For all you who support taxing the rich....

[CORNholio]

Do you not aspire to ever make more money than you do now? Do you not realize that it is your employer who will be taxed more heavily and return the favor by possibly 86ing your job. Why do you hate hard work and success? That is all.

[Rogue]

I support taxing everyone fairly. When the wealthiest folk pay a lower % than us regular workin' stiffs it bugs me.

[CORNholio]

I support taxing everyone fairly. When the wealthiest folk pay a lower % than us regular workin' stiffs it bugs me.

Wealthier folk only pay less taxes when they spend more time preparing them. If they walked down to H&R Block and just threw their W2's at the accountant like you and I they would pay close to half of every dollar they make. How is that the American dream?

[LosAngelesSooner]

You don't make sense. You're also ignoring the problems our current tax structure has created for our economy and government as well as the redistribution of wealth the Bush Administration presided over along with their top heavy socialist policies.

BTW, I fall very much into the group who are going to get hit the worst by the Obama tax plan.

[StoopTroup]

I think there are way to many little taxes and fees in this Country that the Wealthy have been making tons of money off all of our backs.

Turnpike fees, Sales Tax on necessities, Federal Excise Tax on Vehicle Tags. The list is long. I know someone here was talking about taxes on folks who owned multiple houses and that they got a break on houses they didn't even need while the rest of us pay out our a$$ on the House we need for our families.

I'll never support a Welfare or handout like many folks seem to think might be headed their way...but My God...we pay out lots of dough for stuff we shouldn't have to.

You can look on any Phone or cell bill and find fees that you would need to take hours to research just to try and find what the heck it was for...

ATM fees. I understand a fee for using an ATM that wasn't your Bank but to get hit by both of them?

I joined a CU at my work and the machine is on-site where I work. They want $0.65 cents to get money out of it or I can go over to the CU Window and get a Real Person to cut my a free cashiers check. Then I can go deposit it in another bank on the way Home that allows me to get money out for free.

Businesses, Local, State and Federal Government Agencies have all just kept windling away at our discretionary income over the last 2 decades. Maybe 3-4 decades.

I'm sick of it. It is sad that folks now are pushing the rich to pay more...but they are tired of all the little crap they pay for that are lining the pockets of people who do absolutely nothing for the money.

I'd say it's just backlash...It might not be right...but neither is collecting money from people for nothing in return. Some of these fees and taxes have become entitlements for these invisible collectors IMO.

[mdklatt]

Do you not aspire to ever make more money than you do now?

Why should I pay higher taxes now on the off chance that I strike it rich in the future?

[LosAngelesSooner]

Pretty astute observations, ST.

[Vaevictis]

Do you not aspire to ever make more money than you do now? Do you not realize that it is your employer who will be taxed more heavily and return the favor by possibly 86ing your job. Why do you hate hard work and success? That is all.

Do you not realize that we've all heard these tired, trite memes ad nauseum?

They hold no water with anyone who doesn't already agree with you.

Just ask Warren Buffet.

[LilSooner]

Do you not aspire to ever make more money than you do now? Do you not realize that it is your employer who will be taxed more heavily and return the favor by possibly 86ing your job. Why do you hate hard work and success? That is all.


So I make good amount of money, but I have a coworker (my mom) and she makes 3 times as much as I do, but we pay the same percent of taxes. What? How does that happen.

[LosAngelesSooner]

Do you not realize that we've all heard these tired, trite memes ad nauseum?

They hold no water with anyone who doesn't already agree with you.

Just ask Warren Buffet.
No. No. THIS time it'll work.

[AggieTool]

Trickle Down Rawks!:D

[landrun]

I support taxing everyone fairly. When the wealthiest folk pay a lower % than us regular workin' stiffs it bugs me.

Well, it is my understanding that the rich pay over 70% of all taxes. The middle class pays about 30% and the poor pay nothing. So I'm not sure you have a reason to be irritated.

[mdklatt]

Well, it is my understanding that the rich pay over 70% of all taxes.

How much of the money do they have?

[OUHOMER]

So I make good amount of money, but I have a coworker (my mom) and she makes 3 times as much as I do, but we pay the same percent of taxes. What? How does that happen.

I wish we had a tax system like that, everybody pays 10 , 12 , 20% what ever. no deductions, no tax shelters, just a flat tax.

[AggieTool]

Funny how the people whining about taxes aren't in the tax brackets that are affected by proposed tax increases.:rolleyes:

And the ones that are...aren't complaining.:P

[A Sooner in Texas]

Funny how the people whining about taxes aren't in the tax brackets that are affected by proposed tax increases.:rolleyes:

And the ones that are...aren't complaining.:P


You must not have read the many "OBAMA WILL REDISTRIBUTE THE WEALTH!!! AGHHHHHHHHH!!!" threads...tool.

[SCOUT]

Funny how the people whining about taxes aren't in the tax brackets that are affected by proposed tax increases.:rolleyes:

And the ones that are...aren't complaining.:P

The incomes claimed on the internet are not necessarily related to the incomes earned. Just sayin...

[CORNholio]

I wish we had a tax system like that, everybody pays 10 , 12 , 20% what ever. no deductions, no tax shelters, just a flat tax.

why does it have to be a percentage? why not just a flat out blanket $ amount? Who cares how much you make? People are jealous and demonize those who are successful.

[Soonerus]

Taxes are now and have been for years too high....another increase is no answer...cutting big government is the answer...

[JohnnyMack]

I wonder if russell reads tea leaves while posting, thus contributing to his bizarre posting style. Thoughts?

[LosAngelesSooner]

Well, it is my understanding that the rich pay over 70% of all taxes. The middle class pays about 30% and the poor pay nothing. So I'm not sure you have a reason to be irritated.REALLY?

The poor don't pay sales tax, gas tax, federal cell phone tax, airline tax, cigarette tax, etc?

Man. Those damned freeloaders. :rolleyes:

It is MY understanding that your understanding isn't very understanding.


Funny how the people whining about taxes aren't in the tax brackets that are affected by proposed tax increases.:rolleyes:

And the ones that are...aren't complaining.:PThat's because they're brainwashed. Honestly.

And it's the basis for "What's the Matter with Kansas."

[Soonerus]

I wonder if russell reads tea leaves while posting, thus contributing to his bizarre posting style. Thoughts?

Thoughts ??? you are an arse...

[LosAngelesSooner]

Who cares how much you make? People are jealous and demonize those who are successful.Yeah. I agree. That's a GREAT overly simplistic and incorrect way of looking at the situation. Good jorb. :D

[tommieharris91]

I wonder if russell reads tea leaves while posting, thus contributing to his bizarre posting style. Thoughts?

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[LosAngelesSooner]

Thoughts ??? you are an arse...Settle down, Beavis.

[Soonerus]

Settle down, Beavis.

OK, thanks for the advice, Butthead...

[mdklatt]

why does it have to be a percentage? why not just a flat out blanket $ amount?

What's intrinsically fair about a flat percentage?

[mdklatt]

Taxes are now and have been for years too high

Prove it.

[CORNholio]

That's because they're brainwashed. Honestly.And it's the basis for "What's the Matter with Kansas."

It is in fact you blue staters who are brainwashed and sowing the seeds of socialism whether you are aware of it or not. Its a slow destruction of the American way.

[Soonerus]

Prove it.

I just base it on what I have paid the last 25 years...it's criminal...

[CORNholio]

What's intrinsically fair about a flat percentage?

Are not the rich guy and the poor guy paying for the same govt? Is the rich guy getting handjobs from the govt or something? Why should he pay more for the same protection because he works harder and smokes less crack than johnny welfair?

[mdklatt]

I just base it on what I have paid the last 25 years...it's criminal...

Sounds like an opinion to me.

[LosAngelesSooner]

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[Soonerus]

Sounds like an opinion to me.

It is my opinion, just like every other bit of drivel on this thread...

[LosAngelesSooner]

OK, thanks for the advice, Butthead...SOY-tin-lee. :D

[mdklatt]

Are not the rich guy and the poor guy paying for the same govt?

Prove to me that somebody earning $200,000/year derives exactly 10 times the benefit from government as somebody making $20,000/year.

[LosAngelesSooner]

It is in fact you blue staters who are brainwashed and sowing the seeds of socialism whether you are aware of it or not. Its a slow destruction of the American way.http://oncampus.richmond.edu/academics/education/projects/webquests/hysteria/images/McCarthyism.jpg

[Vaevictis]

Are not the rich guy and the poor guy paying for the same govt? Is the rich guy getting handjobs from the govt or something? Why should he pay more for the same protection because he works harder and smokes less crack?

To borrow from Warren Buffet: He owes more to society because he receives more from society. It is the society that permits him his ability to be wealthy, and to do it in relative peace.

There are plenty of places in the world with a very low tax burden. I doubt you would want to live in very many of them.

[LosAngelesSooner]

It is in fact you blue staters who are brainwashed and sowing the seeds of socialism whether you are aware of it or not. Its a slow destruction of the American way.http://www.atomicplatters.com/images/rediceberg_cvr_510.jpg

Even more appropriate for your post. :rolleyes:

[LosAngelesSooner]

Are not the rich guy and the poor guy paying for the same govt? Is the rich guy getting handjobs from the govt or something? Why should he pay more for the same protection because he works harder and smokes less crack than johnny welfair?First off, genius, it's WELFARE.

Secondly, yes. The rich guys DO get more out of the government than the poor. Take a civics class.

[CORNholio]

Prove to me that somebody earning $200,000/year derives exactly 10 times the benefit from government as somebody making $20,000/year.

They don't. They are paying for the same services. Protection from foriegn invasion/police/fire/etc. Only the dems think that because someone choses to work hard and better themselves then they are required to pay for someone elses services who does not want to work as hard. That is what it all boils down to. Republicans want to pick themselves up. Democrats want somebody else to pick them up.

[Soonerus]

SOY-tin-lee. :D

SOY (fist to head)...

[Soonerus]

They don't. They are paying for the same services. Protection from foriegn invasion/police/fire/etc. Only the dems think that because someone choses to work hard and better themselves then they are required to pay for someone elses services who does not want to work as hard. That is what it all boils down to. Republicans want to pick themselves up. Democrats want somebody else to pick them up.

read Ann Rand's book....

[mdklatt]

They don't. They are paying for the same services.

Then what's so fair about paying a percentage?

[soonerscuba]

They don't. They are paying for the same services. Protection from foriegn invasion/police/fire/etc. Only the dems think that because someone choses to work hard and better themselves then they are required to pay for someone elses services who does not want to work as hard. That is what it all boils down to. Republicans want to pick themselves up. Democrats want somebody else to pick them up.What is the ideal tax structure that provides current federal services while at the same time being universally fair, and in you opinion not punishing the wealthy? Be specific.

[LosAngelesSooner]

They don't. They are paying for the same services. Protection from foriegn invasion/police/fire/etc. Only the dems think that because someone choses to work hard and better themselves then they are required to pay for someone elses services who does not want to work as hard. That is what it all boils down to. Republicans want to pick themselves up. Democrats want somebody else to pick them up.Man. You're really addicted to this "gross oversimplification thing," aren't ya?

[Soonerus]

government has grown like a cancer and will kill us all if it is not shrunk...that part is simple...

[CORNholio]

What is the ideal tax structure that provides current federal services while at the same time being universally fair, and in you opinion not punishing the wealthy? Be specific.

I thought I already did but I'll give it another shot. A blanket flat $ amount. No percentage. Everyone pulls the same amount.

[CORNholio]

Man. You're really addicted to this "gross oversimplification thing," aren't ya?

They are called fundamentals. As in the Democrats values are fundamentally flawed.

[soonerscuba]

I thought I already did but I'll give it another shot. A blanket flat $ amount. No percentage. Everyone pulls the same amount.So, like $1000? $10,000?

[LosAngelesSooner]

They are called fundamentals. As in the Democrats values are fundamentally flawed.Yep! You're DEFINITELY addicted to this "oversimplification thing."

Good jorb. Way to be intellectually dishonest. Keep it up.

[mdklatt]

I thought I already did but I'll give it another shot. A blanket flat $ amount. No percentage. Everyone pulls the same amount.

If you have $500,000, isn't the fire department worth more to you than somebody with $100,000 worth of stuff? If you make $100,000/year, isn't the highway that takes you to work worth more to you than somebody who makes $20,000/year?

If everybody pays the same amount, the amount you are going to have to pay is going to have to go up significantly because everybody above you is going to be paying a lot less. I guess you're okay with that? In the interest of fairness and all.

[Vaevictis]

They are called fundamentals. As in the Democrats values are fundamentally flawed.

So are the Republican's.

Tax policies that will lead to the return of an economic aristocracy aren't any good either.

[Soonerus]

As attractive as a flat tax sounds on the surface, it is simply not the answer...it would virtually end all charities and destroy the home markets as well as many other businesses...

[CORNholio]

As attractive as a flat tax sounds on the surface, it is simply not the answer...it would virtually end all charities and destroy the home markets as well as many other businesses...

I know one charity it will destroy. The one run by the govt.

[Soonerus]

I know one charity it will destroy. The one run by the govt.

Actually it might not destroy that one...

[CORNholio]

So, like $1000? $10,000?

Well, probably whatever the federal budget is divided by taxpayers would be my guess. Watch the federal budget get smaller in a hurry when people are getting a real bill from the govt and not sluffing it off to somebody else because "they make more money than me."

[LosAngelesSooner]

I know one charity it will destroy. The one run by the govt.Keepin' with it. Gotta admire the commitment to oversimplifying everything.

[CORNholio]

Keepin' with it. Gotta admire the commitment to oversimplifying everything.

Why do you hate fundamentals? When **** gets out of whack you go back and start with the fundamentals. You can't build a skyscraper on a poor foundation. That's the problem with all you blue staters you never grasped the fundamental concept of what America is and was intended to remain.

[mdklatt]

Why do you hate fundamentals? When **** gets out of whack you go back and start with the fundamentals.

Like slavery.

[Vaevictis]

Why do you hate fundamentals? When **** gets out of whack you go back and start with the fundamentals. You can't build a skyscraper on a poor foundation. That's the problem with all you blue staters you never grasped the fundamental concept of what America is and was intended to remain.

We don't hate fundamentals, we hate your circular logic:

We should go back to the fundamentals. Why should we go back to the fundamentals? Because fundamentals are good. Why are fundamentals good? Because they're the fundamentals!

You know what's fundamental? A guy with a gun (or sword, or club or rock) saying, "You're going to do what I say because if you don't, I'm going to ****ing kill you." That's fundamental.

Everything else in government is built off of that concept.

[LosAngelesSooner]

Why do you hate fundamentals? When **** gets out of whack you go back and start with the fundamentals. You can't build a skyscraper on a poor foundation. That's the problem with all you blue staters you never grasped the fundamental concept of what America is and was intended to remain.Yeah. All the "Blue Staters" in Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Virginia, New York, New Jersey, Rhode Island, Connecticut, Delaware, Maryland, New Hampshire, Vermont, Maine, North Carolina...they have NO idea how to "grasp the fundamental concept of what America is and what it was intended to be."

:rolleyes:

You really make this too easy for me, don't you know?

[85Sooner]

The only way to fix the situation is to stop all gov handouts, Lower spending by getting rid of pork barrel projects and instituting the Fair tax (hb26). Taxes determined by income have and never will never work because they are based on what is determined to be income and income can be defined many ways.

[JohnnyMack]

All the pork D.C. doles out is less than a couple months of what we pay to be in Iraq. Just sayin'.

[leavingthezoo]

They don't. They are paying for the same services. Protection from foriegn invasion/police/fire/etc. Only the dems think that because someone choses to work hard and better themselves then they are required to pay for someone elses services who does not want to work as hard. That is what it all boils down to. Republicans want to pick themselves up. Democrats want somebody else to pick them up.

which tax bracket, exactly, do you think police and firemen fall in? even if you think it's better for everyone to pay a very low tax (which means still a burden for lower income than for higher income), those very people will be carrying a far heavier burden. yes, the guys meant to protect and serve you.

you must have a very fortunate life that everyone in your pollyana vision is limited in making money based on their efforts. and to think, there are some areas that have to have VOLUNTEER public servants. i'm sure that is simply some exaggerated myth to you, however.

[StoopTroup]

All the pork D.C. doles out is less than a couple months of what we pay to be in Iraq. Just sayin'.

We've paid out enough to secure Hope for Iraq.

If the rest of the World wants that place to succeed then they can help them after we start pulling out.

If you wanna talk Government handouts...that's the first place that needs to be shutdown.

[BudSooner]

Actually it might not destroy that one...

Explain this to me then, I pay taxes on what I make....out of my paycheck.

Jose Cuervo earns cash money, and sends half of it back to Mexico.


Who is getting ****ed?


Fair tax....It will never get the support it needs, and would be difficult to start but it results in a gain of everyone chipping in since everyone has to buy goods etc.

Jose has to have his beer ya know.;)

[85Sooner]

Explain this to me then, I pay taxes on what I make....out of my paycheck.

Jose Cuervo earns cash money, and sends half of it back to Mexico.


Who is getting ****ed?


Fair tax....It will never get the support it needs, and would be difficult to start but it results in a gain of everyone chipping in since everyone has to buy goods etc.

Jose has to have his beer ya know.;)

You and the fed gov could care less. I say we need a few million man march on washington.

[Scott D]

why does it have to be a percentage? why not just a flat out blanket $ amount? Who cares how much you make? People are jealous and demonize those who are successful.

a flat out blanket $ amount? And who decides this blanket amount? What would your blanket amount be?

[StoopTroup]

The only fair tax...is No Tax.

Taxes have gotten out of hand.

To many folks work for the Government though to be able to scrap the Tax structure.

Something Major needs to happen that will inspire people to live a little more simple and spend money on necessities first.

Buying a Bass Boat before you buy the truck that can take you to work everyday...

Spend time with your kids instead of thinking someone else should be responsible to teach them...heck...even be a mentor to someone else kid that might need some help.

Don't spend every last dime on crap you don't need that won't make you feel better.

Don't compete financially with someone else and don't expect them to help you out just because they were smart enough to sacrifice to get where they are right now.

That guy Clark Howard on the radio is a little extreme for me...but some folks need to be like that for awhile. Don't buy your dream house on the premise that you'll figure a way to pay for it somehow.

Man I could go on.

I swear to you all...I have seen some really stupid folks do some really stupid spending. Not all of them are poor or middle class. Some were just lucky and have no idea how to live on less. If their trust funds dried up....they'd be worse than someone who couldn't shake the welfare trap.

I've seen wealthy families who had a Father get sick and watch all of their friends slowly disappear when they really needed them. It was like they had leprosy. Awful stuff.

Yep...things can be pretty messed up.

Hope and Faith though...

Powerful stuff. I hope our President Elect means it for all of us. I think he's got a tough road ahead.

[Half a Hundred]

Marginal utility, people.

People do not derive the same benefit from the government's existence, that should be clear as day.

It's not so much about vilifying the rich as it is not disparaging the poor for their circumstances.

[LosAngelesSooner]

Explain this to me then, I pay taxes on what I make....out of my paycheck.

Jose Cuervo earns cash money, and sends half of it back to Mexico.


Who is getting ****ed?


Fair tax....It will never get the support it needs, and would be difficult to start but it results in a gain of everyone chipping in since everyone has to buy goods etc.

Jose has to have his beer ya know.;)
You do realize that MOST illegal immigrants pay income tax, don't you?

[LosAngelesSooner]

Marginal utility, people.

People do not derive the same benefit from the government's existence, that should be clear as day.

It's not so much about vilifying the rich as it is not disparaging the poor for their circumstances.
Dude, CORNholio's inability to understand the concept of "Marginal Utility" is one of the things I was ridiculing him for his "oversimplification policy."

[Scott D]

clearly he's off searching for tp for his bunghole. or wants everyone to pay a $ value of tp as their taxes.

[Half a Hundred]

Dude, CORNholio's inability to understand the concept of "Marginal Utility" is one of the things I was ridiculing him for his "oversimplification policy."

I know. I just like writing that in every thread about tax policy, especially when people come up with such "obvious" arguments against the progressive income tax.

It's like the people who actually think that you lose money by moving up to a higher tax bracket. That's not how it works.

And the people who forget that wealthier folks not only rely on those freeways/trains to get to work themselves, but for their employees to get to work to make the money for the wealthier folks.

Simplification of a thing as complicated as human society usually ends up in folly. Both the right and left are guilty of this.

[Condescending Sooner]

You do realize that MOST illegal immigrants pay income tax, don't you?

How do they pay taxes with no SS card?

[Condescending Sooner]

All the pork D.C. doles out is less than a couple months of what we pay to be in Iraq. Just sayin'.

If we pull out of Iraq are we going to take all the troops off the govt. payroll and sell all of our equipment?

The amount of money saved would be vastly less than what is being trumpeted about.

[mdklatt]

If we pull out of Iraq are we going to take all the troops off the govt. payroll and sell all of our equipment?

The amount of money saved would be vastly less than what is being trumpeted about.

The amount of money we spend in Iraq is money we spend only in Iraq--it's a supplemental allocation. Regular payroll and all that is in the regular budget. The figures people use when they talk about Iraq spending are the supplemental money. We spend an obscene amount of money just to contractors like Haliburton and Blackwelder, never mind all the ammo, fuel, wear and tear in a hostile environment, combat pay, and oh yeah...soldiers getting killed and injured.

[Vaevictis]

How do they pay taxes with no SS card?

Having an SSN isn't necessary to pay income taxes. Do all foreign nationals that invest in US markets have an SSN? No. But they do pay income taxes -- or are supposed to, anyway.

The how of it, I don't know -- but I know it's not necessary.

[Frozen Sooner]

How do they pay taxes with no SS card?

Unless they're getting paid under the table, withholding is coming out of their paycheck under a fraudulent SSN.

[JohnnyMack]

The amount of money we spend in Iraq is money we spend only in Iraq--it's a supplemental allocation. Regular payroll and all that is in the regular budget. The figures people use when they talk about Iraq spending are the supplemental money. We spend an obscene amount of money just to contractors like Haliburton and Blackwelder, never mind all the ammo, fuel, wear and tear in a hostile environment, combat pay, and oh yeah...soldiers getting killed and injured.

Uhhhh....what he said.

[LosAngelesSooner]

How do they pay taxes with no SS card?Most illegals HAVE SS numbers. They just have fake numbers. Or, well, REAL numbers that belong to someone else. So the withholding occurs with each paycheck with no tax returns filed in Feb. And most of them don't make enough to owe taxes. In fact, most of them would theoretically get money back. That's one of the reasons they give for how deporting all illegals would bankrupt our economy.

It's so common out here in the Cali and the Southwest that you can't believe.

[LosAngelesSooner]

Unless they're getting paid under the table, withholding is coming out of their paycheck under a fraudulent SSN.Exactly.

[Scott D]

I've got a great idea. To build on the OP's original argument. Not only do we go with a set dollar value for everyone, but he should go the extra step and rather than give "credits" to people that have children. Make them pay a set dollar value per child for every child. I mean, it's only fair right? :rolleyes:

[85Sooner]

The "fair tax" is the ONLY equitible way to refrom the current situation. That and a constitutional amendment requiring a balanced budget.

I repeat myself when under stress,I repeat myself when under stress,I repeat myself when under stress, I...........

[LosAngelesSooner]

That and a constitutional amendment requiring a balanced budget.Every now and again you and I can agree on something.

[Condescending Sooner]

Unless they're getting paid under the table, withholding is coming out of their paycheck under a fraudulent SSN.

So, if they happen to choose my SSN number as the fraudulent number, and contribute taxes to that number, do I get a huge tax refund when I file?

[Frozen Sooner]

Nope. Because you'd have to have those W-2s to show you made payments in. Which you wouldn't have.

[85Sooner]

Nope. Because you'd have to have those W-2s to show you made payments in. Which you wouldn't have.

And THEY would be able to draw on that SSN. I was talking to a Lawyer that specialized in that area. I could not believe that but he said they address it and the law does not differentiate between illegal/ legal contributions and withdrawls.

[BudSooner]

Exactly.
Maybe out there, but here i'm betting on less than 50% do that, let me go further...not all the illegals work at Mickey D's, alot of the manual labor that takes place is cash on the barrell head...it keeps the formen from going thru alot of paperwork to document Juans status as legal or illegal.

Yes, i've seen the people use fake id's, they are not that difficult to make out, and what is worse is the number of legal immigrants working the check cashers that don't even ask for SS/ID' from the illegals.

Now, take into account how many here in Oklahoma are undocumented..cut that figure in half, and just think of how much money goes out of here without so much as a penny being taxed.
And yes, taxes suck hard.

[Condescending Sooner]

Nope. Because you'd have to have those W-2s to show you made payments in. Which you wouldn't have.


Well, so much for new money making scheme. Thanks a lot.

[Frozen Sooner]

Well, so much for new money making scheme. Thanks a lot.

Supid government getting in the way of someone trying to make an honest buck. ;)

[LosAngelesSooner]

Maybe out there, but here i'm betting on less than 50% do that, let me go further...not all the illegals work at Mickey D's, alot of the manual labor that takes place is cash on the barrell head...it keeps the formen from going thru alot of paperwork to document Juans status as legal or illegal.

Yes, i've seen the people use fake id's, they are not that difficult to make out, and what is worse is the number of legal immigrants working the check cashers that don't even ask for SS/ID' from the illegals.

Now, take into account how many here in Oklahoma are undocumented..cut that figure in half, and just think of how much money goes out of here without so much as a penny being taxed.
And yes, taxes suck hard.The number of "cash under the table" illegals in OK is most likely nearly non-existent compared to the number of illegals in CA, AZ and TX using fake SS #s.

Trust me. It brings in a LOT of money to the gubmint. That's why you don't see any politicians with any clout screaming to deport them all.

[Okla-homey]

I support taxing everyone fairly. When the wealthiest folk pay a lower % than us regular workin' stiffs it bugs me.

I must have a very stoopid accountant. Me and the esposita combined make about $220K, and we pay more taxes than any workin' stiff I've ever met.

[LosAngelesSooner]

I must have a very stoopid accountant. Me and the esposita combined make about $220K, and we pay more taxes than any workin' stiff I've ever met.Yeah.

I think, maybe, I should give you my accountant's number. :O

Especially if you're going to be the first candidate for our new/old party.

[BudSooner]

LAS, i'm not sure about the % of illegals paid cash, we need a candidate who will do something about those using fake ss numbers, I agree completely.
Something with some teeth to it, but sadly a Charles Schumer will make sure that gets rejected.
That way when 21yr old Jesus Lopez tries to send dinero back to Guadalupe, they will catch on that he is not a 78yr old jewish man living in Miami.
Bust his ***, and send him back across the boarder. Sadly to return 2weeks later.

[AggieTool]

LAS, i'm not sure about the % of illegals paid cash, we need a candidate who will do something about those using fake ss numbers, I agree completely.
Something with some teeth to it, but sadly a Charles Schumer will make sure that gets rejected.
That way when 21yr old Jesus Lopez tries to send dinero back to Guadalupe, they will catch on that he is not a 78yr old jewish man living in Miami.
Bust his ***, and send him back across the boarder. Sadly to return 2weeks later.

Damn Jewish Illegals!:mad:

[Scott D]

I must have a very stoopid accountant. Me and the esposita combined make about $220K, and we pay more taxes than any workin' stiff I've ever met.

you pay the same 20someodd % that those of us who can't hide our income in the companies we own or run do.