Sarah Palin hates fruitflies...

[Fraggle145]

This is the main reason I hate this woman, she doesnt understand science and how it works and why we do it. Obviously frutifly research isnt for the sake of the fruitfly... It is only the best known genetic model species on the planet.



Palin takes on fruit flies--And loses

Lisa Stein

http://www.sciam.com/blog/60-second-science/post.cfm?id=palin-takes-on-fruit-flies--and-los-2008-10-27

Amid the hoopla about Sarah Palin's very un-hockey mom $150,000 campaign wardrobe (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14805.html), the Republican veep candidate managed to drop another flammable tidbit that set off the science community (http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shortsharpscience/2008/10/sarah-palin-does-her-bit-for-s.html?DCMP=ILC-hmts&nsref=specrt11_head_No%20fruit%20flies),
not to mention the blogosphere (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-seitzman/the-lyin-the-witch-and-th_b_137028.html).

During a speech on her ticket's special needs policy last week, Palin, who has held up her Down's syndrome young son as a symbol of her kinship with all parents of special needs children, mocked earmarks better known as pork for eating up much-needed federal funds.

She vowed – as she has many times -- that if she and running mate John McCain are elected, they will nix such fat that's tacked onto budget bills by lawmakers eager to win points back home-- projects that "really don't make a whole lot of sense" and have "little or nothing to do with the public good. . . things like fruit fly research in Paris, France."

"I kid you not," she declared with a chuckle.

One problem: the research she chose to highlight as a waste of cash just happens to have borne some, well, fruit. And for special needs kids, no less. Among such projects: a 2007 University of North Carolina study (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6WSS-4PKGJV3-C&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=fce005ed770e9f7a99f2d55716dbeea7]) that researchers said might be key to better understanding the root of autism spectrum disorders (http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=new-theory-about-autism-roots).

Picking on science research as an example of frivolous spending seems to be a theme with the McCain-Palin campaign. McCain, for instance, has been making a point of dissing research of grizzly bear DNA (http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=mccains-beef-with-bears) in TV spots and on the campaign trail, and he brought it up again as recently as his first debate with Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama. In fact, ScientificAmerican.com established in a February article that the study was crucial to determining whether grizzlies are a dying breed.

As bloggers and scientists have noted, next time McCain and Palin want to tout their devotion to special needs and health care, they might do well to avoid condemning the very science designed to address those issues.

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[JohnnyMack]

Ask yourself if you could beat any of the candidates in Scrabble. If you can't, vote for that person.

[soonerbrat]

I hate fruitflies too. when i took genetics in college I had to take a bunch of the little ****ers home and wake up every hour so i could harvest the virgin females for breeding experiments.

[soonerbrat]

plus when you get them in your house they are really hard to get rid of.

[Fraggle145]

I hate fruitflies too. when i took genetics in college I had to take a bunch of the little ****ers home and wake up every hour so i could harvest the virgin females for breeding experiments.

Ah but at least you understand your hatred.

[Ike]

Ask yourself if you could beat any of the candidates in Scrabble. If you can't, vote for that person.

So you're saying I shouldn't vote for anyone then?

[Tulsa_Fireman]

They're all gay.

Says so in the name. "Fruit" flies.

I ain't spendin' mah tax money on gay flies.

[stoopified]

I think VP Palin just hates French fruitflies.Don't blame her,I don't like anything French.Before you ask,I prefer tater-tots over French fries and Ranch dressing over French.

[IB4OU2]

I hate fruitflies too. when i took genetics in college I had to take a bunch of the little ****ers home and wake up every hour so i could harvest the virgin females for breeding experiments.

How'd you know they were virgin?

[soonerbrat]

How'd you know they were virgin?

you just have to get them right after they hatch. or transform from maggots or whatever it is that they do.

[Tulsa_Fireman]

They had little fly hymens. That, and the fact they're lesbians.

[SoonerInKCMO]

Guinea pig hymens grow back after mating.

http://hardwarelogic.com/articles/blogs/Website_Reviews_and_You/MoreYouKnow.jpg

[Fraggle145]

They had little fly hymens. That, and the fact they're lesbians.

The males often have toxic chemicals in their sperm... To keep the ladies from remating.

[Viking Kitten]

you just have to get them right after they hatch. or transform from maggots or whatever it is that they do.

However, that's too late. They are apparently having oral sex at the larval stage now.

[Sooner_Havok]

Science bad!

[Kels]

"Time flies like an arrow. Fruitflies like a banana."
-- Groucho Marx

[PalmBeachSooner1]

That's it she hates fruit flies, I'm voting for the Muslim.

[Sooner_Havok]

That's it she hates scientific research, I'm voting for the Muslim.

Makes sense to me. We already gave up our dominance the the field of Physics research, why not stay the course and give up our dominance in the area of genetic research?

[TUSooner]

"Time flies like an arrow. Fruitflies like a banana."
-- Groucho Marx


I was wondering when that would pop up.
spek

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

This is the main reason I hate this woman, she doesnt understand science and how it works and why we do it. Obviously frutifly research isnt for the sake of the fruitfly... It is only the best known genetic model species on the planet.What would be the main reason to hate Biden?

[LosAngelesSooner]

This thread has potential...

[Kels]

I was wondering when that would pop up.
spek

For some reason my wife has that quote on her Facebook.

Sometimes you gotta laugh to keep from cryin' . . .

[olevetonahill]

Just a question
Dont you Geeks have enough of em In the Freezer or whatever to study ?
Dosent Cal and just about every major Fruit producing state spend bunches every year fighting the lil Batsards off ?

[Sooner_Havok]

Just a question
Dont you Geeks have enough of em In the Freezer or whatever to study ?
Dosent Cal and just about every major Fruit producing state spend bunches every year fighting the lil Batsards off ?

The research doesn't help the fruit flies. It helps us to better understand genes. About 75% of known human disease genes have a recognizable match in the genetic code of fruit flies, so by studying them, we might find the cures for a lot of diseases plaguing us. Like autism for example.

[olevetonahill]

The research doesn't help the fruit flies. It helps us to better understand genes. About 75% of known human disease genes have a recognizable match in the genetic code of fruit flies, so by studying them, we might find the cures for a lot of diseases plaguing us. Like autism for example.

Like I axed , Dont they have enough in the freezer or them lil bity cages to study ?

[Sooner_Havok]

Like I axed , Dont they have enough in the freezer or them lil bity cages to study ?

You kind of need a living and breeding population to study the genetic changes. Plus, breeding the little sons of bitches ain't the expensive part. The genetic sequencers, centrifuges, high power microscopes, and such are the part that costs money.

[olevetonahill]

You kind of need a living and breeding population to study the genetic changes. Plus, breeding the little sons of bitches ain't the expensive part. The genetic sequencers, centrifuges, high power microscopes, and such are the part that costs money.

So the lil bastages need to ruin the Fruit so Yall can study em .:confused:

[Sooner_Havok]

So the lil bastages need to ruin the Fruit so Yall can study em .:confused:

No, they are breed and studied in captivity.

[C&CDean]

This is the main reason I hate this woman, she doesnt understand science and how it works and why we do it. Obviously frutifly research isnt for the sake of the fruitfly... It is only the best known genetic model species on the planet.

Bull****.

You hate Sarah Palin because she's:

-Prettier than any woman you ever ****ed
-Is sensible
-Believes in God
-Unlike your momma, she has kids that lived

I hate fruitflies too. Little nuisance mother****ers they are. And tell your boyfriend Johnny Mack that Sarah would pwn him in Scrabble. Like a little bitch.

[Howzit]

Someone's been imbiiiiiiibiiiiiiing!

[C&CDean]

When in Baltimore.........but what's your point?

[Sooner_Havok]

Someone's been imbiiiiiiibiiiiiiing!

I'd say cause...


Bull****.

You hate Sarah Palin because she's:

-Prettier than any woman you ever ****ed
-Is sensible
-Believes in God
-Unlike your momma, she has kids that lived

I hate fruitflies too. Little nuisance mother****ers they are. And tell your boyfriend Johnny Mack that Sarah would pwn him in Scrabble. Like a little bitch.

That seems like it might be a personal attack.

[C&CDean]

And that seems like you're whining again.

[Tulsa_Fireman]

And in the distance, the sound of an 80 proof pump action shotgun is heard.

Ain't Baltimore a sh*thole?

[Sooner_Havok]

And that seems like you're whining again.

Got me again boss

[Fraggle145]

Bull****.

You hate Sarah Palin because she's:

-Prettier than any woman you ever ****ed. Not even close

-Is sensible. I have yet to see any proof of this as far as it relates to anything outside of her myopic worldview

-Believes in God. So does Obama and I'm going to vote for him, so the fact that she is religous doesnt bother me. The fact that she believes in one of the crazy fundamentalist versions that believes man and dinosaurs lived together does.

-Unlike your momma, she has kids that lived. **** you. Dont talk about my mother, and dont you dare say that I havent lived.

I hate fruitflies too. Little nuisance mother****ers they are. And tell your boyfriend Johnny Mack that Sarah would pwn him in Scrabble. Like a little bitch. I doubt that, and I am sure that I would kick her *** at it.

.

[Fraggle145]

And that seems like you're whining again.

And that seems like you are being a dick. again.

[Fraggle145]

You kind of need a living and breeding population to study the genetic changes. Plus, breeding the little sons of bitches ain't the expensive part. The genetic sequencers, centrifuges, high power microscopes, and such are the part that costs money.

Right its all of the genetic stuff that costs money. Sequencing although cheaper than it used to be is still incredibly expensive. For example some of the sequencing reactions especially for studies such as these (i.e., for studies of gene expression for genes involved in autism) that require massive efforts can cost $15,000 per run just for the supplies for the reaction. And you need them to breed to use them. Additionally we can manipulate their genetic code easily in order to control and understand the outcomes of the genetic experiments.

[tommieharris91]

I thought the point of this thread would be making fun of her because she said France does and they are socialist, so we shouldn't study fruitflies on that premise.

[Tulsa_Fireman]

Did we already address the fact that I would bang her like her *** was an anvil and my manhood was a hammer?

[StoopTroup]

I like Tina Fey more than Palin.

[Chuck Bao]

I really, really want to like Palin. But, she is a maniac.

Now, Hillary is a battleaxe.

Palin does seem like that to me. She is a likeable enough, but still a maniac. You know the type where you wonder why you'd ever get into a car that she's driving and find your hands alternatively bracing against the dashboard and clenching a fistfull of your trousers.

[LosAngelesSooner]

Be careful about mentioning "Sarah Palin" and "grabbing a fistfull of your trousers" in the same sentence to most of the guys around here, Chuck.

[achiro]

This is the main reason I hate this woman, she doesnt understand science and how it works and why we do it. Obviously frutifly research isnt for the sake of the fruitfly... It is only the best known genetic model species on the planet.

If you didn't see the entire speech then you need to STFU. Context my friend. I took it as money going to France.
By all accounts from people that have actually spent time with this woman is that she is very intelligent. The media would love for you to think that she is a stupid backwoods religous zealot when in fact the actions and results in her life show none of that to be true.

[Tulsa_Fireman]

Be careful about mentioning "Sarah Palin" and "grabbing a fistfull of your trousers" in the same sentence to most of the guys around here, Chuck.

BOING.

[jage]

...when in fact the actions and results in her life show none of that to be true.

Like how she went to 5 different colleges in 5 years to get her degree? ;)

Honestly, I really don't see how people can defend her intelligence. I think Biden is an idiot too and you won't see me defending him, but Palin just downright makes me laugh.

Reminds me of a Daniel Tosh skit where he's talking about Bush:
"That's why you don't tell a retarded kid he can be anything he wants when he grows up.":D

[achiro]

Like how she went to 5 different colleges in 5 years to get her degree? ;)

Honestly, I really don't see how people can defend her intelligence. I think Biden is an idiot too and you won't see me defending him, but Palin just downright makes me laugh.

Reminds me of a Daniel Tosh skit where he's talking about Bush:
"That's why you don't tell a retarded kid he can be anything he wants when he grows up.":D

The point I am trying to make is that you've made a judgement yet I doubt you have ever met her, the people that have say she is a very smart lady. I wonder if you even saw either of the two speeches she made last week, one on womens rights and this one on special needs children? Then there was the one on energy this morning? I doubt it but you've made a judgement based on what? SNL skits? She certainly isn't a dumb person as many try to make her out to be.

[JohnnyMack]

If you didn't see the entire speech then you need to STFU. Context my friend. I took it as money going to France.
By all accounts from people that have actually spent time with this woman is that she is very intelligent. The media would love for you to think that she is a stupid backwoods religous zealot when in fact the actions and results in her life show none of that to be true.

You keep believing Sarah Palin is smart and that Obama is a Muslim, terrorist, Marxist.

[Tulsa_Fireman]

Okay.

Can I also believe you hate America?

[JohnnyMack]

Okay.

Can I also believe you hate America?

Yes. Please do.

[Howzit]

You keep believing Sarah Palin is smart and that Obama is a Muslim, terrorist, Marxist.

:les: I DON'T NEED YOUR PERMISSION, PAL!

[achiro]

You keep believing Sarah Palin is smart and that Obama is a Muslim, terrorist, Marxist.

Have you ever seen me post that he is any of those things? :rolleyes:

[JohnnyMack]

:les: I DON'T NEED YOUR PERMISSION, PAL!

:les:Our therapist said you're not supposed to yell!

[Howzit]

:les: SHE ALSO SAID YOU POST TO PUT OUT MORE!

[Tulsa_Fireman]

That's nine kinds of hawt.

[Fraggle145]

If you didn't see the entire speech then you need to STFU. Context my friend. I took it as money going to France.
By all accounts from people that have actually spent time with this woman is that she is very intelligent. The media would love for you to think that she is a stupid backwoods religous zealot when in fact the actions and results in her life show none of that to be true.

Exactly you took it as money going to France... WHICH IS WRONG. It is money going to autism research and for collaboration with scientists in France. Not all of the premier research in the world is done in America! It shows that she doesnt understand the nature of science and how problems are solved. It shows that she doesnt understand that the study of fruitfly genetics has led to discoveries of all sorts of medicinal practices that are used today. It shows she cant look past her own face.

It took her 5 years to eventually get a degree in journalism from the distinguished journalism school at the University of Idaho. Idaho, may have quite a few programs that they are quite recognizable for, but it is not a bastion of journalistic knowledge.

I watched her interviews and I have seen her debates. She cant answer a question with her own thoughts. Plain and simple.

The media, the media , the media... When are conservatives going to realize that not everything in the media is false? And when are you going to realize that intelligent people make there own decisions after doing actual research and arent programmed by the media as bad as you want to believe it.

[Fraggle145]

The point I am trying to make is that you've made a judgement yet I doubt you have ever met her, the people that have say she is a very smart lady. I wonder if you even saw either of the two speeches she made last week, one on womens rights and this one on special needs children? Then there was the one on energy this morning? I doubt it but you've made a judgement based on what? SNL skits? She certainly isn't a dumb person as many try to make her out to be.

You mean spouting rehearsed republican talking points makes her smart? W did the same thing, and I dont think he is to bright. No I havent met her... Have you? So if thats your qualification for being able to judge someones intelligence then you cant make an accurate judgement either. And what if the people that have met her are biased or even worse unintelligent themselves? How do i know if the are qualified to judge someone's intelligence?

Its obvious she doesnt understand all of the intricacies of being an advocate for underage children otherwise she would support this research. Just because you have a special needs child doesnt mean you know everything about them and what needs to be done. you have to do actual research in order to grasp all of the needs not only of the child, but also of the medical fields and science trying to understand and treat the childs condition. She proved she couldnt do that. And she has proven been proven on numerous occasions to not understand the needs of science so that we can actually make progress.

[LosAngelesSooner]

If you didn't see the entire speech then you need to STFU. Context my friend. I took it as money going to France.
By all accounts from people that have actually spent time with this woman is that she is very intelligent. The media would love for you to think that she is a stupid backwoods religous zealot when in fact the actions and results in her life show none of that to be true.Correction: She is a naive, intellectually incurious, backwoods, MASSIVELY INTELLECTUALLY INSECURE religious zealot who only appeals to the extreme fringe of the Neo-Conservative movement and dudes who don't get laid much.

Carry on.

;)

[Tulsa_Fireman]

Correction: She is a naive, intellectually incurious, backwoods, MASSIVELY INTELLECTUALLY INSECURE religious zealot who only appeals to the extreme fringe of the Neo-Conservative movement and dudes who don't get laid much, and obviously don't have the crotch-pulsating mojo it takes to live in Los Angeles like some of our board patrons. Instead, everyone that's not from L.A. simply wanks it to bad porn.

Don't be a doosh. That was amazingly dooshtastic.

[C&CDean]

In all fairness, does your lord and saviour Da Big O know all this mundane **** about fruitflies? I'm thinking.......no? So, does that make him a dumbass too? I'm thinking.........no?

In fact, you're probably the only person I've ever heard of who digs fruitflies.

[Tulsa_Fireman]

HOPE. CHANGE. FRUITFLIES.

[1890MilesToNorman]

Scientists can be just a bit snooty if you ask me, it they can't reproduce a certain aspect of whatever then it must not exist? I guarantee there are more things science has not explained then what it has explained. Theory is just a guess, nothing more and nothing less.

Fruit Flies suck by the way. I prefer the Spanish variety.

[SoonerInKCMO]

Do they not teach the scientific method in schools anymore? :confused:

[crawfish]

Every once in a while, I wonder "can the political threads on the SO get any more stupid"?

Thanks for answering that question.

:rolleyes:

[Fraggle145]

Scientists can be just a bit snooty if you ask me, it they can't reproduce a certain aspect of whatever then it must not exist? I guarantee there are more things science has not explained then what it has explained. Theory is just a guess, nothing more and nothing less.

Fruit Flies suck by the way. I prefer the Spanish variety.

You are right there are more things that science hasnt explained. Thats because understanding things and doing research that is rigorous and complete is difficult and takes a long time.

Right just a guess... You dont know what you are talking about. That is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. I guess all that modern medicine you use is just a guess. I bet you like turning on the lights in the morning. I bet you like having fresh uncontaminated food.

I guess modern society just runs on a whole lot of guesses.

Theories are not just guesses. They are called theories because rarely can something be completely proven without exception. Similarly, science is attempting to classify things in terms of trends as exactly as possible. Sometimes things dont fit and that brings up a whole new set of questions... Like why did that result happen. can it be reproduced? if not can we figure out why it happened anyway? It doesnt mean that it doesnt exist any scientist that says that is not a good rigorous scientist.

Do you ever think that scientists get a bit "snooty" when people come in and try to tell us what they know is right, that what we are doing is just a bunch of guesses, and how to do our job, when they dont know what they are talking about without having done anything to be knowledgeable about the subject? If that happened to you with your job I bet it would **** you off too and you might be the one that comes of as "snooty."

[Fraggle145]

In all fairness, does your lord and saviour Da Big O know all this mundane **** about fruitflies? I'm thinking.......no? So, does that make him a dumbass too? I'm thinking.........no?

In fact, you're probably the only person I've ever heard of who digs fruitflies.

But I bet he would have done some research into it before running his mouth about something he didnt know **** about on national TV.

I dont particularly care for fruitflies other than for what they can tell us about humans.

[1890MilesToNorman]

I'm sorry, did I jeopardize your grant money?

It's just my opinion, get over it. :(

[IB4OU2]

But I bet he would have done some research into it before running his mouth about something he didnt know **** about on national TV.

I dont particularly care for fruitflies other than for what they can tell us about humans.

How long does it take before a virgin fruit fly can talk?

[Fraggle145]

How long does it take before a virgin fruit fly can talk?

They have to dry out first...

[C&CDean]

But I bet he would have done some research into it before running his mouth about something he didnt know **** about on national TV.

I dont particularly care for fruitflies other than for what they can tell us about humans.

Don't you really mean "he would have his people do some research into it?"

Politicians constantly run their mouth about **** they don't know **** about. This just happens to be her running her mouth on a subject that only you and a couple other eggheads out there know something about.

You and JM and LAS may not like Palin, but she's hardly the dumbass you guys try and paint her as. It's kinda dumb to attack her lack of intelligence when you don't really know how smart she really is. Hell man, JM is voting for Brack cause he's a good Scrabble player. How dumb is that?

[LosAngelesSooner]

Don't be a honest. That was amazingly honest.Fixed.

[Fraggle145]

Don't you really mean "he would have his people do some research into it?"

Politicians constantly run their mouth about **** they don't know **** about. This just happens to be her running her mouth on a subject that only you and a couple other eggheads out there know something about.

You and JM and LAS may not like Palin, but she's hardly the dumbass you guys try and paint her as. It's kinda dumb to attack her lack of intelligence when you don't really know how smart she really is. Hell man, JM is voting for Brack cause he's a good Scrabble player. How dumb is that?

I think I do have an idea of how smart she is, she has had a lot more exposure now. I've seen her talk, debate and interview. I've seen her word choice and the way she speaks. I've heard her ideas for the way things should be run and I know what beliefs she has and I know how I feel about her chosen set. And they all lead me to one conclusion - clever, but not intelligent. She obviously has charisma, but so did W and I dont think he was smart either. He was adroit in persuading people, but not so much in terms of actual substance and getting things done and done right.

And sure, Obama would have his people do it... But then does she not have people? are they dumb people or what? Who bears the brunt of it when they make a mistake? Who hired those people? Why as a politician would you say something that hadnt been researched or vetted properly? Ultimately the responsibility has to fall on her if she says something dumb... especially about something that she has said she feels strongly about.

[LosAngelesSooner]

You and JM and LAS may not like Palin, but she's hardly the dumbass you guys try and paint her as. It's kinda dumb to attack her lack of intelligence when you don't really know how smart she really is.
She's given us plenty of evidence regarding her degree of intelligence based on things she's said in interviews, in speeches and in high pressure "think on your feet" situations.

And she's consistently failed. She's good at being a robot and repeating what she's been told to say (until lately, now that she thinks she knows what's best :rolleyes:). She's good at playing on people's fears and on their passions. But actual intellectual discourse and issues requiring subtlety, grace and consideration are clearly beyond her capabilities.

The proof is in the pudding.

And I'm angry about it because 4 years from now people will be looking back on this election and admitting the hard truth: That Sarah Palin cost John McCain the Presidency.

[C&CDean]

Dude, in 4 years you're gonna be saying "yes Ms. President Palin." Bank it.

[LosAngelesSooner]

Dude, in 4 years you're gonna be saying "yes Ms. President Palin." Bank it.
I will bet you ONE THOUSAND DOLLARS that you're wrong.

Somebody save this thread.

[C&CDean]

I reserve the right to switch it to "yes Ms. President Bull Dyke Hillary."

[Fraggle145]

Dude, in 4 years you're gonna be saying "yes Ms. President Palin." Bank it.

If that was the case... I might just move ;)

[Frozen Sooner]

Dude, nobody's going to vote for Hillary Clinton in 2012.

She wouldn't finish her term until she was in her 70s. Voting for someone that old is ludicrous. ;)

[LosAngelesSooner]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/29/palin.gop/index.html



Palin's future causes Republican rift

By Alexander Mooney
CNN
(CNN) -- Election Day is still days away, but Republicans are already caught up in a heated debate about Sarah Palin's future role in the party should the GOP ticket fail to win the White House.

In one corner are some conservatives who believe the Alaska governor has been a detriment to John McCain's presidential bid and threatens to lead the party astray for the foreseeable future.

Another faction says Palin's core-conservative beliefs, demonstrated political acumen, and compelling frontier biography position her to reshape the face of a party now viewed by many voters as out of touch.

It's a debate, somewhat ugly at times, that is beginning to play out in public view as Republicans brace themselves for the possibility of losing the White House and a significant number of seats in Congress come Election Day. And that may leave the party in shambles with drastically reduced influence in Washington.

Should that happen, political observers say, the party will face its biggest identity crisis in more than a generation, and Palin (http://topics.cnn.com/topics/sarah_palin) may well be caught squarely in the middle of it.

"A civil war that is simmering will break out into the open if McCain loses, and the party will have to decide what they want to be in the post-Reagan world," said Gloria Borger, a senior political analyst for CNN.

Palin, whose campaign rally crowds have been noticeably larger than McCain (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/candidates/john.mccain.html)'s, will certainly have legitimacy to run for president in four years should she want to. Some McCain operatives, claiming Palin repeatedly veers off script and often disregards the campaign's advice, already believe she is more interested in positioning herself for the future than helping the party win this year.

"She is such a compelling figure, and she has helped, without a doubt, with the Republican base," CNN Chief National Correspondent John King said. "But she's also hurting with key constituencies, like suburban women and independents, and there's a big question that, if McCain loses, does she try to emerge as the leader of the party heading into the 2012 cycle?"

Should Palin ultimately decide to launch her own presidential bid, she will face a massive headwind from an influential group of conservatives who believe the Alaska governor represents the very reasons why the Republican Party finds itself in retreat.

"She is a person of great ambition, but the question remains: What is the purpose of the ambition? She wants to rise, but what for? It's unclear whether she is Bushian or Reaganite. She doesn't think aloud. She just ... says things," conservative columnist Peggy Noonan wrote in a recent Wall Street Journal column.

It's an argument that has been echoed by a string of conservatives -- including David Brooks, George Will, Kathleen Parker, and David Frum -- who believe Palin exhibits a poisonous anti-intellectual instinct of the party that threatens to ultimately destroy its foundations.

"Reagan had an immense faith in the power of ideas. But there has been a counter, more populist tradition, which is not only to scorn liberal ideas but to scorn ideas entirely. And I'm afraid that Sarah Palin has those prejudices," said Brooks, a conservative columnist for the New York Times.

Frum, a former speechwriter for President Bush who has written that Palin is woefully inexperienced to be president, told CNN the Alaska (http://topics.cnn.com/topics/alaska) governor's chances might be slim in a general election matchup.

"She will face the classic problem of being a strong candidate for the nomination, but not such an appealing candidate across party lines," he said. "She has a very intense following among core Republicans, but at the same time, non-core Republicans have reached a very negative verdict."

Frum also pointed to recent polling that suggests Palin's unfavorable ratings have sharply risen in the last two months, and predicted it will be extremely difficult for her to combat a perception among many voters that she is a lightweight, ill equipped for the burdens of the presidency.

"This is a moment where people have formed impressions, they have been watching her closely and paying a lot of attention," he said. "Even if she spends the next two and a half years delivering worthy speeches at the Council on Foreign Relations, the cumulative work that she will do will be seen by fewer people than probably watched the Katie Couric interview or the Charlie Gibson interview, or the debate with Joe Biden."

But even as one corner of the party predicts dire consequences if Palin becomes the Republican standard-bearer, another is strongly behind her.
"I hope and expect that she stays involved nationally, and she can play pretty much whatever role she wants to. She's got momentum now, and I'd be surprised if she didn't play a leadership role in the party," Richard Viguerie, a prominent cultural conservative and chairman of conservativehq.com, told CNN.

Viguerie, as well as many other cultural conservatives, point to Palin's core beliefs on key issues such as abortion and same-sex marriage and say she represents a fresh face, from a different region of the country, who has the potential to reshape the conservative movement.

"Palin, as best I can describe it, exudes a kind of middle-class magnetism. It's subdued but nonetheless very powerful," Weekly Standard editor Fred Barnes recently wrote. "Whether they know it or not, Republicans have a huge stake in Palin. If, after the election, they let her slip into political obscurity, they'll be making a tragic mistake."

Factors out of Palin's control could ultimately control her fate.

The political landscape in 2012 may look markedly different than it does now, depending on the success of a President Obama (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/candidates/barack.obama.html) should the Illinois senator win. Unforeseen developments in the economy and the war in Iraq will also likely have an effect on whether Palin rises to the forefront of her party in the next election cycle.

But one thing is clear: If Palin wants to mount a serious bid for her party's nomination in 2012, she has a lot of groundwork to do.

She has yet to form relationships with many key conservative groups at the local level, whose support would be instrumental in ultimately capturing the Republican presidential nomination. She knows few party chairman in the key early primary states where the race will likely be decided.

"She needs to get out there and get to know conservative leaders at the national, state, and local level," Viguerie said. "She needs to introduce herself in a way she hasn't had the opportunity to do so far."

And should McCain lose next Tuesday, the Alaska governor will have little time to take a breath.

"She would have to start the day after the election if she wants to run for president -- there is no period where the election isn't going on," Frum said. A Palin campaign would grab a solid 25-30% chunk of America, but would lose all the moderates, centrists, intellectuals, scientists, businessmen, etc. Just as she did this election. http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/.element/img/2.0/content/ads/advertisement.gif

[LosAngelesSooner]

I reserve the right to switch it to "yes Ms. President Bull Dyke Hillary."Barring a catastrophe that I wouldn't wish on anybody, Obama will be Pres for 8 years. You may be right about 1016, but I doubt it. I think Hillary is done seeking the White House.

[C&CDean]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/29/palin.gop/index.html

A Palin campaign would grab a solid 25-30% chunk of America, but would lose all the lefties in righty clothes, atheists, people who think they're smart but ain't, fringe lunatic scientists, and a few businessmen, etc.

Fixed.

[JohnnyMack]

Don't you really mean "he would have his people do some research into it?"

Politicians constantly run their mouth about **** they don't know **** about. This just happens to be her running her mouth on a subject that only you and a couple other eggheads out there know something about.

You and JM and LAS may not like Palin, but she's hardly the dumbass you guys try and paint her as. It's kinda dumb to attack her lack of intelligence when you don't really know how smart she really is. Hell man, JM is voting for Brack cause he's a good Scrabble player. How dumb is that?

If you think Barack Obama and Sarah Palin are on the same level intellectually you're as dumb as you are ugly. Politics aside it's quite clear who has more synapses firing. I would love to hear you explain to me which one of them is more intelligent and have it NOT be Obama.

[LosAngelesSooner]

Fixed.I could easily mock you for everything in that post, but the "some businessmen" part is the funniest.

If Palin is so good for businessmen, how do you explain a) Warren Buffett endorsing Obama and b) The massive amount of money businesses have contributed to Obama's campaign vs. McCain's since Palin was announced as VP?

[mdklatt]

If you think Barack Obama and Sarah Palin are on the same level intellectually you're as dumb as you are ugly.

It's a good thing you two are never face-to-face. :texan:


:D

[LosAngelesSooner]

Eh...if they were face to face they'd probably just sit down, have a drink, and talk Sooner football.

That's what most people on here would do.

[Sooner_Havok]

Like I said, you righties are spending way too much time on this. It. Doesn't. Matter.

Folks that are voting for her will vote for her even if they find out she helped finance 9-11 and cheered like the other ****wads when they saw the buildings go down. They'll vote for her if they find out she's a dues paying member of the Westboro Baptist Church. They'll vote for her if they find out she's got an Adolf Hitler shrine in her living room. It. Doesn't. Matter.

Just quit yapping about it and wasting time doing all the innerweb searches trying to gun down this whole "Palin is retarded" thing. STFU and go vote on the 4th for chrissakes. I'm sick of it all.

[C&CDean]

Like I said, you righties are spending way too much time on this. It. Doesn't. Matter.

Folks that are voting for her will vote for her even if they find out she helped finance 9-11 and cheered like the other ****wads when they saw the buildings go down. They'll vote for her if they find out she's a dues paying member of the Westboro Baptist Church. They'll vote for her if they find out she's got an Adolf Hitler shrine in her living room. It. Doesn't. Matter.

Just quit yapping about it and wasting time doing all the innerweb searches trying to gun down this whole "Palin is retarded" thing. STFU and go vote on the 4th for chrissakes. I'm sick of it all.

Heh. Only I ain't the righty doing any research. You guys are the ones who are saying Brack is head & shoulders above her intelligence-wise and I'm just responding by saying "prove it." Of course nobody can, so they say **** like "who would you want to play in Scrabble?" and "you're one handsome sumbitch even if you are dumb."

And I will be voting, only not on the 4th. I'm voting on Halloween after I fly home cause I'll be flying back out on the 3rd. Anybody wanna buy my vote?

[C&CDean]

Eh...if they were face to face they'd probably just sit down, have a drink, and talk Sooner football.

That's what most people on here would do.

We have been face to face. Well actually all I saw was JM's backside while he stuck his head in the cop car window and fellated one of Tulsa's finest. I'm not knocking him though. Cop did say "you fellas have a nice day" and drove away and left us alone. Of course JM tells the story much better.

[JohnnyMack]

I hope you get trampled in a pro-Obama parade while up in Baltimore.

[Sooner_Havok]

Heh. Only I ain't the righty doing any research. You guys are the ones who are saying Brack is head & shoulders above her intelligence-wise and I'm just responding by saying "prove it." Of course nobody can, so they say **** like "who would you want to play in Scrabble?" and "you're one handsome sumbitch even if you are dumb."

And I will be voting, only not on the 4th. I'm voting on Halloween after I fly home cause I'll be flying back out on the 3rd. Anybody wanna buy my vote?

Hey, I'm playing by the right wing, attack Obama, playbook man. We threw a claim out, you have to prove it wrong, we don't have to back up ****. Kinda like all the "Obama is a _____" threads out there. You know, the ones where people makes ludicrous statements about Obama, and ask all Obama supporters to prove them wrong. But then when we prove them wrong we are accused of watching every thread, and waiting to swoop in and argue with people who already made up their minds on who they are voting for.

I think turn about is fair play, don't you?

[LosAngelesSooner]

Heh. Only I ain't the righty doing any research. You guys are the ones who are saying Brack is head & shoulders above her intelligence-wise and I'm just responding by saying "prove it." Of course nobody can, so they say **** like "who would you want to play in Scrabble?" and "you're one handsome sumbitch even if you are dumb."

And I will be voting, only not on the 4th. I'm voting on Halloween after I fly home cause I'll be flying back out on the 3rd. Anybody wanna buy my vote?Will you please tell me, scientifically, how you would accurately "prove" ANYONE'S intelligence level?

And the first person to say an "IQ test" gets Donkey Punched by Richard Simmons.


We have been face to face. Well actually all I saw was JM's backside while he stuck his head in the cop car window and fellated one of Tulsa's finest. I'm not knocking him though. Cop did say "you fellas have a nice day" and drove away and left us alone. Of course JM tells the story much better.Well, what do you expect? He's a "Dirty Lib!" :D

[tommieharris91]

Palin, whose campaign rally crowds have been noticeably larger than McCain's, will certainly have legitimacy to run for president in four years should she want to. Some McCain operatives, claiming Palin repeatedly veers off script and often disregards the campaign's advice, already believe she is more interested in positioning herself for the future than helping the party win this year.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/27418473

The two just look like different thinkers in this interview. As I watched this, I could see that McCain was angered when Palin offered her different, in-the-box thinking. But don't worry, I wondered throughout this interview how Obama and Biden would look when asked the same questions.

"She is a person of great ambition, but the question remains: What is the purpose of the ambition? She wants to rise, but what for? It's unclear whether she is Bushian or Reaganite. She doesn't think aloud. She just ... says things," conservative columnist Peggy Noonan wrote in a recent Wall Street Journal column.

It's an argument that has been echoed by a string of conservatives -- including David Brooks, George Will, Kathleen Parker, and David Frum -- who believe Palin exhibits a poisonous anti-intellectual instinct of the party that threatens to ultimately destroy its foundations.

"Reagan had an immense faith in the power of ideas. But there has been a counter, more populist tradition, which is not only to scorn liberal ideas but to scorn ideas entirely. And I'm afraid that Sarah Palin has those prejudices," said Brooks, a conservative columnist for the New York Times.
People that say things to say things scare me. Dean, the way you are arguing in this thread shows me that you and Palin think on the same lines. Is it smart? No, no, no, no... it's very reactionary and snappy. But hey, if it fits you, so be it.

[achiro]

You mean spouting rehearsed republican talking points makes her smart? W did the same thing, and I dont think he is to bright. No I havent met her... Have you? So if thats your qualification for being able to judge someones intelligence then you cant make an accurate judgement either. And what if the people that have met her are biased or even worse unintelligent themselves? How do i know if the are qualified to judge someone's intelligence?

Its obvious she doesnt understand all of the intricacies of being an advocate for underage children otherwise she would support this research. Just because you have a special needs child doesnt mean you know everything about them and what needs to be done. you have to do actual research in order to grasp all of the needs not only of the child, but also of the medical fields and science trying to understand and treat the childs condition. She proved she couldnt do that. And she has proven been proven on numerous occasions to not understand the needs of science so that we can actually make progress.

ok so 2 very long posts just to say what I have already said. You don't have a freaking clue about her intelligence beyond what you have seen on TV. You don't know the reason she went to more than one college and I can tell you from experience, that can have NOTHING to do with a persons smarts. You say you've seen the debateS, there was only one and she did fine in it. You say you've seen her interviews, which ones? They've already said, as an example, that the Charlie Gibson one was edited in such a way to make her look stupid. For a guy thats suppose to be smart, you'd think maybe you wouldn't believe everything you've seen on tv. Do you ever think that her "handlers" from the McCain camp have had her so confined on what they wanted her to say or not to say that it put her into a position of not feeling comfortable in her own skin? A governor of any state that has an 80+% approval rating was doing somthing right. To downplay that is more than ignorance on your part.

[achiro]

I think I do have an idea of how smart she is, she has had a lot more exposure now. I've seen her talk, debate and interview. I've seen her word choice and the way she speaks. I've heard her ideas for the way things should be run and I know what beliefs she has and I know how I feel about her chosen set. And they all lead me to one conclusion - clever, but not intelligent. She obviously has charisma, but so did W and I dont think he was smart either. He was adroit in persuading people, but not so much in terms of actual substance and getting things done and done right.
You do know that intelligence and ignorance have nothing to do with each other right? Ignorance can be fixed through education of a topic.
BTW, if scientist were so smart, they'd make their own money and not need to get handouts from the government. :texan: bwahahahaha!:pop:

[SoonerInKCMO]

People that know her also think she's dumb (http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=8c130fe3-adab-4cb3-8443-c363f085cf13).

[LosAngelesSooner]

Achiro, those were two of the dumber posts I've seen on here.

[Fraggle145]

ok so 2 very long posts just to say what I have already said. You don't have a freaking clue about her intelligence beyond what you have seen on TV. You don't know the reason she went to more than one college and I can tell you from experience, that can have NOTHING to do with a persons smarts. You say you've seen the debateS, there was only one and she did fine in it. You say you've seen her interviews, which ones? They've already said, as an example, that the Charlie Gibson one was edited in such a way to make her look stupid. For a guy thats suppose to be smart, you'd think maybe you wouldn't believe everything you've seen on tv. Do you ever think that her "handlers" from the McCain camp have had her so confined on what they wanted her to say or not to say that it put her into a position of not feeling comfortable in her own skin? A governor of any state that has an 80+% approval rating was doing somthing right. To downplay that is more than ignorance on your part.

And neither do you. I saw both the Couric interview and the Gibson interview. I'd like to hear any of the excuses for the Couric interview... And I believe the stuff that comes out of her mouth on TV or in print. If she makes stupid statements then I'm going to infer that she is stupid. I love how it is a major conservative talking point that every thought in the head of America is planted there by the media. I guess everything she has said that is unfounded or unthoughtful must be out of context? Exactly, where are all your secret sources that dont involve TV or print?

And I never said she wasnt doing something right for her state, if they like her thats fine. Considering her entire state has an equivalent population of one major metropolitan area, then you might be able to see how i have difficulty translating that to the entire country.

And then the McCain handler story... excuses, excuses... I'm supposed to just accept that as the reason for all of these gaffes.

[Fraggle145]

You do know that intelligence and ignorance have nothing to do with each other right? Ignorance can be fixed through education of a topic.
BTW, if scientist were so smart, they'd make their own money and not need to get handouts from the government. :texan: bwahahahaha!:pop:

If you are saying ignorance is her problem than I'd agree with that too. It relates to intelligence in either she does not want to aquire new knowledge or she is not capable of assimilating new knowledge. I'd love to see her become more educated, then maybe she wouldnt say and do so many dumb things.

Many scientists make their own money through invention and from all other kinds of sources. The government is paying me for my knowledge, both that I have accumulated and that I will accumulate. Its not a handout.

[Tulsa_Fireman]

These threads are so gay, Liberace even thinks they're pillowbiting asspiracy.

So typical and easy to follow. X sucks. No, Y sucks because X sucks harder. That can't be true, because of Z, which when applied to X, makes Y suck the paint off of oilfield pipe. Dude, if you werent' so stupid, you'd know A was FACT OMG FACT WORSHIP which invalidates X, Y, and Z in he first place. But A is stupid. Haven't you seen it on TV? Are you kidding? B isn't exactly a rocket surgeon. That's insane. B went to school at a prestigious university and A's school is a sh*thole! C said she attended 5 different schools in 5 years and that the degree is bogus. D is the dean of the school. Zero evidence. Eh? I wipe with E. I like to F. G, isn't this a witty H?

I, as in the letter and myself, know (not THINK) this is an explosion of gaytardery the likes I have never witnessed. From both sides, it's like trying to convince the Pope into not being Catholic by bringing hard, factual evidence that Catholics fought in a bunch of wars and killed a bunch of people over the years in the name of God. Trying to convince George Michael that stuffed chicken is NOT the same thing as jamming a :chicken: down your throat in a rest stop bathroom.

[LosAngelesSooner]

There are people who want to gain knowledge so they can win arguments and there are people who want to gain knowledge so they can be better informed, more intelligent and have a better grasp of the world around them, even if gaining that knowledge reveals that they have been wrong in previous assertions and positions.

I feel that Sarah Palin is the former and not the latter. It appears that many of the "higher ups" and intellectuals in the Republican Party agree with me.

[LosAngelesSooner]

So typical and easy to follow. X sucks. No, Y sucks because X sucks harder. That can't be true, because of Z, which when applied to X, makes Y suck the paint off of oilfield pipe. Dude, if you werent' so stupid, you'd know A was FACT OMG FACT WORSHIP which invalidates X, Y, and Z in he first place. But A is stupid. Haven't you seen it on TV? Are you kidding? B isn't exactly a rocket surgeon. That's insane. B went to school at a prestigious university and A's school is a sh*thole! C said she attended 5 different schools in 5 years and that the degree is bogus. D is the dean of the school. Zero evidence. Eh? I wipe with E. I like to F. G, isn't this a witty H?
OOOH! OOOH! I got it!!!!

Train B reaches Philadelphia first.

What do I win?

[Tulsa_Fireman]

blahblahblahblah, blahblah. I really have no idea other than what I've seen on TV, but I'm going to play it up 1) because I feel the need to prove myself on the internet, 2) I want to spread my omnipotent knowledge to everyone because of a misguided sense of oneupsmanship, 3) I'm smarter than you and I know it, and 4) to make folks think I'm totally in tune with party connections and that I got some stroke because I'm the King of Los Angeles.

Fixed.

GHEY.

[LosAngelesSooner]

I'm GHEY!
Fixed.
;)

[Tulsa_Fireman]

...FOR TULSA_FIREMAN;)

Oh yeah!?

DOUBLE fixed!

[Tulsa_Fireman]

See, I left the winky lil' face thingy in there because I don't want people to REEEEEALLY think you've gone all George Michael on us and strangely like to put the man-thingy in your mouth.

Bros before hos. *fistbump*

Righteous.

[LosAngelesSooner]

What can I say? After I saw your picture in that calendar...

http://bocaraton.com/images/logos/Fitness_For_women_Firefighter_Gonzalo.jpg

I was smitten...

[Tulsa_Fireman]

I got righteous lats. It brings all the boys to the yard.

[LosAngelesSooner]

I mean...

*burp*

*ahem*

http://www.americasfemalefirefighters.com/images/cover.jpg

http://www.newsday.com/media/photo/2008-03/36968939.jpg

:les:FISTBUMP!!!!!

[Tulsa_Fireman]

So did it work?

Is the thread officially derailed and doomed for page 2?

[JohnnyMack]

Fags

[Tulsa_Fireman]

Nice shoes.

Wanna ****?

[achiro]

Achiro, those were two of the dumber posts I've seen on here.

You must have yourself on ignore.

[LosAngelesSooner]

Fags
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g212/ganessian/fags.jpg

[JohnnyMack]

Nice shoes.

Wanna ****?

:les:I have a wide stance!!!

[LosAngelesSooner]

You know...considering the title of this thread, we really should have seen this turn of events coming...

[LosAngelesSooner]

http://www.coshuk.com/gallery/1530411096FagsMain.jpg
Straight Fags.

[Tulsa_Fireman]

I tried to warn everyone on page 1 or 2.

Early on, my wise mind could see the carnage developing.

[Fraggle145]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3227/2974208055_a71894163e_b.jpg

[jage]

The point I am trying to make is that you've made a judgement yet I doubt you have ever met her, the people that have say she is a very smart lady. I wonder if you even saw either of the two speeches she made last week, one on womens rights and this one on special needs children? Then there was the one on energy this morning? I doubt it but you've made a judgement based on what? SNL skits? She certainly isn't a dumb person as many try to make her out to be.


Have you met her? Describe to me some of her OWN thoughts that prove she can have any sort of rational thought process.

Speeches don't impress me much because I know people wrote them for the candidates. Obama's speeches weren't written by him either, but when he gets interviewed, I can tell he is intelligent with the way he responds. Also, he has some ideas of his own, some of them bad, some of them good. But at least he is intelligently defending them.

I haven't seen one interview Palin did good in. I don't care how much they chopped it up, it's not like they dubbed in some of the stupid stuff she has said.

And to those that were saying her 5 college years at 5 colleges doesn't make her dumb, you're partially right, but it definitely proves to me she isn't all that smart. Obama and Harvard Law School tells me right off the bat he has the determination and work ethic to succeed. Palin's college experience doesn't tell me anything, other than it took her five tries at five colleges.

Someone give me something that can change my mind, and I will...but so far I'm just basing my decision on the facts I've gathered for myself. The rest of you seem to just keep name calling because its the only way you can "defend her".

[achiro]

Have you met her? Describe to me some of her OWN thoughts that prove she can have any sort of rational thought process.
She's the Governor of a ****ing state! What do you do for a living?


Speeches don't impress me much because I know people wrote them for the candidates. Obama's speeches weren't written by him either, but when he gets interviewed, I can tell he is intelligent with the way he responds. Also, he has some ideas of his own, some of them bad, some of them good. But at least he is intelligently defending them.
If Obama doesn't have a teleprompter in front of him or a question that he can use a canned answer for he does a lot of um um um ah uh stuff. I agree that he is a very smart man, no question but don't tell me he looks good in all interviews.


I haven't seen one interview Palin did good in. I don't care how much they chopped it up, it's not like they dubbed in some of the stupid stuff she has said.
Have you seen either of Hannity's interviews? She did fine in those. PLease tell me anything stupid you've seen her say? :rolleyes:


And to those that were saying her 5 college years at 5 colleges doesn't make her dumb, you're partially right, but it definitely proves to me she isn't all that smart. Obama and Harvard Law School tells me right off the bat he has the determination and work ethic to succeed. Palin's college experience doesn't tell me anything, other than it took her five tries at five colleges.
Everyones life experiences are different. Who knows what her reasons were? I went to 5 different undergrad schools, it had nothing to do with my GPA or smarts, it was about family responsibities. But whatever. keep trying


All I am saying here folks is that it is lame to ty to insult her intelligence when she has accomplished the things she has in life. Argue her policies all you want but until you've met her and talked to her one on one, you don't know and don't act like you do.:rolleyes:

[jage]

She's the Governor of a ****ing state! What do you do for a living?

I'm a computer engineer at Hitachi. What does being governor of Alaska have to do with being smart? Hell, Bush is president of the US and he's dumber than a rock.



If Obama doesn't have a teleprompter in front of him or a question that he can use a canned answer for he does a lot of um um um ah uh stuff. I agree that he is a very smart man, no question but don't tell me he looks good in all interviews.

Ok, he looks good in most interviews. How's that?


Have you seen either of Hannity's interviews? She did fine in those. PLease tell me anything stupid you've seen her say? :rolleyes:

No, I honestly didn't see those. I hate Hannity. But in all seriousness, please inform me of something she said that made her seem intelligent. Like I said, I'm willing to change my mind if people prove me wrong.



Everyones life experiences are different. Who knows what her reasons were? I went to 5 different undergrad schools, it had nothing to do with my GPA or smarts, it was about family responsibities. But whatever. keep trying

What did you get your degree in? I'm sorry if I offend anyone, but Journalism isn't exactly a hard major by any means. Ask homey (I think that's who I'm thinking of), law school is hard. My right nut could get a journalism degree if it wanted to.

My wife has gone to 3 different colleges, but I don't think she's dumb. Hell she was going into Meteorology for a little while (which is way harder than my major).:gary:

I'm not calling you dumb either, but you don't have the chance to potentially become president, so I'm not going to hold you to the same level of scrutiny as I do her.



All I am saying here folks is that it is lame to ty to insult her intelligence when she has accomplished the things she has in life. Argue her policies all you want but until you've met her and talked to her one on one, you don't know and don't act like you do.:rolleyes:

I hope you don't roll your eyes that much in person. :P

Seriously though, I'm just asking for some proof that she is intelligent, is that asking too much?

[C&CDean]

How about you just prove she's as dumb as y'all say there Mr. Computer Engineer for Hyyyytachi. And FWIW, Bush would pwn you in Scrabble.

[Sooner_Havok]

How about you just prove she's as dumb as y'all say there Mr. Computer Engineer for Hyyyytachi. And FWIW, Bush would pwn you in Scrabble.

No, we don't have to prove she's dumb. Those that say she isn't have to prove it. Come on man, you know the rules :D

I still don't see why you guys got you nuts all twisted up over this. OMG!! Someone one the internets said something bad about a politician I like ZOMG!!!!!1 :rolleyes:

[C&CDean]

No, we don't have to prove she's dumb. Those that say she isn't have to prove it. Come on man, you know the rules :D

I still don't see why you guys got you nuts all twisted up over this. OMG!! Someone one the internets said something bad about a politician I like ZOMG!!!!!1 :rolleyes:

Are you ****ing kidding me? I don't even look at her as a politician. I look at her as a semi-attractive bimbo who most closely resembles the average American. The average American isn't a Mensan (is that a word?). The average American doesn't have a name like BHO. The average American isn't a smoove operatah from Chitown. No, the average American is an imperfect POS just trying to get by. That's exactly why I like the girl.

And if you think anybody on here is all nut twisted then you're blind, mute, dumb, and stupid. Look at any thread that knocks your saviour if you really wanna see zealous silliness. In spades. Hey, you didn't say that...

Meh x a brazillion.

[jage]

How about you just prove she's as dumb as y'all say there Mr. Computer Engineer for Hyyyytachi. And FWIW, Bush would pwn you in Scrabble.

You make it sound like I'm bragging, but if you read his question, I was merely answering him when he asked what I do for a living.


Why I think she is dumb / things she's said that bug me:

1. Being in Alaska gives her foreign policy because of Russia. This bugs me because geographically, there is only one place in Alaska that one would actually be able to see Russia from. Hell, I saw TJ in Mexico, but that doesn't give me foreign policy experience...just experience getting drunk off tequila:D The fact that she truly believes this is weird to me, and makes me question her intelligence level.

2. Her interviews that I've seen. Whether it's simple questions about what type of magazines she reads, or whether it's about what a VP's role is (NOT A POWER OVER THE SENATE!), she just doesn't come across as intelligent. When your own party won't let you talk to the press, it gives me the impression that even her own party doesn't have too much confidence in her.

3. Her speech don't ya know! All the folksy you betchya gosh darnit stuff definitely doesn't scream I'M REALLY SMART! To me it comes across very fake and makes me uncomfortable watching her.

4. Hockey mom pageant queen. Sure it's cool, I knew some hockey mom's and they were pretty intense! But I never thought about going up to them and starting a discussion on anything that requires thought or problem solving. Same with pageant queens and the like. I'm sure there are some smart ones out there, but I have yet to meet one that would make a good president or vice president.

5. The way she handles herself in public. She places a lot of blame on people, many times in her own party. Most intelligent people I know can take hits when they deserve them, rather than continually blaming others.


Let me know if you need more.

[jage]

Are you ****ing kidding me? I don't even look at her as a politician. I look at her as a semi-attractive bimbo who most closely resembles the average American.

Umm...exactly? If you don't think of her as a politician, then why would you elect her as one?

Would you rather the engineers who design your car BE ACTUAL ENGINEERS, or just some nice dudes that you'd like to have a beer with? People work hard to get the positions and roles they have in society because that is what they are good at. If she was a good politician, then I'd vote for her, but she's not. She's exactly what you said she is.

[C&CDean]

So far you're batting .000.

You stated a bunch of opinion and we all know how those are.

One thing I do have to take you to task on though. Her "foreign policy" experience with Russia being just across the bay trumps your boy's FP experience ten-fold. How sad is that? Brack's closest rub with anything "foreign" is dealing with those crazy Pollacks over in Wisconsin.

[C&CDean]

Umm...exactly? If you don't think of her as a politician, then why would you elect her as one?

Would you rather the engineers who design your car BE ACTUAL ENGINEERS, or just some nice dudes that you'd like to have a beer with? People work hard to get the positions and roles they have in society because that is what they are good at. If she was a good politician, then I'd vote for her, but she's not. She's exactly what you said she is.

Now you're hitting .00000. I'm a mechanic by trade. What engineers do is **** everything up and then rely on mechanics to fix it. Look at European cars. Mega POS. Some Saabs have to have the engine pulled to change spark plugs. Why? Cause some dumbass engineer didn't think that far ahead. If I have my choice to vote for a person or a politician I'll take the person every time. Politicians = lawyers, and we all know them mother****ers don't we?

[jage]

So far you're batting .000.
You stated a bunch of opinion and we all know how those are.


Proof? Ok then, lets try and prove it just for fun.

Assume Palin is indeed not dumb. Let's also assume that a reasonable amount of correct intelligent answers to qualify for president is at least greater than 50%, which would prove that she is more intelligent than she is dumb.

I have come up with five things that show she is indeed dumb. Now you come up with five things that show she is actually not dumb at all. If you come up with five arguments and can defend them. Then we'll agree that she is neither dumb or intelligent. If you can come up with five things and argue against any of my 5 as showing that one of my five shows her intelligence, then you can prove she is indeed smart. If you can't do that, we can agree that she is not intelligent.

Would that be a better (not scientific at all) proof to you?


One thing I do have to take you to task on though. Her "foreign policy" experience with Russia being just across the bay trumps your boy's FP experience ten-fold. How sad is that? Brack's closest rub with anything "foreign" is dealing with those crazy Pollacks over in Wisconsin.

When did Obama say he has tons of FP experience though? Like I said, intelligent people know when to take a hit, rather than blame other people or come up with something crazy like the whole Russia thing. Everyone knows that McCain has way more FP experience. But that wasn't the point or topic of this thread. Palin is the topic of discussion.

[JohnnyMack]

How about you just prove she's as dumb as y'all say there Mr. Computer Engineer for Hyyyytachi. And FWIW, Bush would pwn you in Scrabble.

Ummm, "strategery" is not a word Mr. President. Take it off the board.

[jage]

Now you're hitting .00000. I'm a mechanic by trade. What engineers do is **** everything up and then rely on mechanics to fix it. Look at European cars. Mega POS. Some Saabs have to have the engine pulled to change spark plugs. Why? Cause some dumbass engineer didn't think that far ahead. If I have my choice to vote for a person or a politician I'll take the person every time. Politicians = lawyers, and we all know them mother****ers don't we?

It was analogy. Wouldn't you be pissed if Sarah Palin walked into your garage and applied for a mechanic job, and when asked about previous mechanic like experience, she replied "Well my husband works for an oil company, and cars use oil, so that means I could be a mechanic!"

Btw, I think your a cool dude Dean, and I'm not trying to get you riled up or angry. Just having a fun convo with ya. :cool:

Oh yeah, and .000 = .00000 ;)

[C&CDean]

Ummm, "strategery" is not a word Mr. President. Take it off the board.

Like hell it ain't. I'm the galdamn President. And don't forget nukular too.

Don't worry boys, you're gonna get your dream prez. A know-nothing smooth operator brother not from the hood. I just hope folks don't blame him for every little problem and ill that comes along like they have the poor sap from Texas.

[Sooner_Havok]

Are you ****ing kidding me? I don't even look at her as a politician. I look at her as a semi-attractive bimbo who most closely resembles the average American. The average American isn't a Mensan (is that a word?). The average American doesn't have a name like BHO. The average American isn't a smoove operatah from Chitown. No, the average American is an imperfect POS just trying to get by. That's exactly why I like the girl.

And if you think anybody on here is all nut twisted then you're blind, mute, dumb, and stupid. Look at any thread that knocks your saviour if you really wanna see zealous silliness. In spades. Hey, you didn't say that...

Meh x a brazillion.

So she is a bimbo now? If that is what you think, then why are you standing up for the bitch when we call her dumb? You sure as hell don't seem to think to highly of her, what with calling her an "imperfect POS just trying to get by." Seems that the only difference is I don't want a dumb bimbo in a position to become POTUS, you do.

Why do you hate America Dean? Doesn't America deserve more than a dumb bimbo?

[C&CDean]

It was analogy. Wouldn't you be pissed if Sarah Palin walked into your garage and applied for a mechanic job, and when asked about previous mechanic like experience, she replied "Well my husband works for an oil company, and cars use oil, so that means I could be a mechanic!"

Btw, I think your a cool dude Dean, and I'm not trying to get you riled up or angry. Just having a fun convo with ya. :cool:

Oh yeah, and .000 = .00000 ;)

pffft. I got kids older than you. I've got cars and motorcycles older than you. Hell, I take ****s that are older than you. Get me riled up? Not happening. JM can get me riled up though when he purses them purdy lips...

[jage]

Like hell it ain't. I'm the galdamn President. And don't forget nukular too.

Don't worry boys, you're gonna get your dream prez. A know-nothing smooth operator brother not from the hood. I just hope folks don't blame him for every little problem and ill that comes along like they have the poor sap from Texas.


He's nowhere near a "dream prez". Just sadly the lesser of two evils in my opinion.

[Sooner_Havok]

pffft. I got kids older than you. I've got cars and motorcycles older than you. Hell, I take ****s that are older than you. Get me riled up? Not happening. JM can get me riled up though when he purses them purdy lips...

And Fraggle, don't forget him. He seemed to rile you up pretty good last night. Hell, you got mad enough to tell him he ain't ever lived. That doesn't seem like a very nice thing to tell someone.

[C&CDean]

So she is a bimbo now? If that is what you think, then why are you standing up for the bitch when we call her dumb? You sure as hell don't seem to think to highly of her, what with calling her an "imperfect POS just trying to get by." Seems that the only difference is I don't want a dumb bimbo in a position to become POTUS, you do.

Why do you hate America Dean? Doesn't America deserve more than a dumb bimbo?

So, what you're saying is you want an inexperienced guy who acts like an average politician to be the president. Cool. You take the polished turd, I'll take the average hack, thank you very much. I've pretty much had my fill of average politicians. Pretty sad when a common wench from Alaska is a better choice ain't it?

[C&CDean]

And Fraggle, don't forget him. He seemed to rile you up pretty good last night. Hell, you got mad enough to tell him he ain't ever lived. That doesn't seem like a very nice thing to tell someone.

Fraggle can fight his own battles. He's a first-string God hater. You're just a bench warmer.

[JohnnyMack]

Dear dumb dumb,

I will be in Baltimore Nov. 19 - 21.

You?

[C&CDean]

I'm here now sweetcheeks. I'll be here next week too. I will not be here the 19-21st. You probably won't either cause by then we'll be a socialist republic and you'll have to go to work for a living.

[JohnnyMack]

I wanted to go to that new movie theater across from the James Joyce. You fail at this.

[Sooner_Havok]

So, what you're saying is you want an inexperienced guy who acts like an average politician to be the president. Cool. You take the polished turd, I'll take the average hack, thank you very much. I've pretty much had my fill of average politicians. Pretty sad when a common wench from Alaska is a better choice ain't it?

Ok, you take the freshly produced turd then. You know, the one who knows **** about the constitution, or any country not named USA, USA!!!!!!!


Fraggle can fight his own battles. He's a first-string God hater. You're just a bench warmer.

Damn, guess I am a second stringer at everything I do, well at least according to you.

[C&CDean]

There's a new rub-one-out theater down there?

I pretty much stay down in Columbia/Elkridge/Jessup these days. It's a lot cheaper to eat/drink, and I can crawl back to the hotel room. I go up to the inner harbor every now and then and when I walk past Max's I always think "that's where that ******* likes to go." You should feel honored.

[Sooner_Havok]

...by then we'll be a socialist republic and you'll have to go to work for a living.

So that is why socialism is bad, it forces people to work! Now I see why Obama is so bad. You won me over Dean, if I don't have to have a job under McCain, I am voting for him!

[C&CDean]

Ok, you take the freshly produced turd then. You know, the one who knows **** about the constitution, or any country not named USA, USA!!!!!!!



Damn, guess I am a second stringer at everything I do, well at least according to you.

Are you still babbling? Go vote for your boy. I could give a ****. In 5 years I'll still be happy and blessed just like I've been for decades and like I am now. You'll still be a miserable whiner complaining about whoever/whatever situation you're in. Momma says that some people are just that way.

[Sooner_Havok]

Are you still babbling? Go vote for your boy. I could give a ****. In 5 years I'll still be happy and blessed just like I've been for decades and like I am now. You'll still be a miserable whiner (personal attack again? I ain't Fraggle, I ain't to nice to return your attack in kind) complaining about whoever/whatever situation you're in. Momma says that some people are just that way.

You still in this thread trying to convince people that the stupid bimbo is good for America? In 5 years you will be 5 years closer to wearing depends and I will be enjoying the prime of my life. Hope the market crash didn't cost you too much, sense you are clearly to proud to suck at the government teat and take Social Security. And as far as your momma goes, I'm sure she said a lot of stupid **** during her life, just look at the way you turned out.

[sooneron]

The things I learned in this thread.

Fruitflies are being studied.

JM and Dean will still have Baltimore

Dean has major wood for the pit bull and will vote for her b/c she's average.

Right?

[tommieharris91]

You still in this thread trying to convince people that the stupid bimbo is good for America? In 5 years you will be 5 years closer to wearing depends and I will be enjoying the prime of my life. Hope the market crash didn't cost you too much, sense you are clearly to proud to suck at the government teat and take Social Security. And as far as your momma goes, I'm sure she said a lot of stupid **** during her life, just look at the way you turned out.

He is heavily invested in mason jars. It probably didn't hurt him a bit.

[C&CDean]

The things I learned in this thread.

Fruitflies are being studied.

JM and Dean will still have Baltimore

Dean has major wood for the pit bull and will vote for her b/c she's average.

Right?

You got all that outta this thread?

Wood? I mean I'd hit it and all, but that ain't why I like her. I like her cause she's your average American. And last time I checked, she ain't even running for prez. I am voting for her running mate though.

[sooneron]

You got all that outta this thread?

Wood? I mean I'd hit it and all, but that ain't why I like her. I like her cause she's your average American. And last time I checked, she ain't even running for prez. I am voting for her running mate though.

I'm curious, aside from his name and his ability to reach the best level of academia, how is Barack not an average American? He came from very little and pretty much made himself what he is today (with the help of handlers as he went along, not unlike SP). And I would pwn W at scrabble.

[C&CDean]

You still in this thread trying to convince people that the stupid bimbo is good for America? In 5 years you will be 5 years closer to wearing depends and I will be enjoying the prime of my life. Hope the market crash didn't cost you too much, sense you are clearly to proud to suck at the government teat and take Social Security. And as far as your momma goes, I'm sure she said a lot of stupid **** during her life, just look at the way you turned out.

You ain't so good at this deal. In 5 years, Depends and all, I'm still twice the man you'll ever be. I don't invest in the stock market and if you do then I feel sorry for you. I do not, and will not ever have Social Security benefits because I've never paid into it, and I've never taken a dime from my government. I'm fairly confident I could buy and sell you several times over, and yes, my momma has said a lot of stupid **** in her lifetime, but she didn't **** out a stupid child like yours did.

You gonna keep this **** up all night? I'm getting tired.

[sooneron]

I do not, and will not ever have Social Security benefits because I've never paid into it,

:confused:

how is that?

No money in the market? Why do you hate America and capitalism?

[C&CDean]

I'm curious, aside from his name and his ability to reach the best level of academia, how is Barack not an average American? He came from very little and pretty much made himself what he is today (with the help of handlers as he went along, not unlike SP). And I would pwn W at scrabble.

Let's just say the roads each of them traveled to get where they are today are miles and miles apart. And GWB would take you behind the woodshed and paddle you at Scrabble. You don't have to talk smart to be good at that game you know.

[sooneron]

Let's just say the roads each of them traveled to get where they are today are miles and miles apart. And GWB would take you behind the woodshed and paddle you at Scrabble. You don't have to talk smart to be good at that game you know.

Dude, he's just another average American that you so love, he just happened to be born into a really bitchin bank account.

[C&CDean]

:confused:

how is that?

No money in the market? Why do you hate America and capitalism?

Civil service. Old school. I love America and capitalism. You youngsters forget that some of us have brought ourselves along with hard work, not savvy investments. Every dime I have I earned. I didn't invest it wisely or make $$ off somebody elses labor. The money I save is in 0 risk (low to average return) stuff. I believe in cash. The market may crumble, but until paper money becomes worthless, I'm good. And even then, I've got cattle, land, equipment, etc. to make ends meet, not a broker with a promise.

[sooneron]

Damn, I forgot to work hard! :rolleyes:

We need a middle finger emoticon.

Having solid investments that are not risky is always the way to diversify. We have more than 50% of investments in low yield. Making money off the labor of others is the American way. It is what drives the economy. I'm not talking about inflated IPOs or tech bubbles, I'm talking about blue chips and solid earners.

[C&CDean]

Damn, I forgot to work hard! :rolleyes:

We need a middle finger emoticon.

Having solid investments that are not risky is always the way to diversify. We have more than 50% of investments in low yield. Making money off the labor of others is the American way. It is what drives the economy. I'm not talking about inflated IPOs or tech bubbles, I'm talking about blue chips and solid earners.
So, what you're saying is that you're pretty much ****ed huh? Bummer. Sucks to be you...

"Diversify" to me is buying brangus instead of registered angus. Either way I can sell them tomorrow, eat them, or have them mow my pasture. Blue chips? Solid earners? I've got a bull named Mike Tyson who cost me $1,200 5 years ago. That bull has made me over $75K since. You got a stock that'll do that?

I ain't bagging on you brother, but you jumped in this dealio. I hate seeing people losing their asses on the market, but then again I've been called a dumbass for not investing in it. **** has a way of coming home to roost.

[olevetonahill]

I Invest in Mason Jars,
One pint at a time .;)

[Sooner_Havok]

You ain't so good at this deal. In 5 years, Depends and all, I'm still twice the man you'll ever be. I don't invest in the stock market and if you do then I feel sorry for you. I do not, and will not ever have Social Security benefits because I've never paid into it, and I've never taken a dime from my government. I'm fairly confident I could buy and sell you several times over, and yes, my momma has said a lot of stupid **** in her lifetime, but she didn't **** out a stupid child like yours did.

You gonna keep this **** up all night? I'm getting tired.

Na, I'm done. I can get baned. Have fun making fun of others and attacking them personally. I would go toe to toe with ya, I really would, but I like a lot of people on this board and I don't want to get baned for saying too much stupid **** to the wrong person (you).

[C&CDean]

I Invest in Mason Jars,
One pint at a time .;)

Pints? I need quart jars to hold my ****.

[olevetonahill]

Pints? I need quart jars to hold my ****.

Well I do have larger sizes .;)

[C&CDean]

Na, I'm done. I can get baned. Have fun making fun of others and attacking them personally. I would go toe to toe with ya, I really would, but I like a lot of people on this board and I don't want to get baned for saying too much stupid **** to the wrong person (you).

Cool. You ain't gonna get baned giving me ****. Not by me anyhow. Just don't give other people the same business. Plus, you need to understand that I don't make fun of others or attack them personally. I poke fun, and if they take it seriously then oh well. If they take it and give it in the spirit it's given then it's good. If they don't, then oh well too. I'd love to go toe to toe too, but I'm going to bed. It's getting late on the east coast.

[olevetonahill]

Cool. You ain't gonna get baned giving me ****. Not by me anyhow. Just don't give other people the same business. Plus, you need to understand that I don't make fun of others or attack them personally. I poke fun, and if they take it seriously then oh well. If they take it and give it in the spirit it's given then it's good. If they don't, then oh well too. I'd love to go toe to toe too, but I'm going to bed. It's getting late on the east coast.

Punannie .:P

[C&CDean]

Punannie .:P

Says the ****er who's been sleeping all day.

[olevetonahill]

Says the ****er who's been sleeping all day.

Guilty
I succs the Gov. tit .:cool:

[Tulsa_Fireman]

Diggin' deep here, been over ten years since I walked the streets of Baltimore.

On Joppa Road (I think), west of the big mall off the Pulaski highway. North part of Baltimore County. Irish bar. Best damn corned beef hoagies known to mankind.

The thick chunks, not the ****ty shaved New York queer ****, either. Frickin' gold.

[Sooner_Havok]

Cool. You ain't gonna get baned giving me ****. Not by me anyhow. Just don't give other people the same business. Plus, you need to understand that I don't make fun of others or attack them personally. I poke fun, and if they take it seriously then oh well. If they take it and give it in the spirit it's given then it's good. If they don't, then oh well too. I'd love to go toe to toe too, but I'm going to bed. It's getting late on the east coast.

Nah, its all cool man. You'd be surprised what it takes to actually get me pissed off. So long as your cool with it, I was pretty much just trying to **** you off. (Shouldn't of taken away my god damed troll!!!!!) I'm just pretty sure you're the one with the bane hammer, and to be quite honest, I don't think you're dumb enough to use it on yourself. Other mods, sure, you...I may have been born at night, but not last night :D

[tommieharris91]

Guilty
I succs the Gov. tit .:cool:

Bastard suckin away my tax money. ;)

[olevetonahill]

Bastard suckin away my tax money. ;)

But at least its going to a Great cause .
The OVJ brewery :cool:

[Fraggle145]

But at least its going to a Great cause .
The OVJ brewery :cool:

To be honest... I think this is the best post of the thread. I hope we can get more handouts to vet to expand his stilling capacity! :D

[Fraggle145]

And for the record, I'd still pwn W and Palin at Scrabble.

[LosAngelesSooner]

She's the Governor of a ****ing state! What do you do for a living?
Apparently it's harder to win Miss Alaska than it is to get elected Governor of Alaska.

Color me unimpressed.

;)

[soonerhubs]

Question: What will the MSM do when their god is in the presidency and the majority in both houses are Democrats?

[sooneron]

So, what you're saying is that you're pretty much ****ed huh? Bummer. Sucks to be you...

"Diversify" to me is buying brangus instead of registered angus. Either way I can sell them tomorrow, eat them, or have them mow my pasture. Blue chips? Solid earners? I've got a bull named Mike Tyson who cost me $1,200 5 years ago. That bull has made me over $75K since. You got a stock that'll do that?

I ain't bagging on you brother, but you jumped in this dealio. I hate seeing people losing their asses on the market, but then again I've been called a dumbass for not investing in it. **** has a way of coming home to roost.

No, I'm not ****ed. My location is a way of poking fun at what is going on.

Good for you on the cattle. Psst, not everyone has a ranch or the ability to buy cows and such. (Just thought I'd let you in on that)
The market isn't **** if you know how to leverage. Go big on the solid stuff that will be around and low return bonds etc. Most people stay in this neighborhood and they have no business going all in on the big kill stocks (hot movers that are volatile) . Those that are losing their shirts are the ones that aren't diversified or they had a 401 that they were told would keep them solid when they hit the golden years. Just cause they have them doesn't make them stupid or even asking for **** to come home and roost.

[sooneron]

Question: What will the MSM do when their god is in the presidency and the majority in both houses are Democrats?

You guys that love the old "MSM is the debil" addage need to realize that ONE thing matters to them more than their agenda, it's cash. They love a juicy story (Clinton ring a bell?) more than the messiahs you perceive them to have. The sooner you guys realize that the almighty dollar is what drives the megalacorps that run the networks and news, the better.

[jage]

Oh come on! Nobody is going to argue my points?? That's no fun! :pop:

[sooneron]

Did you make any? :D

[jage]

Did you make any? :D

That's the best you got?!:P

[47straight]

Wow, Fraggle doesn't like Palin because she wouldn't deliver his kind of pork. Sorry that you weren't pandered to.

And when a recent world scrabble champion doesn't even speak english, while the analogy is amusing and self-congratulatory to you all, in the same way that I guess as the circle-jerking on the daily show of we're-so-smart-they're-so-dumb, it's actually ****ing stupid.

[JohnnyMack]

Wow, Fraggle doesn't like Palin because she wouldn't deliver his kind of pork. Sorry that you weren't pandered to.

And when a recent world scrabble champion doesn't even speak english, while the analogy is amusing and self-congratulatory to you all, in the same way that I guess as the circle-jerking on the daily show of we're-so-smart-they're-so-dumb, it's actually ****ing stupid.

You really think Sarah Palin doesn't deliver pork?

[C&CDean]

Jeez o pete JM, she takes the pork she doesn't deliver it. How the **** did you have kids?

[soonerhubs]

You guys that love the old "MSM is the debil" addage need to realize that ONE thing matters to them more than their agenda, it's cash. They love a juicy story (Clinton ring a bell?) more than the messiahs you perceive them to have. The sooner you guys realize that the almighty dollar is what drives the megalacorps that run the networks and news, the better.

I never called MSM the "debil". Stupid, asinine, completely biased, struggling with a wholesale identity crisis, hateful, self-loathing, childish, rebels without a real cause, and hypocritical? Yes, but not the devil. :D




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