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Big Red Ron
11/3/2008, 12:30 PM
Since a majority of undecided voters are breaking toward McCain, I see the most likely scenario to be; Obama wins the popular vote and losses a close electoral college vote.

This will be closer than Bush v. Gore in 2000 (BTW - the last time we won a national championship in football was the last time the Republican lost the popular vote but won the electoral college).

McCain gets 271 electoral votes with surprise wins in CO and MN, also winning toss up states FL, MT, ND, OH, IN and NC.

If that scenario plays out McCain gets 271 and wins the closest election in history.

This is not wishful thinking either. This is a very likely scenario.

If I'm wrong, I'll be more than happy to eat my crow.

Obama has outspent McCain 4-1, which is HUGE when we're talking about hundreds of millions of dollars.

sooner n houston
11/3/2008, 12:35 PM
You may be correct. I have had two co-workers today tell me they voted last week. Both are Dem's. Both said they went in with every intention of voting of the "O", but once inside they could not do it. How many million times will this be played out tomorrow?

85Sooner
11/3/2008, 12:36 PM
Since a majority of undecided voters are breaking toward McCain, I see the most likely scenario to be; Obama wins the popular vote and losses a close electoral college vote.

This will be closer than Bush v. Gore in 2000 (BTW - the last time we won a national championship in football was the last time the Republican lost the popular vote but won the electoral college).

McCain gets 271 electoral votes with surprise wins in CO and MN, also winning toss up states FL, MT, ND, OH, IN and NC.

If that scenario plays out McCain gets 271 and wins the closest election in history.

This is not wishful thinking either. This is a very likely scenario.

If I'm wrong, I'll be more than happy to eat my crow.

Obama has outspent McCain 4-1, which is HUGE when we're talking about hundreds of millions of dollars (that cannot be accounted for when it comes to identifying the donors) .


Fixed and if that happens everyone better be armed.

tommieharris91
11/3/2008, 12:38 PM
Since a majority of undecided voters are breaking toward McCain,

I stopped reading here.

Big Red Ron
11/3/2008, 12:39 PM
You may be correct. I have had two co-workers today tell me they voted last week. Both are Dem's. Both said they went in with every intention of voting of the "O", but once inside they could not do it. How many million times will this be played out tomorrow?More than can be quantified by pollsters.

I spoke with McCain's pollster on Friday, he had a sincere air of confidence which surprised me.

My Opinion Matters
11/3/2008, 12:39 PM
I predict the Playmate of the Year will deliver me a trunk full of a cash in a Corvette.

Big Red Ron
11/3/2008, 12:40 PM
I predict the Playmate of the Year will deliver me a trunk full of a cash in a Corvette.So, you work for Hef or what? Sounds more like a dream than a prediction on your part.

picasso
11/3/2008, 12:41 PM
Obama wins big. Has the country in the crapper in 2 years. the media finally questions him.

film at eleven.

My Opinion Matters
11/3/2008, 12:43 PM
So, you work for Hef or what? Sounds more like a dream than a prediction on your part.

What? I thought this was the FantasyLand prediction thread.

soonervegas
11/3/2008, 12:44 PM
Worst case scenario.

I don't want a tight loss by Dems. This country will be at each other's throats.

JohnnyMack
11/3/2008, 12:52 PM
I for one am shocked, shocked I say, at your prediction. I would have never expected it.

jage
11/3/2008, 12:55 PM
You're right!

....


That IS a bold prediction. :D

soonerscuba
11/3/2008, 12:59 PM
Bold is one word for calling MN for McCain. He is down by at least 8 in every poll I've seen but one and the state hasn't voted for a Republican since '72.

JohnnyMack
11/3/2008, 01:00 PM
Hey Ron, I know you're like way smarter than the rest of us in terms of all this stuff, but Bush had like a one or two point lead at this point in 2004 and he went on to win by 3 points. I see Obama's average lead at about 6 or 7 points today. So can you explain why you think this massive shift will take place?

Big Red Ron
11/3/2008, 01:00 PM
What? I thought this was the FantasyLand prediction thread.Why don't you go try and thread jack someone else's thread. This is a serious discussion. Now, let the grown ups chat and go back to the kiddie table.

Echoes
11/3/2008, 01:02 PM
Yeah man, I see MN as a stretch for sure. It could still happen (your scenario) but i can't see it happening with MN.

Frozen Sooner
11/3/2008, 01:03 PM
Hey Ron, I know you're like way smarter than the rest of us in terms of all this stuff, but Bush had like a one or two point lead at this point in 2004 and he went on to win by 3 points. I see Obama's average lead at about 6 or 7 points today. So can you explain why you think this massive shift will take place?

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Big Red Ron
11/3/2008, 01:06 PM
Hey Ron, I know you're like way smarter than the rest of us in terms of all this stuff, but Bush had like a one or two point lead at this point in 2004 and he went on to win by 3 points. I see Obama's average lead at about 6 or 7 points today. So can you explain why you think this massive shift will take place?I've never said I'm smarter than anyone (although there are clearly stupid people here). I am a pollster/market researcher and do quite a bit of political work every other year. That said, Rasmussen has it much closer than 5 or 6.

Also, remember all these national polls have around a 4% margin of error; meaning there could be up to an 8% swing based on the MOE.

It's really not a massive swing at all when you consider the MOE and look at the electoral college.

Big Red Ron
11/3/2008, 01:10 PM
Bold is one word for calling MN for McCain. He is down by at least 8 in every poll I've seen but one and the state hasn't voted for a Republican since '72.True but this is a very different election. I would also not be suprised if PA went for McCain.

tommieharris91
11/3/2008, 01:11 PM
--> Don't worry too much about that SurveyUSA result in Minnesota, which shows Obama just 3 points ahead. SurveyUSA's polling in Minnesota has been very, very weird all year; they've never shown Obama with larger than a 6 point lead in their likely voter model, and had McCain ahead in the state as recently as October 1st. SurveyUSA does not have a Republican lean in general, but in Minnesota, it has consistently had a huge one.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/11/todays-polls-3-am-edition-113.html

Also according to that site, every poll for the past 2 weeks has Obama well ahead in PA, most outside of the MOE.

JohnnyMack
11/3/2008, 01:13 PM
I've never said I'm smarter than anyone (although there are clearly stupid people here). I am a pollster/market researcher and do quite a bit of political work every other year. That said, Rasmussen has it much closer than 5 or 6.

Also, remember all these national polls have around a 4% margin of error; meaning there could be up to an 8% swing based on the MOE.

It's really not a massive swing at all when you consider the MOE and look at the electoral college.

Rasmussen has Obama +6 with a 2% MOE. Just so we're clear.

Frozen Sooner
11/3/2008, 01:18 PM
Shush, JM.

6 is much closer than 5 or 6. It's doubleplusgood!

My Opinion Matters
11/3/2008, 01:20 PM
Why don't you go try and thread jack someone else's thread. This is a serious discussion. Now, let the grown ups chat and go back to the kiddie table.

Get back with me Wednesday morning, you'll see your prediction is about as likely as mine. Before you get all "ZOMG YOU'RE ONE OF THOSE DIRTY LIBZ!" on me, let me stop you preemptively. I don't care who wins, I just operate in reality.

Frozen Sooner
11/3/2008, 01:22 PM
Also worth mentioning:

RCP's average now shows Obama attracting 51.7% of likely voters.

Only one polling firm shows Obama getting fewer than 50% of voters.

Now, obviously, the electoral map is a different beast than the total popular vote, so take that with a grain of salt. However, all of the polling firms show Obama with solid leads in several states that Bush won and solid-to-insurmountable leads in all states Kerry won.

Ron, unless you're about to admit that people in your profession don't have a good goddamn clue about what they're doing, that's a pretty strong indicator.

Big Red Ron
11/3/2008, 01:31 PM
Rasmussen has Obama +6 with a 2% MOE. Just so we're clear.
I said, Obama will win the popular vote. I just believe by looking at the numbers in the swing states that McCain has a much better chance at winning than most people in the media give him.

Also, polls don't reflect the affect race has on elections. It wouldn’t be the first time that polls have overstated support for an African-American candidate. Since 1982, people have talked about the Bradley effect, where even last-minute polls predict a wide margin of victory, yet the black candidate goes on to lose, or win in a squeaker. (In the case that lent the phenomenon its name, Tom Bradley, the mayor of Los Angeles, lost his race for governor, the assumption being that voters lied to pollsters about their support for an African-American.)

JohnnyMack
11/3/2008, 01:35 PM
I said, Obama will win the popular vote. I just believe by looking at the numbers in the swing states that McCain has a much better chance at winning than most people in the media give him.

Also, polls don't reflect the affect race has on elections. It wouldn’t be the first time that polls have overstated support for an African-American candidate. Since 1982, people have talked about the Bradley effect, where even last-minute polls predict a wide margin of victory, yet the black candidate goes on to lose, or win in a squeaker. (In the case that lent the phenomenon its name, Tom Bradley, the mayor of Los Angeles, lost his race for governor, the assumption being that voters lied to pollsters about their support for an African-American.)

On Meet The Press yesterday they had a pollster on (I forget who) who said the Bradley Effect is not evident in this election and that based on the way undecideds were answering questions he actually predicted a 1 to 2% reverse Bradley Effect.

lexsooner
11/3/2008, 01:35 PM
Ron has been claiming "It's a dead heat!" for months, irrespective of the poll numbers and margins of error. You gotta puff the poll numbers in your favor and the MOE a bit, factor in stuff like the closet racist Democrats and lazy bum young first time voters who don't turn out, and it's a DEAD HEAT!!!!!! Now if this doesn't work, then it becomes "The polls reflect liberal bias and are meaningless." But if the polls then show closer numbers, "It's a dead heat!!!!/ The race is narrowing!!!!!"

Then, after Obama wins, it will be "Boy is this country going to be sorry!" "ACORN cheaters!" "We are living in a Socialist country!" And those will be the nicer comments.

Big Red Ron
11/3/2008, 01:36 PM
Get back with me Wednesday morning, you'll see your prediction is about as likely as mine. Before you get all "ZOMG YOU'RE ONE OF THOSE DIRTY LIBZ!" on me, let me stop you preemptively. I don't care who wins, I just operate in reality.
I would say you simply opperate antithetically to your user name. Beat it loser.

Big Red Ron
11/3/2008, 01:41 PM
On Meet The Press yesterday they had a pollster on (I forget who) who said the Bradley Effect is not evident in this election and that based on the way undecideds were answering questions he actually predicted a 1 to 2% reverse Bradley Effect.
He could be right but the Bradly effect was clearly evident in the Democratic Primary. In 11 primaries Obama's results as opposed to his polling numbers were' on an average 7.9% off. Look at how his double digit leads turned into Clinton wins or narrow Obama victories.

If anyone says that they know for sure that the Bradly effect isn't in play during the first election with an African American on the ballot isn't being honest with the viewers.

Big Red Ron
11/3/2008, 01:42 PM
Ron has been claiming "It's a dead heat!" for months.Thanks, it is nice to be correct all this time.

Fraggle145
11/3/2008, 01:48 PM
I said, Obama will win the popular vote. I just believe by looking at the numbers in the swing states that McCain has a much better chance at winning than most people in the media give him.


I think if another Democrat wins the popular vote, but loses the election to the electoral college, it will be bad for the country. If that does happen I hope that people will be able to keep it together without the stupids going into a riotous rage. Also if that happens I would hope that the electoral college would not have much of a future.

Big Red Ron
11/3/2008, 01:56 PM
I think if another Democrat wins the popular vote, but loses the election to the electoral college, it will be bad for the country. If that does happen I hope that people will be able to keep it together without the stupids going into a riotous rage. Also if that happens I would hope that the electoral college would not have much of a future.
The Electoral College will be darn near impossible to get rid of. I think it would take super majorities in both House and Senate, the president's signature and ratified by 35 states, if I remember correctly.

See, the electoral college is pure genius. It was put in place to protect our republic, not democracy. If we were a democracy, well then you'd have a popular vote.

Since we have 50 states, it's important for there to be some type of protection from the tyranny of the majority.

If not for the Electoral college, NY, CA and FL would decide all national elections. It simply wouldn't be right to go to a straight popular vote. You would see states secede from the union if that were to happen (which I believe we're about 20 years from anyway).

My Opinion Matters
11/3/2008, 01:58 PM
I would say you simply opperate antithetically to your user name. Beat it loser.

Save your grandiose internet posturing for LAS. I'm not going to be baited into one of your pathetic LAS/BRR/SB68 internet pissing contests. See you Wednesday morning.

The Maestro
11/3/2008, 02:12 PM
Worst case scenario.

I don't want a tight loss by Dems. This country will be at each other's throats.

Are you kidding? This will be great television...I wanna see Bill Maher and Michael Moore bawling...I want to see Hollywood folks that think we care who they support up in arms. It bothers me when folks from EITHER side talk about "moving to Canada" and all that crap...but Dems have a history of being more emotional about it.

Besides, upsets are more fun and then I can chant "OVER-RATED!!!" (clap, clap, clap, clap, clap!) at the Dems I know!

SoonerBorn68
11/3/2008, 02:17 PM
I think if another Democrat wins the popular vote, but loses the election to the electoral college, it will be bad for the country. If that does happen I hope that people will be able to keep it together without the stupids going into a riotous rage. Also if that happens I would hope that the electoral college would not have much of a future.

How is this bad? It's EXACTLY how the Founding Fathers set it up. You know, that balance of power thing--big states vs. small states--two houses of Congress.

Fraggle145
11/3/2008, 02:30 PM
How is this bad? It's EXACTLY how the Founding Fathers set it up. You know, that balance of power thing--big states vs. small states--two houses of Congress.

As far as losing the popular and winning the electoral goes. I'm worried about stupid people on both sides doing stupid **** and it further dividing the country that cant work together as it is. I mean there is all sorts of hate and petty **** going back and forth from both sides.

Originally the electoral college was sort of set up to nominate candidates for the legislature to elect. It was changed by the 12th amendment. At least from what I remember about it when I looked into it a few years ago.

Regardless, I think the electoral college is out of date. I think this 1) because the popular vote in the many of the recent elections has been fairly close, and 2) If you are stuck in a red or blue state and are of the opposite persuasion, well your vote doesnt count for anything, IMO.

Big Red Ron
11/3/2008, 02:42 PM
Save your grandiose internet posturing for LAS. I'm not going to be baited into one of your pathetic LAS/BRR/SB68 internet pissing contests. See you Wednesday morning.Dude, this is my thread and you came in and tried to hijack it. We're trying to have a civil discussion about a serious topic here kid. Either add something of some intellect or go away.

Big Red Ron
11/3/2008, 02:47 PM
As far as losing the popular and winning the electoral goes. I'm worried about stupid people on both sides doing stupid **** and it further dividing the country that cant work together as it is. I mean there is all sorts of hate and petty **** going back and forth from both sides.

Originally the electoral college was sort of set up to nominate candidates for the legislature to elect. It was changed by the 12th amendment. At least from what I remember about it when I looked into it a few years ago.

Regardless, I think the electoral college is out of date. I think this 1) because the popular vote in the many of the recent elections has been fairly close, and 2) If you are stuck in a red or blue state and are of the opposite persuasion, well your vote doesn't count for anything, IMO.The loser of the popular vote has lost the electoral college twice in our entire history. It was specifically put in place to protect the rights of smaller states. There wouldn't be a United States of America without it, as 6 (if memory serves) of the 13 original states wouldn't have joined a Union that would have allowed for a popular vote only.

It's neither bad, nor outdated.

Fraggle145
11/3/2008, 02:59 PM
The loser of the popular vote has lost the electoral college twice in our entire history. It was specifically put in place to protect the rights of smaller states. There wouldn't be a United States of America without it, as 6 (if memory serves) of the 13 original states wouldn't have joined a Union that would have allowed for a popular vote only.

It's neither bad, nor outdated.

I'm not disagreeing about the reason it was put in, all I was saying was that it isnt in its original form and has been changed before from the "founding fathers" original perspective.

I think it is outdated as per my two points above. Basically my vote for Obama in Oklahoma means nothing because everyone knows that Oklahoma is going to go red :( . I think the only state that doesnt do this for the entire state and splits its electoral votes by district is Nebraska. I'd much rather see something like that here.

Frozen Sooner
11/3/2008, 03:03 PM
I'm not disagreeing about the reason it was put in, all I was saying was that it isnt in its original form and has been changed before from the "founding fathers" original perspective.

I think it is outdated as per my two points above. Basically my vote for Obama in Oklahoma means nothing because everyone knows that Oklahoma is going to go red :( . I think the only state that doesnt do this for the entire state and splits its electoral votes by district is Nebraska. I'd much rather see something like that here.

Maine does this as well.

SoonerStormchaser
11/3/2008, 03:08 PM
I wish I shared in my fellow Repubs' optimism...but I think McCain and the Repubs are going to get their asses handed to them.

And yes, I greatly fear for my career with an Obama presidency with a Dem supermajority.

Oldnslo
11/3/2008, 03:11 PM
Lemme get this straight. d00d 1 says, "here's a prediction". Then, instead of other making predictions, too, d00d B says, "U R A 2ool". And then we don't have any more predictions.

I'll go with the corvette, cash, and cooter prediction.

sooner_born_1960
11/3/2008, 03:16 PM
Ron, I don't share your optimism, but hope you're right.

sooneron
11/3/2008, 03:17 PM
True but this is a very different election. I would also not be suprised if PA went for McCain.

They do call PA, Alabama sandwiched between Pittsburgh and Philly. Not a lot of people would be surprised.

sooneron
11/3/2008, 03:20 PM
Lemme get this straight. d00d 1 says, "here's a prediction". Then, instead of other making predictions, too, d00d B says, "U R A 2ool". And then we don't have any more predictions.

I'll go with the corvette, cash, and cooter prediction.

you lost me at dOOd a. :mack:

Frozen Sooner
11/3/2008, 03:21 PM
They do call PA, Alabama sandwiched between Pittsburgh and Philly. Not a lot of people would be surprised.

I think the pollsters who have Obama anywhere from +6 to +12 in PA would be mildly surprised. :D

sooner_born_1960
11/3/2008, 03:23 PM
He lost me at doody.
http://assets.espn.go.com/i/magazine/new/caddyshack_doody.jpg

sooneron
11/3/2008, 03:26 PM
I think the pollsters who have Obama anywhere from +6 to +12 in PA would be mildly surprised. :D

Are they in Philly or Pitt? :D

JLEW1818
11/3/2008, 03:33 PM
Since a majority of undecided voters are breaking toward McCain, I see the most likely scenario to be; Obama wins the popular vote and losses a close electoral college vote.

This will be closer than Bush v. Gore in 2000 (BTW - the last time we won a national championship in football was the last time the Republican lost the popular vote but won the electoral college).

McCain gets 271 electoral votes with surprise wins in CO and MN, also winning toss up states FL, MT, ND, OH, IN and NC.

If that scenario plays out McCain gets 271 and wins the closest election in history.

This is not wishful thinking either. This is a very likely scenario.

If I'm wrong, I'll be more than happy to eat my crow.

Obama has outspent McCain 4-1, which is HUGE when we're talking about hundreds of millions of dollars.



god i hope your right

Big Red Ron
11/3/2008, 03:42 PM
lol, I swear, some of you noobs just bother the heck out of me. I post a PREDICTION, add some evidence to support my opinion and some yahoo with the dumbest user name I've seen in the 11 years I been posting on here starts neggin me. Two can play that game and I will. I hope you like red.



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Guess what, your opinion doesn't matter.

My Opinion Matters
11/3/2008, 03:52 PM
lol, I swear, some of you noobs just bother the heck out of me. I post a PREDICTION, add some evidence to support my opinion and some yahoo with the dumbest user name I've seen in the 11 years I been posting on here starts neggin me. Two can play that game and I will. I hope you like red.



Guess what, your opinion doesn't matter.

Just to be clear. After a year of mostly positive experience, in which I had decided to become an Elite Sponsor, I started the Hollis Board, I had a 46,000 spek rating based on real spek not betting over two season and 1500 posts, in the last four weeks I can see this board is a place I don't want to be or patronize. There are two other boards which I believe have at least equivalent football knowledge without the abusive environment. I am taking my business elsewhere.

John W. Helander
President & CEO
GrayBox Services Ltd. &
eState Auction House Ltd.

JohnnyMack
11/3/2008, 03:54 PM
I'll offer no bold predictions on tomorrows outcome save one.

If Obama wins any of these early it's over: FL, GA, NC or VA.

My Opinion Matters
11/3/2008, 03:54 PM
Calling someone who's posted here for 4 years a noob is questionable, but hey, don't let that get in the way of another one of your trademark meltdowns.

tommieharris91
11/3/2008, 03:55 PM
I'll offer no bold predictions on tomorrows outcome save one.

If Obama wins any of these early it's over: FL, GA, NC or VA.

Throw in Colorado as well.

Frozen Sooner
11/3/2008, 03:55 PM
Lemme get this straight. d00d 1 says, "here's a prediction". Then, instead of other making predictions, too, d00d B says, "U R A 2ool". And then we don't have any more predictions.

I'll go with the corvette, cash, and cooter prediction.

I posted a great Disney song. I should get some credit for that.

oumartin
11/3/2008, 03:56 PM
How long until Biden is POTUS?

Frozen Sooner
11/3/2008, 03:57 PM
Here's my prediction:

Obama wins 300+ electoral votes.

Big Red Ron
11/3/2008, 04:00 PM
Just to be clear. After a year of mostly positive experience, in which I had decided to become an Elite Sponsor, I started the Hollis Board, I had a 46,000 spek rating based on real spek not betting over two season and 1500 posts, in the last four weeks I can see this board is a place I don't want to be or patronize. There are two other boards which I believe have at least equivalent football knowledge without the abusive environment. I am taking my business elsewhere.

John W. Helander
President & CEO
GrayBox Services Ltd. &
eState Auction House Ltd.
:rolleyes:

We've all heard this before. I too have been an elite sponsor and have never bet spek points to get my 11 million.

Here's an idea, don't be an azz and everything will be fine. You could just add me to your ignore list "Mr. on line businessman."

You came to my thread, which was intended to spur a conversation about the most expensive, over hyped election in my life and started acting like a dill hole. See ya!

Big Red Ron
11/3/2008, 04:01 PM
How long until Biden is POTUS?Oh no you di-ent!

You really think some nut job will shoot Obama?

My Opinion Matters
11/3/2008, 04:01 PM
:rolleyes:

We've all heard this before. I too have been an elite sponsor and have never bet spek points to get my 11 million.

Here's an idea, don't be an azz and everything will be fine. You could just add me to your ignore list "Mr. on line businessman."

You came to my thread, which was intended to spur a conversation about the most expensive, over hyped election in my life and started acting like a dill hole. See ya!

You've been here 11 years and you don't know the inside jokes?

Noob.

Big Red Ron
11/3/2008, 04:02 PM
Here's my prediction:

Obama wins 300+ electoral votes.
Care to make a wager on that?

JohnnyMack
11/3/2008, 04:02 PM
Throw in Colorado as well.

Yeah but that poll doesn't close until later in the evening. I'm saying that if Obama cracks one of those southern states early you may as well watch porn or something else more interesting.

Howzit
11/3/2008, 04:03 PM
I think Bob Barr is going to sneak in under the radar.

My Opinion Matters
11/3/2008, 04:05 PM
I think Bob Barr is going to sneak in under the radar.

:les: Stop hijacking Ron's thread!

Big Red Ron
11/3/2008, 04:09 PM
Yeah but that poll doesn't close until later in the evening. I'm saying that if Obama cracks one of those southern states early you may as well watch porn or something else more interesting.You are correct sir. Colorado means nothing if Obama loses either FL, PA or OH.

tommieharris91
11/3/2008, 04:10 PM
I think Bob Barr is going to sneak in under the radar.

I expect him to win FL, TX, CA, and NY.

Big Red Ron
11/3/2008, 04:12 PM
If McCain gets in there... how long till he croaks? :eek: That is one of my biggest concerns.

Seriously, I also worry that he McCain may be attacked, by terr'ists to make us weaker with a Palin presidency.

And I think some whacko will try to kill Obama, unfortunately.I think Joe Biden made the most worrisome point about a week ago, when he said if Obama is elected that America can expect to be attacked by someone (nation or terrorist group) to test his mettle.

JohnnyMack
11/3/2008, 04:12 PM
You are correct sir. Colorado means nothing if Obama loses either FL, PA or OH.

True, but FL & OH aren't nearly as important as they were in 2004. If BHO wins PA (which is beyond the margin of error in just about every poll you see) AND one of those southern states it's over. Period.

Big Red Ron
11/3/2008, 04:13 PM
I expect him to win FL, TX, CA, and NY.
Speaking of such; does Nader hurt Obama worse than Barr hurt McCain?

1890MilesToNorman
11/3/2008, 04:15 PM
I predict the Playmate of the Year will deliver me a trunk full of a cash in a Corvette.

Look at her closely, it may be Ed McMahon in drag? :P

Kels
11/3/2008, 04:16 PM
I think Obama wins with over 300 EV, and a subsequent supermajority trifecta.

It is strange that over the last 4-5 days several media outlets have stated that McCain has a chance. Anything could happen, I guess, but I just don't see it.

BTW, in case you're wondering if I have an axe to grind in this thread. In my former life I've been employed by both the Democratic (county level) and Republican (state level) parties.

I roll as a Christian Libertarian nowadays.

Big Red Ron
11/3/2008, 04:16 PM
True, but FL & OH aren't nearly as important as they were in 2004. If BHO wins PA (which is beyond the margin of error in just about every poll you see) AND one of those southern states it's over. Period.That's certainly a good point but historically, when the media starts reporting that info, it weakens turnout in states east of the mississippi.

I'm telling you, it's been/is a close election.

tommieharris91
11/3/2008, 04:17 PM
Speaking of such; does Nader hurt Obama worse than Barr hurt McCain?

fivethirtyeight.com sees about 2% of the vote going to 3rd part candidates. I don't think it will play too much.

JohnnyMack
11/3/2008, 04:17 PM
That's certainly a good point but historically, when the media starts reporting that info, it weakens turnout in states east of the mississippi.

I'm telling you, it's been/is a close election.

I've said all along we live in a 52/48 or a 51/49 country.

JohnnyMack
11/3/2008, 04:23 PM
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-11-02-nc-vote_N.htm

KC//CRIMSON
11/3/2008, 04:26 PM
I've said all along we live in a 52/48 or a 51/49 country.


Forget all this crap. What's the first song Obama cranks in the White House?


I'll go with - Mama Said Knock You Out!

stoopified
11/3/2008, 04:31 PM
I predict the Playmate of the Year will deliver me a trunk full of a cash in a Corvette.In that case YOU are my BEST FRIEND IN THE WORLD.What time is the party and how many Playmates are coming?Hell I'd settle for non-Playmate wannabes.

Gandalf_The_Grey
11/3/2008, 04:37 PM
I boldly predict that the American people lose regardless of who wins ;)

Fraggle145
11/3/2008, 04:42 PM
I think Joe Biden made the most worrisome point about a week ago, when he said if Obama is elected that America can expect to be attacked by someone (nation or terrorist group) to test his mettle.

I think whoever wins is going to get tested. It only makes sense, test the new guy. After an election is probably some of the weakest times for our country, no matter who is charge due to all of the turnover. :O

Frozen Sooner
11/3/2008, 05:07 PM
Care to make a wager on that?

Sure. I'm right and I get to celebrate. You're right and you get to celebrate.

Big Red Ron
11/3/2008, 05:07 PM
I think whoever wins is going to get tested. It only makes sense, test the new guy. After an election is probably some of the weakest times for our country, no matter who is charge due to all of the turnover. :O
Maybe but I sure as sh!t would rather have a military man/foreign policy expert as Commander in Chief than some dude that's winging it (see Bush, Colin Powell, Condoleeza Rice, et al) after 911.

Big Red Ron
11/3/2008, 05:09 PM
Sure. I'm right and I get to celebrate. You're right and you get to celebrate.Awe, c'mon. What if Obama gets 300 I'll use an Obama Avatar for 2 weeks and if he doesn't you get to have a McCain avie. :D

Frozen Sooner
11/3/2008, 05:11 PM
Awe, c'mon. What if Obama gets 300 I'll use an Obama Avatar for 2 weeks and if he doesn't you get to have a McCain avie. :D

Let's up the stakes.

Obama gets 300, you wear an Obama avatar for two weeks.
McCain gets 270, I wear a Palin avatar for a month.

I actually kind of like John.

Big Red Ron
11/3/2008, 05:15 PM
:les: Stop hijacking Ron's thread!
See Bob Barr's on the ballot it's relevant to the conversation. Barr is actuallt going to impact this race in some states. Sorta like Nadar did with his 2% in 2000.

Big Red Ron
11/3/2008, 05:17 PM
Let's up the stakes.

Obama gets 300, you wear an Obama avatar for two weeks.
McCain gets 270, I wear a Palin avatar for a month.

I actually kind of like John.Hey now, you're moving the line. I was getting 30 points with your 300 claim.

You said Obama gets 300+. You duckin it man?

Frozen Sooner
11/3/2008, 05:46 PM
Not at all. We just consider anything between 270 and 300 a push.

Okla-homey
11/3/2008, 05:56 PM
Hey Ron, I know you're like way smarter than the rest of us in terms of all this stuff, but Bush had like a one or two point lead at this point in 2004 and he went on to win by 3 points. I see Obama's average lead at about 6 or 7 points today. So can you explain why you think this massive shift will take place?

Large numbers of undecideds. Double digit undecideds in fact in key states. And you know what? You can bet those undecideds are white. Whether we choose to admit it or not, race is a big factor in this race, and if JSM pulls it off, it will be in some measure the effect of race.

That, and BHO is a socialist.;)

Okla-homey
11/3/2008, 05:58 PM
You are correct sir. Colorado means nothing if Obama loses either FL, PA or OH.

and declaring he intends to "bankrupt" the coal industry doesn't win friends in PA or OH.

The Maestro
11/3/2008, 06:00 PM
http://mail2.someecards.com/filestorage/soto_71.jpg

JohnnyMack
11/3/2008, 06:05 PM
and declaring he intends to "bankrupt" the coal industry doesn't win friends in PA or OH.

Homey chimes in with more Drudge puke.

Okla-homey
11/3/2008, 06:06 PM
Homey chimes in with more Drudge puke.


naw, I heard the tape on the radio today. Are you denying he said it? or that he meant it?

Big Red Ron
11/3/2008, 06:10 PM
Homey chimes in with more Drudge puke.
He did say that, it was even on NPR today.

JohnnyMack
11/3/2008, 06:12 PM
naw, I heard the tape on the radio today. Are you denying he said it? or that he meant it?


"So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; it's just that it will bankrupt them because they're going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that's being emitted,"

You're taking it out of context. You're gonna make a fine lawyer after all.

Too bad the coal unions noticed the same thing and came out and publicly derided McCain for using this.

You're better than this.

JohnnyMack
11/3/2008, 06:12 PM
Think beyond soundbytes.

Thanks.

Big Red Ron
11/3/2008, 06:13 PM
Large numbers of undecideds. Double digit undecideds in fact in key states. And you know what? You can bet those undecideds are white. Whether we choose to admit it or not, race is a big factor in this race, and if JSM pulls it off, it will be in some measure the effect of race.

That, and BHO is a socialist.;)
I feel ya and agree.

I must ask, why is it not racist for blacks to vote for Obama because he's half black but white people who would rather have a white POTUS are racist. In other words, black people would rather have a black POTUS but that's not racist?

Anyway, you're right from the polls I've seen Undecided voters from all races(cept black fol), creed (cept Muslims) and gender are breaking toward McCain. Which is why I started this thread.

Okla-homey
11/3/2008, 06:27 PM
I feel ya and agree.

I must ask, why is it not racist for blacks to vote for Obama because he's half black but white people who would rather have a white POTUS are racist. In other words, black people would rather have a black POTUS but that's not racist?

Anyway, you're right from the polls I've seen Undecided voters from all races(cept black fol), creed (cept Muslims) and gender are breaking toward McCain. Which is why I started this thread.


In a nutshell, my experience Saturday was remarkably illustrative of the phenomenon that is BHO.

To wit, I was enjoying a tasty beverage and approached a black gentleman at our tailgate to see if he wanted to buy a chance in the raffle. He spied my JSM button, recoiled in horror, and pointed to his bare forearm to say, d00d, I'm black! Get that crap outta here! There were witnesses.

Now, he may have recoiled in horror because I'm ugly, but his reaction was more indicative of the fact that he couldn't believe some cracka had the sand to approach him while wearing a JSM button. My sense was I may as well have been wearing a KKK hood.

I only share that story because in this Brave New World we all live in, that's not considered a racist reaction or a racist mindset. But a white person who supports and intends to vote for JSM somehow is displaying a racist attitude. Brother, are we ever in for it tomorrow, and in the coming weeks, no matter how this turns out.

oumartin
11/3/2008, 06:30 PM
Do I have to take off my hood when I vote?

Okla-homey
11/3/2008, 06:33 PM
Think beyond soundbytes.

Thanks.

So, you're suggesting I should "think" about the fact he predicted the death of a major industry. For goshsakes man, we're the Saudi Arabia of coal. I respectfully suggest you stop trying to spin the man's statement. He said the coal industry is kaput under his administration. Words matter. No matter where we hear them, if they are in fact attributable to the speaker.

Okla-homey
11/3/2008, 06:34 PM
Too bad the coal unions noticed the same thing and came out and publicly derided McCain for using this.



YGBSM. srsly. That's like rats "publicly deriding" cats. Perfectly predictable. They just want their danged old EFCA, and know they need a BHO WH to get it.

picasso
11/3/2008, 06:36 PM
please stop quoting John Mack, it leaves the ignore status useless.

sound bites? that's about all you have to go on when you have no other public record and won't agree to show your real self.

Okla-homey
11/3/2008, 06:37 PM
please stop quoting John Mack, it leaves the ignore status useless.

sound bites? that's about all you have to go on when you have no other public record and won't agree to show your real self.

werd.

Okla-homey
11/3/2008, 06:41 PM
Do I have to take off my hood when I vote?

only at the minority of polling places that require some form of picture ID to vote.

Frozen Sooner
11/3/2008, 06:49 PM
So, Homey, Ron, what do you think about the fact that McCain has the exact same position on clean coal as Obama and also supports cap-and-trade?

Or that Ohio's Republican Senator once said on the Senate floor that McCain's policies on clean coal would bankrupt the coal industry.

Anything?

Crickets?

Okla-homey
11/3/2008, 07:00 PM
So, Homey, Ron, what do you think about the fact that McCain has the exact same position on clean coal as Obama and also supports cap-and-trade?

Or that Ohio's Republican Senator once said on the Senate floor that McCain's policies on clean coal would bankrupt the coal industry.

Anything?

Crickets?

An "Ohio senator" saying JSM's policies would bankrupt the coal industry is not the same thing as the candidate himself saying, as BHO did, that he intends to bankrupt the coal industry. And you know it.

Frozen Sooner
11/3/2008, 07:04 PM
Again, what do you say to McCain holding the exact same position as Obama on this issue?

Okla-homey
11/3/2008, 07:07 PM
Again, what do you say to McCain holding the exact same position as Obama on this issue?

I heard BHO say he intended to bankrupt the coal industry. I've not heard JSM say anything like that. Certainly, JSM favors leveraging nuke heavily. I happen to believe that should be the future for domestic electricity production -- yes, dare I say it, just like France. That said, I don't think JSM opposes coal on principle like BHO does.

tommieharris91
11/3/2008, 07:22 PM
Meh, according to both candidates, there will be no more coal industry. It's doomed guys. There are much better ways to solve the energy problem than with coal.

Sooner_Havok
11/3/2008, 08:44 PM
naw, I heard the tape on the radio today. Are you denying he said it? or that he meant it?


He did say that, it was even on NPR today.

The whole thing. (http://cdn.sfgate.com/blogs/sounds/sfgate/chroncast/2008/01/17/20080117-obama-interview.mp3)

Sooner_Havok
11/3/2008, 08:47 PM
I heard BHO say he intended to bankrupt the coal industry. I've not heard JSM say anything like that. Certainly, JSM favors leveraging nuke heavily. I happen to believe that should be the future for domestic electricity production -- yes, dare I say it, just like France. That said, I don't think JSM opposes coal on principle like BHO does.

Listen to his whole comment on coal. It is just over halfway through the thing.

Curly Bill
11/3/2008, 09:00 PM
The Electoral College will be darn near impossible to get rid of. I think it would take super majorities in both House and Senate, the president's signature and ratified by 35 states, if I remember correctly.

See, the electoral college is pure genius. It was put in place to protect our republic, not democracy. If we were a democracy, well then you'd have a popular vote.

Since we have 50 states, it's important for there to be some type of protection from the tyranny of the majority.

If not for the Electoral college, NY, CA and FL would decide all national elections. It simply wouldn't be right to go to a straight popular vote. You would see states secede from the union if that were to happen (which I believe we're about 20 years from anyway).

37.5 is I believe the proper number of states needed...

...and the electoral college is not going anywhere.

sooneron
11/3/2008, 09:35 PM
Maybe but I sure as sh!t would rather have a military man/foreign policy expert as Commander in Chief than some dude that's winging it (see Bush, Colin Powell, Condoleeza Rice, et al) after 911.

This sorta confuses me. Are you really saying that GWB was a big military man? The only one in that group with an iota of middle east knowledge is Powell. Condy didn't know shiite about that area as he main point of emphasis was Russia/USSR cold war stuff. My oldest friend (going back to the 2nd grade) works for the St. Dept in the middle east and says that he still has to correct her on facts, a lot.

OUinFLA
11/3/2008, 09:48 PM
If not for the Electoral college, NY, CA and FL would decide all national elections..

We're in deep do-do then.
Y'all know we can't get it together in election years down here.

Big Red Ron
11/4/2008, 12:10 AM
This sorta confuses me. Are you really saying that GWB was a big military man? The only one in that group with an iota of middle east knowledge is Powell. Condy didn't know shiite about that area as he main point of emphasis was Russia/USSR cold war stuff. My oldest friend (going back to the 2nd grade) works for the St. Dept in the middle east and says that he still has to correct her on facts, a lot.Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit is it? I was saying Bush and his team of lackeys sorta blew it. Bush was just a Gov. from texass. Obama's even less experienced and likely to hire the same dumbass that got us into Iraq (Powell).

tommieharris91
11/4/2008, 12:16 AM
Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit is it? I was saying Bush and his team of lackeys sorta blew it. Bush was just a Gov. from texass. Obama's even less experienced and likely to hire the same dumbass that got us into Iraq (Powell).
If Obama does that, Powell will allovasudden become a national hero for his decision.

Big Red Ron
11/4/2008, 12:19 AM
If Obama does that, Powell will allovasudden become a national hero for his decision.
Why?

sooneron
11/4/2008, 11:29 AM
Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit is it? I was saying Bush and his team of lackeys sorta blew it. Bush was just a Gov. from texass. Obama's even less experienced and likely to hire the same dumbass that got us into Iraq (Powell).

No need to be dooshy, what you said could be read either way. Have a nice day.




Actually, **** off.

SoonerProphet
11/4/2008, 11:49 AM
Yeah, don't think Powell was the main instigator in the Iraqi debacle.

Scott D
11/4/2008, 11:51 AM
BRR still using Powell as his scapegoat I see.

sooneron
11/4/2008, 01:01 PM
Yeah, don't think Powell was the main instigator in the Iraqi debacle.

From what I have heard, Powell was pissed that he had the limited info that he did have as W was shoving him onto the podium at the UN.

tommieharris91
11/4/2008, 01:09 PM
Why?

Because the media will make it that way.

Vaevictis
11/4/2008, 01:13 PM
I heard BHO say he intended to bankrupt the coal industry. I've not heard JSM say anything like that. Certainly, JSM favors leveraging nuke heavily. I happen to believe that should be the future for domestic electricity production -- yes, dare I say it, just like France. That said, I don't think JSM opposes coal on principle like BHO does.

I don't see why it's so surprising or shocking or controversial. If your goal is 100% renewable energy, your goal is necessarily going to put the whole fossil fuel industry under.

sooneron
11/4/2008, 01:36 PM
Mr. Coal Dude meet Mr. Buggywhip Salesman.

JLEW1818
11/4/2008, 01:37 PM
Take away welfare receivers, who wins?

picasso
11/4/2008, 01:44 PM
I don't see why it's so surprising or shocking or controversial. If your goal is 100% renewable energy, your goal is necessarily going to put the whole fossil fuel industry under.

while being a complete idiot on the sudden ramifications.

JohnnyMack
11/4/2008, 01:49 PM
while being a complete idiot on the sudden ramifications.

He's talking about NEW coal plants. Not existing coal plants. He and John McCain both have the same stance on not allowing new dirty coal plants. What about this don't you understand?

tommieharris91
11/4/2008, 03:45 PM
The same pollsters saying MN is in play made this map in 2006.

http://www.surveyusa.com/index.php/2008/11/03/mccain-510-electoral-votes-obama-28-how-the-map-looked-exactly-2-years-ago/

Howzit
11/4/2008, 04:19 PM
He's talking about NEW coal plants. Not existing coal plants. He and John McCain both have the same stance on not allowing new dirty coal plants. What about this don't you understand?

Every time I hear dirty coal I think wistfully of women's basketball.

<siiigh>

Okla-homey
11/4/2008, 04:45 PM
Every time I hear dirty coal I think wistfully of women's basketball.

<siiigh>


and rusty trombones

picasso
11/4/2008, 04:56 PM
I think of the Zoolander family.

SleestakSooner
11/4/2008, 09:40 PM
I believe someone made a wager with me that McCain would defeat Obama. Time to pay up buddy. :)

jage
11/4/2008, 10:55 PM
Time to eat crow.:D

JohnnyMack
11/4/2008, 10:57 PM
Time to never hire BRR for anything. Ever.

JLEW1818
11/4/2008, 10:58 PM
BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA

wow, very american

KC//CRIMSON
11/4/2008, 11:16 PM
Obama just nabbed Colorado & Florida


BEATDOWN!

Frozen Sooner
11/4/2008, 11:18 PM
BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA

wow, very american

Yeah, you're actually not.

jage
11/4/2008, 11:23 PM
I only have like 80 posts, but I feel like JLew is the noob...:eek:

JLEW1818
11/4/2008, 11:23 PM
I'm very American, and Obama does not stand for American Qualities.

KC//CRIMSON
11/4/2008, 11:30 PM
I'm very American, and Obama does not stand for American Qualities.


Good to see your college education is already paying dividends.

Frozen Sooner
11/4/2008, 11:36 PM
I'm very American, and Obama does not stand for American Qualities.

I forgot where the founders laid down "If you have a weird name, you can't be an American." Can you look that up for me?

If you find an article where you need help with the big words, I bet an Obama voter can hook you up.

LosAngelesSooner
11/5/2008, 05:41 AM
My real name is Walks Like Wolf, so I'm more American than all of yous guys. ;)

My Opinion Matters
11/5/2008, 12:20 PM
Hey Ron, if it makes you feel any better I haven't seen the PMOY yet.

soonerscuba
11/5/2008, 04:00 PM
This thread should serve as an example of why if you are going to be a dick, at least be right. Hell, be marginally close, otherwise, you just come off as a dick.

My Opinion Matters
11/5/2008, 04:01 PM
This thread should serve as an example of why if you are going to be a dick ,at least be right. Hell, be marginally close, otherwise, you just come off as a dick.

Thanks! :D

tommieharris91
11/5/2008, 04:03 PM
Get back with me Wednesday morning, you'll see your prediction is about as likely as mine. Before you get all "ZOMG YOU'RE ONE OF THOSE DIRTY LIBZ!" on me, let me stop you preemptively. I don't care who wins, I just operate in reality.


I would say you simply opperate antithetically to your user name. Beat it loser.


Save your grandiose internet posturing for LAS. I'm not going to be baited into one of your pathetic LAS/BRR/SB68 internet pissing contests. See you Wednesday morning.

This is greatness.

My Opinion Matters
11/5/2008, 04:10 PM
This is greatness.

I was wrong.

I didn't see him this morning. Or this afternoon. He won't even return my calls.
Maybe he's just not that into me?

tommieharris91
11/5/2008, 04:15 PM
I was wrong.

I didn't see him this morning. Or this afternoon. He won't even return my calls.
Maybe he's just not that into me?

He's sleeping. he was with SicEm for 8 hours last night.

Sooner Born Sooner Bred
11/5/2008, 04:29 PM
Where's BRR's new avvie?

LosAngelesSooner
11/5/2008, 05:11 PM
I was wrong.

I didn't see him this morning. Or this afternoon. He won't even return my calls.
Maybe he's just not that into me?:(

For the record my "internet pissing contests" with BRR are really just my fun way of getting him all wound up and watching him regress to hysterical dick posts and chest pounding.


:D

Frozen Sooner
11/5/2008, 05:17 PM
This thread should serve as an example of why if you are going to be a dick, at least be right. Hell, be marginally close, otherwise, you just come off as a dick.

I'm a dick and I'm only right about 1/2 to 2/3 of the time.

LosAngelesSooner
11/14/2008, 01:29 AM
Bump...for cruelty's sake.

tommieharris91
11/14/2008, 01:48 AM
Has Big Red Ron been around since the election?

ETA: His last post was on 11/4/2008...

Last Activity: 11/9/2008 01:43 PM

LosAngelesSooner
11/14/2008, 01:49 AM
Online?

Yes.

Posting?

No.

Eating crow?

HELLZ NO.

lexsooner
11/14/2008, 08:17 AM
Has Big Red Ron been around since the election?

ETA: His last post was on 11/4/2008...

Last Activity: 11/9/2008 01:43 PM

I really wish he would re-appear, although not for his political opinions, polling savvy or racial jokes. I mean, nobody likes to eat crow, but if you make a bet, you should make good on it.

LosAngelesSooner
11/14/2008, 12:59 PM
And if you talk that much trash to everyone and brag about how smart you are, you'd better be able to back it up or eat crow.

I'm living proof of that! :D

lexsooner
11/14/2008, 01:44 PM
Maybe we should have know BRR would be way off with his prediction. He constantly poll-shopped until he could find one within or close to the margin of error, and then he would declare the race a "dead heat" regardless of what all the other polls found. At one point when the polls had Obama way out in front, he declared that the polls had a liberal bias and we should not focus on them much. Then when McCain took the lead in the polls after the GOP convention, he got excited and started threads about how certain polls showed McCain way out in front. Then after Obama took control for good, it became a "dead heat" again.

Funny, Hannity and other right wing pundits said the same things as above. Too bad they have not disappeared too.

badger
11/14/2008, 01:45 PM
My bold prediction:

Obama does not stay in office eight years.

Is that bold? :confused:

tommieharris91
11/14/2008, 01:47 PM
And if you talk that much trash to everyone and brag about how smart you are, you'd better be able to back it up or eat crow.

I'm living proof of that! :D

A few months ago you tried to tell me everything sucks because the US$ is weak. I tried to tell you to buy euros and put your money where your mouth is.

Anything to say about that one?

olevetonahill
11/14/2008, 02:02 PM
And if you talk that much trash to everyone and brag about how smart you are, you'd better be able to back it up or eat crow.

I'm living proof of that! :D

Why Bro you KNOW you aint ever Lost an Argument here .
You Always Declare yourself The WINNER .

bringit
11/14/2008, 10:05 PM
This thread should serve as an example of why if you are going to be a dick, at least be right. Hell, be marginally close, otherwise, you just come off as a dick.

good stuff

LosAngelesSooner
11/17/2008, 12:33 AM
A few months ago you tried to tell me everything sucks because the US$ is weak. I tried to tell you to buy euros and put your money where your mouth is.

Anything to say about that one?Huh? I don't remember that. But the Euro is still worth more than the U.S. $, so I don't know what your point is.


Why Bro you KNOW you aint ever Lost an Argument here .
You Always Declare yourself The WINNER .Oh, please. I've lost MANY arguments. But in many other cases, when the facts are on my side even though many on here passionately wish otherwise, that doesn't mean I "lost" the argument. It just means that people don't like that I was right.

And I admit when I was wrong about certain things. As for others, I still don't hear any of the people who called me names and accused me of being un-patriotic for saying that a second Bush term was a huge mistake and that he was going to run our country into the ground coming around and admitting that I was right. Which I was. :pop:

olevetonahill
11/17/2008, 12:56 AM
Give me a Link to an thread where you LOST and argument :D
Oh and Glad you didnt end up as shark **** .:cool:

Sooner_Havok
11/17/2008, 01:01 AM
Give me a Link to an thread where you LOST and argument :D
Oh and Glad you didnt end up as shark **** .:cool:

Find one where he was arguing with me :cool:

olevetonahill
11/17/2008, 01:03 AM
Find one where he was arguing with me :cool:

You Miss the Point Young Jedi . I want HIM to show Me where he ever LOST one .;)

Sooner_Havok
11/17/2008, 01:06 AM
You Miss the Point Young Jedi . I want HIM to show Me where he ever LOST one .;)

I NEVER LOSE!

See, I just won! :D

olevetonahill
11/17/2008, 01:07 AM
I NEVER LOSE!

See, I just won! :D

You learned from the Master dint ya ?

Sooner_Havok
11/17/2008, 01:21 AM
You learned from the Master dint ya ?

yup :P

Jeopardude
11/18/2008, 03:00 PM
Just a note that Big Red Ron is STILL HIDING.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

(the laugh is solely on him being a *****, not on the election)

SoonerStormchaser
11/18/2008, 03:08 PM
Can we just lock this thread now?

LosAngelesSooner
11/18/2008, 03:11 PM
No.

Crow must be served in this thread at some point. It would be expected if it was the other way around as well.

SoonerStormchaser
11/18/2008, 03:15 PM
That's true...but I have a feeling there are going to be some red cards/vacations handed out if it goes along any further.

JohnnyMack
11/18/2008, 03:21 PM
Once BRR shows up we can lock it.

LosAngelesSooner
11/18/2008, 03:27 PM
That's true...but I have a feeling there are going to be some red cards/vacations handed out if it goes along any further.Oh, I doubt that. Seriously. This thread has been pretty tame.

And besides, BRR really called all this down upon himself. He's a big boy. He can take it, I'm sure.

I'm just kinda embarrassed for him. I can't believe he's still hiding. Seriously.

SoonerStormchaser
11/18/2008, 03:30 PM
Bah...whatever.

Just for the record, I didn't go into hiding...I just took a weeklong break so I wouldn't say something I'd later regret.

LosAngelesSooner
11/18/2008, 03:40 PM
And nobody ever accused you of going into hiding, did they?

JohnnyMack
11/18/2008, 03:41 PM
And nobody ever accused you of going into hiding, did they?

Naw, we just assumed she grounded him. :D

SoonerStormchaser
11/18/2008, 04:13 PM
Bastage!

LosAngelesSooner
11/21/2008, 02:04 PM
Ron?

Ron?

Wherefore art thou, Ron?

Frozen Sooner
11/21/2008, 02:11 PM
OK, as much as it's fun to kick a guy around when he stated numerous times that the "internal poll numbers" that he was seeing from the McCain campaign were very favorable or that there was a "statistical dead heat" in the publicly-available polls, he's obviously not going to respond.

In the interest of letting BRR come back to the site with some dignity, I'm going to lock this up as having run its useful life-cycle.

I will, however, stick my tongue out one more time. :p