Why can't it just be a difference of opinion?

[Veritas]

So Obama won the election. It wasn't the outcome I was hoping for, but McCain was a terrible option, so I'm really not all that upset about it. I'm a Goldwater conservative and I'm hoping that getting the crap kicked out of it will move the GOP back in that direction.

But here that thing that's really bothering me: for many Obama supporters, it doesn't seem to be enough that your guy won huge. You've got to belittle and insult those who voted the other way: to wit, two of the threads on the front page here at the SO, the gist of which is "hey you ignorant redneck ****s that didn't see it our way, go find another country."

What the hell? And please do not use the "they do it too" argument as justification. That tactic didn't work for me as a kid...Mom told me that wrong was still wrong, regardless of the who did what first.

[Rogue]

Yeah, somehow it has dissolved into something of an immature sports rivalry.
I have lots of conservative friends and respect their opinions. Hell, I learn a lot from them too. Just disagree mostly about social policy.

[1890MilesToNorman]

Kind of like when Clinton won and some Dem dip-**** looked up and saw a fighter plane and said "Hey, those are ours now".

[AggieTool]

'Cuz Obama is a mooslim terrist' that's gonna harm 'merica?:confused:

[JohnnyMack]

I've certainly not gone "nanny-nanny-boo-boo" but I will say that for the most part on this board the overall negativity towards BHO far outdistances anything hurled towards JSM and his supporters. While it's true that two wrongs don't make a right I hardly think a couple of threads pointing out the perceived deficiencies of the Republican party and its base is in any way uncalled for.

Look at V gettin' all cocky after his boys beat down the chickenhawks. :D

[Frozen Sooner]

You've gotta be ****ing kidding me.

TWO threads by non-regular posters? Threads where many of the regular progressive posters have jumped in and said "Hey, that's not helpful?"

[lexsooner]

So Obama won the election. It wasn't the outcome I was hoping for, but McCain was a terrible option, so I'm really not all that upset about it. I'm a Goldwater conservative and I'm hoping that getting the crap kicked out of it will move the GOP back in that direction.

But here that thing that's really bothering me: for many Obama supporters, it doesn't seem to be enough that your guy won huge. You've got to belittle and insult those who voted the other way: to wit, two of the threads on the front page here at the SO, the gist of which is "hey you ignorant redneck ****s that didn't see it our way, go find another country."

What the hell? And please do not use the "they do it too" argument as justification. That tactic didn't work for me as a kid...Mom told me that wrong was still wrong, regardless of the who did what first.

While I agree it is wrong to gloat and belittle supporters of the losing candidate, I can't recall seeing very much of it on this board after the election. Maybe a couple of posters did this, and it is wrong. But my impression is most Obama supporters, including myself, have been pretty well-behaved. Happy, yes, but still gracious.

Throughout the election season, the overwhelming majority of political posts have been by anti-Obama posters, many of whom spewed pretty mean-spirited venom. These have died down some after Obama won, but have not stopped. In all fairness, I think the message should be to both sides to show some class.

[Rogue]

It's much worse in other places and I'm surprised by the relative reasonableness of the SO. Still, some of the reactions on both sides are bad.

[leavingthezoo]

So Obama won the election. It wasn't the outcome I was hoping for, but McCain was a terrible option, so I'm really not all that upset about it. I'm a Goldwater conservative and I'm hoping that getting the crap kicked out of it will move the GOP back in that direction.

But here that thing that's really bothering me: for many Obama supporters, it doesn't seem to be enough that your guy won huge. You've got to belittle and insult those who voted the other way: to wit, two of the threads on the front page here at the SO, the gist of which is "hey you ignorant redneck ****s that didn't see it our way, go find another country."

What the hell? And please do not use the "they do it too" argument as justification. That tactic didn't work for me as a kid...Mom told me that wrong was still wrong, regardless of the who did what first.

i can remember when i honest-to-God had no idea which side of the political spectrum you were on. it always impressed me that someone could remain so unbiased when both sides were at each other.

[Tulsa_Fireman]

I farted.

[Fraggle145]

I farted.

me too.

[85Sooner]

The 8 years of hatred spewed by them IMO can never be equaled. If we started to attack him the same way they would get literally violent. Hey.............theres an idea.

Its called "having class"

[Vaevictis]

The 8 years of hatred spewed by them IMO can never be equaled.

Can't. Stop. Laughing.

[Rogue]

Good to see your irony filter isn't clogged, V.

[badger]

So Oklahoma won the game. It wasn't the outcome I was hoping for, but Nebraska was a terrible option, so I'm really not all that upset about it. I'm a OPTION QUARTERBACK conservative and I'm hoping that getting the crap kicked out of the Huskers will move the Sea of Red back in that direction.

But here that thing that's really bothering me: for many Oklahoma supporters, it doesn't seem to be enough that your guy Bob Stoops won huge. You've got to belittle and insult those who cheered the other way: to wit, our last coach Callahan, the gist of his was "hey you effin' hillbillies that didn't see the orange flying our way, go find another rival."

What the hell? And please do not use the "we did it too" argument as justification. That tactic didn't work on you as a kid...Mom told you that OU would rise again, regardless of the who won the crystal ball first.

Your post begs to be edited ;)

[JohnnyMack]

The 8 years of hatred spewed by them IMO can never be equaled. If we started to attack him the same way they would get literally violent. Hey.............theres an idea.

Its called "having class"

you've gone from someone I could talk about home theatres, politics and sports with to someone who sounds borderline unhinged.

[Curly Bill]

you've gone from someone I could talk about home theatres, politics and sports with to someone who sounds borderline unhinged.

This could be a story about a pot and a kettle.

[LosAngelesSooner]

I'm tired of pots and kettles calling each other names. Why can't all the pots and kettles just get along for a few weeks or so?

[jkjsooner]

I agree that this post should be addressed to both sides. Politics are ugly but it seems the truly ugly people are too biased to realize they too are ugly.

I know I haven't gloated. Among other reasons, I was tentavily in the McCain camp 3 months ago.

I do want to give one reason why some might gloat on the margin of victory. For weeks we heard that the liberal media and polling services were just flat out wrong and biased and that Obama had a one or two point lead. How many people came back and said, "Sorry I guess I was wrong?"

Our country has become a country of victims. Some minorities are controlled by the victim mentality. So is a minority of Christians. The Republicans have quickly joined the ranks. If you want to call the media biased then that's fine and probably true. But when people start calling polling services (who apply scientific methods and whose entire reputation is based on the correctness of these predictions) biased then maybe just maybe you've developed a victim mentality.


Gosh, I my posts tend to wander....

[LosAngelesSooner]

Very true. The pre-election gloating WAS pretty bad. And I sure haven't seen BRR be man enough to sack up, show up and eat his crow after all the arrogant trash he talked.

What I'VE noticed is that the people who are gloating the worst/already attacking Obama tend to be the ones who (pre-election) hated McCain the most, loved Sarah Palin the most, or really tried to believe all the baseless character attacks on Obama even when they were continually disproved.

The people who repsected McCain for his service and honor but didn't agree with his policies or felt he was too much of "Bush 3", the ones who realized that Obama's policies and positions were, at times, questionable for many of us but appreciated the positive and clean campaign he was running, and the people who admitted that Sarah Palin was a horrible choice for VP and were tired of the partisan polarization of our nation have been the ones on here who have been behaving themselves the best.

Of course, all of this is just IMHO. :)

[Harry Beanbag]

I didn't vote for either one of the ****ers. I could gloat for a)not falling for Barack's racist, socialist, strong arm coverup smokescreen or b)handing my vote to McCain despite his total lack of a coherent campaign or resemblance of a conservative candidate, but I won't.

[Veritas]

Good to see your irony filter isn't clogged, V.
It must be, because I have no idea what you're trying to say here. :)

Here's the underlying sentiment: the election is over. Barack Obama won, and while it's not what I hoped for I can see some real positives that could come about as a result.

I want to see our country successfully navigate this mortgage thing. I'd like to see healthcare costs addressed. I wish someone would stand up to the unions that are bleeding the US auto industry to death.

And I don't care who does it, or what party they're from. I just want somebody to grow a pair and fix some ****. I hope President Obama will be that guy within the limitations placed on the executive branch. Now that the election is over, his hope and change is what we have to hope will bring the change.

[LosAngelesSooner]

I'll tell you this...it's gonna be a HELL of a lot easier to travel internationally for a while, that's for sure.

[Veritas]

Yeah, somehow it has dissolved into something of an immature sports rivalry.
I have lots of conservative friends and respect their opinions. Hell, I learn a lot from them too. Just disagree mostly about social policy.
Yup. I like talking to my liberal friends because they generally see the world differently than I, and considering their perspective expands my own.

My buddy Tim, a fervent but considerate Obama supporter, made a statement with which I agree during one of our dialogues: a person who carries considered, reasoned opinions with which you disagree is preferable to a person who carries unthoughtful passionate opinions with which you agree because the former can listen to and consider logic, while the latter cannot.

[OklahomaTuba]

Just a few days in and he has already made fun of Nancy Reagan and thrown Poland under the bus. This is going to be fun, fun, fun.

[LosAngelesSooner]

Just a few days in and he has already made fun of Nancy Reagan and thrown Poland under the bus. This is going to be fun, fun, fun.JESUS, you're a partisan hack. :rolleyes:

[47straight]

FWIW, most liberals I have seen (and I live amongst some nasty ones) have not been gloating about the win. Peeps have mostly been just expressing happiness. "HOPE WON!!!" etc. is a little silly and a lot overstated, but there's no malice. The only irritating part to me is the contrived "let's be united" or "I just hope they are as classy as McCain" condescending crap. If you're just now calling for civility then I'm not buying it.

[A Sooner in Texas]

Maybe I've missed some threads, but all I've seen post-election are the ones continuing the hate-filled idiocy against Obama. Yes, hate-filled idiocy. Why can't you lay off a while until the man at least gets into office and see what he does?
I didn't vote for Bush, but I gave him a chance after the 2000 election. I wanted him to be a strong leader after 9/11 and he was - for a while. I absolutely supported the decision to go into Afghanistan, but not the one to go into Iraq. And when I started hearing that "You're not a patriot" because I questioned the Iraq war, and when I started seeing our Constitution being torn to shreds, and when I saw our nation officially sanction torture - and I was very, very glad McCain called out the administration on that - then it wasn't hate I felt, it was despair.
I haven't gloated, because I know how it feels to be sick that your candidate lost and have others rub your face in it and I don't want to do that to anyone.
Let's all just wait until at least Jan. 20 before we prognosticate how good or bad a president Obama will be. Besides, we have more important ways to fill our time right now, like watching OU win out, go to the Big XII championship and then on to the MNC. :D

[Tulsa_Fireman]

JESUS, you're a partisan hack. :rolleyes:

But he did.

Seance or no, she's 1) a former first lady, 2) has done a lot of good both during her husband's administration and beyond, and 3) is an old woman.

All partisanship aside, that was chicken****. You don't take sleight of hand shots like that. If George Washington himself was on record of dropping a knee-cracker like that, I'd call him a chicken****.

It's not a matter of red versus blue, it's a matter of respect. With that particular comment, he showed a definitive lack thereof for our former first lady, an aged, venerable woman who has ZERO dogs in the political hunt and is therefore off the target list. If you want to make a crack amongst yourselves, go for it. But to bomb the lady in the public forum as some sort of off-handed, "look at me, I'm witty" joke, screw him.

[JohnnyMack]

Word is The Socialist is retaining Bernanke, Mueller & Admiral Mullen. So it seems to me that he's certainly trying. He might also keep Robert Gates and has talked about Hagel as a possible SOS.

[Ike]

It must be, because I have no idea what you're trying to say here. :)

Here's the underlying sentiment: the election is over. Barack Obama won, and while it's not what I hoped for I can see some real positives that could come about as a result.

I want to see our country successfully navigate this mortgage thing. I'd like to see healthcare costs addressed. I wish someone would stand up to the unions that are bleeding the US auto industry to death.

And I don't care who does it, or what party they're from. I just want somebody to grow a pair and fix some ****. I hope President Obama will be that guy within the limitations placed on the executive branch. Now that the election is over, his hope and change is what we have to hope will bring the change.


It's interesting that you (who I consider a mostly-conservative guy) mention that there are some real positives that can result from his election. I was chatting with my dad the other day, who gets more conservative as the years go on, and he mentioned the same thing. In fact he even went as far as to say that maybe, just maybe, such an event might inspire a whole generation (or more) of minority youths to "get their act together" and pull themselves and their communities back up by the bootstraps. He then admitted that that statement might be just a little bit racist, but stood by it, saying that even if Obama does do some lasting damage with his policies, it may be well worth it to society if a whole generation of young people are inspired to work towards the betterment of our nation instead of doing whatever it is that they do...

[SoonerProphet]

I think there is a difference between practicing seances and Santeria, but hey I may be wrong. Just say no though.

[Veritas]

It's interesting that you (who I consider a mostly-conservative guy) mention that there are some real positives that can result from his election.
Heh, mostly-conservative is an apt descriptor.

Anyway, I hadn't thought about the young-black-man-bootstrapping angle. It's not racist, it's reality. But I don't actually see that happening as the problems in low/no income minority neighborhoods are too complex for one cathartic moment to fix.

The positives that I see are fairly intangible and are just potential energy if you will at this point:
Barack seems like a reasonable, even-tempered, intelligent individual, the kind that will hold dissenting opinions in regard and consider the underlying logic. My hope is that this perceptions was not the result of campaign artifice.
One angle that was not discussed, ever, is that he taught at the Chicago Law School which is a fairly conservative institution from an economic perspective, to the point that economists will refer to someone with a particular conservative blend as being from "the Chicago school of economics". Hopefully those conservative influences made an impression.


There are more reasons, but they're all along that grain: basically hoping that this or that will bear positive fruit. None of this is to say that the positive potential I see offset the incredible negative potential. I believe Obama could do more long-term damage than FDR with his social ideology.

But it's sorta like when Nebraska chose Bill Callahan as the head coach. I wasn't thrilled with the choice, but I chose to look at the positive potential rather than to focus on the negative. I'm hoping that President Obama's four years display the fulfillment of positive potential the Callenberger's never did.

[OU4LIFE]

I'm tired of pots and kettles calling each other names. Why can't all the pots and kettles just get along for a few weeks or so?

is it because the kettle's black?

[StoopTroup]

Back to your original question...

Why can't it just be a difference of opinion?

At least we have a thread that seems pretty civil here.

I don't think a difference of opinion will work but folks are talking here.

That's positive IMO.

If Obama has a chance at inspiring people in this Country...the use of the term "That's Racist" is going to need to be used properly. Folks throwing it out because of a word or even an opposition to an argument need to be a little more thick skinned. I have been called names that have upset me before...but "cracker", "Whitey", "Honkey" and the like...aren't one of them. I have always let those slide. Hell if we were to complain...most people would laugh at you anyway.

I go back to a few years ago when Bill Cosby did some lectures about how living smarter and trying to compete instead of giving up and using excuses and fighting to get an education and a decent job...never giving up...inspirational stuff...and he got hammered by some folks.

I look at our next President and hope that he inspires all of us. Not just a select few...to help make things better in this Country. To be an inspiration to other folks around the World too.

The thought of being able to maybe take my kids abroad without safety concerns every step of the way is something I hope my faith is restored in. We never even bought passports for the kids as I couldn't fathom a day where I would feel comfortable taking them outside of the US. I hope that faith is renewed someday.

God Bless America.

Good thread V.

[IB4OU2]

is it because the kettle's black?

It might also be the pot.

[LosAngelesSooner]

But he did.

Seance or no, she's 1) a former first lady, 2) has done a lot of good both during her husband's administration and beyond, and 3) is an old woman.

All partisanship aside, that was chicken****. You don't take sleight of hand shots like that. If George Washington himself was on record of dropping a knee-cracker like that, I'd call him a chicken****.

It's not a matter of red versus blue, it's a matter of respect. With that particular comment, he showed a definitive lack thereof for our former first lady, an aged, venerable woman who has ZERO dogs in the political hunt and is therefore off the target list. If you want to make a crack amongst yourselves, go for it. But to bomb the lady in the public forum as some sort of off-handed, "look at me, I'm witty" joke, screw him.And he had the BALLS and the CLASS to walk off stage and pick up a phone and apologize to her for an OFFHAND remark that was meant as a light joke but came out wrong. You tellin' me you've never made an offhand comment that came out wrong?

And he ALSO gave her an apology, which she being EQUALLY classy accepted, before any news agencies reported it, before the pundits could get "mock outraged" and before it was any kind of "scandal." Something 99% of our current politicians WOULDN'T have done.

So bringing it up, considering the circumstances it happened under and considering how he handled it, was cheap partisan hackery. The kind of cheap partisan hackery which has cost us this election and our clout in Washington.

[soonerhubs]

And he had the BALLS and the CLASS to walk off stage and pick up a phone and apologize to her for an OFFHAND remark that was meant as a light joke but came out wrong. You tellin' me you've never made an offhand comment that came out wrong?

And he ALSO gave her an apology, which she being EQUALLY classy accepted, before any news agencies reported it, before the pundits could get "mock outraged" and before it was any kind of "scandal." Something 99% of our current politicians WOULDN'T have done.

So bringing it up, considering the circumstances it happened under and considering how he handled it, was cheap partisan hackery. The kind of cheap partisan hackery which has cost us this election and our clout in Washington.

I agree.
He did admit his error. Folks, there are many things I anticipate I will disagree with the new administration on, but since he did win this election I am going to pray for and support him in his role. This doesn't mean we shouldn't question him. Scrutiny is a valuable tool in this Republic, and when a disagreement arises, make sure to point out why it is that we disagree with these actions.

However, to attack every little silly comment or gaffe feels petty. I called it petty when they attacked Palin, and I suppose if my feelings are good for the goose they're also good for the gander in this situation.

[OU4LIFE]

It might also be the pot.

nope.

if it was pot, everybody here'd be way more mellow.


and hungry

[LosAngelesSooner]

I agree.
He did admit his error. Folks, there are many things I anticipate I will disagree with the new administration on, but since he did win this election I am going to pray for and support him in his role. This doesn't mean we shouldn't question him. Scrutiny is a valuable tool in this Republic, and when a disagreement arises, make sure to point out why it is that we disagree with these actions.

However, to attack every little silly comment or gaffe feels petty. I called it petty when they attacked Palin, and I suppose if my feelings are good for the goose they're also good for the gander in this situation.Exactly.

Policies, decisions, stances on issues? ALL up for grabs.

Silly, childish, sandbox personal attacks before he's even in office? Partisan hackery.

We have bigger issues going on in the US than jokes that flopped and silly slip ups. If ONLY those were the biggest problems we had right now.

I'm gonna give the guy a chance before I start the criticism. And that chance STARTS once he's been sworn into office.

[Veritas]

I'm gonna give the guy a chance before I start the criticism. And that chance STARTS once he's been sworn into office.
That's what it boils down to. EVERYTHING else is pure speculation. Even his "Change" website is nothing more than his speculation on future plans.

[Tulsa_Fireman]

Yay. He apologized. Whoopty-frickin'-doo.

The point is for some of us that find it a below-the-belt, petty barb, it's an issue of partisanship. For others, including myself, it was a horrid display of a lack of respect. The fact that he saw it within the bounds to drop the joke in the first place to me is telling of the man's character.

"Sorry I shot your dog/oppressed your race/broke your window/screwed your wife."

Yeah, that's all well and good. But the dog is still dead because you saw fit to pull the trigger in the first place. The act was wrong, period. The specifics of who doesn't matter unless it is those focusing on, as you mentioned, partisanship. It's simply wrong and uncalled for. And the fact that the man saw fit to drop it anyway, regardless of how quickly the apology flies, the dog is still dead, intent still exists, and the man's character takes yet another black mark to the ledger.

[LosAngelesSooner]

Yay. He apologized. Whoopty-frickin'-doo.

The point is for some of us that find it a below-the-belt, petty barb, it's an issue of partisanship. For others, including myself, it was a horrid display of a lack of respect. The fact that he saw it within the bounds to drop the joke in the first place to me is telling of the man's character.

"Sorry I shot your dog/oppressed your race/broke your window/screwed your wife."

Yeah, that's all well and good. But the dog is still dead because you saw fit to pull the trigger in the first place. The act was wrong, period. The specifics of who doesn't matter unless it is those focusing on, as you mentioned, partisanship. It's simply wrong and uncalled for. And the fact that the man saw fit to drop it anyway, regardless of how quickly the apology flies, the dog is still dead, intent still exists, and the man's character takes yet another black mark to the ledger.
I'm sorry, but I find your "outrage" hollow and fake. Especially when I consider how many horribly inappropriate jokes you make on here on a daily basis.

Horribly inappropriate jokes which I almost always laugh at, BTW. :D

Trying to get mad about this (and you ARE "trying" to get mad. It's taking an effort.) is insincere and forced and childish and you're man enough to know it.

He made an offhand comment. One he clearly didn't think about before he said it. One that clearly came out of his mouth wrong. He was man enough to realize he'd stepped in it and was man enough to apologize. Dwelling on this is really, really stupid.

[badger]

It is one thing to just talk, and it is another thing entirely to act.

For months, there have been taunts, insults, slurs and everything offensive imagineable going back and forth between two different and completely opposite sides.

My suggestion: Don't just say "You win, good game, see you again in four years." Put your dignity where your mouth is.

:) Change your avatar and/or sig and show your humility by getting humiliated.

[Scotty]

So Obama won the election. It wasn't the outcome I was hoping for, but McCain was a terrible option, so I'm really not all that upset about it. I'm a Goldwater conservative and I'm hoping that getting the crap kicked out of it will move the GOP back in that direction.

But here that thing that's really bothering me: for many Obama supporters, it doesn't seem to be enough that your guy won huge. You've got to belittle and insult those who voted the other way: to wit, two of the threads on the front page here at the SO, the gist of which is "hey you ignorant redneck ****s that didn't see it our way, go find another country."

What the hell? And please do not use the "they do it too" argument as justification. That tactic didn't work for me as a kid...Mom told me that wrong was still wrong, regardless of the who did what first.

V, it seems we share alot in common. You hit the nail on the head.

[lexsooner]

Word is The Socialist is retaining Bernanke, Mueller & Admiral Mullen. So it seems to me that he's certainly trying. He might also keep Robert Gates and has talked about Hagel as a possible SOS.

Don't be fooled. These Socialist/Marxist/Terrorist/Arab types always start off by pretending to be reasonable and mainstream. In fact, this may continue for four or even eight years in Obama's case, but in the end the true Hussein will come out. ;)

[Scott D]

V is also a *****. :)

[soonerhubs]

Yay. He apologized. Whoopty-frickin'-doo.

The point is for some of us that find it a below-the-belt, petty barb, it's an issue of partisanship. For others, including myself, it was a horrid display of a lack of respect. The fact that he saw it within the bounds to drop the joke in the first place to me is telling of the man's character.

"Sorry I shot your dog/oppressed your race/broke your window/screwed your wife."

Yeah, that's all well and good. But the dog is still dead because you saw fit to pull the trigger in the first place. The act was wrong, period. The specifics of who doesn't matter unless it is those focusing on, as you mentioned, partisanship. It's simply wrong and uncalled for. And the fact that the man saw fit to drop it anyway, regardless of how quickly the apology flies, the dog is still dead, intent still exists, and the man's character takes yet another black mark to the ledger.

A good question to ask: Would you be feeling the same way had he made the comments about Hillary and her comparable activities, or would you laugh about it?

[Veritas]

V is also a *****. :)
You're ****in a right I'm five consecutive asterisks.

[Tulsa_Fireman]

A good question to ask: Would you be feeling the same way had he made the comments about Hillary and her comparable activities, or would you laugh about it?

While Hillary Clinton is no Nancy Reagan in my eyes, yes, I would. If given an identical set of circumstances. HRC's circumstances aren't the same. She's within the political arena and open to shots. Nancy Reagan is so far removed from politics she might as well be the old lady that lives down the street.

Put Hillary in Nancy's shoes? You bet your *** it's wrong.

[LosAngelesSooner]

Oh, Lord, Fireman. Go back to talking about Palin's boobies. :D

[Tulsa_Fireman]

Palin's boobies.

But in all honesty, I'm not pounding the desk in outrage. I do think that it was pretty chicken****.

Why take shots at Nancy frickin' Reagan, of all people? Why?

Apology or not, give me a solid reason why he'd take a shot at Nancy "I'm Older Than Jesus" Reagan.

[Frozen Sooner]

Nancy "I'm Older Than Jesus" Reagan.

Hmmm.

[Sooner_Havok]

I think that most of the regular posters that have been labeled as damned dirty libs have been pretty cordial. If I am wrong and I missed something, I am sorry, but it seems to me folks like JM, Fraggle, Froz, and Bri have been pretty low key on the celebration front. We haven't posted the "HA HA, you lost" threads or the "Dear god what have these stupid people done to MY country threads."

[Tulsa_Fireman]

Hmmm.

Wondered if someone would catch that. ;)

[Veritas]

Why take shots at Nancy frickin' Reagan, of all people? Why?
You probably spent more time typing "Nancy frickin' Reagan" than Obama did thinking before he said the Reagan thing. He screwed up, he knew it, and he did what he could to make things right.

Good grief.

[LosAngelesSooner]

LOL :D

[Jerk]

It's the Democrats turn. Let them celebrate. Remember, Peggy from Florida wants her mortgage paid and gas put in her tank, and there are millions like her.

I'll see y'all in 4 years. I'm taking a buck knife, a fishing pole, a tent, a bolt-action rifle, and parachuting into the remotest part of Montana. See you bitches later! And good luck!

[Jerk]

Ok. I'm back. It's cold outside.

[soonerhubs]

Can you pick me up enroute? I'm ready to live off the land, and it may as well be big sky country.

[soonerscuba]

It's the Democrats turn. Let them celebrate. Remember, Peggy from Florida wants her mortgage paid and gas put in her tank, and there are millions like her.

I'll see y'all in 4 years. I'm taking a buck knife, a fishing pole, a tent, a bolt-action rifle, and parachuting into the remotest part of Montana. See you bitches later! And good luck!Chances are you will land on Ted Turner's digs... THERE IS NO ESCAPING THE LIBERAL GOTCHA MSMz.

[KingBarry]

Word is The Socialist is retaining Bernanke, Mueller & Admiral Mullen. So it seems to me that he's certainly trying. He might also keep Robert Gates and has talked about Hagel as a possible SOS.

OMG Hagel as SOS is a nightmare beyond all imagining. Please just say no Mr Obama. Please just say no.

[KingBarry]

Palin's boobies.

But in all honesty, I'm not pounding the desk in outrage. I do think that it was pretty chicken****.

Why take shots at Nancy frickin' Reagan, of all people? Why?

Apology or not, give me a solid reason why he'd take a shot at Nancy "I'm Older Than Jesus" Reagan.

Because all the people around him say those same things in private about Nancy Reagan everyday, he laughs at them, they laugh at him, and all have a good time. He probably never considered that anyone would be offended, other than maybe Mrs Reagan herself -- and really who cared about her?

I work with professional Dems everyday, and they STILL think it's quite funny to make fun of Nancy Reagan and her palm readers, or whatever they were.

That would be like us making fun, not of HRC, but of Mrs Carter (I don't even remember her name).

Dems have long memories like that.

I am not being a political hack here, and believe me I could be. It's just true that Dems, the kind that would be around Barak Obama and his campaign, still make fun of Nancy Reagan.

My main observation of Sen Obama, and it is spelled out in more detail in another thread, is that he takes his cues from the people around him, and likes to be in the center, near the consensus, of any group.

Through his entire professional life, he has happened to be resident among some very leftish folks -- folks who would think something Nancy Reagan did 25 years ago was still funny. He is now, or soon will be, President of the entire United States, and his milieu will eventually include a broader political spectrum.

I expect that, when that does occur, we will see his policies and personal behavior moderate. He already learned that when POTUS-elect makes an "off hand" statement, it is taken far more seriously than when a simple US Senator says the same thing. I expect he will be more careful in the future. He is a very disciplined man, and he is learning the new rules of the road.

On the one hand, I am very bitter on the huge loss last week. On the other, that bitterness is tempered by the fact that the GOP -- which has unfortunately for everyone become the party of corruption, deficit spending and war -- pretty much deserved to lose.

And we lost to fabulous candidate. Not only is he great as a campaigner -- stump speechifying, debating, on TV-being, etc -- he is amazing as a campaign organizer/administrator. His strategies in the primaries and general election are already being intently studied by members of both parties from sea to shining sea.

I predict that for the next 14 to 20 years, every successful state-wide or national campaign will be based on the Obama 2008 effort, and many of the losing campaigns will be based on Obama as well. He is that good.

I am looking forward to 2012, but I am well aware that the GOP has a very steep challenge to unseat Obama. Hopefully, however, with a new look at Dem leadership, the country will be ready for more "change," and will give the Republicans another look. Hopefully, we'll have a candidate running a 21st Century, new-media dominated campaign, with resonant messages and a much broader appeal. Fingers crossed....

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Exactly.

Policies, decisions, stances on issues? ALL up for grabs.

Silly, childish, sandbox personal attacks before he's even in office? Partisan hackery.

We have bigger issues going on in the US than jokes that flopped and silly slip ups. If ONLY those were the biggest problems we had right now.

I'm gonna give the guy a chance before I start the criticism. And that chance STARTS once he's been sworn into office.

The bold is the only part of this I disagree with. Cabinet choices pre-swearing-in are fair game.

For debate, not "OMG terroristsz!!!11!!" crap.


And the only thing worse than jokes about Nancy Reagan's astrologers is the fact that Nancy Reagan had astrologers.