Obama's Socialism STRONGER THAN FDR'S?

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Is America's acceptance of a command economy greater today than it was in the early 30's? Could be, due to chronic and widespread propaganda in the Government Schools and the MSM. We didn't break out of the doldrums in the 30's. It took a war to revive us.(if you call that "revive") Will we come to our senses in the near future?

[SicEmBaylor]

Is America's acceptance of a command economy greater today than it was in the early 30's? Could be, due to chronic and widespread propaganda in the Government Schools and the MSM. We didn't break out of the doldrums in the 30's. It took a war to revive us.(if you call that "revive") Will we come to our senses in the near future?

What I really wonder is how you or any reasonable human being could possibly complain about Obama's socialism before he has served so much as one second in the oval office especially in the face of what Bush and D.C. Republicans have done to the economy over the last few months.

My God man, Bush has socialized the nation in ways that would almost make FDR himself blush. At least FDR expected something in return for gubmint money. Bush is giving it away for free by the f-ing truckload!

[SicEmBaylor]

Actually, I think it would be more correct to say that Bush's economic policies are closer to fascist economics than what we would think of as left-wing socialist policies.

And before I get bashed by the room temperature IQ conservatives out there, fascist economics doesn't mean that I'm calling Bush Hitler or equating him in any way to Hitler. There's nothing racist or evil about fascist economics -- its' just wrong.

[King Crimson]

is "command economy" what we are calling it on AM radio these days? "nanny state" didn't have the requisite fear factor anymo?

[Vaevictis]

What I really wonder is how you or any reasonable human being could possibly complain about Obama's socialism before he has served so much as one second in the oval office especially in the face of what Bush and D.C. Republicans have done to the economy over the last few months.

I think you already know, you just don't want to say it.

[TUSooner]

Is America's acceptance of a command economy greater today than it was in the early 30's? Could be, due to chronic and widespread propaganda in the Government Schools and the MSM. We didn't break out of the doldrums in the 30's. It took a war to revive us.(if you call that "revive") Will we come to our senses in the near future?

You need a week or 2 away from the radio. Read a spy novel or something.

[Veritas]

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[bri]

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[Echoes]

What I really wonder is how you or any reasonable human being could possibly complain about Obama's socialism before he has served so much as one second in the oval office especially in the face of what Bush and D.C. Republicans have done to the economy over the last few months.

My God man, Bush has socialized the nation in ways that would almost make FDR himself blush. At least FDR expected something in return for gubmint money. Bush is giving it away for free by the f-ing truckload!

I couldn't have said it any better. Turn off the RL radio show for a second and try to get a grip on reality.

[Curly Bill]

Not a fan of Brack's at all, but there is something to the thinking that he can't make things much worse then W has.

Let's hope anyway.

[def_lazer_fc]

speaking of W, isn't he still the president or something? did he take an early vacation? anyone know?

[KingBarry]

Actually, I think it would be more correct to say that Bush's economic policies are closer to fascist economics than what we would think of as left-wing socialist policies.

And before I get bashed by the room temperature IQ conservatives out there, fascist economics doesn't mean that I'm calling Bush Hitler or equating him in any way to Hitler. There's nothing racist or evil about fascist economics -- its' just wrong.

"Fascist Economics"? I don't have any idea what that is, and I'm an economist.

[Frozen Sooner]

"Fascist Economics"? I don't have any idea what that is, and I'm an economist.

A fascist economic system is one in which corporations/economic interests have merged with the government or taken over essential governmental functions.

[soonerscuba]

A fascist economic system is one in which corporations/economic interests have merged with the government or taken over essential governmental functions.So under a pure academic sense you would describe Northrop Grumman a facist organization?

[Frozen Sooner]

So under a pure academic sense you would describe Northrop Grumman a facist organization?

Probably not, since there's a layer of separation between them and the government.

More along the lines of Cornell and Blackwater.

[Curly Bill]

Probably not, since there's a layer of separation between them and the government.

More along the lines of Cornell and Blackwater.

Are they a country music duo? ;)

[sooneron]

Yeah. It's official, I didn't miss the SO.

[lexsooner]

A fascist economic system is one in which corporations/economic interests have merged with the government or taken over essential governmental functions.

Like pre-Castro Cuba under Batista and the Mob.

[Frozen Sooner]

Hmm. Wasn't the Batista regime more of an agrarian economy?

[lexsooner]

Hmm. Wasn't the Batista regime more of an agrarian economy?

Yes, I believe so, but I recall Batista helped create a government investment fund which was backed by American corporations and mob-backed Cuban individuals which helped fund the building of new casinos, night clubs, and race tracks, all Mob owned. Laws were also passed which gave tax subsidies to these new Mob-owned businesses. I think someone commented it was about the closest relationship between any government and organized crime in modern history. This all happened in the 1950s, and it certainly would have flourished but for all involved underestimating Castro and the feelings of the Cuban masses.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Actually, I think it would be more correct to say that Bush's economic policies (especially recent ones)are closer to fascist economics than what we would think of as left-wing socialist policies.

Agreed, but you are not addressing the subject of the thread.

[bluedogok]

Whose Schwartz is bigger?

[bri]

Agreed, but you are not addressing the subject of the thread.

Well since "the subject of the thread" is the laughably delusional rantings of a shut-in, you can hardly blame him.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

A fascist economic system is one in which corporations/economic interests have merged with the government or taken over essential governmental functions.Do you think the new Prez will be satisfied with fascism, or that he would prefer to go all the way?

[SicEmBaylor]

Do you think the new Prez will be satisfied with fascism, or that he would prefer to go all the way?

You can't be serious.

[Czar Soonerov]

Here is an interesting article I found regarding Obama's socialist experiment. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61Qv_8cFFbQ)

[SicEmBaylor]

Here is an interesting article I found regarding Obama's socialist experiment. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61Qv_8cFFbQ)

That's the least retarded thing I've seen in this thread.

[Frozen Sooner]

Do you think the new Prez will be satisfied with fascism, or that he would prefer to go all the way?
Your question contains both an unproven assumption and a false dichotomy. Try again.

[JLEW1818]

Democrats are the majority of congress, for Bush 2nd term, just a reminder.

[Czar Soonerov]

no srsly, this one's really about Obama's Socialism (www.thekickback.com/rickroll/rickroll.php)

[JLEW1818]

lol you bastard

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Your question contains both an unproven assumption and a false dichotomy. Try again.It's a valid question. What's your answer?

[LosAngelesSooner]

It's a valid question. What's your answer?It's not a valid question you infinitely inane cartoon character. :rolleyes:

[LosAngelesSooner]

Democrats are the majority of congress, for Bush 2nd term, just a reminder.The Republicans in Congress during Bush's 2nd term set the 2 year record for filibustering (anything and everything that the Democrats tried to do) in only 6 months.

Just a reminder. ;)

[TUSooner]

It's a valid question. What's your answer?

Froz is right, and you are wrong. I'm seriously tellin ya, listen to something else on the radio for a change. Right wing radio is NOT making you smarter.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Froz is right, and you are wrong. I'm seriously tellin ya, listen to something else on the radio for a change. Right wing radio is NOT making you smarter.A)Since you don't listen to Limbaugh, you don't know what you're talking about. B)Do you think Obama will have solutions to America's economic problems other than by socialism or fascism?If so, please tell us about it.

[bri]

Psst, I have a secret. Nobody likes you. Nobody. At all.

So, you know, feel free to run along and shut the sweet f*ck up.

[Veritas]

This guy definitely needs to make another appearance:

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[JLEW1818]

The Republicans in Congress during Bush's 2nd term set the 2 year record for filibustering (anything and everything that the Democrats tried to do) in only 6 months.

Just a reminder. ;)

the only worse approval rating than Bush, is congress.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

I'm seriously tellin ya, listen to something else on the radio for a change. Right wing radio is NOT making you smarter.Wait a minute...You are a lawyer, a democrat, and you live below sea level. You are giving me advice!...WTF!

[royalfan5]

Wait a minute...You are a lawyer, a democrat, and you live below sea level. You are giving me advice!...WTF!

Well, people do take his posts seriously.

[LosAngelesSooner]

the only worse approval rating than Bush, is congress.And you've got the neo-"Pubs" in Congress to thank for it.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Well, we people do take his political posts seriously.yes, you do.

[KingBarry]

A fascist economic system is one in which corporations/economic interests have merged with the government or taken over essential governmental functions.

I've been thinking about this answer, and it doesn't satisfy me, i guess because it doesn't really mean anything. There are too many definitional problems.

But I'll try to take a stab at it, nonetheless.

All governments are influenced by "corporate interests" (whatever they are). Even Czarist Russia was influenced by corporations, although there were less than 100 of them by 1917. So I am going to assume that "corporate interests" actually probably means business or commercial interests? Maybe that's it? Would that include farming, which has until the 20th century been the biggest business in pretty much all societies for all times? (At least excepting societies still in the thriving "hunter gatherer" markets.)

To take "fascist economics" to its extreme then, would seem to be the same as "communist economics," since under communism all "corporations" -- all productive entities -- literally ARE the government.

I think fascism is a political idea more than an economic one. To me, fascism basically means using unrelenting force to coerce others to abide by one's own political dictates. In the case of Nazi Germany, Hitler and his cronies simply thought that Germans were the best, and should therefore be able to dictate to everybody else. Of course, they especially Jews, Gays, etc; but the celebration of Germaness, and the subjugation of everybody else, was basically the point.

Similar idea for today's "Islamofascist" movement. Being Muslim is better than being not-Muslim, and the arrangement of the world should reflect that.

But to my eye, there seems little in common between Nazi economics -- that the resources of the productive German population should be, in a highly organized way, harnessed to bring about German domination of others -- and Islamic economics -- which is really more focused on extracting the productive resources of non-Muslims to enrich Muslims.

So why am I having this discussion on a football board? Well, it should be clear.

Posting on SO pads my post count.;) Saying this elsewhere gets me nothin'.

[Frozen Sooner]

You've moved the discussion from "merged with or taken over by" to "influenced by."

Most people associate fascism only with social-type issues, but that's not the limit of the scope of fascism.

[SoonerProphet]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism

[Echoes]

Sometimes, I wonder if Rush is just trolling us so hardcore and really is just setting behind his computer screen laughing while we make comments to the ridiculous threads he creates. Then I remember that isn't true, and I am dumbfounded.

Here are a couple more ideas for you're next threads:

- Is Bush a great President or the greatest President?

- Will Obama ruin just our country or the whole world?


I got an idea. Take the advice of Bri, LA, Baylor, and everyone else laughing at you in this thread. Stop posting.

[Vaevictis]

So, does anyone else like corn on the cob?

Personally, I like it roasted with butter and a little bit of salt.

[SicEmBaylor]

So, does anyone else like corn on the cob?

Personally, I like it roasted with butter and a little bit of salt.

Yep, it's the only vegetable I'll eat. I like it grilled on the husk.

[LosAngelesSooner]

Phallic?