You f'n hillbillies rushing to the gun stores

[Jerk]

People pm me all the time asking questions about guns and I suspect it will happen more now, so....

Feel free to pm me or ask me whatever you want. I just want to let you know, though, I am not an expert at pistols. This does not mean I wont try and help you, but the only pistol I really know a lot about is the Colt 1911 invented by John Moses Browning (God bless him, may be peace be upon his soul). If you are a newbie to pistols then you need to know the difference between double-action and single-action, but I'm not going to go into that unless someone asks.

I know every single part on the AR-15 and FN-FAL designs and have the tools needed to re-barrel an AR or build one from a kit

Please let me know before you buy an AR-15 because there are many different manufacturers and they are not all equal. In fact, some are junk. Same is true with the magazines.

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=10583887&ch=4226720&src=news

[Stitch Face]

Where can I get a Sherman tank? It doesn't have to be in perfect condition.

[Turd_Ferguson]

I'm good. (i wished)

http://hikinghq.net/images/gun/100_0144.JPG

[Jerk]

Where can I get a Sherman tank? It doesn't have to be in perfect condition.

Not a good choice. Anyone can make a thermite grenade from materials easily and legally obtained. It would melt right through the top armor of that tank. Youtube 'thermite'

[CrimsonandCreamForever]

You said you're not an expert on pistols, but I was hoping maybe you or someone else could tell me the pro's and con's for:

http://www.ozarkguns.com/Springfield%20GI/PW9108L.jpg
Springfield 1911

and

http://www.handgunsmag.com/featured_handguns/HGGlock_0305A.jpg
Glock 37

[Stitch Face]

Not a good choice. Anyone can make a thermite grenade from materials easily and legally obtained. It would melt right through the top armor of that tank. Youtube 'thermite'

That ****'s for real? I thought they only had those kind of grenades in Star Wars! Doesn't Leia threaten Jabba with one of those? Come to think of it, Jabba is shaped kinda like a Sherman tank.

[85Sooner]

Any 50 cals on the market?

Seriously thanks for the offer, I may take you up on it. Been wanting an AR or AK.

[Tulsa_Fireman]

I got a question. A serious question.

Got me a Marlin Model 60 in stainless. It's my squirrel gun. I love it. However, I got a problem.

How in the hell do I put a sling on it?

It doesn't have a ring mount like a 10/22, the tube magazine looks too thin to be bolting up a magazine mounted swivel, the forestock is waaaay to thin to tap a screw swivel (in my opinion. Don't want to crack the stock), and the magazine takes up any room through the forestock for a bolt and nut swivel. I've debated tapping the forestock from the front, laterally with the barrel, but that'll place all the stress and weight of the rifle on the swivel mount WITH the grain of the wood of the stock, which also runs the risk of splitting the stock.

Am I just screwed? I considered a 10/22 when I bought it, but I wanted the larger capacity tube magazine, I wanted it in stainless, and having shot both, actually prefer the Model 60. The only kicker is that sling.

Ideas outside of taking it to a gunsmith and fabricating something specifically for a sling swivel?

[Turd_Ferguson]

Would it not mount the same as this one?

http://www.kilroy-was-here.org/Marlin%2070.jpg

[Jerk]

You said you're not an expert on pistols, but I was hoping maybe you or someone else could tell me the pro's and con's for:

http://www.ozarkguns.com/Springfield%20GI/PW9108L.jpg
Springfield 1911

and

http://www.handgunsmag.com/featured_handguns/HGGlock_0305A.jpg
Glock 37

Yes, I will. The Glock is about as reliable as you can get. It can even fire under water..just youtube it. However, there are no safeties and the first pull of the trigger is a long double-action pull that can make the first shot inaccurate. A big pro is that 9mm is cheap and the high-cap magazines can hold a ton of it; something like 33 rounds.

The 1911 is much more expensive and kind of like buying a race car- it usually needs to be tweaked and tuned. Having said that, it is a 100 year old design which is still considered the best combat handgun today, and is in use by the FBI, many police agencies, the Marines, and a has a huge cult following in the public. Its trigger is going to be light and smooth on the first shot, enabling a lot more accuracy, and it has 5 different safety features. The .45 ACP round it shoots is a hard-hitter, but expensive. In other words, it is the world's most deadly handgun but also the safest. It will be more expensive than a Glock, and the magazines only hold 7 to 8 rounds.

ETA - I just read that you're considering a Glock 37...I was thinking Glock 19. My bad.

[CrimsonandCreamForever]

Ok, cool. I was leaning towards the 1911. My dad has the model in that picture, plus a few after-market goodies on it, and it shoots like a dream. Thanks for the input.

[Jerk]

Tulsa Fireman

I'm not familiar with this but it might work
http://www.brownells.com/aspx/ns/store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=8892&title=UNCLE%20MIKE%27S%20QD%20100%20SLING%20SWIVEL

I wonder if someone makes a synthetic stock for it that you can use.

[StoopTroup]

rant over.

[Jerk]

Tulsa Fireman, here is a stock with the studs in it:

http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=317333&t=11082005

ETA - here is one that is in stock

http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=566821&t=11082005

[Whet]

OK Jerk - here are some manufacturers of the AR. Which would you select and which would you stay away?

High Standard
Bushmaster
Ruger mini-14 or mini-30
Delton
Colt
FN Herstal
Charles Daly
Keltec
Microtech Small Arms Research
Smith and Wesson

[Tulsa_Fireman]

Would it not mount the same as this one?

http://www.kilroy-was-here.org/Marlin%2070.jpg

That's not a Model 60. That's the Model 70, essentially a 60 with a clip instead of a tube. The stock however is the same between models, and is routed to accept the tube magazine which makes it a whole lot more thin right in line where you'd mount your stud swivel.

And Jerk, I don't know if those epoxy swivel studs will work or not. Not against it either way, I just don't know. It's a walnut stock, though. My gut tells me that'd bond and hold a lot better with synthetic, and to be honest, I'd prefer the walnut. But hell, it's gotta be worth a shot.

EDIT: Damn it. Requires 5/8" forestock thickness. It's less than half an inch at the tip.

[Jerk]

High Standard - I don't know about them.

Bushmaster - A good AR, but I've seen some people have problems with them.

Ruger mini-14 or mini-30 - reliable little rifles but not very accurate and factory magazines aren't nearly as easy to get as AR mags

Delton - Should be fine. They also make kits that get good reviews.

Colt - They make the best AR

FN Herstal - If anyone tries to sell you an AR made by FN then run away fast, because they are all U.S. Government property

Charles Daly - This is an interesting story that may require an entire post, but they should be fine rifles.

Keltec - I didn't know that they made AR's

Microtech Small Arms Research - I didn't know that they made AR's

Smith and Wesson - Good rifles. Buy with confidence.

[Whet]

here is micotec: http://www.lipseys.com/itemdetail.aspx?itemno=MS200-1-RH-20&caliber=223+Rem+|+5.56+NATO (http://www.lipseys.com/itemdetail.aspx?itemno=MS200-1-RH-20&caliber=223+Rem+%7C+5.56+NATO)

Keltec is considered a pistol...


Jerk,
Thanks for the info!

[Jerk]

here is micotec: http://www.lipseys.com/itemdetail.aspx?itemno=MS200-1-RH-20&caliber=223+Rem+|+5.56+NATO (http://www.lipseys.com/itemdetail.aspx?itemno=MS200-1-RH-20&caliber=223+Rem+%7C+5.56+NATO)

Keltec is considered a pistol...


Jerk,
Thanks for the info!

That's pretty cool. I've read about that but I don't know jack squat about it. It's really a shame that the parts aren't interchangeable with the original Styre Aug.

[KABOOKIE]

Know where I can get some live hand grenades near the Los Angeles area?

[GottaHavePride]

One of these days I'll have enough money saved to get a couple of guns of my own.

Though I'm pretty sure my dad has a spare Glock 17 he'll let me use for concealed carry. Since I'm big enough to hide one of those. ;)

[85Sooner]

One of these days I'll have enough money saved to get a couple of guns of my own.

Though I'm pretty sure my dad has a spare Glock 17 he'll let me use for concealed carry. Since I'm big enough to hide one of those. ;)

By that time they might be illegal.

[proud gonzo]

By that time they might be illegal.whatever, dude. the government has bigger things to worry about.

[SoonerInKCMO]

I got some instructions on how to make a potato gun out of the "Big Damn Book of Sheer Manliness"; that's all I need. Well, that, and a sack of taters.

[GottaHavePride]

By that time they might be illegal.

1. With the economy, Iraq, and health care as big issues, I don't think gun control will come up anytime soon.

2. What will be illegal? All guns? No way could they get a constitutional amendment past 3/4 of the states - because that's what it would take. High-cap mags? I don't miss at handgun range. If there's more than 9 ****ers after me at once, I shouldn't be there to begin with. ;)

3. See point 1.

[85Sooner]

Supreme court could reinterpret the second amendment. Not probable but they would love to do it.

[Rogue]

Supreme court could reinterpret the second amendment. Not probable but they would love to do it.

See, this is paranoia. SCOTUS just ruled, this past summer, on Heller.
We're good. Everything's cool. Quit overpaying for guns and driving the dang market up people.

[Whet]

Know where I can get some live hand grenades near the Los Angeles area?

You might ask someone that lives out there go to pick some up for you at one of the gun shows...

[Whet]

whatever, dude. the government has bigger things to worry about.
I agree! They seem to be anxious to start up their mandatory community service for middle school, high school and college students!

"Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by developing a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year," the site announced. ;)

[Chuck Bao]

I am still holding out for a grenade launcher. I’ve seen them on the street market in Mukdahan. They were dismantled, of course. I want to fire off one or two across the Mekong and NOT start a war.

I’m sorry that LAS hasn’t been here to verify it.

In Thailand, we got our own little reactionary force going on and a wet dream for you Wolverines wannabes. According to General Seh Daeng, the pro-government civilian militia (United Front for Democracy Against Dictatorship (UDD)) are getting ready to fight tanks if there is another coup.

The UDD wants to dislodge the anti-government mob, the PAD, that has held Government House (equivalent to the White House) for three months already. The PAD calls itself the People's Alliance for Democracy and, despite the name, is calling for less democracy and the overthrow of an elected government.

The whole dropping snakes on them from helicopters is pure genius, in my opinion. How else do you fight people with golf clubs and sling shots?

Things are pretty quiet now and that’s because both sides don’t want to detract from the official mourning of the funeral services of HM the King’s older sister in mid-November or the King’s birthday on Dec. 5. After that, look out.

I can’t find the news article about the pro-government mob’s RPGs, but this news article gives you an idea.

http://bangkokpundit.blogspot.com/2008/10/dont-mess-with-seh-daeng.html


Are we seeing a precursor to what happens if PAD somehow "win"? A few days ago Major-General Khattiya Sawasdipol (aka Seh Daeng) threatened to mobilize supporters if the military staged a coup.

A group of government supporters is planning to take up arms and stage running battles with the army on the streets of Bangkok if the military attempts to stage a coup against the Somchai Wongsawat administration.

Military specialist Maj-Gen Khattiya Sawasdipol, who is close to the government, said a military putsch will be met by strong resistance from pro-government factions.

United Front for Democracy Against Dictatorship (UDD) supporters and several pro-government movements in the Northeast are poised to take to the streets and fight troops, he said.

Maj-Gen Khattiya, who claims to be training UDD supporters, said Molotov cocktails would be used against tanks if they rumble through the streets.

"If a coup is staged, the 4th Cavalry Battalion [which controls 50 tanks] will be blocked," he said.

"In the Sept 19 [2006] coup, tanks rolled out, but no-one dared to fight. This time, fire-bombs will be waiting.

"There is also a chance people will lie down on the streets and block the tanks. In the last coup people gave them flowers. But if they come out now, people will hurl Molotov cocktails at them."

There have been rumours of a new coup since the leaders of the armed forces, led by Army Commander Gen Anupong Paojinda, appeared on a television programme on Thursday and called on Mr Somchai to take responsibility for the Oct 7 clashes between police and protesters. The military's move was perceived as a threat to stage a coup.

Maj-Gen Khattiya blamed military leaders for creating a climate of fear in their TV appearance, as they were dressed in full military uniform.

When asked about the UDD's forces, he said they were being trained to fight and the training ground had been shifted from Sanam Luang to a training camp.

He said there were hundreds of UDD fighters whose task is to counter the People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD).

Maj-Gen Khattiya said UDD fighters had been approached by the government and the police to help block PAD protesters on Oct 7 and Oct 13.

On Oct 7 they were asked to go to Parliament to clear the way for Mr Somchai to leave the premises after delivering his policy statement.

However, the prime minister managed to slip out on his own.

He claimed they were asked to go to police headquarters on Oct 13 to counter PAD demonstrators who threatened to hold a rally against the previous clash. However, the PAD cancelled the rally.

Nirmal in the Strait Times:

The major general is not an ordinary man. He is 'Seh Daeng' - a folk hero in Thailand for his combat exploits from Laos to Cambodia to Aceh.

He speaks animatedly, eyes intense, face animated, gesticulating decisively.

He gets up and takes down a poster showing the covers of several books about him. They show him riding a white stallion, brandishing weapons, and dressed as a Muslim in an undercover mission in Aceh.

Seh Daeng is a larger than life figure in Thailand - a notorious, fearless maverick who famously laughs in the face of enemy fire. He said if it was up to him, he would clear Government House of the PAD protestors in no time. He would first cut off all supplies including water and electricity, then use water cannons on the thousands camped there - and drop snakes on them from helicopters [BP: Snakes!].

He had proposed the solution to then-prime minister Samak Sundaravej, he told us – but it had been turned down.

Now he is training the young men in black as a counterforce to the PAD. He stresses that they are not the same as the pro-government groups loosely called the United Front for Democracy Against Dictatorship (UDD) whose supporters dress in red to distinguish themselves from the royalist yellow of the PAD.
...
It is a ragtag militia, which trains in full public view with the sticks but in an undisclosed location with real guns. But Seh Daeng is confident they can do the job of standing up to the well-organised PAD guards with their golf clubs, baseball bats and slingshots – and some guns.

Seh Daeng adopted the project after the midnight clash of Sep 1-2, when one pro-government supporter was killed.

Seh Daeng is voluble, speaking in rapid Thai. 'The police couldn't help, and the army ignored government orders' he told me. 'My men are not an army, they are resistance. I am not on the side of the reds or the yellows, I am independent. The PAD say they want to save the country. But they are dragging the monarchy down into politics.'

'This situation needs tough leadership. But the government is weak, no one is capable of sorting this out, not even the army. Everyone is afraid of the PAD. The only one they are afraid of is me.'

Asked how he as a serving military major general (he is attached to army headquarters in an administrative job) he is able to train a private militia, he laughed and told us 'I have fought for the dignity of the country.'

'Nobody messes with me, I am a warrior, I am Seh Daeng.'

[Okla-homey]

I am still holding out for a grenade launcher. I’ve seen them on the street market in Mukdahan. They were dismantled, of course. I want to fire off one or two across the Mekong and NOT start a war.

I’m sorry that LAS hasn’t been here to verify it.

In Thailand, we got our own little reactionary force going on and a wet dream for you Wolverines wannabes. According to General Seh Daeng, the pro-government civilian militia (United Front for Democracy Against Dictatorship (UDD)) are getting ready to fight tanks if there is another coup.

The UDD wants to dislodge the anti-government mob, the PAD, that has held Government House (equivalent to the White House) for three months already. The PAD calls itself the People's Alliance for Democracy and, despite the name, is calling for less democracy and the overthrow of an elected government.

The whole dropping snakes on them from helicopters is pure genius, in my opinion. How else do you fight people with golf clubs and sling shots?

Things are pretty quiet now and that’s because both sides don’t want to detract from the official mourning of the funeral services of HM the King’s older sister in mid-November or the King’s birthday on Dec. 5. After that, look out.

I can’t find the news article about the pro-government mob’s RPGs, but this news article gives you an idea.

http://bangkokpundit.blogspot.com/2008/10/dont-mess-with-seh-daeng.html


serious question. Are you people allowed to possess firearms in your homes?

[Rogue]

Chuck is waxing eloquent about the PAD in Thai from his new Thai Pad.

[Chuck Bao]

serious question. Are you people allowed to possess firearms in your homes?

In short, yes. Thais are supposed to have a license. But like most things in the kingdom, money can buy anything.

There are hundreds of thousands of policemen in the country and they all have to buy their own weapons. I guess otherwise, they'd sell them!

[Chuck Bao]

Chuck is waxing eloquent about the PAD in Thai from his new Thai Pad.

It is a good thing that I don't have a gun. Nope wants to take them out.

It is a bit funny that these PAD supporters in Bangkok are surprised that they haven't won out already and that some people could take exception to their idea that the poor provincial people are too stupid to vote responsibly and not ready for democracy.

Nope and I are still giggling about the last government attempt to dislodge the PAD mob from Government House. We really shouldn't. Sadly, several people died. Thai troops hadn't practiced shooting tear gas into a mob. Thai troops practice shooting people, so they aimed the tear gas canisters at people's heads and bodies. Besides that, they were using anti-mob tear gas canisters manufactured in China and you know that THEY mean business in China with that stuff.

[Jerk]

I agree! They seem to be anxious to start up their mandatory community service for middle school, high school and college students!
;)

Early morning they had it on their website (presidentelect.gov) that it was going to be mandatory. They changed it later in the day to be optional. I bet they got a lot of complaints from some pot smoking college kids who didn't want to be hassled with that stuff.

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/11/hah-obamas-changegov-caught-changing.html

PLEASE, Dear Leader, make it mandatory. I will laugh my ****ing *** off.

[Okla-homey]

It is a good thing that I don't have a gun. Nope wants to take them out.

It is a bit funny that these PAD supporters in Bangkok are surprised that they haven't won out already and that some people could take exception to their idea that the poor provincial people are too stupid to vote responsibly and not ready for democracy.

Nope and I are still giggling about the last government attempt to dislodge the PAD mob from Government House. We really shouldn't. Sadly, several people died. Thai troops hadn't practiced shooting tear gas into a mob. Thai troops practice shooting people, so they aimed the tear gas canisters at people's heads and bodies. Besides that, they were using anti-mob tear gas canisters manufactured in China and you know that THEY mean business in China with that stuff.

I have a few college classmates who ended up becoming Thai generals. I need to see if they're on Facebook and if so, inform them they need to round up these PAD guys and execute them or they're just a bunch of p*ssies.;)

[StoopTroup]

See, this is paranoia. SCOTUS just ruled, this past summer, on Heller.
We're good. Everything's cool. Quit overpaying for guns and driving the dang market up people.

Ummmm....could you be quiet for about another month with that stuff.

Some of us are very busy. :D

[leavingthezoo]

Democrats are going to take your guns when they're in control just like the Republicans overturned abortion when they were.