The Aftermath

[Oldnslo]

There are soooo many ways for this election to go wrong, and not so many for them to go right. Take a look:

1) McCain wins. a) Should this occur, look for howling from minorities about voting fraud and other irregularities. The possibility that polls and newsreports of his pre-election inevitability are slanted to the democrats will not sway O's supporters. I would anticipate Great Unrest, and chants including "no justice, no peace" and other such stuff. b) d00d is in his 70s. suppose his health fails... then we get President Palin. Hey, as much as I respect her as Governor of Alaska and was enthralled by her speech at the convention, our prospective VPILF ain't ready to take the helm. Maybe given time, she'd rise to the occasion... I do get that feeling from her, but time is generally in short supply in emergencies.

2) Obama wins. a) Should this occur, look for Joe Biden to be right. Foreign powers may well take the time to attempt to test a newby to the arena. Fun times! b)Heaven forbid something happen to President Obama. In the case of natural causes, there would be no end to conspiracy theories. In the case of criminal action... <shudder> Race relations would be bad, and for a loooooong time. And just the thought that our great nation could be led by President Biden makes me cringe. c) Obama turns out to suck at President. Well, this would just be plain bad, as both foreign policy errors and domestic and international economic woes intertwine into a stygian knot of misery.

... so just about the only way I see the US of A not going through some serious disputes, is for Obama to win and be an awesome Pres.

Unfortunately, I think this possibility is a low percentage play.

So, what I think is going to happen is that we have a spectacularly short "honeymoon" with whomever takes the helm. Our next president will face the prospect of towering inflation. There may well be civil unrest and international disputes even beyond those which currently face us. I think we're in for a time of trouble. Sorry. We'll get over it and ultimately prevail, but the next several months or years will be a Time to Remember. I think.

I know it's more than popular to paint W as a nitwit. I don't think so. To paraphrase Dennis Miller, Al Gore and John Kerry need to get on their knees and thank whatever God to whom each prays that he didn't win the presidency. We might debate which of the 43 presidents history provides might have done better with the cards that were dealt since 2001. That's not my point, and I'm not sure which of the 43 I'd like to have going forward.

Instead, what I'm saying is that I think our next president, whichever one that is, will be guiding us through what may well be the most difficult years America has faced. And may God help us all.

[olevetonahill]

Never thot of it in those terms .
spek .

[JohnnyMack]

Dre?

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[SleestakSooner]

just wondering... why is it you don't have an option c) for McCain sucking as president? I feel it is at least as valid an option for him as it would be for Obama.

Also, why do you "cringe" at the thought of Biden in the Oval Office?

[Half a Hundred]

How about, the aftermath is that the president has to deal with a ton of stupid crap, just like every president beforehand. Most likely, the policy advisers will come up with a bunch of options. Some will work, some won't.

I don't understand why some people make the president out to be some sort of god-king. He's a glorified city manager. Other than control of the military, he holds mostly a bureaucratic role. Why do we try to make him/her out to be something almost superhuman and perfect?

[Ardmore_Sooner]

How about, the aftermath is that the president has to deal with a ton of stupid crap, just like every president beforehand. Most likely, the policy advisers will come up with a bunch of options. Some will work, some won't.

I don't understand why some people make the president out to be some sort of god-king. He's a glorified city manager. Other than control of the military, he holds mostly a bureaucratic role. Why do we try to make him/her out to be something almost superhuman and perfect?

Why do you hate superhumans?

[Edmond Sooner]

Excellent post.

[Half a Hundred]

Why do you hate superhumans?

Because I hate what I can never be

[SoonerInKCMO]

:les: DOOM!!

...AND GLOOM!! [hairGel]

[C&CDean]

:les: DOOM!!

...AND GLOOM!! [hairGel]

We've been listening to it from you pencil-necked dweezles for the past 8 years. "The worst presidency in the history of presidencies..." Meh. Just wait Sir Lefty, just wait.

The original post by Oldnslo was excellent. Something to think about for sure.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

Given the attrocities I have seen on the pro-Barry side, it could get quite ugly if the so-called "Bradley effect" occurs and McCain wins. I have never seen such vilification of people who are against Barry in any other election. Houses shot up, signs burned or removed (that is relatively minor), the vilification by SNL and other comedians, MSM biased coverage and lies in print, hatchet jobs on McCain's wife, the t-shirts declaring Palin is a Cu^#, on and on...

I won't add the alleged incident to the Texas woman, inconsistencies now and she is an Aggie...Though that doesn't mean she should have been attacked.

[SoonerInKCMO]

We've been listening to it from you pencil-necked dweezles for the past 8 years. "The worst presidency in the history of presidencies..." Meh. Just wait Sir Lefty, just wait.

The original post by Oldnslo was excellent. Something to think about for sure.

While not as fat as most Republicans, I do wear a 17 1/2 shirt - hardly 'pencil-necked'. ;)

[frankensooner]

the vilification by SNL

I guess you didn't see this past week's episode. Palin was there and I was very impressed.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

I guess you didn't see this past week's episode. Palin was there and I was very impressed.

Impressed by Palin or SNL?

I don't watch shows or pay to see concerts by activist actors/entertainers and people shouting their preferences while performing...

I stopped watching SNL long time ago because it was unfunny, perhaps it has gotten funny again.

[C&CDean]

While not as fat as most Republicans, I do wear a 17 1/2 shirt - hardly 'pencil-necked'. ;)

17 1/2?? Hell man, I take bigger ****s than that.

[oumartin]

What concerns me more than anything about Barry being POTUS is his allegance to those who are so Anti-Israel.

You people go ahead and have fun with this but its my true belief that this country is on a downward spiral because of our overall lack of Christian values. Our acceptance of same sex marriages, removing prayer from school, the ten commandments from courthouse lawns and now we are going to turn our backs on God's chosen people.
There are many that believe we were such a blessed country due to the fact that we supported Israel.

Maybe I am way off base but what if those of us that feel that the lack of moral fiber in this country and the general overall lack of christian faith has some hand in this countries demise.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

The election fraud alone is very troubling. Better hunker down.

[JohnnyMack]

What concerns me more than anything about Barry being POTUS is his allegance to those who are so Anti-Israel.

You people go ahead and have fun with this but its my true belief that this country is on a downward spiral because of our overall lack of Christian values. Our acceptance of same sex marriages, removing prayer from school, the ten commandments from courthouse lawns and now we are going to turn our backs on God's chosen people.
There are many that believe we were such a blessed country due to the fact that we supported Israel.

Maybe I am way off base but what if those of us that feel that the lack of moral fiber in this country and the general overall lack of christian faith has some hand in this countries demise.

It had nothing to do with greed or excess. It's because people didn't think like you.

[SoonerInKCMO]

17 1/2?? Hell man, I take bigger ****s than that.

That'll happen when you shove railroad spikes up your butt. :D

[oumartin]

It had nothing to do with greed or excess. It's because people didn't think like you

do you have a trouble comprehending?

I said I believe it has had a hand in the demise. I did not say it was the only reason.

[JohnnyMack]

its my true belief that this country is on a downward spiral because of our overall lack of Christian values.

Yep. Totally misinterpreted that one. Sorry.

[SoonerProphet]

What concerns me more than anything about Barry being POTUS is his allegance to those who are so Anti-Israel.

You people go ahead and have fun with this but its my true belief that this country is on a downward spiral because of our overall lack of Christian values. Our acceptance of same sex marriages, removing prayer from school, the ten commandments from courthouse lawns and now we are going to turn our backs on God's chosen people.
There are many that believe we were such a blessed country due to the fact that we supported Israel.

Maybe I am way off base but what if those of us that feel that the lack of moral fiber in this country and the general overall lack of christian faith has some hand in this countries demise.

Don't some Orthodox Jews views the existence of Israel and Zionism as a whole as a problem...are their values declining?

How does the existence of Israel have anything to do with our own national interests?

[TheHumanAlphabet]

What concerns me more than anything about Barry being POTUS is his allegance to those who are so Anti-Israel.

Which why I am baffled at the overwhelming Jew support?

[TheHumanAlphabet]

Also, why do you "cringe" at the thought of Biden in the Oval Office?

Because he lies, makes stuff up and is a plagiarist. And he is extremely liberal.

[SoonerProphet]

Which why I am baffled at the overwhelming Jew support?


Becasue not all Jews support Israel or Zionism.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

I fail to understand that - do they not want a "homeland"? I had not been aware of Hebrew non-Israelis not wanting Israel to exist?

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

Thank God, Israel was around from 1776 or we wouldn't have made it this far!!!

[TheHumanAlphabet]

Thank God, Israel was around from 1776 or we wouldn't have made it this far!!!

Huh???

I am no Israel lover, but I do think that since the U.N or LoN saw fit to make this a country or give them space, then they should be able to exist and the other countries in the region should get over it...

[shaun4411]

There are soooo many ways for this election to go wrong, and not so many for them to go right. Take a look:

1) McCain wins. a) Should this occur, look for howling from minorities about voting fraud and other irregularities. The possibility that polls and newsreports of his pre-election inevitability are slanted to the democrats will not sway O's supporters. I would anticipate Great Unrest, and chants including "no justice, no peace" and other such stuff. b) d00d is in his 70s. suppose his health fails... then we get President Palin. Hey, as much as I respect her as Governor of Alaska and was enthralled by her speech at the convention, our prospective VPILF ain't ready to take the helm. Maybe given time, she'd rise to the occasion... I do get that feeling from her, but time is generally in short supply in emergencies.



you forgot to mention the left labeling the 60+million mccain voters racists.

[SoonerProphet]

Huh???

I am no Israel lover, but I do think that since the U.N or LoN saw fit to make this a country or give them space, then they should be able to exist and the other countries in the region should get over it...

I fail to understand that - do they not want a "homeland"? I had not been aware of Hebrew non-Israelis not wanting Israel to exist?


On the first point, maybe they should practice a little reciprocity.

Plenty of reason why many Jewish groups do not believe in the existence of Israel, from the secular to religious.

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

There are many that believe we were such a blessed country due to the fact that we supported Israel.



That is what I was referring to. I was thinking that if we were SO blessed by the support of Israel...then what exactly did this country do from 1776 to the creation of Israel. Israel, in my opinion, has diddly **** to do with our success or failures.

[JohnnyMack]

Huh???

I am no Israel lover, but I do think that since the U.N or LoN saw fit to make this a country or give them space, then they should be able to exist and the other countries in the region should get over it...

By that argument wouldn't it be OK if we gave up say Florida, Georgia and Alabama and gave it back to the Native Americans and let them have their own sovereign nation?

[Vaevictis]

By that argument wouldn't it be OK if we gave up say Florida, Georgia and Alabama and gave it back to the Native Americans and let them have their own sovereign nation?

You forgot about the part where the UN mandated it, and we're supposed to just say "Okay, the UN said it, so we have to obey!"

[JohnnyMack]

You forgot about the part where the UN mandated it, and we're supposed to just say "Okay, the UN said it, so we have to obey!"

That would be awesome if all the tribes banded together and took it to the U.N.!

[TheHumanAlphabet]

By that argument wouldn't it be OK if we gave up say Florida, Georgia and Alabama and gave it back to the Native Americans and let them have their own sovereign nation?

They have them today... they are called reservations and the casino properties...

[Vaevictis]

They have them today... they are called reservations and the casino properties...

Except the Israelis actually got Israel back.

Last I checked, there were at least Five Tribes forced to live in land that isn't their homeland.

[lexsooner]

"There are soooo many ways for this election to go wrong, and not so many for them to go right. Take a look: 1) McCain wins. a) Should this occur, look for howling from minorities about voting fraud and other irregularities. The possibility that polls and newsreports of his pre-election inevitability are slanted to the democrats will not sway O's supporters. I would anticipate Great Unrest, and chants including "no justice, no peace" and other such stuff."

So far, the most howling about voter fraud has been from the GOP. I think the most likely post-election nightmare scenario is Obama winning by a slim margin, and the difference being a close race in a state or few states like Ohio, Florida, Pennsylvania. McCain's folks will then descend upon the state(s) and allege voter fraud by the Democrats. It will be Florida 2000 all over again.

[JohnnyMack]

As far as discontent goes, Obama is planning an election night rally in a park in Chicago. They're expecting 200k+ to attend. Think it'll be friendly if he were to lose?

[Half a Hundred]

"There are soooo many ways for this election to go wrong, and not so many for them to go right. Take a look: 1) McCain wins. a) Should this occur, look for howling from minorities about voting fraud and other irregularities. The possibility that polls and newsreports of his pre-election inevitability are slanted to the democrats will not sway O's supporters. I would anticipate Great Unrest, and chants including "no justice, no peace" and other such stuff."

So far, the most howling about voter fraud has been from the GOP. I think the most likely post-election nightmare scenario is Obama winning by a slim margin, and the difference being a close race in a state or few states like Ohio, Florida, Pennsylvania. McCain's folks will then descend upon the state(s) and allege voter fraud by the Democrats. It will be Florida 2000 all over again.

It's more like:

Democrats will complain about election fraud and faulty machines in minority areas. This will be a valid point, because it happens every election in the same places. Nothing will be done about it, because it happens every election in the same places. It's also seen as a Democratic ploy to add more provisional ballots to their total. That's too bad, because it's genuinely the biggest electoral issue when it comes to potential discrepancies, and should be a non-partisan issue.

Republicans will complain about voter fraud in many of these same areas. This may be a valid point, because often the resources are not there to properly verify everyone's identity. Not much will be done about it, because it happens every election in the same places. It's also seen as a Republican ploy to suppress minority voters and race-bait their base into greater turnout. That's too bad, because while the studies have shown it to not be that big of an issue, if it is happening, it should be stopped.

It's funny to me how naive we are about our elections process. It's like SEC football, if you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin'.