Our First NON-US BORN CITIZEN President?

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

I know you board lefties don't like anything that emanates from Newsmax, but it's here, just in case you want to prove them wrong.

http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/obama_birth_certificate/2008/10/24/143882.html?s=al&promo_code=6E2D-1

[bri]

I'm so glad we have another thread about this. Thanks, dude!

[frankensooner]

psssst, bri, just add bill favor to your ignore list. ;)

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

psssst, bri, just add bill favor to your ignore list. ;)A+

[bri]

No, f*ck that. Even if I add him to my ignore list, this stupid thread still sits there on the Oval like a turd. A turd that someone else already crapped out days ago.

So, no.

[King Crimson]

you don't see me posting huffington post stuff (which i don't read).

dig?

[Frozen Sooner]

http://www.fightthesmears.com.php5-9.websitetestlink.com/images/28.jpg

Something you should really try, Bill, is to read other people's threads rather than just start your own and then bump it after nobody replies.

You should also pay particular attention to the line at the bottom of this birth certificate, which Barack Obama provided several months ago.

[bri]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/54/Merge_sign.svg/600px-Merge_sign.svg.png

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

http://www.fightthesmears.com.php5-9.websitetestlink.com/images/28.jpg

Something you should really try, Bill, is to read other people's threads rather than just start your own and then bump it after nobody replies.

You should also pay particular attention to the line at the bottom of this birth certificate, which Barack Obama provided several months ago.What did you think of the article , Mike?

[Frozen Sooner]

I thought it was ridiculous. Obama has provided his birth certificate. I think the case will be thrown out as exceedingly silly.

[JLEW1818]

Yall think McCain has a chance?

[King Crimson]

newsmax is about a half step from printing stuff like "Reagan had the biggest crank i ever saw!"....says official white house bathroom attendant. "Clinton was tiny".

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

No matter whether he is or isn't a US born citizen, he will remain electable.

[sooneron]

I like how they put the pen in the yainch's hand. It's like saying, "she's bookish, cuz she has a pen in her hand."

:rolleyes:
http://imagec11.247realmedia.com/RealMedia/ads/Creatives/NewsMax/nm_inhouse_feb08/mccain_cantheywin_300x250.jpg

[JLEW1818]

Least they are not trying to make America socialist

[tommieharris91]

Least they are not trying to make America socialist

Actually, they are too.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Actually, they are too.Just not as much and not as fast as Obama. Hopefully, Palin can rub off (figuratively) on McCain.

[Half a Hundred]

Least they are not trying to make America socialist

What the hell does socialism even mean these days? Last time I checked, the gov't owns the banks now, which means they own the mortgages, which means they own the houses.

That isn't even socialism. That's straight out of Lenin's playbook

[tommieharris91]

Just not as much and not as fast as Obama. Hopefully, Palin can rub off (figuratively) on McCain.

You sure about that? The Repubs spending has been out of control. Even Reagan ran up the debt. McCain's plan really does mean more spending, about as much as Obama's plan in fact.

Also, all 3 senators running for Prez/VP voted for the financial bailout.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

You sure about that? The Repubs spending has been out of control. Even Reagan ran up the debt. McCain's plan really does mean more spending, about as much as Obama's plan in fact.

Also, all 3 senators running for Prez/VP voted for the financial bailout.Did I say McCAin enthralls me? A slim hope he will sorta maintain our military and not raise taxes as much as Obama would.

[Frozen Sooner]

By the way, it has been ruled by two separate District Courts that private citizens have no standing to challenge the standing of a Presidential candidate as a natural-born citizen. Thus, the suit has no merit. The cites are Robinson v. Bowen and Hollander v. McCain.

[JLEW1818]

All these people saying people should be equal are nuts. Can't wait till welfare criminals get the same opportunities as others who are doing right.

"Obama is gonna save us" typical response for a poor person. Save us from what ????

How is Bush making peoples lives so bad? People that are actually productive.

We don't need change, gas prices high here? What are they in Europe ?

[Scott D]

By the way, it has been ruled by two separate District Courts that private citizens have no standing to challenge the standing of a Presidential candidate as a natural-born citizen. Thus, the suit has no merit. The cites are Robinson v. Bowen and Hellander v. McCain.

Apparently he's been busy doing more than just running the Hollis Board. ;)

[Frozen Sooner]

All these people saying people should be equal are nuts. Can't wait till welfare criminals get the same opportunities as others who are doing right. Then we will see what people say.

"Obama is gonna save us" typical response for a poor person. Save us from what ????

How is Bush making peoples lives so bad? People that are actually productive.

We don't need change, gas prices high here? What are they in Europe ?

this makes me want to watch American History X

What exactly in the **** does this have to do with the thread at hand?

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

By the way, it has been ruled by two separate District Courts that private citizens have no standing to challenge the standing of a Presidential candidate as a natural-born citizen. Thus, the suit has no merit. The cites are Robinson v. Bowen and Hollander v. McCain.Not all that long ago, this would have surprised me.

[JLEW1818]

Cause Obama is worthless

[Harry Beanbag]

All these people saying people should be equal are nuts. Can't wait till welfare criminals get the same opportunities as others who are doing right.

"Obama is gonna save us" typical response for a poor person. Save us from what ????

How is Bush making peoples lives so bad? People that are actually productive.

We don't need change, gas prices high here? What are they in Europe ?


This post makes no sense whatsoever. Perhaps the drunkytown thread is better suited for you tonight.

[Frozen Sooner]

Not all that long ago, this would have surprised me.

Notice the second cite, by the way. :D

[Fraggle145]

No, f*ck that. Even if I add him to my ignore list, this stupid thread still sits there on the Oval like a turd. A turd that someone else already crapped out days ago.

So, no.

dont you mean like months ago... this thing is so white and crusty that the neighbors dog wouldnt eat it.

[Blue]

Was Obama born in the USA? Simple question?

[Frozen Sooner]

His birth certificate is posted in this very thread. As Hawai'i was indeed a part of the United States on the date of his birth, it is reasonable to assume that he was, indeed, born in the USA.

[bri]

Yeah, but is he dancing in the dark?

[Viking Kitten]

I would posit that he was born to run.

[lexsooner]

By the way, it has been ruled by two separate District Courts that private citizens have no standing to challenge the standing of a Presidential candidate as a natural-born citizen. Thus, the suit has no merit. The cites are Robinson v. Bowen and Hollander v. McCain.

It means the suit is procedurally flawed, so the court cannot review its merits and will dismiss it. More specifically, the court does not have subject matter jurisdiction over the action. I believe this has been the law over such suits for ages, so it's not some judicial conspiracy against the GOP. It's somewhat analogous to a taxpayer suing the IRS over some provision in the tax code, claiming it is unconstitutional. No standing, no federal court ruling. I can only imagine if courts allowed such suits. Tens of thousands of kooks would be suing political candidates they did not like, and millions would be suing the IRS, and others suing the Prez and cabinet members for policy doctrines with which they do not agree. So hopefully you can see why courts do not entertain such lawsuits brought by private citizens.

Bottom line: No conspiracy to deprive the GOP of a hearing - it's been the law for many decades.

[SleestakSooner]

I know you board lefties don't like anything that emanates from Newsmax, but it's here, just in case you want to prove them wrong.

http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/obama_birth_certificate/2008/10/24/143882.html?s=al&promo_code=6E2D-1



First, private citizens really do not have standing to file such a case--it is a matter for Congress. See District Court cases below.


Second, McCain was born in Panama and was NOT a US citizen at the time of his birth, but became a citizen due to a law passed the year after he was born that grandfathered him in, so it seems the Republican hold is even more tenuous than the Democratic one. Obama and McCain have both been challenged before, and have both passed muster.

Third, if he wasn't eligible, do you think there is ANY way in the world the Clintons missed that little nugget of info? Hilary is a Senator--she could have seen it brought to Congress, as the Constitution allows. Can you possibly imagine her, Bill, and their team of lawyers missing that?

Fourth, the Republican party, the Democratic party, and McCain all have teams of lawyers for this kind of thing...do you think the Republicans or McCain wouldn't have brought this up if they could have? Or that the Democratic party would risk him being their candidate if there was ANY chance he wasn't eligible?

Folks, it's just too late in the game for this stuff--it was all investigated and debunked by the courts themselves months and months ago. There are currently two cases filed by private citizens against Obama for this--and the courts are mostly ignoring them. Both individuals that filed have LONG histories of filing lawsuits for everything under the sun. If you are talking to someone who is spewing this mess, don't let them get away with it. It simply isn't true--just panic moves by people who can read the handwriting on the wall.

Lisa

Two United States District Courts have ruled that private citizens do not have standing to challenge the eligibility of candidates to appear on a presidential election ballot. Robinson v. Bowen, 567 F. Supp. 2d 1144 (N.D. Cal. 2008); Hollander v. McCain, 2008WL2853250 (D.N.H. 2008). In dicta in each of these cases, it was also opined that if the plaintiffs did have standing, the likelihood of success on the merits (which is part of the legal test for the issuance of a preliminary injunction) would be low. The opinion in one of the cases also cited to a statutory method[16] by which the eligibility of the President-elect to take office may be challenged in Congress.

All persons born in the United States, except those not subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. government (such as children of foreign diplomats) are citizens under the Fourteenth Amendment. Persons born in the United States, and persons born on foreign soil to two U.S. parents, are born American citizens and are classified as citizens at birth under 8 USC 1401.

[Frozen Sooner]

Actually, it was District Court rulings, not Supreme Court. And Obama's father was not a citizen.

[SleestakSooner]

Actually, it was District Court rulings, not Supreme Court. And Obama's father was not a citizen.


That is what I get for cutting and pasting someone elses email... fixed esquire like

[Rogue]

Just 10 more days of this and then a few weeks until the inauguration.
Sad that this time of year the clearer heads are actually the n00bs on the football board.

[85Sooner]

http://www.fightthesmears.com.php5-9.websitetestlink.com/images/28.jpg

Something you should really try, Bill, is to read other people's threads rather than just start your own and then bump it after nobody replies.

You should also pay particular attention to the line at the bottom of this birth certificate, which Barack Obama provided several months ago.

Interesting font for 1961 don't you think?

[proud gonzo]

Interesting font for 1961 don't you think?
yeah, because when you request a copy of a birth certificate, they have a magic time-machine-printer that gives you one actually printed the year the person was born.

[mdklatt]

McCain's the one that wasn't born in the US.

[Frozen Sooner]

Interesting font for 1961 don't you think?


yeah, because when you request a copy of a birth certificate, they have a magic time-machine-printer that gives you one actually printed the year the person was born.

Exactly.

I have no idea where my original birth certificate is. I have one that was printed in 2006 though, 'cause I needed a document to prove citizenship. The font looks about like that document. Are you claiming that I was born in Kenya?

REGARDLESS it's a red herring. He was born to a US Citizen. He's a natural-born citizen. He could have been born on Mars and would still have been a natural-born citizen.

This whole thing makes the people pushing it look absolutely idiotic.

[85Sooner]

yeah, because when you request a copy of a birth certificate, they have a magic time-machine-printer that gives you one actually printed the year the person was born.

Actually, when you get a certified copy of your B cert it has the original writing on it when it was filed genious.
There are generally two types of B Certs Original copies and heirloom copies. I am not saying it is fake I just remember my copies have the original typeface on them

[Frozen Sooner]

Actually, when you get a certified copy of your B cert it has the original writing on it when it was filed genious.
There are generally two types of B Certs Original copies and heirloom copies. I am not saying it is fake I just remember my copies have the original typeface on them

OK, sorry, but I always find this particular misspelling hilarious.

Anyhow, that may be the case where you're born, but do you know for certain that's the case in Hawai'i?

[JohnnyMack]

I think that if at this point in the election you think that either the Clinton Machine or the RNC missed this you are a fu*king idiot.

[lexsooner]

What is it about conspiracy theorists? They start with a premise that something is the truth, i.e. Obama was not born in the U.S., the govt. has aliens on ice in New Mexico, whatever. And then with that premise or presumption firmly believed to be the truth (because they so badly want it to be true), they find ways or defenses to try and refute any information, however credible, which is a threat to their original "factual" conclusion, and take information, however non-credible or out of context, and hold it up as proof of their belief. It's ars backwards to logical reasoning, and if more people engaged in this primitive and irrational method of thinking we would still be living in the stone ages worshipping the moon or something.

[NYC Poke]

By the way, it has been ruled by two separate District Courts that private citizens have no standing to challenge the standing of a Presidential candidate as a natural-born citizen. Thus, the suit has no merit. The cites are Robinson v. Bowen and Hollander v. McCain.


And, naturally, this case was dismissed on standing grounds.


Judge tosses lawsuit challenging Obama citizenship

Oct 25 03:37 PM US/Eastern
164 Comments

PHILADELPHIA (AP) - A federal judge has dismissed a lawsuit challenging Barack Obama's qualifications to be president.
U.S. District Judge R. Barclay Surrick on Friday night rejected the suit by attorney Philip J. Berg, who alleged that Obama was not a U.S. citizen and therefore ineligible for the presidency. Berg claimed that Obama is either a citizen of his father's native Kenya or became a citizen of Indonesia after he moved there as a boy.

Obama was born in Hawaii to an American mother and a Kenyan father. His parents divorced and his mother married an Indonesian man.

Internet-fueled conspiracy theories question whether Obama is a "natural-born citizen" as required by the Constitution for a presidential candidate and whether he lost his citizenship while living abroad.

Surrick ruled that Berg lacked standing to bring the case, saying any harm from an allegedly ineligible candidate was "too vague and its effects too attenuated to confer standing on any and all voters."

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D941NCJG0&show_article=1

Did you bother to look at any of Berg's filings? He's an idiot.

[85Sooner]

I think that if at this point in the election you think that either the Clinton Machine or the RNC missed this you are a fu*king idiot.

Yup. The clinton machine would not have missed this.

[Frozen Sooner]

And, naturally, this case was dismissed on standing grounds.



http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D941NCJG0&show_article=1

Did you bother to look at any of Berg's filings? He's an idiot.

I haven't had a chance yet. Considering the guy is filing a suit that a competent first year would know had no chance, I figured I wouldn't need to. :D

[mikeelikee]

The guy that filed the suit is a life-long Democrat, and the former chief law enforcement officer (Attorney General) of the State of Pennsylvania. Jus' sayin'....

[NYC Poke]

He was a Deputy AG and a Hillary bitter-ender. As someone who has dealt with states attorney general offices, I can tell you that not all of them are rocket scientists. I read his motion opposing Obama's dismissal motion, and the sections on immigration are long on argument, and short on law and evidence. When you see that, you know it is a loser.

Here's another article showing the kind of attorney Mr. Berg is:

http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1122023117263

[Rhino]

Every day, inching towards Idiocracy.

[Sooner_Havok]

Every day, inching towards Idiocracy.

Do you have to bring up that movie? Jeebus, waste of ****ing time.

:D :D :D

[Rhino]

waste of ****ing time. ...like this thread.

[Sooner_Havok]

...like this thread.

Now that you mention it... TO THE COMMERCIAL THREAD!

[Frozen Sooner]

OW! My balls!

[SleestakSooner]

I like money.

[SoonerKnight]

http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate



:rolleyes: Nice try! Oh and his mother was white and a citizen! :eek:

[SoonerKnight]

§ 1401. Nationals and citizens of United States at birth



The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;
(b) a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe: Provided, That the granting of citizenship under this subsection shall not in any manner impair or otherwise affect the right of such person to tribal or other property;
(c) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person;
(d) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the birth of such person, and the other of whom is a national, but not a citizen of the United States;
(e) a person born in an outlying possession of the United States of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to the birth of such person;
(f) a person of unknown parentage found in the United States while under the age of five years, until shown, prior to his attaining the age of twenty-one years, not to have been born in the United States;
(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 288 of title 22 by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person
(A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or
(B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 288 of title 22, may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date; and
(h) a person born before noon (Eastern Standard Time) May 24, 1934, outside the limits and jurisdiction of the United States of an alien father and a mother who is a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, had resided in the United States.



Heres the law. If Obama was born in Kenya it still seems that he would be a citizen and elligible for President. Also, if he was not a citizen Natural or other wise it seems he would not have been elligible to be a U.S. Citizens as he would have had to take a citizenship test etc. I don't think he ever had a green card or had to take a citizenship test. So this argument is really weak!!!!!

[TheHumanAlphabet]

I thought it was ridiculous. Obama has provided his birth certificate. I think the case will be thrown out as exceedingly silly.

I read this story and thought the "legal theory" was weak sauce and stupid...

[NYC Poke]

American citizenship is something precious, and it is not something our great country takes lightly. You must take affirmative steps to renounce citizenship. The Supreme Court recently ruled, in the case of the so-called American Taliban John Walker Lindh, that taking up arms against our country was, of itself, not enough. You've basically got to go before a consular official and say, "I renounce my citizenship. I renounce my citizenship. I renounce my citizenship."

The idea that an 8-year-old boy could lose citizenship status from something his step-father wrote on a school application is chilling. The United States does not allow the actions of others or other countries to affect our citizenship laws, and with good reason. Imagine the absurd result if North Viet Nam had granted citizenship status to all POWs, and that somehow affected citizenship status of John McCain.

[Scott D]

you know, my edit of Mike Rich's post was the best post in this entire thread. You ****ing over politicized *********s.

[Viking Kitten]

I like money.

Go away! Baitin'!