We win, we advance, otherwise Texas does.

Simple as pie.

noobalicious
12/5/2008, 04:24 PM
Actually, forgot to address the slim possibility that if FLA wins and we win that Texas may jump FLA. They would likely have an advantage in the computer rankings. FLA's computer projection in this scenario that I have listed above is probably the most optimistic one that you'd see.

However, I believe the voters will try and make this a national semi-final game and they won't let that happen.

BoulderSooner79
12/5/2008, 04:33 PM
I like the way Brad Edwards worded the situation. He said both the Big12 and SEC games are effectively semi-finals for OU/UT and Bama/UF, but Mizzou is a proxy team playing for UT in this round.

(I'm sure USC thinks there is a chance that Mizzou is their proxy. :) )

BoonesFarmSooner
12/5/2008, 04:48 PM
Computers have USC so far down that they are way back there.

And with this weeks ballots being open to the public, I can't see many people voting texas ahead of us if we win IN Missouri.

tigepilot
12/5/2008, 04:54 PM
OU wins and they're in, Alabama wins and they're in... the rest is up in the air and may depend on Cincy/Hawaii:

http://www.bcsguru.com/

noobalicious
12/5/2008, 05:02 PM
OU wins and they're in, Alabama wins and they're in... the rest is up in the air and may depend on Cincy/Hawaii:

http://www.bcsguru.com/

Hmmm his projections are very close to what I have. That's reassuring :D

Interesting that he makes a reference to 03 and how a Hawaii game decided that one. Also interesting that he is positive that game cannot hurt us, but would have an impact on the Florida or Texas argument.

Flagstaffsooner
12/5/2008, 05:03 PM
OU wins and they're in, Alabama wins and they're in... the rest is up in the air and may depend on Cincy/Hawaii:

http://www.bcsguru.com/I dont follow the logic in that link. A Cincy loss to Hawaii helps us?

tigepilot
12/5/2008, 05:04 PM
Hmmm his projections are very close to what I have. That's reassuring :D

Interesting that he makes a reference to 03 and how a Hawaii game decided that one. Also interesting that he is positive that game cannot hurt us, but would have an impact on the Florida or Texas argument.

Yeah, I had that game marked off for a while just wondering how it would effect us. Everyone's analysis kept not mentioning that so I assumed they were assuming a win there for Cincy. I'm fealing better now though.