IT'S NOT TOO LATE...YET

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Will the election bring on a Jimma Carter, or even a supersized FDR, with the same result at the end of the regime?

GOP’s Very Survival at Stake

Monday, October 27, 2008 9:18 PM

By: Christopher Ruddy


The stakes of this election are incredibly high, not just for our candidate, John McCain, but for the very existence of the Republican Party.

Am I exaggerating the potential consequences of this election?

Decide for yourself. Consider that Barack Obama has called for the amnesty of all 12 million of the nation’s illegal aliens.

If he sweeps to power with a Democratic Congress, especially with a filibuster-proof Senate, he will be able to put into effect an ambitious liberal agenda — perhaps more bold than FDR’s New Deal and LBJ’s Great Society.

Obama has made his intentions clear, including his intention for amnesty and citizenship for undocumented aliens.

This year, he told the pro-immigrant group La Raza: “Yes, they broke the law. And we should not excuse that. We should require them to pay a fine, learn English, and go to the back of the line for citizenship — behind those who came here legally. But we cannot — and should not — deport 12 million people.”

He added: “That's why we need to offer those who are willing to make amends a pathway to citizenship. That way, we can reconcile our values as both a nation of immigrants and a nation of laws.”

Democrats are anxious to give citizenship as quickly as they can to these illegals. They know these new voters will cast their ballots overwhelmingly for Democratic candidates.

The political balance between Democrats and Republicans has been quite delicate. We saw that in the 2000 and 2004 presidential elections.

In that last election, President Bush was popular, riding the coattails of a great economy and facing an unlikable liberal Democrat from Massachusetts. Still, Bush almost lost. Only 60,000 votes in Ohio separated John Kerry from the White House. The reason, I believe, was the country’s changing demographics.

For Republicans, changing demographics are worrisome. Minorities and immigrants like the idea of a big and benevolent government handing out benefits — the something-for-nothing boondoggles that the Democrats have reveled in since Franklin Roosevelt invented the concept.

If you give amnesty, which really means citizenship, to just 2 million or 3 million of the 12 million illegals here, the electoral map moves dramatically in favor of the Democratic Party. But there will be no reason why Obama and the Democrats won’t push for amnesty and citizenship for all 12 million.

How do I know? Well, he said so. So listen up, Republicans: You are in trouble if Obama is elected with a Democratic Congress.

Today, Texas is an anchor for the GOP nationally. But an Obama amnesty program will put that state solidly into the Democratic column. Florida and other smaller red states like Nevada, Arizona, and New Mexico will become quite blue. Blue states, like California and New York, will get bluer.

The Obama amnesty program also will have grave consequences for Republican representation in the House and the Senate. With so many new immigrants swelling the voter rolls, Democrats could move into a position of not just having a majority in the House and a filibuster-proof Senate, but supermajorities in each.

Both houses of Congress could end up veto proof, if perchance, a Republican were to wiggle into the White House.

With such power and the ability to make even more new citizens and thus new Democratic voters, I wonder how the Republicans will gain a foothold again on the national stage.

Adding to this worry is that Democrats and Obama have openly talked about bringing about the Fairness Doctrine — a new law that will stifle talk radio, the mainstay of opposition media in the country.

No doubt the Democrats know that talk radio stopped Hillary Clinton’s agenda for nationalized healthcare during the '90s.

It is hard to believe the Obama campaign will not want to shut down, once and for all, the Democrats' chief critics.

[See the Video: "Obama Wants 12 million Illegals to Get Citizenship" — Click Here Now.]


© 2008 Newsmax. All rights reserved.

[SicEmBaylor]

He's right about the effect, but not the cause.

[Stoop Dawg]

I don't suppose you've considered the fact that McCain supports amnesty and legalization of illegal aliens as well, have you?

[Stoop Dawg]

Comprehensive Immigration Initiatives for a Secure Nation. Once the borders are secure, John McCain will:

[snip]

Address the Undocumented. John McCain will address the fact that we have a large number undocumented individuals living in the United States and working in our economy:

* All undocumented individuals will be required to enroll in a program to resolve their status.

* This program will use background checks to identify criminal aliens for prosecution and deportation.

o Assure that the remaining undocumented immigrants learn English, pay back taxes and fines, and pass a citizenship course as part of a path to legal status.

o Guarantee that no person here illegally receives a green card before those that have been legally waiting outside the country.

o Do a proper accounting of all social security numbers used and attained illegally, rectifying the accounts and alerting those whose identity had been compromised.

http://www.johnmccain.com/informing/issues/68db8157-d301-4e22-baf7-a70dd8416efa.htm

I suppose you can tell yourself that all "illegal aliens" must be "criminal" by definition. But we both know that that ain't how it will work.

[Fraggle145]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH OBAMA!!!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOEEEEEEEESSSSS!

WE'RE DONE FOR!!

http://media.ebaumsworld.com/picture/Resurrection/wearedonefor.png

[Frozen Sooner]

The plan described does not actually describe amnesty.

I'd also like to point out that Ronald Reagan himself signed a massive amnesty bill for illegal aliens.

[soonerhubs]

I think that article certainly steretypes the Latino Vote to be predominantly Democrat. Personally I think the Republican party should look at why they are losing so much of the Latino Vote in the first place. Perhaps its the abandonment of their conservative voice in the nomination of McCain.

Also, can someone tell me what's wrong with sending out bills to 12 million more tax payers anyways? Many already use our Health Care systems for free, we may as well add them to the income bracket.

[Stoop Dawg]

Whatever, he wants to make them legal citizens.

I guess the GOP is dead no matter you vote for in this election.

[85Sooner]

Until the GOP puts up a strictly conservative agenda, they are dead.

[soonerhubs]

I would suggest that the GOP mismanaged and killed itself for this election back in the Spring.

[Frozen Sooner]

I think that article certainly steretypes the Latino Vote to be predominantly Democrat. Personally I think the Republican party should look at why they are losing so much of the Latino Vote in the first place. Perhaps its the abandonment of their conservative voice in the nomination of McCain.

Also, can someone tell me what's wrong with sending out bills to 12 million more tax payers anyways? Many already use our Health Care systems for free, we may as well add them to the income bracket.

Somewhat of a thorny issue.

The down side of allowing a path to citizenship for people in this country illegally is that it provides an incentive for people to enter the country illegally under the thinking "Hey, if I can get there, eventually they have to let me stay." Under that line of thought, it breeds contempt for the rule of law before someone even becomes a citizen.

On the other hand, if people are already here, I want some way of getting them on the books and paying taxes. Deporting 12,000,000 people isn't something we're going to ever do.

So here's my plan, which I've posted before:

1. Any person who is inside the US Borders as of midnight the day the new law goes into effect may register with the Department of Homeland Security for a background check within 3 months of the law's effective date.

2. If the DHS background check is clean, they are pardoned for illegal immigration and granted status as a "Permanent Resident Alien" with an ITIN and the ability to work legally.

3. Any PRA can attain full citizen status by performing 6240 hours of certified public service. Anything from military service to picking up dog poop works so long as it is verifiably in the interests of the community and non-partisan in nature.

4. There is no other path to citizenship for those granted PRA status. If you're a PRA and you don't do the community service, you stay a PRA for life. No voting rights. Can't run for office. Can't hold security clearances.

5. Military recruiting stations will be opened in Juarez, San Ysidro, etc-all the major border crossings. Anyone who wishes to become a US Citizen who is acceptable to the US Military as a candidate can enlist and be granted citizenship at the end of one hitch.

6. After three months of the new law's taking effect, any person not legally inside the country will be deported immediately and "NOT A LEGAL US RESIDENT" tattooed on their forehead.

[Sooner_Havok]

Anyone who wishes to become a US Citizen who is acceptable to the US Military as a candidate can enlist and be granted citizenship at the end of one hitch.

Isn't that kinda like what happened to the Irish during the Civil War?

Welcome to America, time to defend your new country!

:D :D

[soonerhubs]

Somewhat of a thorny issue.

The down side of allowing a path to citizenship for people in this country illegally is that it provides an incentive for people to enter the country illegally under the thinking "Hey, if I can get there, eventually they have to let me stay." Under that line of thought, it breeds contempt for the rule of law before someone even becomes a citizen.

On the other hand, if people are already here, I want some way of getting them on the books and paying taxes. Deporting 12,000,000 people isn't something we're going to ever do.

So here's my plan, which I've posted before:

1. Any person who is inside the US Borders as of midnight the day the new law goes into effect may register with the Department of Homeland Security for a background check within 3 months of the law's effective date.

2. If the DHS background check is clean, they are pardoned for illegal immigration and granted status as a "Permanent Resident Alien" with an ITIN and the ability to work legally.

3. Any PRA can attain full citizen status by performing 6240 hours of certified public service. Anything from military service to picking up dog poop works so long as it is verifiably in the interests of the community and non-partisan in nature.

4. There is no other path to citizenship for those granted PRA status. If you're a PRA and you don't do the community service, you stay a PRA for life. No voting rights. Can't run for office. Can't hold security clearances.

5. Military recruiting stations will be opened in Juarez, San Ysidro, etc-all the major border crossings. Anyone who wishes to become a US Citizen who is acceptable to the US Military as a candidate can enlist and be granted citizenship at the end of one hitch.

6. After three months of the new law's taking effect, any person not legally inside the country will be deported immediately and "NOT A LEGAL US RESIDENT" tattooed on their forehead.
Mike Rich for President.

[Stoop Dawg]

1. Any person who is inside the US Borders as of midnight the day the new law goes into effect may register with the Department of Homeland Security for a background check within 3 months of the law's effective date.

What is the motivation for registering?

[Frozen Sooner]

Isn't that kinda like what happened to the Irish during the Civil War?

Welcome to America, time to defend your new country!

:D :D

New York can use a couple more riots. :D

[Frozen Sooner]

What is the motivation for registering?

1. Provides a path for legal residency and/or citizenship.
2. If you're caught and you're not registered, you get immediate deportation and a shiny new tattoo.

[Sooner_Havok]

New York can use a couple more riots. :D

I call Bowery Boys!

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Also, can someone tell me what's wrong with sending out bills to 12 million more tax payers anyways? Many already use our Health Care systems for free, we may as well add them to the income bracket.haha

[Stoop Dawg]

1. Provides a path for legal residency and/or citizenship.
2. If you're caught and you're not registered, you get immediate deportation and a shiny new tattoo.

Do a substantial portion of the 12 million illegals want citizenship? I have no idea, I'm asking.

If you're caught now aren't you deported? What's the difference? What happens if 1/3 don't report? Is deporting 4 million any more feasible than deporting 12 million?

[soonerhubs]

Do a substantial portion of the 12 million illegals want citizenship? I have no idea, I'm asking.

If you're caught now aren't you deported? What's the difference? What happens if 1/3 don't report? Is deporting 4 million any more feasible than deporting 12 million?
More feasible by the count of 8 million. ;)

[Frozen Sooner]

Do a substantial portion of the 12 million illegals want citizenship? I have no idea, I'm asking.

If you're caught now aren't you deported? What's the difference? What happens if 1/3 don't report? Is deporting 4 million any more feasible than deporting 12 million?

1. I have to assume they'd prefer to be here legally and be eligible for any job than have to work for less than minimum wage.

2. We deport them. We don't tattoo them. Tattooing them makes it one hell of a lot harder to come back and hide in plain sight. One of the major problems we have now is when we deport them they come right back.

[Sooner_Havok]

1. I have to assume they'd prefer to be here legally and be eligible for any job than have to work for less than minimum wage.

2. We deport them. We don't tattoo them. Tattooing them makes it one hell of a lot harder to come back and hide in plain sight. One of the major problems we have now is when we deport them they come right back.

Tattoos are so old school man, how about something like this?

http://io9.com/assets/resources/2008/03/Loganlifeclock.jpg

:D :D

[Frozen Sooner]

Or better yet, we put one of them invisible fences like for dogs around the border and put bombs in their neck that the fence's signal triggers.

[royalfan5]

What about free citizenship for those willing to settle in Alaska? I think that would be a fair compromise. They could have a district around Sitka, and a policeman's union. I think it would work great.

[SoonerKnight]

The plan described does not actually describe amnesty.

I'd also like to point out that Ronald Reagan himself signed a massive amnesty bill for illegal aliens.

shhhhhhh......that is not one of their talking points..................stop pissing on their desperate parade.....................


:D

[SoonerKnight]

Of course he also talked about getting Mexico to clean up their own economy so less people would be so desperate to come here! That might actually help....... maybe..........

[Sooner_Havok]

Of course he also talked about getting Mexico to clean up their own economy so less people would be so desperate to come here! That might actually help....... maybe..........

Help what? Eliminate the one area of the world where the dollar is stronger than their currency? I think I'll pass. Do you know how far a dollar can get you down there?

:D

[soonerhubs]

Never mind

[Sooner_Havok]

Never mind

Those two words come up a lot in threads I post in.

:confused: :confused: :confused:

[tommieharris91]

Help what? Eliminate the one area of the world where the dollar is stronger than their currency? I think I'll pass. Do you know how far a dollar can get you down there?

:D

I don't think I need to tell you that the USD has gained a ton of strength against the major currencies throughout the economic crisis, or that there are advantages to having weak money.

[Sooner_Havok]

I don't think I need to tell you that the USD has gained a ton of strength against the major currencies throughout the economic crisis, or that there are advantages to having weak money.

No, you don't need to tell me that. But you do have to admit it is nice having a place like Mexico where you can vacation on the cheap.:D

[tommieharris91]

No, you don't need to tell me that. But you do have to admit it is nice having a place like Mexico where you can vacation on the cheap.:D

Now would probably be a good time to plan a trip to Paris. Y'know, to see what being in a socialist country is like.

[Sooner_Havok]

Now would probably be a good time to plan a trip to Paris. Y'know, to see what being in a socialist country is like.

Last time I was in Scotland, the pound was about $1.86.

Buying a Royal with Cheese sucked :(

But right now, buying a Le Grand Mac isn't too bad.

[GottaHavePride]

Whatever, he wants to make them legal citizens.

I guess the GOP is dead no matter you vote for in this election.

The point is not to make them legal, Democrat-voting citizens.

The point IS that right now they're a drain on US society. Make them "official" and all of a sudden they're paying taxes. Paying for the public schools their kids already attend, paying for the government services they're already using, etc. etc. It's about money. They're not giving us any, and we wants it.


Now would probably be a good time to plan a trip to Paris. Y'know, to see what being in a socialist country is like.

I had a GREAT time last time I was in Paris. Much nicer than London. Toronto sucked balls. Stockholm was great. Cancun was also a ****hole.

[Sooner_Havok]

Cancun was also a ****hole.

Ah, but a cheap ****hole:D

[swardboy]

The point is not to make them legal, Democrat-voting citizens.

The point IS that right now they're a drain on US society. Make them "official" and all of a sudden they're paying taxes. Paying for the public schools their kids already attend, paying for the government services they're already using, etc. etc. It's about money. They're not giving us any, and we wants it.



I had a GREAT time last time I was in Paris. Much nicer than London. Toronto sucked balls. Stockholm was great. Cancun was also a ****hole.

Yep, can't beat those beaches in Paris, London, and Toronto.

[soonerhubs]

The point is not to make them legal, Democrat-voting citizens.

The point IS that right now they're a drain on US society. Make them "official" and all of a sudden they're paying taxes. Paying for the public schools their kids already attend, paying for the government services they're already using, etc. etc. It's about money. They're not giving us any, and we wants it.


Not to pick a scab, but many of them pay taxes using our stolen SS#. :O

[SleestakSooner]

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[Stoop Dawg]

The point is not to make them legal, Democrat-voting citizens.

I agree with your larger point.

But the point of the article in the OP definitely *is* "OMG Obama wants to make illegals legal so they can vote for Democrats in congress!!!!!!11".

And I was just pointing out that McCain wants to make them legal too.