Pete Carroll complaining about the BCS..

[OU-HSV]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3683034&campaign=rss&source=NCFHeadlines


LOS ANGELES -- Pete Carroll insists he doesn't understand how the BCS system works. He understands enough to know he doesn't like it one bit.

"I think it stinks. I don't think it's the way it should be," Carroll said concerning how college football crowns its champion. "But all we can do is keep talking about it."


Carroll

And that's what the Southern California coach did Tuesday at his weekly meeting with reporters.

Carroll has expressed his displeasure over the years with the system, but things hit a new high for him over the weekend when the Trojans (7-1, 5-1 Pac-10) dropped from fifth to seventh in the BCS standings after they blanked Washington 56-0 for their third shutout in four games.

"I don't understand how the thing works, I don't really know," he said. "Maybe you guys will answer for it one of these days. Maybe you know and I don't. I'm sure you do.

"What is the criteria of the process? Is it to pick the team that has the best season, that has the season that you like the most and feel best about voting for? Or is it the best team at the end of the year, the team that would win a playoff system if you did have it?" he said.

One reality is pretty simple. USC trails three one-loss teams in the rankings -- Florida, Texas and Oklahoma -- despite averaging over 40 points per game and allowing only 7.1 points. That's because the Pac-10 is clearly weaker than the Big 12 or the Southeastern Conference this season, meaning the Trojans have a weaker schedule than those ranked higher. So they've got to win out and get a lot of help to reach the BCS title game.

The Big 12 has five teams ranked among the top 14 in this week's BCS standings and the SEC has four among the top 16. The Pac-10 has USC at No. 7, California at No. 21 and nobody else in the Top 25.

The Trojans play the Golden Bears (6-2, 4-1) on Saturday night at the Los Angeles Coliseum. Oregon State (5-3, 4-1), which upset USC 27-21 on Sept. 25, is the only Pac-10 team that controls its destiny in the conference race.

Carroll said all of his losses "live in infamy," but clearly, the Oregon State game ranks at or near the top.

"I've got a list of 'em that stay in the back of my mind, how they've affected our time, affected seasons, played a big part in it," he said. "That game's hanging. It's still hanging there. They got a lot out of it. We got hammered by our performance. It is what it is. It happened and it's truth and all that. It's still hanging there, obviously."

Carroll said the Pac-10 has been hurt this year by several injuries to quarterbacks.

"They've all just been hammered," he said. "The quarterback position is such a critical part, particularly in offenses that are so dedicated to throwing the football and moving it around and doing all the dynamic things that we do. I don't know, other conferences, you can look around, conferences that are maybe at the top of their game, check and see what's happening with their quarterbacks, see if that's been a factor. I bet it hasn't."

Asked if a team can properly be judged by the conference it plays in, Carroll replied: "I think you have to do the best you can. Can you properly? I don't know. Who can properly figure this thing out? It's so subjective, I don't know how you figure it out. That's why even presidential candidates want to see playoffs. Everybody wants to see 'em. Then we don't talk like this."

Carroll referred to Democrat Barack Obama's remarks of Monday night, when he said if there was one thing he could change in sports if given the opportunity, it would be for college football to pick a champion with a playoff system. The BCS chooses two teams to play for the title at season's end based on polls and computer rankings.

"I don't know how the computer thing works," Carroll said. "I don't get that part of it. I don't know how the computer knows how good another team is. I don't understand that. I don't know how they can evaluate who you're playing and stuff and all that.

"We should end our season with a championship game and a big party afterward. I don't have that nailed. The reason is you still are going to have to go to some type of an evaluation process to get to the final teams that would be part of the final tournament," he said.

Carroll suggested eight, as many before him have.

"You're still going to have some upset teams," he said. "But I think in taking eight teams, you're most likely not going to leave a team out of there that would win the whole thing. Could be. It could happen. So you're getting closer to it. Just three weeks later you can figure it out. Three games later, you can figure it out."

Carroll is also perplexed regarding who's in charge.

"The really interesting thing is, who is making these decisions? You guys can't even talk to the people that are calling the shots," he said. "You can talk to people that have opinions about it, who say they know somebody that might have a play in it, but we don't even know who this is. It's kind of like the Wizard of Oz -- somebody behind that screen there, but we don't know who it is.

"We're not playing to win the BCS. We're playing to win our conference," he said.

Speaking of Obama, he received Carroll's vote.

"[I] was excited about it, fired up for it," Carroll said.

Copyright 2008 by The Associated Press
Hey Pete....news flash, you lost to the Oregon State Beavers....so STFU

[hink4769]

Yeah I read that article too. I remember him making similar comments last year. I don't necessarily disagree with him (as far as having a playoff) but he really just sounds like a sore loser. This would have more effect if his team was 8-0.

[o0Dan0o]

Pretty obvious that he doesn't like the computer poll because it ranks him so low. If the comp polls ranked him high and the others low I'd bet he'd find something about the pollsters to bitch about...

[OU-HSV]

Yeah I read that article too. I remember him making similar comments last year. I don't necessarily disagree with him (as far as having a playoff) but he really just sounds like a sore loser. This would have more effect if his team was 8-0.

I'm all for a playoff as well. But as you said, he's just coming across as a sore loser. If we lose to an unranked team, I would be happy and surprised to be sitting where suc sits today in the bcs. It's ridiculous of him to bitch about it when he knows damn well they were prison raped by Oregon State for at least 2 and a half qtrs....and they lost the game.

[sooner59]

I read an article earlier, and it was about how USC is just hurting themselves by getting all of the talent in the PAC 10. Would-be starters on other teams are riding the bench at USC. It is so easy to recruit their that they are taking all they want, not all they need. They are dragging down the conference. I guess that doesn't help them beat Stanford or Oregon State, hehe. Carroll also said that he wanted Adrian Peterson "in the worst way". And even though he had Bush and Lendale White, Peterson would have been playing. And we all know how that worked from him. Im feel so bad for Pete.....HA!

[sendbaht]

What a cry baby.....that's all I have to say.

[Collier11]

Say what you will about him but he is correct, how the hell can a computer and a bunch of biased voters determine a champion better than playing it on the field?

[Collier11]

I'm all for a playoff as well. But as you said, he's just coming across as a sore loser. If we lose to an unranked team, I would be happy and surprised to be sitting where suc sits today in the bcs. It's ridiculous of him to bitch about it when he knows damn well they were prison raped by Oregon State for at least 2 and a half qtrs....and they lost the game.

Last yr we got beat by an unranked colorado team and barely lost to a good TT team with our starting QB sitting on the sidelines with an injury and you cant convince me that we couldnt have played well in a playoff

[Boomer38Sooner]

The BCS wouldn't be a problem for him if he wouldn't have lost to a mediocre Oregon State team

[tulsaoilerfan]

The BCS wouldn't be a problem for him if he wouldn't have lost to a mediocre Oregon State team

Mediocre pretty much describes the Pac 10, except for those couple of teams that can't even reach mediocrity; this conference is a joke any more

[OU-HSV]

Last yr we got beat by an unranked colorado team and barely lost to a good TT team with our starting QB sitting on the sidelines with an injury and you cant convince me that we couldnt have played well in a playoff

I'm assuming you are understanding that I agree with the playoff idea, as I said.
Also, had we not even made the fiesta bowl last season, I still wouldn't have bitched...I knew we lost to Colorado, I knew we lost to Tech...I understand the consequences of losing, apparently Pete does not

[OU-HSV]

The BCS wouldn't be a problem for him if he wouldn't have lost to a mediocre Oregon State team

exactly

[adoniijahsooner]

The way college football "crown" their champion is the dumbest formula in all of sports.

[sooner59]

Hey, if Pete wants it, bring it on. If it came down to OU vs USC for the title, I say bring it. I put us against anybody any day. If we lose, then hey, we had our chance. I played high school football. Thats the way it is. If you want the title, you play for it. If you win, then you move on. I have personally been undefeated in the state championship game against a 2-loss team. We lost by 1 point. Am I bitter? No. We had our chance for the title and we didn't get it done. Whats fair is fair. The best team at the end of the season is the best team. Thats the way I see it.

[RedstickSooner]

Y'know, I tried. I really did. I went round and round in my head, trying to decide whether to make fun of the fact that if not for the BCS, he'd just win AP NC after AP NC year after year over there, going to the Rose Bowl each season and beating up on some comically bad Big-10 team. Or maybe I should poke fun at the Pac-10 for not instituting a conference championship game. Possibly complain that after a season of pillow fights with the girls' schools that make up the Pac-10, of course he'd love a playoff -- his team doesn't get many contact related injuries. Heck, they seem to injure themselves more in practice than they do in game situations.

But I couldn't get past the thing that usually occurs to me whenever Pete Carroll comes up:

f*&k him.

[47straight]

Basically Petey wants a free pass for losing to the likes Stanford and Oregon State.

Good grief he is one whiny bitch.

[TumbleWeed Timmy]

USC had best be hoping the Beavers drop a game or they won't even make it to the Rose bowl, much less any other BCS bowl game.

[DangTire]

Last yr we got beat by an unranked colorado team and barely lost to a good TT team with our starting QB sitting on the sidelines with an injury and you cant convince me that we couldnt have played well in a playoff

Apparently you missed out on the WV game.

[hgarmorer]

According to this guy 'Ol Petey brought all of this upon himself. I don't disagree, I just skipped over the first sentence, then read the rest. :D

Greed not so good for Trojans
By Dan Wetzel, Yahoo! Sports
Nov 4, 3:47 am EST

Just a few days before Southern California annihilated Oklahoma, 55-19, for the 2004 BCS championship, Pete Carroll talked recruiting with the media.

The Trojans were undefeated and stacked with talent, including the best running back tandem in the country, Reggie Bush and LenDale White. Yet Carroll couldn’t help but get wistful at the rare miss.

“I wanted Adrian Peterson in the worst way,” Carroll said of losing out to OU for the star.

While there is no denying Peterson’s outrageous ability, the idea of adding him to a potent backfield of future pros, where carries were already in short supply, seemed rather, well, greedy.

What would you do with Peterson anyway, Carroll was asked.

“Play him,” he said with a laugh.

Greed is generally good when it comes to recruiting. If you can sign every great player in the country – or at least the majority of them in talent-rich California – then why wouldn’t you?

Carroll has come close to doing just that. And in the bizarro world of the BCS, it’s killing him.

Not on the field, where his latest powerhouse team is 7-1 and just outscored its last five opponents 214-20.

In the BCS standings though, SC’s recruiting dominance has left its conference in shambles, one strength-of-schedule-sinking opponent after the next. Saturday’s 56-0 destruction of Washington somehow caused the Trojans to drop from No. 5 to No. 7.

“The more we win the worse we get,” Carroll joked to reporters Sunday.

The more Carroll recruits, the worse everyone gets. These Pac-10 opponents are lousy for a reason. Half their starters are sitting on the Trojan bench.

While greed can at times be a fine thing for the greedy, it can also produce unintended negative consequences. For Carroll it’s this: he’s run the nation’s best program for awhile but has just one BCS title to show for it.

The reason is the system’s computers hate him. They may like Karl Marx though, or at least a good old-fashioned mercy rule.

If each February Carroll would sign what he needs, not what he wants, maybe the rest of his league could play a lick. Forget “Fight On!” Let’s try, “Share.”

You know, rather than take another man-eating linebacker, maybe allow Washington State to have him.

Or perhaps he could create a welfare program, a rent-a-star system. The Trojans’ third-string quarterback is Mitch Mustain, who went 7-1 as a freshman starter at Arkansas before transferring.

He’s really good, even if Carroll has no use for him at the moment. So couldn’t they ship him out to say, Arizona State, at least during non-conference play? He’d get a little seasoning, help the league’s computer power and then come back and hold a clipboard. It’s win-win.

It seems apparent these other schools can’t do it on their own. Would it be so bad if USC got a little worse so the rest of the league could get a little better?

Or is 1-6 against the Mountain West acceptable?

Recruiting rankings won’t tell you everything, but they’ll tell you something. From 2004-07 (the current fifth year seniors to sophomores) USC signed Rivals.com’s No. 1 class nationally three times. The other year it came in second.

The problem is only once did another Pac-10 team sign a top-10 class. Only five times did anyone manage to crack the top 20.

Essentially, USC got all the recruits. Carroll convinced them that practice time at USC is more valuable than playing time at UCLA. Hey, it worked for Matt Cassel, who couldn’t start for the Trojans but does for the New England Patriots.

The Pac-10 is fueled by the annual mother lode of California high school players. For the league to thrive, they need to spread out.

Instead, the majority head to the L.A. Coliseum. USC annually signs between six and eight of the top 10 players in California. It often gets the very best three, four or even six. When you consider Notre Dame grabs one or two of the other available stars, the rest of the league is practically shut out.

From 2005-08, USC signed 29 recruits ranked in the top 50 nationally. The other Pac-10 schools combined to sign four.

This weekend, the Trojans play No. 21 Cal. It’s the last chance to impress pollsters and computers alike against a quality opponent. It won’t be enough. The BCS title game is going to happen without them, again. Not that the Trojans have much of an argument at this stage. They lost to Oregon State, which unbeaten teams Utah and Penn State both handled.

Obviously, avoiding the annual stumble to a weaker league foe would be the easiest solution for SC’s title drought. Unlike other big-time leagues though, the Pac-10 doesn’t allow for a recovery.

In an effort to help his strength of schedule, Carroll plays a non-conference slate like no other. Not only are there no teams from the old Division I-AA, such as the ones Big Ten powers play, it’s generally devoid of mid-majors. He even welcomes the challenge of real road games – at Auburn, Arkansas, BYU, Notre Dame, etc.

Not even that can save him.

If there was a playoff, USC might have three or four national titles. Since there isn’t, its postseason satisfaction has to come from running up the score in the Rose Bowl.

Drastic disappointment calls for drastic measures. Greed has served the Trojans well. Perhaps a little situational socialism might serve them even better. Redistribute the wealth! Tax the rich! Send that 4.4 speedster to Washington so they can beat somebody, anybody!

Right Pete?

Ah, perhaps not.

Carroll is expected to sign the nation’s No. 1 recruiting class again. No other Pac-10 team is expected to threaten the top 15. Four of the top five California seniors have already committed to USC. The other is headed to Notre Dame.

The Trojans’ feast is the Pac-10’s famine. If greed is how it’s going to be, then back to Plan A. Sign them all and don’t dare lose.

[auto]

Plus voted for a socialist one more reason to dislike him.

[stoopified]

Funny how Pete wasn't pi$$ing and moaning when the BCS worked out for him.I too want a playoff sytem but find it HARD TO AGREE WITH PETEY BOY ON ANYTHING.

[BigBoomerInBigD]

Y'know, I tried. I really did. I went round and round in my head, trying to decide whether to make fun of the fact that if not for the BCS, he'd just win AP NC after AP NC year after year over there, going to the Rose Bowl each season and beating up on some comically bad Big-10 team. Or maybe I should poke fun at the Pac-10 for not instituting a conference championship game. Possibly complain that after a season of pillow fights with the girls' schools that make up the Pac-10, of course he'd love a playoff -- his team doesn't get many contact related injuries. Heck, they seem to injure themselves more in practice than they do in game situations.

But I couldn't get past the thing that usually occurs to me whenever Pete Carroll comes up:

f*&k him.


EXACTLY! :D

[Hot Rod]

Well, after USC beats Cal, then Cal will drop out of the Top 25, thus continually showing us that USC is the only good team in the Pac10 and that this conference is weak.

[ratedrsuperstar]

Last yr we got beat by an unranked colorado team and barely lost to a good TT team with our starting QB sitting on the sidelines with an injury and you cant convince me that we couldnt have played well in a playoff

West Virginia convinced me !

[mfosterftw]

Apparently you missed out on the WV game.

And at the time that game was played it meant what exactly for the players and coaches? Bragging rights? The last two bowls have been consolation games, and after taking the money OU played like they were.

[Collier11]

and it was evident that our players (right or wrong) didnt give a sh*t about that game

[TheUnnamedSooner]

Funny thing is, it's his conference and Big 10 that is holding back any type of playoff.

[1890MilesToNorman]

Pete is lucky he is even being considered for any poll with all the NCAA infractions that go uninvestigated at USC. :D

[OUDoc]

He's worried that without the high BCS rankings, he'll have to pay his players out of his own pocket.

[Hot Rod]

Maybe he should realize that Stoops has the same gripe seeing that we put 62 on a team with wins and dropped 2 spots as well. Not to mention that we scored 49 in the 1st half against a winning team.

[Lott's Bandana]

Well, after USC beats Cal, then they will jump us after our insignificant victory against aTm.

Fixed.:mad:

[badger]

Complain at the end of the season, not now when they aren't going to do anything about it. Being portrayed as a whiner is not something you want in college football when humans and human computers determine your postseason fate.

[Dan Thompson]

Pete has confused margin of victory with strength of schedule.

[Hot Rod]

Fixed.:mad:

Yeah, no kiddin'

[OUTrumpet]

I would probably say something similiar if I was in his shoes.

He thinks he has the best, or one of the best football teams in the country. He can't control how terribad his locked conference foes are. The only way to have a shot for him if he has any problem in his conference is to say we need to get away from the BCS.

Would you be upset if the Big 12 was as down as the Pac 10 is and Bob Stoops was calling for a playoff to try to get us a chance in the future?

[Lott's Bandana]

I would probably say something similiar if I was in his shoes.

He thinks he has the best, or one of the best football teams in the country. He can't control how terribad his locked conference foes are. The only way to have a shot for him if he has any problem in his conference is to say we need to get away from the BCS.

Would you be upset if the Big 12 was as down as the Pac 10 is and Bob Stoops was calling for a playoff to try to get us a chance in the future?

He could've last year...and didn't.

Nor did he whine about the Oregon debacle.

He does get a bit "animated" on the sidelines, however. :P

[soonerinabilene]

I would probably say something similiar if I was in his shoes.

He thinks he has the best, or one of the best football teams in the country. He can't control how terribad his locked conference foes are. The only way to have a shot for him if he has any problem in his conference is to say we need to get away from the BCS.

Would you be upset if the Big 12 was as down as the Pac 10 is and Bob Stoops was calling for a playoff to try to get us a chance in the future?

Watchin ESPN show Bobs presser saying that he is favor of a playoff just yesterday.

[RiddlerOK]

Poor Pete. Always politicking for any edge he can get. Well, he would be better served by actually winning all of his games when he consistently fields a team with the talent levels he has acquired.

Yes I agree we should have a playoff. I know the end result would likely be that USC would have a greater chance at winning it all more often but, at least it would be settled on the field with no chance of us having to put up with the arguments we hear all the time about the imperfections of the BCS.

[oumartin]

he needs to quit buyin' all the good recruits and spread the wealth around in the Pac10 a little. Maybe that would improve the conference

[jojotot]

Funny how Pete wasn't pi$$ing and moaning when the BCS worked out for him.I too want a playoff sytem but find it HARD TO AGREE WITH PETEY BOY ON ANYTHING.

Would you feel differently about him if I told you that he has consistently called for a playoff system, and that he has always advocated for a playoff system, even during the two years USC was in the BCS Championship game? Because, you know, he has, he is, and he will continue to, push for a playoff in CFB.

Also, the BCS is a hot topic right now, and the question came up during a press conference and was raised by a reporter. What would you prefer he say? "No comment", or what he actually believes.

[MALE918]

he makes excellent points that all of us have said at one point or another. but he comes off as a sore loser.

[Leroy Lizard]

and it was evident that our players (right or wrong) didnt give a sh*t about that game

OU got its *** beat and would have had its *** beat in a playoff game just as well. The argument that "We lost because we really didn't try" is whiny.


Would you feel differently about him if I told you that he has consistently called for a playoff system, and that he has always advocated for a playoff system, even during the two years USC was in the BCS Championship game?

This only convinces me further that playoffs are a bad idea.

[Collier11]

OU got its *** beat and would have had its *** beat in a playoff game just as well. The argument that "We lost because we really didn't try" is whiny.

That shows how much knowledge you truly have of sports

This only convinces me further that playoffs are a bad idea.

Im not even going there with you again, you couldnt be more wrong

[Leroy Lizard]

Im not even going there with you again, you couldnt be more wrong

Let's see... you responded to my post to tell me that you wouldn't be responding to my post. Oh yeah, real logical there.

Do you phone pollsters to tell them that you have no opinion?

[Big D Sooner]

Umm... just pointing out that Bob Stoops just said that he is in favor of a playoff too. I don't care for Pete Carroll but on this, I agree with him.

[OU-HSV]

Umm... just pointing out that Bob Stoops just said that he is in favor of a playoff too. I don't care for Pete Carroll but on this, I agree with him.

Umm... You're either missing the point or you haven't read all the posts on this thread. Bob wasn't whining, bitching, moaning, or coming across as a sore loser. Pete is. That's the point.

I think the majority of us on here are for a playoff. But we also know that if we lost to an unranked team, we wouldn't have much reason or room to bitch about the BCS.

As it sits now, we lost to a top team texass...and Bob would have more reason to gripe about the bcs at this point this season than Pete does. But Bob isn't like that, and I doubt he'd ever really get wrapped up into that kinda stuff mid/season.

[Collier11]

I think if Bob and other coaches would be more assertive about it, it might make a diff. Im not saying whine because your team lost but Bob basically acted like he was half joking the whole time. I wish they would all get a little more pissed off about how rediculous the BCS is

[Big D Sooner]

I get what you are saying, that the tone of the thread is "let's make fun of Pete Carroll for whining" but isn't that just the pot calling the kettle black (I hear a lot of bitching from fans and posters about the BCS vs playoffs).

Also, you may think about changing your name. HSV is the abbreviation for herpes simplex virus. Not making fun of you, just trying to help you out.


Umm... You're either missing the point or you haven't read all the posts on this thread. Bob wasn't whining, bitching, moaning, or coming across as a sore loser. Pete is. That's the point.

I think the majority of us on here are for a playoff. But we also know that if we lost to an unranked team, we wouldn't have much reason or room to bitch about the BCS.

As it sits now, we lost to a top team texass...and Bob would have more reason to gripe about the bcs at this point this season than Pete does. But Bob isn't like that, and I doubt he'd ever really get wrapped up into that kinda stuff mid/season.

[TMcGee86]

I find it hilarious that the two teams bitching about the BCS are from the two conferences that lead the fight against any type of playoff.

Hopefully this year bites PSU and USC in the ***.

[badger]

I know that USC would be favored in any line against a lot of Top 10 teams if they were to meet in a BCS bowl this January, but should we really take USC seriously when those that matter do not?

FACT: USC lost to an unranked Oregon State,a team which continues to be unranked.

FACT: The whiny attitude following the game leaves no mention of QB Mark Sanchez in Heisman short lists, not to mention injuries this season.

FACT: The best win USC had this year was over a two-loss Ohio State, who is not even in the top 10 anymore.

Through these FACTS, we can come to the OPINION that USC is living off reputation alone. While this would help USC in a system like the BCS, which thrives on opinion polls and computer rankings, a playoff system would expose him so quickly that the USC reputation would suffer.

The BCS rewards reputation and winning. The playoffs reward end-of-the-season play.

Which system is best? :confused:

[hink4769]

Not to get off base from all the Pete-bashing, but I just wanted to respond to something he said.

Pete said:
"What is the criteria of the process? Is it to pick the team that has the best season, that has the season that you like the most and feel best about voting for? Or is it the best team at the end of the year, the team that would win a playoff system if you did have it?" he said.

I'm in favor for a playoff, but only if it is limited to 4-8 teams. In my mind, a playoff should exist to sort of work as a tiebreaker to sort out the teams that can legitamatley say that they are the best team (based on their entire body of work) at the end of the season. I think a playoff should identify, as he said "The team that has the best season." In other words, the team that has been consistently the best. I honestly hate it when teams play above-average to good during the regular season then get hot and win championships, I just hate it. I hate the fact that the 2007 Giants and 2005 Steelers won Super Bowls with very flawed teams (They both finished 6th in their conference, 6th!). I hated it when the Cardinals won their World Series with a really mediocre team. Championships should be the culminations of great seasons. If I'm a fan, I want to look back and remember championship seasons for being great seasons from Day 1 to the day the championship is won (2000 OU for example). Honestly, I would like a playoff, but I think the current system is better than others. For example, if we goto 16 teams, that would bring in teams like Ohio State and Missouri who have absolutley no claim whatsoever to being the best team in the country.

[Collier11]

I hated it when the Cardinals won their World Series with a really mediocre team. Championships should be the culminations of great seasons. .

Completely off the subject but I am a Cards fan so I have to defend them, They did still win their division and battled a ton of injuries that year. They beat the two best teams to win the WS so it isnt like they didnt earn it :D

That is all!

To get to the main point though, more often than not, a deserving team will win a playoff as opposed to a team that just got hot unlike the BCS where you have a team who lost earlier in the yr than a more deserving team or played in a bad conf, or the computer just actually has no concept of what a better team is, etc... There appears to be no rational explanation as to who gets into the title game, atleast with a playoff if a Giants type team from last yr makes it, it is cus they ended the yr playing great and beat the best team to win the title

I have no doubt that if the BCS last yr was a playoff, LSU and OSU wouldnt have a shot at the title

[OU-HSV]

I get what you are saying, that the tone of the thread is "let's make fun of Pete Carroll for whining" but isn't that just the pot calling the kettle black (I hear a lot of bitching from fans and posters about the BCS vs playoffs).

Also, you may think about changing your name. HSV is the abbreviation for herpes simplex virus. Not making fun of you, just trying to help you out.

Well, as far as I'm concerned, I've already stated my opinion on this...so I'm not considered the pot calling the kettle black. Pete is whining, he ought to face the fact that he lost to a below average team, and he can hope he coaches better next year so they'll have a better shot at the BCS Champ. game. They're lucky to be ranked as high as they are right now.

As far as my name changing on here, aint gonna happen....I should've gone with something else initially, wasn't even thinking about herpes, haha.
It stands for Hot Springs Village (Arkansas), I temporarily lived there when I started posting on this board. My venture in Arkansas didn't last long....I'm an Okie for life :)

[OU-HSV]

.....
I have no doubt that if the BCS last yr was a playoff, LSU and OSU wouldnt have a shot at the title

Agreed

[Since71ASooner4Life]

If Bob Stoops, Sabin, or a host of others would have had the 5-star and 4-star recruits that ole dumbass has had over the last 4 years no one would come within 50 points every game. I'm sorry, but Pete Carroll couldn't out coach a kindergardener. Just my not so humble opinion on this one.