Texas #2 in BCS poll 11/23

[yermom]

http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/8838706/Texas-moves-up-to-No.-2-in-BCS

:mad:

hopefully we'll jump them with a win and schedule help next week


1. Alabama, 0.987;
2. Texas, 0.920;
3. Oklahoma, 0.912;
4. Florida, 0.875;
5. USC, 0.797;
6. Utah, 0.785;
7. Texas Tech, 0.778;
8. Penn St., 0.752;
9. Boise St., 0.658;
10. Ohio St., 0.620;
11. Georgia, 0.601;
12. Oklahoma St., 0.570;
13. Missouri, 0.558;
14. TCU, 0.470;
15. Ball St., 0.437;
16. Cincinnati, 0.397;
17. Oregon St., 0.313;
18. BYU, 0.262;
19. Michigan St., 0.211;
20. Florida St., 0.188;
21. Boston College, 0.186;
22. Georgia Tech, 0.181;
23. Oregon, 0.155;
24. Northwestern, 0.113;
25. Pittsburgh, 0.041

[JLEW1818]

wow, i was so wrong.

[SoonerTroll]

well thats just lame, they drop in every human poll but move up in the bcs

[oumartin]

wow,

we are super close to Texas. hopefully the teams next week flip flop

[soonerfan28]

My day couldn't suck worse.

[sooner59]

Texas - 0.920
OU - 0.912

We are 0.008 behind with a College Gameday 7 pm nationally televised game left on the road against the #13 ranked team in the BCS.

That will really boost our computer average if we win. And Texas has a crappy A&M team at home....not helping their computer average, possibly hurting it.

If we beat OSU, we are in. Our season comes down to Stillwater. Make or break.

[swardboy]

I"m of the opinion that FL will beat Alabama, but will that jump them over us if we take care of business against osu?

[JLEW1818]

Does a Win against a ranked Oklahoma State put us over the top? on the road

[sooner518]

we can make that up with a win on the road over the #12 team. Meanwhile Texas plays the 2nd worst Big 12 team at home. I am confident we will jump them should we win next week.

[Sooner_Havok]

Wanna know how I know they are idiots?


While the Big 12 could have three teams in BCS bowls in January, the Big Ten could still have two teams in the BCS equation when the regular season concludes, as Ohio State remained at No. 10 this week with its blowout victory over longtime rival Michigan.

Heh

[OU-HSV]

Wow, I really figured we'd jump to #2 spot. Oh well, we beat sheephumpers we ought to get boosted up to #2.

[Sooner4FCD]

we made up .05 in the last weekend and we need to make up .009 next weekend....there's just no way we don't jump them with a win over OSU. Remember we have the last game of the weekend, the final say. I'm just fine with these rankings, a win over OSU puts us over the top.

[oumartin]

playin' citadel killed Florida..


I'm still not sure we'll pass texas no matter what happens. unless they lose I think they got it

[OU-HSV]

Too bad the sheephumpers pulled the stupid stunt with their tickets to try to keep Soonerfans out of there. There will be lots of empty seats I bet. Hope we have a lot of fans get in there somehow.

But either way...lots of OU fans or not...we are more than capable of beating the sheephumpers, esp if we play like we did last night. And then I would think we become #2

[BermudaSooner]

we made up .05 in the last weekend and we need to make up .009 next weekend....there's just no way we don't jump them with a win over OSU. Remember we have the last game of the weekend, the final say. I'm just fine with these rankings, a win over OSU puts us over the top.

Exactly--if every pollster votes the same as this week, we will easily make up the difference in the computers with a win at OSU.

[Jason White's Third Knee]

Wanna know how I know they are idiots?



Heh


That's pretty inexcusable.

[JaminT]

we can make that up with a win on the road over the #12 team. Meanwhile Texas plays the 2nd worst Big 12 team at home. I am confident we will jump them should we win next week.

Who's worse than AtM?

The only thing out of our control is if Baylor upsets Tech at Tech

[StoopTroup]

Does a Win against a ranked Oklahoma State put us over the top? on the road

Since texas plays TAMU at home...I'm of the opinion that if we beat aggy...we're on our way to the Big XII Championship Game....but again...anything can happen. Seeing that texas was .8911 and we were .8388 in Week 5 and we play a stronger opponent (aggy = .570 and TAMU isn't on the radar at all)...we will jump them...especially with a quality win like hanging a 100 on them on the road. aggy will be gunning for us so I hope we get a good jump on them in the 1st quarter and never let up.

[sooner518]

Who's worse than AtM?

The only thing out of our control is if Baylor upsets Tech at Tech

Iowa State....

A&M also beat Colorado

[SoonerTroll]

texas is screwed either way, they need us to beat osu and if we do we will jump them, if we lose tech goes

[bcgvh]

We are only .008 behind Texas right now, with a game at #12 OSU next week. Texas should be more worried than us at this point.

[BoulderSooner79]

This could be good news in disguise. Players seem to really respond to being "disrespected" - may help keep them totally focused on OSU.

[stoopified]

I hoping Blowden and Free Shoe take down UF before UF beats 'Bama.Having said that,all OU can control is beating T.BS,hopfully just like we did the Sand Pirates.

[Boomer.....]

I still think we are in good position. Everyone will see us again and the computers will be in our advantage also.

[JLEW1818]

I still like our chances.

[SUPERFAN]

I though the BCS poll wasnt released until the NFL games on Fox are over...what gives?

[colinreturn]

What if we tie? ;)

[JLEW1818]

Some good things to look at.

We get to play #12
Florida gets #20 FSU

this will steal even more votes from texas, if both teams win

[BoulderSooner79]

What if we tie? ;)

The next tie breaker goes to the head coach with the hottest wife.

[JLMSOONER]

We still have to depend on Tech winning next week! What if Tech loses, we beat the aggies, but we still jump texas in the BCS. Texas goes th the Big 12 championship and beats Mizzou. Isn't it still plausibe that we may be ranked ahead of them in the BCS??

[Widescreen]

It's really surprising to me that the computer poll seems to have that much impact. Texas is #4 in both polls and #2 in the computers and somehow that comes out to #2. Obviously it's not a simple average of the 3 rankings, but it does seem odd.

[Iam4OUru]

Can someone post the computer rankings or have I just overlooked it?

[Indy Sooner]

Wanna know how I know they are idiots?

Heh

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-bcs20-2008nov20,0,2096936.story

[bcgvh]

We still have to depend on Tech winning next week! What if Tech loses, we beat the aggies, but we still jump texas in the BCS. Texas goes th the Big 12 championship and beats Mizzou. Isn't it still plausibe that we may be ranked ahead of them in the BCS??

Hmmm, they only get points for beating Mizzou once, right?

[meoveryouxinfinity]

We still have to depend on Tech winning next week! What if Tech loses, we beat the aggies, but we still jump texas in the BCS. Texas goes th the Big 12 championship and beats Mizzou. Isn't it still plausibe that we may be ranked ahead of them in the BCS??

Maybe, because when we played Missouri twice last year it hurt us.

But it wouldn't happen because we can't play that game.

[RedstickSooner]

The important thing was jumping Texas in the human polls, because the sheephumpers aren't gonna get us ahead of anyone in human polls.

We jumped 'em in the polls. So, we're in good shape now. We just have to beat the Pokies.

Not only will beating them improve us in the computers, it'll hurt Texas a bit, as it means that their previous victory over a two loss team becomes a victory over a three loss team.

Man, I'm thankful those twits doing play-by-play for the TTech murder didn't control the human polls. Otherwise, we'd have been screwed by the irrefutable logic of, Texas beat us, so they're ranked ahead of us.

Idjits.

[SUPERFAN]

this is the link I found at fox regarding the polls...how come the results arent there? http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/polls

[colinreturn]

We still have to depend on Tech winning next week! What if Tech loses, we beat the aggies, but we still jump texas in the BCS. Texas goes th the Big 12 championship and beats Mizzou. Isn't it still plausibe that we may be ranked ahead of them in the BCS??


Finally, a scenario where the higher ranked team doesnt go to the big 12 championship.

[Frozen Sooner]

Two factors help us if we beat OSU.

1. We will have another win vs. a ranked team.
2. A ranked team that Texas has beaten will take a ratings hit.

[ProdigyDub]

playin' citadel killed Florida..


I'm still not sure we'll pass texas no matter what happens. unless they lose I think they got it

As a Texas fan, I think you guys probably have it as long as you win against OSU and don't look terrible.

Although, one thing that could hurt you is if Florida beats FSU and gets ahead of you in some of those computer polls (or maybe even grabs a few more human votes than they had this week).

[fresnodog]

A lot of horn fans are deeply grateful to the Sooners today.Do any of you think you could beat Texas in a rematch? Personally,I think either Texas or Oklahoma could win the MNC. One of those two teams will play Florida and it would be a good game.

[Iam4OUru]

Finally, a scenario where the higher ranked team doesnt go to the big 12 championship.


If that happened then UT would go due to the head-to-head with us...regardless of the rankings. This would not force a 3 way tie. We need Tech to win or both Tech and UT to lose. I think. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

[GreaterState]

Not only will beating them improve us in the computers, it'll hurt Texas a bit, as it means that their previous victory over a two loss team becomes a victory over a three loss team.

This is true, but what is easy to forget (by those who are surprised by this result) is that by virtue of Texas beating OU, each big OU win also helps Texas a little bit in that same area (computers). A little removed from head-to-head, but still.

[Iam4OUru]

Do any of you think you could beat Texas in a rematch?


I do believe this......they would have gotten their asses waxed last night...along with Fla and Bammer.

[soonergirlNeugene]

I think that was the point he was making. Texas would go to the CCG even though we were ranked over them. Would almost say that could make some controversy for the title game, but Texas would probably jump us if they won the CCG.

[BoulderSooner79]

BCS rankings are only a tie breaker if all else fails to break the tie. So if 1 of the 3 teams lose, then the head-to-head of the other 2 breaks the tie. The horns will kill aTm. If we lose to OSU, then we don't deserve to go and I lose interest, but TT goes in that case. I am concerned that TT might lay an egg against Baylor after the beatdown they took last night.

[BoulderSooner79]

*remove duplicate* browser hung.

[JLEW1818]

It actually does make sense that they are still ahead of us. Even though this is a 3 way tie we are in, both Texas and Texas Tech beat Oklahoma State (both at home). I got too anxious thinking we would jump Texas this week. We still have to play #12 Oklahoma State, and then we will get more juice from the computers.

Reasons why a Longhorn should be nervous

1) They have to play a team that has only 4 wins. The computers will then hurt the longhorns.

2) They are ranked 4th in the coaches poll

3) They are ranked 4th in the harris poll

4) Florida gets to play #20 Florida State this weekend. This is good for us because Texas will not make up any ground in the human polls if Florida wins. Texas will only lose votes. (and if we win against #12 texas will lose even more votes)

5) Oklahoma the team right on their tail, gets to play #12 Oklahoma State on the road.

6) If Oklahoma loses and Tech wins, Tech goes to the Big 12 Championship.

Just give it time, take the criticism this week, but deep down, logical longhorns are ****ting their pants.

[Iam4OUru]

Boulder, you gotta be slick to get in a "double post". :D


Gotcha!

[BoulderSooner79]

Boulder, you gotta be slick to get in a "double post". :D


Gotcha!

Hey, it was that dang 'puter and the busy network. I'm innocent :O

[Iam4OUru]

It actually does make sense that they are still ahead of us. Even though this is a 3 way tie we are in, both Texas and Texas Tech beat Oklahoma State (both at home). I got too anxious thinking we would jump Texas this week. We still have to play #12 Oklahoma State, and then we will get more juice from the computers.

Reasons why a Longhorn should be nervous

1) They have to play a team that has only 4 wins. The computers will then hurt the longhorns.

2) They are ranked 4th in the coaches poll

3) They are ranked 4th in the harris poll

4) Florida gets to play #20 Florida State this weekend. This is good for us because Texas will not make up any ground in the human polls if Florida wins. Texas will only lose votes. (and if we win against #12 texas will lose even more votes)

5) Oklahoma the team right on their tail, gets to play #12 Oklahoma State on the road.

6) If Oklahoma loses and Tech wins, Tech goes to the Big 12 Championship.

Just give it time, take the criticism this week, but deep down, logical longhorns are ****ting their pants.


And, we play prime time. Nothin' else to do but watch football.

[Jewstin]

I still haven't seen these figures confirmed anywhere else... why?

And how the heck does Texas have a big enough edge in the computers to make up for a #4 and #3 ranking? I imagine this difference is solely because OSU is not a part of our calculation (vs. their schedule lacking a much lower ranked A&M).

If the human polls remain even somewhat similar, I don't see how it's mathematically possible for them to maintain such a big lead in the computers given Cinci and TCU being a part of our non-conference schedule.

[StoopTroup]

Checkout this little poll....


Who will most likely be upset this week?

it's about half way down on the right.

http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb)

I voted Florida but right now Bama is coming in 2nd...were number one right now. :mad:

[yermom]

they are exclusive to Fox, so i assume they are right

i guess we'll find out here in a minute...

[WxGuy1]

What if:
Florida loses to FSU this weekend
Florida beats Alabama in the SEC Championship
OU, TTU, and UT win this weekend

There is a chance that, even if Texas goes to the Big 12 Championship, a loss by UT at the hands of Missouri could put OU back into the BCS Championship game, right?

Or... UT or OU win the Big 12 Championship, and OU and UT go 1-2 in the BCS poll. Red River Rivalry rematch in the National Championship game? Certainly USC wouldn't jump up that far...?

[yermom]

yep. they must have leaked by accident or something

[StoopTroup]

yep. they must have leaked by accident or something

Probably a Washington Insider...

Damn you Obama! :D ;)

[BoonesFarmSooner]

I still haven't seen these figures confirmed anywhere else... why?

And how the heck does Texas have a big enough edge in the computers to make up for a #4 and #3 ranking? I imagine this difference is solely because OSU is not a part of our calculation (vs. their schedule lacking a much lower ranked A&M).

If the human polls remain even somewhat similar, I don't see how it's mathematically possible for them to maintain such a big lead in the computers given Cinci and TCU being a part of our non-conference schedule.



Yeah, I'm a little confused at the calculations. I thought the human polls were two-thirds of the equation? How does Texas have that big of a bump i the computer polls to be ahead of us?

[SOONER STEAKER]

I think some UT grad hacked into the computers and changed the formula. Anyway, we'll jump those whores in the poles when we beat Sand Aggies of the North.

Boomer

[JLEW1818]

We may not even jump them in the computer part, just as long as we close the margin.

[Jewstin]

Yeah, I'm a little confused at the calculations. I thought the human polls were two-thirds of the equation? How does Texas have that big of a bump i the computer polls to be ahead of us?

Well, after looking at the numbers, Texas just has a humongous lead in the computer polls for some reason. I imagine this will change drastically with a road victory over Oklahoma State.

Harris Poll: + .0074 advantage OU
Coach's Poll: +.0275 advantage OU
Computers: - .060 advantage Texas

Now, if you take a third of all of those, you get the amount contributed to the BCS average, which is a net of around .008363 points or so (the difference between our scores).

There are two polls that have Texas ranked #1 above Alabama (*confused*).

http://cfn.scout.com/2/582114.html

[colinreturn]

If that happened then UT would go due to the head-to-head with us...regardless of the rankings. This would not force a 3 way tie. We need Tech to win or both Tech and UT to lose. I think. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

exactly. tech loses. we jump texas. texas goes.

[JLEW1818]

If Leach ****s this up for me, I will personally drive down to Lubbock and take care of his BYU loving ***.

[Bosley]

They've played OSU and Mizzou, we haven't yet.

[jkjsooner]

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-bcs20-2008nov20,0,2096936.story

I'm trying to think of a way for this to happen but I think it's impossible at this point. The best bet was for one of the three in the south to lose to Missouri and the other two to go to the national title game but Tech has no chance to go to the CCG on BCS ranking alone and if OU loses to OSU we're out anyway.

I'm frankly surprised that the BCS guys didn't think about this when they made the rule that only two teams from a conference can play for a BCS title. I remember bringing up this situation years ago and wondered what they would do if it happened.

[tommieharris91]

http://msn.foxsports.com/id/8839832_37_1.pdf

The computers have me thinking that, if we win this weekend and the voters don't change their vote, OU will move on.

[DallasSooner87]

A link for you viewing pleasure.
http://msn.foxsports.com/id/8839832_37_1.pdf

TH91 just beat me to it.

[Rock Hard Corn Frog]

Well, after looking at the numbers, Texas just has a humongous lead in the computer polls for some reason. I imagine this will change drastically with a road victory over Oklahoma State.

Harris Poll: + .0074 advantage OU
Coach's Poll: +.0275 advantage OU
Computers: - .060 advantage Texas

Now, if you take a third of all of those, you get the amount contributed to the BCS average, which is a net of around .008363 points or so (the difference between our scores).

There are two polls that have Texas ranked #1 above Alabama (*confused*).

http://cfn.scout.com/2/582114.html


That .008 margin is so small that it could mean only 4-5 votes in either of the polls need to move OU up a spot or Texas down a spot or maybe 1 or 2 of the computer rankings move one spot.

Unless we beat OSU getting a 5th down or someething like that I can't see us not jumping Texas with a win.

[JLEW1818]

There actually is a way for 3 teams in the same conference to go. It was discussed on ESPN last week. I'll try and find a link.... Missouri would have to win for it to happen tho.

[JLEW1818]

That .008 margin is so small that it could mean only 4-5 votes in either of the polls need to move OU up a spot or Texas down a spot or maybe 1 or 2 of the computer rankings move one spot.

Unless we beat OSU getting a 5th down or someething like that I can't see us not jumping Texas with a win.



You know the funny thing?? The Longhorns know that too!!!!!! :D

[sendbaht]

I like the number 3 slot this week. If gives OUr guys motivation to win big.
Plus we get to see how texas does Thursday. Fun to see them lose or sputter......

[JLEW1818]

Fact

If we lose to the pokes, texas goes to the national championship

[utex74]

texas is screwed either way, they need us to beat osu and if we do we will jump them, if we lose tech goes

Actually, if you lose to OSU we are in great shape. Tech plays Mizzou in the CCG and the winner goes to the Fiesta while we go to the MNC game. I'll take Miami over Kansas City any time.

[yermom]

There actually is a way for 3 teams in the same conference to go. It was discussed on ESPN last week. I'll try and find a link.... Missouri would have to win for it to happen tho.

my understanding is that if the #1 and #2 teams in the BCS are from the same conference but aren't the conference champ that the conference champ doesn't get the auto-bid

[StoopTroup]

ESPN finally posted it too.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/BCSStandings?week=6 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/BCSStandings?week=6)

We're behind .0084.

[IronHorseSooner]

That .008 margin is so small that it could mean only 4-5 votes in either of the polls need to move OU up a spot or Texas down a spot or maybe 1 or 2 of the computer rankings move one spot.

Unless we beat OSU getting a 5th down or someething like that I can't see us not jumping Texas with a win.

Having a background in statistics and dealing with numbers everyday, :texan: is screwed. The ONLY thing keeping them ahead of us is having played [hairGel] . That's it. Beat THE MAN :D , and we're in. It goes like this:

1. We will have beaten [hairGel] on the road, whereas :texan: beat them at home (the humans and computers factor this).

2. We are very close when we factor the strength of common victories:
- OUr win over TTECH almost equals theirs over us.
- OUr win over TCU almost equals theirs over Mizzou.
- OUr win over Cincy almost equals theirs over OSU.
This would give us another strong opponent that :texan: couldn't match. Their next best was KU (after their implosion), after that, it was Rice. Again, a win over :stunned: tips the strength scales back over them.

3. OUtside of championship games, this game and the UF/FSU game are the last two with significant games left. Wins by FLA and us hurt :texan: .

4. In reference to #2, something that Coach SHOULD stump next week is that we would be the ONLY team to have beaten 4 (if you count where KU was when we beat them, 5), BCS Top 20 teams (:stunned: , TTECH, TCU, and Cincy). No other team can say that, not :texan: , not FLA, not SUC, not even 'Bama- NOBODY!!!!!

Again, :texan: maybe #2 now, but they are not in control of their own destiny. If we lose, they are hosed, because it would then be advantage TTECH. The only way :texan: gets in is by TTECH losing to Baylor, and I don't see Graham Harrell losing on Senior Day in Lubbock to a good freshman, but still a freshman, QB.

[JLEW1818]

my understanding is that if the #1 and #2 teams in the BCS are from the same conference but aren't the conference champ that the conference champ doesn't get the auto-bid

something of that sort, it will just give me a headache if i find it. haha

[BoulderSooner79]

Actually, if you lose to OSU we are in great shape. Tech plays Mizzou in the CCG and the winner goes to the Fiesta while we go to the MNC game. I'll take Miami over Kansas City any time.

You could be right. I would not have believed it before today, but UT has a big lead over USC right now. I still wouldn't trust the human voters though - they could decide UT is out in the same way they did last year with UGA.

[JLEW1818]

There is a remote chance this year that Missouri could win the Big 12 title and two one-loss schools from the Big 12 South could end up No. 1 and No. 2 in the BCS standings. So what gives? "There would be three [Big 12] teams in that case," BCS spokesman Bill Hancock confirmed Wednesday. In this scenario, one-loss USC could get knocked all the way to the Holiday Bowl if Oregon State earns the Rose Bowl bid. USC, at 11-1, figured to be a lock for an at-large berth, which would earn an additional $4.5 million for the Pacific 10 Conference. But those plans could change if the Big 12 ended up with three of the 10 BCS slots. The Big 12 would then have two of the four available at-large bids, and a non-BCS school figures to earn another with a top-12 finish. That would leave only one at-large spot left.


http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/78334

[EnragedOUfan]

I say we prepare ourselves for the worst. OU will not jump Texas in the BCS. Our chances of going to the Big 12 championship were in my opinion pretty much eliminated when the latest BCS rankings had Texas at #2 and OU at #3. I believe the only chance OU has at going to the CCG is if we put up the same score that was done against Tech. Otherwise, OU will not jump Texas in the computers. We all know that Texas will slaughter ATM which will guarantee them to maintain their ranking. I hate to say this, but if OU was to lose this weekend, I would be upset but not that upset. An OU loss would prevent Texas from going. But, I really don't see OU losing. What will really suck is if McCoy wins the Heisman due to his Big 12 championship performance and him having an extra game to play in. I'm sure I'll get hammered for this post, but I say if we prepare for the worst now, when it comes it will not be as bad. BOOMER!

[OUAndy1807]

As of last week Colley's had Texas #1 and Tech #3.

[JLEW1818]

dude, texas will do nothing but lose ground this week, assuming florida and Oklahoma both win

[Jewstin]

The only way Texas makes up ground is if human voters change their votes in Texas' favor. Not likely to happen, even with a 1 point win. We're going to have to play well to beat OSU this year ... we won't be able to drag *** and squeak by a victory this year, so the whole "looked bad in a victory" consideration is moot. Besides, I don't think anyone would give any credence to that notion considering OSU's rank, home record, and the location of the game.

Margin of victory is no longer a part of the computer calculations.

We win and we're in... and if not, then I call shenanigans.

[StoopTroup]

You don't seem enraged. I'd say your more pessimistic.

I'd rather see you enraged. You should work on that. If we win and pass texas...will you become more enraged again?


I say we prepare ourselves for the worst. OU will not jump Texas in the BCS. Our chances of going to the Big 12 championship were in my opinion pretty much eliminated when the latest BCS rankings had Texas at #2 and OU at #3. I believe the only chance OU has at going to the CCG is if we put up the same score that was done against Tech. Otherwise, OU will not jump Texas in the computers. We all know that Texas will slaughter ATM which will guarantee them to maintain their ranking. I hate to say this, but if OU was to lose this weekend, I would be upset but not that upset. An OU loss would prevent Texas from going. But, I really don't see OU losing. What will really suck is if McCoy wins the Heisman due to his Big 12 championship performance and him having an extra game to play in. I'm sure I'll get hammered for this post, but I say if we prepare for the worst now, when it comes it will not be as bad. BOOMER!

[JLEW1818]

LETS NOT GET ****ING STUPID PENALTIES NEXT WEEK



NIC YOU ARE EXCUSED

[JLEW1818]

WOW TURN IT TO ESPN

MACK BROWN IS ON THE PHONE

[soonerborn45]

Texas - 0.920
OU - 0.912

We are 0.008 behind with a College Gameday 7 pm nationally televised game left on the road against the #13 ranked team in the BCS.

That will really boost our computer average if we win. And Texas has a crappy A&M team at home....not helping their computer average, possibly hurting it.

If we beat OSU, we are in. Our season comes down to Stillwater. Make or break.

I totally agree. Even though saxet beat us on a neutral field, a road win would be better than that. If you look at all the teams in the big 12 south they all win at home. There as not been a huge road win. Texas lost theirs, TT lost theirs, OSU lost both of theirs. If OU could beat OSU at slim pickens stadium they will definately jump them.

[ARW3]

Texas is above us in the computers because we're ranked so high. Our position is pulling them up.

[PalmBeachSooner]

Who's worse than AtM?

The only thing out of our control is if Baylor upsets Tech at Tech

If that happened Texas would have to take the same hit that OU would, if you are referring to strength of schedule.

[GreaterState]

Having a background in statistics and dealing with numbers everyday, :texan: is screwed. The ONLY thing keeping them ahead of us is having played [hairGel] . That's it. Beat THE MAN :D , and we're in.

I don't know where you get your statistics or which numbers you are looking at, but you have as good an idea as I do of what will happen if you beat orange aggy, which is to say not a very good one.



- OUr win over TCU almost equals theirs over Mizzou.
- OUr win over Cincy almost equals theirs over OSU.


You had some decent points but sorry, this is laughable. Beating TCU and Cincy trumps most of UT's nonconference schedule -- that's all. If you want wins to "equal" OSU and Mizzou, you'll need to go beat OSU and Mizzou.

[PhilTLL]

If that happened Texas would have to take the same hit that OU would, if you are referring to strength of schedule.

If THAT happened, the whole argument is pointless, as Texas will go to the Big 12 game automatically. Only two 1-loss teams left and they would break the tie.

[JLEW1818]

yep, if Leach ****s it up i'll kill him. Lets just be happy that Tech is still healthy.... Tech will be pumped up very much, because they want a BCS bowl. They hope we lose to poke state, then they will go to the big 12 ship. So techs mind set will still be good.

The real question is what has a better chance of happening....

Baylor beating Tech

or

Aggie beating texas

[IronHorseSooner]

I don't know where you get your statistics or which numbers you are looking at, but you have as good an idea as I do of what will happen if you beat orange aggy, which is to say not a very good one.



You had some decent points but sorry, this is laughable. Beating TCU and Cincy trumps most of UT's nonconference schedule -- that's all. If you want wins to "equal" OSU and Mizzou, you'll need to go beat OSU and Mizzou.

First, I am talking about the computers, not human voters. Computers don't care about a non-con v. a conference game. We'll take care of the OSU part this week, and barring Mack putting an Obama-like UT ad on this week after Thanksgiving politicking his position, we'll take care of Mizzou in KC as well. And, guess what, Jerry Palm, the BCS guru agrees...BTW, on par, there really is no way to do justice to these three teams. We are stuck with what we have.

[JLEW1818]

Honestly, I've been thinking about it for a while. If Florida loses this weekend Texas will remain ahead of us in the BCS. Texas would gain a lot more ground through the human polls.

[tommieharris91]

Ohh, and Utah is not the #3 team in the country. 2 computers have Utah at #3.

[BoulderSooner79]

yep, if Leach ****s it up i'll kill him. Lets just be happy that Tech is still healthy.... Tech will be pumped up very much, because they want a BCS bowl. They hope we lose to poke state, then they will go to the big 12 ship. So techs mind set will still be good.

The real question is what has a better chance of happening....

Baylor beating Tech

or

Aggie beating texas

That's one is easy - Baylor has been getting feisty lately. They killed aTm and were tied with Mizzou mid-4th qtr and only lost by 3. That game worries me - sure glad it is in Lubbock.

[1890MilesToNorman]

Tech has to win! Tech has to win! Tech has to win!

We have to Win!

If Tech loses we are toast. Unless Mizzou beats Texas in the CCG.

[JLEW1818]

yep me 2..... but who knows ..... aggies playing on thanksgiving..... aggies can spoil texas for the 3rd straight year.... i probably have a better chance hitting the lottery but may Jarrod Johnson can do something.

[JLEW1818]

Tech has to win! Tech has to win! Tech has to win!

We have to Win!

If Tech loses we are toast. Unless Mizzou beats Texas in the CCG.

Regardless if we lose, texas will go to the national title

[GreaterState]

First, I am talking about the computers, not human voters. Computers don't care about a non-con v. a conference game. We'll take care of the OSU part this week, and barring Mack putting an Obama-like UT ad on this week after Thanksgiving politicking his position, we'll take care of Mizzou in KC as well. And, guess what, Jerry Palm, the BCS guru agrees...BTW, on par, there really is no way to do justice to these three teams. We are stuck with what we have.

We arrived at the same spot -- if everything goes well for OU, you'll have your own OSU and Mizzou games to compare. I agree it's likely that OU comes out on top if they beat OSU (and well, not sloppy), but it's far from a certainty. After all, A&H has Utah as their No. 2 team today and I'd love to find out how.

Oh and I will expect everyone who keeps saying Mack is a whiny politicker to personally prevent Big Game Bob -- oh, too late, he's already lobbying.

[josh09]

We will jump texass with a win next week. Im very confident.

[OU_Sooners75]

Does a Win against a ranked Oklahoma State put us over the top? on the road

It should.

If we win, the coaches will not drop us. The computers will improve. Giving us the lead overall.

The Harris Poll, that thing is a joke and makes the BCS that much more of a joke. There is no reason for Texas to have that big of a lead in the Harris poll.

If the Harris poll gave OU 3-4 more higher votes (just one sot above Texas), we would be #2 in the BCS.

I could careless right now though. If both Texas and OU wins out, they both are in position to make the BCS Title game if Alabama loses one and Florida also trips up or has a poor showing against Florida State (which they may lose).

[SoonerGrad2003]

Exactly--if every pollster votes the same as this week, we will easily make up the difference in the computers with a win at OSU.

I'm worried that enough pollsters change their minds next week and OU drops to 3 in the human polls. That would really ruin my football season.

[EnragedOUfan]

You don't seem enraged. I'd say your more pessimistic.

I'd rather see you enraged. You should work on that. If we win and pass texas...will you become more enraged again?

If that happens, I will have no problem eating my own words. If that was to happen, I would happily eat my words because OU would be going to the CCG.

[TopDawg]

The Harris Poll, that thing is a joke and makes the BCS that much more of a joke. There is no reason for Texas to have that big of a lead in the Harris poll.

This (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/BCSStandings?week=6) shows that the Harris Poll has Texas at #4 behind Bama, Florida and OU...in that order.

[JLEW1818]

yes Texas is behind us and fl in both human polls

[Partial Qualifier]

SynTex, Hornfans.com's 'BCS Guru' has proven to be pretty accurate with his analysis/prognosis in the past.... here's his take:




SynTex
BCS Guru
11/23/08 09:01 PM

Conclusion First

Texas' chances to win the Big XII took it on the chin this week. OU gained a staggering 59 points on Texas in the coaches poll, and an also stunning 122 points in the Harris poll. Texas' current 0.06 advantage in the computers is the only reason they remain ahead of OU in the BCS. Unfortunately, I think that most (if not all) of this computer advantage will be going away when next weekend's action is completed. Texas therefore needs to pick up meaningful votes in the human polls if they want to win the three way tie. I'm encouraged that several in the media are on Texas' "side", but I don't know if that could possibly translate into anything in the polls to move the meter. If OU and Texas both take care of business, I hate to say it, but OU will probably be going to KC. I believe about 1/4 of the voters need to switch Texas and OU for Texas to get the edge, and that's not likely unless OU really struggles against OSU, and there is a groundswell of support for Texas. I'm rooting for OSU, and I think most people on this board have already figured out that is the right thing to root for at this stage.

All is not lost, there are many other possibilities:

1) What if Baylor beats Tech? Texas controls its destiny (without question).
2) What if FSU beats Florida? Many votes are suddenly thrown into the mix, and Texas is a much stronger beneficiary. Let's just say, it would be a lot more interesting.
3) What if OSU beats OU (after all, it is in Stillwater)? Texas is a heavy favorite to go to the NC championship (regardless of what Tech does)
4) Even if OU beats OSU, what if they lose to Missouri? Texas is almost guaranteed to go to the national championship.
5) What if UF loses to FSU, but beats Bama? Texas is a strong contender to play OU in the NC.
6) What if Bama loses to Auburn, but beats Florida? Texas is a solid contender to play OU in the NC.

Still lots of interesting possibilities. And the 3-way tie, while challenging, is not impossible. Texas needs to take care of business against A&M. We'll see where it goes from there.


Detail on BCS Forecast

This is an early update, as we don't have concrete numbers from A&H, KM or PW computer polls yet. That said, I regret to say that if one wants to be realistic/conservative about this, we should probably kiss the computer advantage good-bye (my base case below).

Base case: Texas and OU have identical computer average. This means Texas needs to convert 13 coaches and 26 Harris voters (about 25% of all voters) to switch OU and Texas on their ballots.

Texas' best-case: Texas has 0.02 computer lead over OU (get key wedges in a couple of important polls, and hang on to leads in A&H, JS, CM and PW). We'd only need to convert 5 coaches and 12 Harris voters if this happened.

Texas' worst case: a couple more computers turn toward OU. Texas suddenly has a 0.03 DEFICIT. We'd have to convert 24 coaches and 48 Harris voters (getting close to half of all voters). Basically, Texas would be screwed.

I've included a full appendix discussing the computer polls, and I'd really welcome any discussion on how people think these shake out. I'll update the discussion and projections if we see anything jump out on the computers that have yet to publish.

WHY IS THIS HAPPENING?

On the computer side, OU gaining on Texas was inevitable. In fact, I now believe OU's schedule is just as strong as Texas. Unfortunately, things took a turn for the worst this weekend when Texas' opponents went a lousy 1-3, while OU's Div I-A opponents went 3-1 (counting KSU). I am also being conservative with expecations because I think there is an uphill battle on this weekend's "battleground" games. I detail these below:

Project Tex opp 3-3
FAU vs. FIU (give it to FAU)
UTEP at ECU (yuck... ECU wins)
Ark vs. LSU (LSU's imploding, but Ark is playing poorly... LSU wins)
Rice vs. UH (UH is dangerous, but hope Rice can win)
CU at Neb (yuck... Neb wins)
Mizz vs. KU (Mizz should win)

Project OU opp 2-0
Cin vs. Syra (be realistic, Cin wins)
Neb vs. CU (yuck... Neb wins)



-------------COMPUTER APPENDIX, FOR THOSE WHO CARE-------------

Here's how I get to a dead even (0.96 vs. 0.96) computer score for Texas and Oklahoma. (* means data not yet available)

Team *AH RB CM *KM JS *PW
Texas 23 22 25 24 25 24
Okla 22 25 24 25 24 23

Poll level detail for those who care:

Anderson & Hester (VULNERABLE)
This has been a fairly stable poll, but we don't have the latest version yet to scrutinize how much ground OU has made on Texas. Bama and Utah have been entrenched at the top for a while on this one. For now, my temptation is to leave it static. 25--Bama 24--Utah 23--Tex 22--OU

Richard Billingsley
Not getting too scientific here. You can see the type of gains teams register when they beat a certain caliber opponent. OU picked up lots of points when they beat Tech, and they'll pick up a bunch more if they beat OSU. While OU already leads Texas as we speak, my fear is that they will jump Alabama. Even worse, I'm afraid Florida may sneak up from the rear and jump Texas. That's two wedges, and that sucks. It's going to be close on Florida, but to be conservative, I project: 25--OU 24--Bama 23--Fla 22-Tex

Colley Matrix
Texas has had a lock on this rating's top spot for several weeks, and although OU is gaining fast, I think Texas has a big enough lead to remain #1. Unfortunately, I think OU will jump Bama, Florida and Utah, taking away what had been a big gap of advantage for us. 25--Tex 24--OU 23--Fla 22--Bama 21--Utah

Kenneth Massey
I don't even see the point of studying this one too much, as OU has already taken the top spot, and Texas is #2. Texas simply can't play catch-up with OU in any poll, so I think it's a given OU stays #1. With TTU directly behind us, I'm not too worried about a possible jump by anyone, but we don't have the data yet, so we'll keep this one statick. 25--OU 24--TX 23--TTU 22--Ala 21--Utah

Jeff Sagarin (VULNERABLE)
OU picked up major ground in this one (remember Elo-Chess is used--similar to the rating system of chess players). It doesn't purportedly take into account recency of the game. Texas has held up better week by week in this poll than I expect, and I am going to take a leap of faith that OU can't replicate the gains they had last week because a) they are playing a lesser opponent, and b) OU is now higher rated, so it becomes less "unusual" for them to beat a top 12 team at this point. Who knows, maybe Texas can get a wedge here (you never know). If this one doesn't work in our favor, a lot comes unhinged. 25--Tex 24--OU 23--Ala 22--TTU

Peter Wolfe (VULNERABLE)
Without the data, can't comment too much on how strong Texas' lead over OU is. But I don't like Tech as a wedge between Texas and OU. At a minimum, OU will probably jump Tech. 25--Ala 24--Tex 23--OU 22-TTU 21-Utah

[Toilet Seat Terror]

The way things stand, I'm very optimistic about our chances to pass Texas if we can manage to win in Stillwater. Schedule strength alone should be enough to make up the difference once Texas's win over OSU is no longer providing them with an advantage.

In other words, the status quo now favors OU in the BCS standings for breaking that potential 3-way tie. The worst thing that can happen to us now would be for Florida to be upset by FSU; the last thing we want is a bunch of human votes up for grab that could potentially break to Texas.

I agree that Texas is between a rock and a hard place here. They need OU to win for that 3-way to come into fruition, but if OU wins, then they will in all likelihood jump up to #2. There's still a possibility that Texas could go to the championship game without playing for the Big XII title, but that opens up a whole new can of worms in its own rite.

[JLEW1818]

Oklahoma winning in stoolwater will only get Oklahoma more votes. Florida winning @ Florida state is big for us too

[JLEW1818]

and Texas losing thursday would probably give me a ****ing heart attack

[LRoss]

Of course it's true that a Florida loss would toss more valuable human votes up for grabs, but it's worth noting that there's 1 computer poll where they're between us and the Texas, so it would help us make up a bit of the computer difference. I know the human polls are weighted more heavily, but presumably we would add some of those human votes too. Bottom line -- I don't think a Florida loss hurts us in the end, and might even give us a "back door" into the BCS championship game if Tech lost and Florida beat Bama. Gosh my head hurts.

[mOUse]

Oklahomas problem right now is Chatanooga. Because they played a non div1a school, oklahoma is only credited with 9 games not 10. I dont know if the game vs OSU will do it. The computer ranking don't shine favorably on OU right now.

[TopDawg]

I'm not too worried about a Florida loss moving Texas ahead of us in the polls.

It's not as if those people are voting JUST for Florida and their votes will then have to go JUST to Texas or JUST to Oklahoma. Based on the human polls, Florida is ranked above OU and Texas on more ballots than they are not. A loss by Florida would likely just move OU and Texas up one spot in all of those polls. It's not likely that a voter would move Texas ahead of OU because Florida lost to Florida State.

Now, since we are #2 in one poll, there are probably more instances where we are currently ahead of Florida and a loss by the Gators would only move the Longhorns up a spot...so that worries me a little, but I don't think the net gain there would be significant enough to negate our computer gain.

[TopDawg]

Oklahomas problem right now is Chatanooga. Because they played a non div1a school, oklahoma is only credited with 9 games not 10. I dont know if the game vs OSU will do it. The computer ranking don't shine favorably on OU right now.

I'm not sure this is entirely true.

I think I remember schools being allowed to count a certain number of FCS wins toward bowl eligibility every so many years. I can't remember the details, but I don't think games against FCS schools are automatically not counted.

It may be the case in one or more of the computer polls that they don't take those games into account, but I don't think it's a hard and fast BCS rule.

I haven't found anything about this though...anybody else?

[tommieharris91]

Oklahomas problem right now is Chatanooga. Because they played a non div1a school, oklahoma is only credited with 9 games not 10. I dont know if the game vs OSU will do it. The computer ranking don't shine favorably on OU right now.

Washington has beaten as many 1-A teams as Chattannoga.

[sooner59]

If Florida can get away with playing Citadel and get in the MNC, they should let us slide, too. If not....I, too, will call shenanigans.

[yermom]

I'm not sure this is entirely true.

I think I remember schools being allowed to count a certain number of FCS wins toward bowl eligibility every so many years. I can't remember the details, but I don't think games against FCS schools are automatically not counted.

It may be the case in one or more of the computer polls that they don't take those games into account, but I don't think it's a hard and fast BCS rule.

I haven't found anything about this though...anybody else?

i believe they ditched that rule altogether with the 12 game season, wins over AA teams just count now, not every 4 years or whatever

but it's only for bowl eligibility, it doesn't have anything to do with SOS rankings, as far as i know

we'd be better off if it didn't count...

[JLEW1818]

What really gives me a laugh is, on the horn board, the expert horns know if we win we will jump

[JLEW1818]

45-35 Campaign
Edit post Reply to this post

There is a movement started on orangebloods to get the entire stadium a sign that reads: 45-35 for the game on Thursday. I am copying a letter from the organizer as they are trying to get everyone involved:

We're working on a campaign to get 50k+ signs at the aggie game for people to hold up "45-35" since we are on national tv that night. So far, the organization is in its infancy. We've done some email to the statesman and the daily texan and I encourage you all to do the same.

I would have started a thread about it but I need more posts to do so, but if someone could do that here it would be great.

Here are the relevant email addresses and links, and what I have initially typed up:

AAS:The Link

Texan:
editor: [email protected]
managing editor: [email protected]
Sports: [email protected]

My letter as it stands if you'd like to copy it:
There is a hope amongst Longhorn fans that we can maintain the current #2 spot in the BCS standings and thus advance to the Big 12 Championship game. In the scenario that appears to be working out, this may not happen unless UT can gain ground in the Coaches and Harris Polls.

What we would like to do is have 98,000 signs that read "45-35" (the UT v Oklahoma score) on them to hand out before the game. We were wondering if the Statesman could print a special insert that reads "45-35" that could be passed out Thursday before the Texas v A&M primetime football game. It's our last chance to make a statement to the national media. Any help the Statesman could give would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you and Hook 'Em,

I think this would be awesome if we could get the lower bowl minimum. Join in!

[sooner59]

If we go to the Big 12 CCG, I wish we could find the people that organized the halftime thing at the OU-TX game, which worked pretty well, to help us trick the entire stadium at Arrowhead into making one during a timeout or something towards the end of the game that read "See you in Miami (upside down longhorn)" If that were aired on television it would be my new background. And it would really rub it in for Pony boy and Clappy.

[jeepdad]

Just something else to throw in the mix ... if my Mizzou (God forbid) is upset by Kansas this week, it could pull down Texas a bit in the computer rankings. So I'm sure Sooner fans will be rooting for the Jayhawks, no?

[JLEW1818]

yep, Kansas is meaningless for both teams, so a misso loss could help us.

[tommieharris91]

Something else to **** off everyone here: The Wolfe and Sagarin computers both have Tech ahead of OU. Ohh, and we're only .01 ahead of Tech in the computers.

[JLEW1818]

It will go down some next week. Texas and Tech have to play the 2 worst teams in the big 12 south.

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

Wanna know how I know they are idiots?



Heh

Donovan is that you writing? heh

[yermom]

Something else to **** off everyone here: The Wolfe and Sagarin computers both have Tech ahead of OU. Ohh, and we're only .01 ahead of Tech in the computers.

we trounced them well enough that the humans will keep them below us unless we lose

[Leroy Lizard]

On hornfans, they are complaining that head-to-head should be all that matters. This is coming from the same fan club that always cried every year that UT was a better team than OU at the end of the season, even if OU won the RRS.

[The Maestro]

On hornfans, they are complaining that head-to-head should be all that matters. This is coming from the same fan club that always cried every year that UT was a better team than OU at the end of the season, even if OU won the RRS.

Someone should tell those fools the head to head thing is just fine and dandy. Leave us out of it. Now just do that with Texas Tech.

It seems every texas argument has one simple plan. Leave Texas Tech out of it. Well, you can't do that! We admit our defeat. It happened. That is why if OU gets left out, well...no one to blame, really. I don't think it is fair based on the important fact of "body of work", but winning eliminates that issue.

[TopDawg]

There are two ways that our head-to-head argument loses traction.

A) We are the only team of the three that didn't lose on the road. The fact that our loss occurred on a neutral field while Texas and Tech's losses occurred on the road is at least worth considering.

B) Barring a crazy few weeks, Texas Tech is now out of the BCS national title picture. In this respect, our own blow-out win kinda works against our argument. We beat Tech so bad that there's no reason to consider them for the BCS title game. So we're only left with OU and Texas (in this 3-way tie). And of those two teams, Texas has the head-to-head win.

Now there are clearly many other reasons to vote for OU over Texas. I think people SHOULD vote OU over Texas. I think looking only at head-to-head is short-sighted, especially when you don't take into account other extenuating circumstances of that game (specifically injuries). But to say that our head-to-head argument is naive. It's kinda fun to lob back there, but it's also pretty easily, and reasonably, dismissed.

[MamaMia]

playin' citadel killed Florida..


I'm still not sure we'll pass texas no matter what happens. unless they lose I think they got itThats the same ole song I've been singing.

[yermom]

if we win at Stoolwater we'll be the only one of the 4 good South teams with a win on the road against one of them

[Salt City Sooner]

There are two ways that our head-to-head argument loses traction.

A) We are the only team of the three that didn't lose on the road. The fact that our loss occurred on a neutral field while Texas and Tech's losses occurred on the road is at least worth considering.

B) Barring a crazy few weeks, Texas Tech is now out of the BCS national title picture. In this respect, our own blow-out win kinda works against our argument. We beat Tech so bad that there's no reason to consider them for the BCS title game. So we're only left with OU and Texas (in this 3-way tie). And of those two teams, Texas has the head-to-head win.

Now there are clearly many other reasons to vote for OU over Texas. I think people SHOULD vote OU over Texas. I think looking only at head-to-head is short-sighted, especially when you don't take into account other extenuating circumstances of that game (specifically injuries). But to say that our head-to-head argument is naive. It's kinda fun to lob back there, but it's also pretty easily, and reasonably, dismissed.
They're not as far out of it as one might think. In fact, Jerry Palm was on the Herd this morning & said that his NC game pick was Tech vs. Florida because he picked OSU to beat OU. This would send Tech to the CCG, which he picked TTU to beat MU in. He said he'd expect the voters to leap TTU over UT because they'd have the conference title, plus a win over the 'horns. Not exactly a far-fetched scenario.

[TexasLidig8r]

They're not as far out of it as one might think. In fact, Jerry Palm was on the Herd this morning & said that his NC game pick was Tech vs. Florida because he picked OSU to beat OU. This would send Tech to the CCG, which he picked TTU to beat MU in. He said he'd expect the voters to leap TTU over UT because they'd have the conference title, plus a win over the 'horns. Not exactly a far-fetched scenario.

Palm didn't figure in how the computers are killing Tech.

[tommieharris91]

Palm didn't figure in how the computers are killing Tech.

Something else to **** off everyone here: The Wolfe and Sagarin computers both have Tech ahead of OU. Ohh, and we're only .01 ahead of Tech in the computers.
:confused:

[JLEW1818]

The way I see it.

If we win in stoolwater we go to the big 12. If we lose tech goes to the big 12 ship, but teaxas goes to the national title game. That can't happen?... Go ask Nebraska back in 2001 when they lost to Colorado and Colorado beat texas and Nebraska went on to play Miami.

It's very important that Florida beats Florida State. One would think we would get even more human votes from texas if we won on the road. Every vote matters now, it would be nice to have stoops vote right now.

[OUmillenium]

I think if Tech fulfills that scenario, the human voters will compensate for computer ranking enough that they will make it to the NC game.

[JLEW1818]

No Chance. We lose UT goes on.

[soonerfan28]

We played and lost on a neutral field so I'll give them that but we played a team that they were barely competitive with and we won by 44. I'll say that with homefield advantage that should give us 10 to 14 which means that we would've beaten them by 30 on a neutral field. Also Texas played OSU at home and won by 4. If we go to Stillwater and win by 3 TD's then we should easily be ahead even if they put it to A&M who is another team that we blew out on the road and they get at home. If we lose then nobody will complain.

[TopDawg]

They're not as far out of it as one might think. In fact, Jerry Palm was on the Herd this morning & said that his NC game pick was Tech vs. Florida because he picked OSU to beat OU. This would send Tech to the CCG, which he picked TTU to beat MU in. He said he'd expect the voters to leap TTU over UT because they'd have the conference title, plus a win over the 'horns. Not exactly a far-fetched scenario.

I would chalk that up to "a crazy few weeks." It would mean that quite a few voters would have to think "Oops, I got that one wrong. The wins over Baylor and Missouri show me that Texas Tech actually DOES deserve to be ranked ahead of Texas, USC and Utah." I don't see that happening. It would go against the tendencies the voters have shown us time and time again. It certainly COULD happen...but that'd be pretty crazy in my book.

[JLEW1818]

Winning in stoolwater will be significant in the human and computer polls right?

[TopDawg]

It'll be bigger for us in the computer polls because it'll raise our strength of schedule.

I don't know that the humans will be much more impressed with us than they currently are. If we beat OSU, I think the Alabama/Auburn and Florida/Florida State games will actually determine how many more human votes we might get. If either of those teams struggles against their opponent, we might pick up a few votes here or there.

[JLEW1818]

Right Texas might receive more, so i hope the 2 sec big boys win good. ... but who knows

[Salt City Sooner]

They're not as far out of it as one might think. In fact, Jerry Palm was on the Herd this morning & said that his NC game pick was Tech vs. Florida because he picked OSU to beat OU. This would send Tech to the CCG, which he picked TTU to beat MU in. He said he'd expect the voters to leap TTU over UT because they'd have the conference title, plus a win over the 'horns. Not exactly a far-fetched scenario.
FWIW, ESPN's guru, Brad Edwards, is in the same boat as Palm. From his chat today:


Alex (Dallas, TX): If OU loses to OSU this weekend, and TTU proceeds to win the Big XII title, do you see Texas getting the nod to the national title game despite not winning their own division?

Brad Edwards: (1:26 PM ET ) I know other people don't buy into this, but I truly believe if Oklahoma loses on Saturday, and Texas Tech ends up winning the Big 12 title, that Tech will play in the BCS championship game. I don't think voters would have any choice but to move them over Texas because of head-to-head and the conference title.

http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=23782

[TAFBSooner]

Most of you seem to be concentrating on the Big XII championship. Why not root for an Auburn win or an FSU win, or both? Then it doesn't matter if OU or texas gets more BCS points. As long as the one that goes to KC wins there, we should both get to Miami. I sure like our chances in a rematch vs :texan: .

The highest available goal is winning the national championship. Next to that is a season where we beat every team we played. KC is a distant third.

I think 'Bama is vulnerable. The only problem with this scenario is if they lose both their remaining games. Then we can worry about points.

Obligatory - we have to beat OSU!

[TexasLidig8r]

We played and lost on a neutral field so I'll give them that but we played a team that they were barely competitive with and we won by 44. I'll say that with homefield advantage that should give us 10 to 14 which means that we would've beaten them by 30 on a neutral field. Also Texas played OSU at home and won by 4. If we go to Stillwater and win by 3 TD's then we should easily be ahead even if they put it to A&M who is another team that we blew out on the road and they get at home. If we lose then nobody will complain.

Using that logic, you beat KU at home on a clear, warm day by only 14 and they hung 31 on your defense. We beat KU at their place, on senior day, on a very cold, blustery day by 28 and their offense only scored once as they were held to their lowest point total at home in 3 years. As such, we should be playing in the CCG.

[Sooner02]

How about we concentrate solely on Oklahoma State right now?

[Howzit]

Using that logic, you beat KU at home on a clear, warm day by only 14 and they hung 31 on your defense. We beat KU at their place, on senior day, on a very cold, blustery day by 28 and their offense only scored once as they were held to their lowest point total at home in 3 years. As such, we should be playing in the CCG.

Yes, but regarding Texas Tech, we were the spankers and you were the spankees.

[oubose]

When Penn St. had a bye week they didn't move up in the poles, why the h*ll did texas advance? The last real team they played was TT and they lost.

[StoopTroup]

How about we concentrate solely on Oklahoma State right now?

Some of us are really good multi-taskers. :D

[TexasLidig8r]

Yes, but regarding Texas Tech, we were the spankers and you were the spankees.

I thought you were the Spanker and Scooter was the Spankee. :confused:

[triplet]

What I want to know from Texas fan is this:

If OSU beats OU this weekend, TT beats Baylor, and Texas beats A&M and TT wins the south will they have a problem playing in the NC game if TT beats Missouri in the conference championship game?

After all Texas fan TT "proved it" on the field that they are better than you and won the conference and you didn't right???? I would assume that if that is the way you feel about OU then the same argument would be made against you right? I'm sure Smack Brown would go on national tv and plead with voters not to vote Texas above Tech since Tech won head to head right? I'm sure your sports information department would be texting voters to remind them of the head to head competition that settled it on the field right? I'm confident that Texas would decline to play in the BCS championship game b/c afterall they did not win head to head let alone their own division in their conference?

Take a look at Tech's conference resume v Texas resume if the above happens:

Tech wins: Baylor (at home), Texas (at home), OSU (blowout at home), A&M (road win), Nebraska (at home), Missouri (neutral field), Kansas (blowout on the road), KSU (road win)

Tech losses: OU(blowout on the road)

Texas wins: OU(neutral field), Colorado(on the road), Missouri(blow out at home), OSU(at home), Baylor(at home), Kansas(blowout on the road), A&M(at home)

Texas losses: TT(on the road)

Now according to Texas logic the head to head is all that really matters in this discussion and clearly TT proved it on the field that they are better than Texas but I doubt that Texas' argument would stay the same if this sceario played out!

[soonerboy_odanorth]

What I want to know from Texas fan is this:

If OSU beats OU this weekend, TT beats Baylor, and Texas beats A&M and TT wins the south will they have a problem playing in the NC game if TT beats Missouri in the conference championship game?

After all Texas fan TT "proved it" on the field that they are better than you and won the conference and you didn't right???? I would assume that if that is the way you feel about OU then the same argument would be made against you right? I'm sure Smack Brown would go on national tv and plead with voters not to vote Texas above Tech since Tech won head to head right? I'm sure your sports information department would be texting voters to remind them of the head to head competition that settled it on the field right? I'm confident that Texas would decline to play in the BCS championship game b/c afterall they did not win head to head let alone their own division in their conference?

Take a look at Tech's conference resume v Texas resume if the above happens:

Tech wins: Baylor (at home), Texas (at home), OSU (blowout at home), A&M (road win), Nebraska (at home), Missouri (neutral field), Kansas (blowout on the road), KSU (road win)

Tech losses: OU(blowout on the road)

Texas wins: OU(neutral field), Colorado(on the road), Missouri(blow out at home), OSU(at home), Baylor(at home), Kansas(blowout on the road), A&M(at home)

Texas losses: TT(on the road)

Now according to Texas logic the head to head is all that really matters in this discussion and clearly TT proved it on the field that they are better than Texas but I doubt that Texas' argument would stay the same if this sceario played out!

Trip...

As one of your Sooners bretheren not trying to crack on you, but that's a really long way of saying...

Let's win out, and see what happens then.

Boomer Sooner!!!!

[Curly Bill]

Have I posted in this thread yet?

Helloooooo, can anyone here me?

er, nevermind....

[aero]

wow. the eveready bunny. let's kick osu worse than we did tt. then we can talk about the B12 CCG. BOOMER.

[JLEW1818]

Have I posted in this thread yet?

Helloooooo, can anyone here me?

er, nevermind....

I'm on to you boy :eek:

[Curly Bill]

I'm on to you boy :eek:

Dude, get off me you perv! :eek:

[JLEW1818]

hehe, so what is this BCS

[Curly Bill]

hehe, so what is this BCS

From what I hear it's something brought forth by aliens to frustrate and bedevil those among us who want more then anything, even life itself, a playoff system. :P

[TXHornsFan]

Let me throw out something for tor the conspiracy theorists to chew on. OU is ahead of Texas in the coaches poll. Mack is a voter. What if he forgets to put OU anywhere on his ballot next week? OU loses 22 or 23 pts. in that poll. Suddenly, the lead Texas needs to keep in the computers is MUCH smaller.

[JLEW1818]

Do the votes become public this week? or is that at the end of the season?

[yermom]

Let me throw out something for tor the conspiracy theorists to chew on. OU is ahead of Texas in the coaches poll. Mack is a voter. What if he forgets to put OU anywhere on his ballot next week? OU loses 22 or 23 pts. in that poll. Suddenly, the lead Texas needs to keep in the computers is MUCH smaller.

then he remembers the next week and no one has any idea

[TexasLidig8r]

Let me throw out something for tor the conspiracy theorists to chew on. OU is ahead of Texas in the coaches poll. Mack is a voter. What if he forgets to put OU anywhere on his ballot next week? OU loses 22 or 23 pts. in that poll. Suddenly, the lead Texas needs to keep in the computers is MUCH smaller.

Mack wouldn't do that. Too classy and the long term ramifications would be pretty severe.

[JLEW1818]

Lid, is it the polls after the big 12 ship that become public? or end of season? or end of this week ?

[TopDawg]

It's the ones at the end of next week. After the conference championships.

So he could do it this week to help Texas get into the title game and then put OU back on the ballot next week when it (probably) no longer matters.

I'm with Lid, though. I don't think he'll do it either. He might drop us a little lower than other coaches would, but I don't think he'll "forget" to put us on there.

[TXHornsFan]

Mack wouldn't do that. Too classy and the long term ramifications would be pretty severe.


I know that, but I would also be surprised if his honest subjective opinion does not have OU down a couple of spots from Texas. (As a Texas fan I would be disappointed if he didn't.) But the point is to show (1) that when the polls are this close, only a slight shift can change the outcome - especially with the convoluted BCS formula, and (2) there is room for manipulation among the voters.

Obviously, my desired result is for Texas to stay ahead of OU, but realistically I think the gap in the computers will narrow enough for OU to jump Texas IF THE POLLS STAY THE SAME. But that is a big "if". There have been fairly large swings over the last 3 weeks, and there is no certainty that the current voting is static. There may be "soft" votes that will move back and forth. Texas will certainly stay ahead of OU in the overall computer ranking (but by a smaller margin than the current .06), so every inch of movement in the polls is critical. It would not take but a few changed votes to determine the outcome.

By the way, if Florida loses to FSU, Texas will almost certainly stay ahead of OU.

[picasso]

I know that, but I would also be surprised if his honest subjective opinion does not have OU down a couple of spots from Texas. (As a Texas fan I would be disappointed if he didn't.) But the point is to show (1) that when the polls are this close, only a slight shift can change the outcome - especially with the convoluted BCS formula, and (2) there is room for manipulation among the voters.

Obviously, my desired result is for Texas to stay ahead of OU, but realistically I think the gap in the computers will narrow enough for OU to jump Texas IF THE POLLS STAY THE SAME. But that is a big "if". There have been fairly large swings over the last 3 weeks, and there is no certainty that the current voting is static. There may be "soft" votes that will move back and forth. Texas will certainly stay ahead of OU in the overall computer ranking (but by a smaller margin than the current .06), so every inch of movement in the polls is critical. It would not take but a few changed votes to determine the outcome.

By the way, if Florida loses to FSU, Texas will almost certainly stay ahead of OU.
well you guys should get a big bump for that fine showing against aTm High.

[OULenexaman]

at Austin no doubt.... and tonight we have "A Really Big Shoew!!"

[TXHornsFan]

ESPN story - http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=282850201

"Sources in Lubbock report that after reviewing the films of his team's game against Oklahoma, Texas Tech coach Mike Leach is campaigning for the Red Raiders to be ranked ahead of the Sooners in the BCS polls. 'Each game can be viewed as a microcosm of the entire season, and I think that's the best way to look at it,' Leach said. 'After all, we were playing pretty well there at the end, and we were unstoppable on that last drive.' After being reminded that Tech had faced a substantial early deficit, Leach replied 'Yeah, they kicked us around pretty good at the beginning, but that was so early it shouldn't really count. We got better as the game went on, and I think we were the better team at the end, and that's what should really matter the most.'

"When told of Leach's comments, Oklahoma coach Bob Stoops said, 'I think Mike has lost his last marble. When the game was over, we were ahead on the scoreboard, and that's the end of it.'

"In a related development, there are reports that Big 12 officials are considering changes to the method of determining conference standings. Under consideration is an idea to allow reporters and selected poll voters to simply attend the teams' practices each week and then vote on the outcome of the games. Commissioner Dan Beebe favors the change, referred to as the 'Beauty Contest Rule', citing such factors as reducing injuries and eliminating inconvenient variables like actual on-field performance. 'These are student-athletes and we must consider their welfare,' Beebe said. When asked if the proposed change might dilute the value of a conference championship, Beebe responded, 'What the hell do I care? My fantasy team is in first place.'"

[Cam]

I know that, but I would also be surprised if his honest subjective opinion does not have OU down a couple of spots from Texas. (As a Texas fan I would be disappointed if he didn't.)

So he should have Tech above Texas then. :pop:

[JLEW1818]

hehehe....

texas fans just cant admit it's a 3 way tie

[ProdigyDub]

http://www.espn.com

Tasty.

[StoopTroup]

http://www.espn.com

Tasty.

Tasty is what KU is doing to Mizzou right now.

Mangino hungry.

26-10 KU.