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soonermeteor
12/1/2008, 01:28 AM
http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/8870680/Computers-defy-logic-in-boosting-Sooners


Computers defy logic in boosting Sooners
by Don Borst, Special to FOXSports.com

Updated: December 1, 2008, 12:03 AM EST 689 comments
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What is it that Oklahoma has on these computers?

For the second time in six years, the computers — and only the computers — are the reason the Sooners get to play for the national championship.

Granted, the BCS computers still have another week to go in the 2008 season, and this time it's "only" the Big 12 championship game that the computers have punched Oklahoma's ticket for. But because of that opportunity Saturday in Kansas City, the Sooners have effectively aced out a team that beat them for first rights to play for the national championship.

We'll presume that national championship game will be against the champion of the SEC, but you never know. There's always the chance between now and then that the BCS computers will whirr and click and offer up some data that will deem Oklahoma's second string the No. 2 team in the country and turn it into an intrasquad game.

The humans, meantime, got it right: In a very close vote, the voters in the Coaches and Harris polls favored Texas over Oklahoma (the coaches gave OU a one-point edge, while Harris voters gave UT a six-point edge) — almost certainly owing to the fact that the Longhorns beat the Sooners on a neutral field this season, 45-35.

It stands to reason that when teams finish in a tie, the team that beat the other should receive at least some kind of benefit for that accomplishment. But "reason" isn't something the BCS computers are capable of.

Instead, Texas gets a message from the computers like, "you should have run up the score more on more opponents," or something.

I recognize that reasonable people can differ on this subject, but the computers did something very unreasonable. What's REALLY disturbing is the way Oklahoma leapfrogged Alabama along the way; it's as if the computers realized that to get their beloved Sooners into the Big 12 title game, they had to push OU past the 12-0 Crimson Tide, too.

So, Alabama finished off the season in absolutely perfect form, and both human polls are voting the Tide No. 1 by a wider margin than at any time since they took over the No. 1 spot Nov. 1.

Nick Saban's team charges into the SEC championship game with the kind of momentum that has even Florida followers double-checking their previously overexuberant optimism: The Crimson Tide, everyone finally realizes, are for real, which is why they're the only one of the 66 BCS programs to finish the regular season with a perfect 12-0 record.

This isn't to say that the Tide will beat Florida, or win the national championship. They might, but they still have to prove it. But by no reasonable measure should they be moved down after scoring a ridiculously impressive 36-0 victory in the Iron Bowl.

Yet, they're moved down by the computers, not just behind the mighty can-do-no-wrong Sooners, but behind Texas as well. Alabama No. 3? Because they went 12-0 and beat Auburn by 36 points?

What the what?

That's how ridiculous this has become.

The Bowl Championship Series — a misnomer to begin with — has found another way to undermine the very sport that gives it life.

Five years ago, the computers loved Bob Stoops and the Sooners even after OU was blown out of the Big 12 championship game by Kansas State, 35-7, on Dec. 6.

A day later, the humans moved the Sooners down to No. 3 — still a high placement for their laudable season of work. USC and LSU were No. 1 and No. 2 according to the humans. Somehow, the computers pretended the Big 12 championship game did not even happen, leaving Oklahoma ahead of both LSU and USC, by enough of a margin that they remained ahead of both of those teams in the overall BCS rankings.

That kept Oklahoma in the national championship game, where they lost to LSU (which had edged USC in the BCS rankings by the narrowest of margins). That prompted AP Top 25 voters to eventually award USC the No. 1 ranking, which is our most recent split national championship.

Of course, we can blame the Big 12 for selecting such a lousy way to break their own tie. There are many better ways to break ties than to hand that responsibility over to a Big Brother system that is not really accountable to anything or anyone.

Why did you decide this, computer? Because you break the games down to a series of numbers that have nothing to do with winning or losing on the field.

Back in the bad old days, when the bowls first got together to work out special rankings to place teams in the biggest of bowls, teams received special credit for having the fewest number of losses. After a couple of years, however, it was determined that teams were already being penalized for losses by voters and computers. So the BCS formula was tweaked.

And the "strength of schedule" component was scrapped because it's already built in to the computer models. So the BCS formula was tweaked.

And then there were the humans (namely, The Associated Press) who said, "Wait a minute � this is just plain, dumb � we're out!" So the BCS formula was tweaked.

So, we'll expect to see a little more tweaking after this season. Head-to-head contests should be considered significant. Conference champions should be considered significant.

In the meantime, the BCS got it wrong again.

Harry Beanbag
12/1/2008, 06:52 AM
The intellectual dishonesty in this whole thing just boggles the mind.

Sooner in Tampa
12/1/2008, 07:14 AM
Not one mention of Tech beating sexat included in the argument.

sooner_born_1960
12/1/2008, 07:37 AM
Instead, Texas gets a message from the computers like, "you should have run up the score more on more opponents," or something.
This statement is all it took for the author to lose all credibility. Margin of victory is not a component of any computer ranking.
Although Brent was pimping for just that during the game.

OUTrumpet
12/1/2008, 07:44 AM
Someone should send this guy a message as a Tech fan, saying you expect him to make as big of a scene this coming up week on why Texas Tech should go to the BCS ahead of Texas. I mean, they did beat them 39-33 right? The three-way tie was settled on the field, right?

OUAndy1807
12/1/2008, 08:11 AM
This idiot projected a Texas Tech-Penn State title game.

BCS Championship: Penn State (12-0) vs. Texas Tech (13-0)
Rose Bowl: Oregon State (9-3) vs. Ohio State (10-2)
Sugar Bowl: Florida (12-1) vs. Big East champion
Fiesta Bowl: Texas (11-1) vs. Utah (12-0)
Orange Bowl: ACC champion vs. Alabama (12-1)

Widescreen
12/1/2008, 08:13 AM
I recognize that reasonable people can differ on this subject, but the computers did something very unreasonable. What's REALLY disturbing is the way Oklahoma leapfrogged Alabama along the way; it's as if the computers realized that to get their beloved Sooners into the Big 12 title game, they had to push OU past the 12-0 Crimson Tide, too.
Yeah, the computers are all in for OU. :rolleyes:

This was written by a fan of a team, not a journalist. That's the kind of thing you'd expect to see on a message board post.

sozo
12/1/2008, 08:14 AM
This statement is all it took for the author to lose all credibility. Margin of victory is not a component of any computer ranking.


That's what's I was thinking,thanks for answering that.
Also Can anyone say TCU and Cinn as oppose to Rice and UTEP!

badger
12/1/2008, 08:26 AM
That's what's I was thinking,thanks for answering that.
Also Can anyone say TCU and Cinn as oppose to Rice and UTEP!

Also Can anyone say Chatty and Warsh as oppose to Arky and... whoever the hell else Texas played in non-conference? Poor Texas. Nobody thinks as highly of them as they think of themselves. :P

Wear your Co-Big 12 South Champions rings proudly, Texas. You earned that Co-Champion title, just like we did.

And now, to go earn the Big 12 outright title... :D:D:D:D

GrapevineSooner
12/1/2008, 08:26 AM
They have no loyalties.
They have no agendas.
They have no biases.

Thanks Bob. I have a new sig!! :D

sozo
12/1/2008, 08:51 AM
Also Can anyone say Chatty and Warsh as oppose to Arky and... whoever the hell else Texas played in non-conference? Poor Texas. Nobody thinks as highly of them as they think of themselves. :P

Wear your Co-Big 12 South Champions rings proudly, Texas. You earned that Co-Champion title, just like we did.

And now, to go earn the Big 12 outright title... :D:D:D:DOops,I did forget the hogs,they won what,5 games!Non conference schedules doesn't
compare very well for UT.Both Cinn and TCU are 10-2 and Cinn is going to a BCS game.UTEP and Hogs are 5-7 and Rice is actually 10-3.

MichiganSooner
12/1/2008, 09:35 AM
It all comes down to this. Someone forward it to the writer from Fox.

Check out these comparisons on how Texas and OU fared against other teams in the Big 12 South.
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Baylor: OU wins 49-17 @ Waco; UT wins 45-21 @ home.

A&M: OU wins 66-28 @ College Station; UT wins 49-9 @ home.

OSU: OU wins 61-41 @ Stillwater; UT wins 28-24 @ home.

Texas had only ONE road game in the South, they lost it 39-33 to Texas Tech.

OU had only one home game in the south. They won 65-21 against Texas Tech.

For the 3 tied teams, of the 3 games played against one another:
For 110 Minutes OU held the lead.
For 57 Minutes Texas Tech held the lead.
For 11 Minutes Texas held the lead.

Texas took the lead, for the first time against Tech, with about 1:12 left in the game. Is that a fluke? Tech was even more remarkable by taking the lead for the final time in the final minute twelve by driving length of the field. THAT was not a fluke!!

CatfishSooner
12/1/2008, 09:46 AM
****

crawfish
12/1/2008, 10:01 AM
"Computers defy logic".

That statement shows the pure idiocy of the writer. The computers were ONLY logical and unbiased, and thus only use the hard data to rate the teams.

Hot Rod
12/1/2008, 10:09 AM
Not one mention of Tech beating sexat included in the argument.

When did this happen? And again if we lost last night, Tech would be going to KC, but hey, 39-33 never happened apparently.

Haven't people been saying how much we need a playoff? This guy probably is against it, so he's got no argument.

BoulderSooner79
12/1/2008, 11:05 AM
His logic about Bama shows why computer formulas are needed. Bama has beaten 2 teams that are currently ranked and only because old Miss just showed up. The UGA win is looking less impressive all the time. This is not a knock on Bama and if they can beat the gators, I have no problem with them in the title game. But humans just look at the record and only if they are a name team (or else Utah and Boise would be in the top 3 as well). The computers notice that the SEC isn't great this year except at the very top.

noobalicious
12/1/2008, 11:11 AM
It stands to reason that when teams finish in a tie, the team that beat the other should receive at least some kind of benefit for that accomplishment. But "reason" isn't something the BCS computers are capable of.

hahahahahaha, so I assume you'll argue for Tech right after that too?

Apparently "reason" isn't something this moron is capable of.

richsooner
12/1/2008, 11:17 AM
I guess all of this only serves to confirm what all of us have known forever. The SOONERS are in fact america's team......Right?????????????


By the way. The computers got it wrong? People fed the data into the computer....."People"are the only thing on the planet that are in fact, imperfect !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lott's Bandana
12/1/2008, 11:21 AM
QUOTE: (sung to the sound of a huge, wet fart):

The humans, meantime, got it right: In a very close vote, the voters in the Coaches and Harris polls favored Texas over Oklahoma (the coaches gave OU a one-point edge, while Harris voters gave UT a six-point edge) — almost certainly owing to the fact that the Longhorns beat the Sooners on a neutral field this season, 45-35.His sentence in italics immediately contradict his sentence in bold. M'thinks the Coaches DID NOT favor Texas and combining the two and creating that statement is specious.