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85Sooner
10/19/2008, 12:21 PM
Rush Limbaugh said Colin Powell's decision to get behind Barack Obama appeared to be very much tied to Obama's status as the first African-American with a chance to become president.

"Secretary Powell says his endorsement is not about race," Limbaugh wrote in an email. "OK, fine. I am now researching his past endorsements to see if I can find all the inexperienced, very liberal, white candidates he has endorsed. I'll let you know what I come up with."

As for Powell's statement of concern this morning about the sort of Supreme Court justices a President McCain might appoint, Limbaugh wrote: "I was also unaware of his dislike for John Roberts, Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito, Anthony Kennedy and Antonin Scalia. I guess he also regrets Reagan and Bush making him a four-star [General] and Secretary of State and appointing his son to head the FCC. Yes, let's hear it for transformational figures."

bri
10/19/2008, 12:29 PM
Perhaps his endorsement has less to do with race and more to do with the fact that he was faced with a choice between two people, and simply chose the one he finds more palatable? Considering how things went for him with Dubya, you could hardly fault him for not wanting to get on board with Dubya 2: Electric Boogaloo.

Who am I kidding? Of course you can fault him. :D

Steve Lurkle
10/19/2008, 12:30 PM
Limbaugh's a windbag. He's the Michael Moore of the right. Did Powell endorse Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and Alan Keyes when they ran for POTUS? What a joke.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/10/19/sots.powell.obama.cnn

85Sooner
10/19/2008, 12:50 PM
Limbaugh's a windbag. He's the Michael Moore of the right. Did Powell endorse Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and Alan Keyes when they ran for POTUS? What a joke.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/10/19/sots.powell.obama.cnn

Except for his audience is rated to be one of the highest educated and he supports his facts 98% of the time and has over 650 stations and roughly 6 million listeners and is respected in almost every business area except liberal socialist journalist circles. Yup guess that makes him a windbag. A very influential, weathly, windbag.

JohnnyMack
10/19/2008, 12:54 PM
The right will do anything necessary to marginalize anything associated with Obama. They ignore Warren Buffet's endorsement and make the Powell endorsement about race. Shocking.

JohnnyMack
10/19/2008, 12:56 PM
Except for his audience is rated to be one of the highest educated and he supports his facts 98% of the time and has over 650 stations and roughly 6 million listeners and is respected in almost every business area except liberal socialist journalist circles. Yup guess that makes him a windbag. A very influential, weathly, windbag.

And a drug addict, don't forget that.

85Sooner
10/19/2008, 01:00 PM
And a drug addict, don't forget that.

When you walk in those shoes let me know. Ever been prescribed heavy doses of morphine for pain??????????? I have and its way easy.

Turd_Ferguson
10/19/2008, 01:01 PM
Drug addict comment from the left in 3...2...oh, wait.

Chuck Bao
10/19/2008, 01:28 PM
I agree with PG.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
10/19/2008, 01:32 PM
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SoonerInKCMO
10/19/2008, 01:36 PM
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tommieharris91
10/19/2008, 01:40 PM
Don't worry RLIMC, she's just doing to stop any sort of political discussion. But now it's Sunday and not OU Football Saturday, so carry on.

Ohh, and uhh take note of JM's point earlier in this thread. BTW I think his Obama endorsement is kind of strange.

Stoop Dawg
10/19/2008, 02:26 PM
Don't worry RLIMC, she's just doing to stop any sort of political discussion.

FYI - Ignore lists are handy in this situation.

Harry Beanbag
10/19/2008, 02:31 PM
I've never utilized the ignore list, but this looks like a good opportunity.

Curly Bill
10/19/2008, 02:34 PM
I've never utilized the ignore list, but this looks like a good opportunity.

Yup

Steve Lurkle
10/19/2008, 02:42 PM
Except for his audience is rated to be one of the highest educated and he supports his facts 98% of the time and has over 650 stations and roughly 6 million listeners and is respected in almost every business area except liberal socialist journalist circles. Yup guess that makes him a windbag. A very influential, weathly, windbag.

You're probably citing that study where they asked 3 political questions and see which audience got the most right. Hardly quantifiable. Even if you were right, stating that Powell, a West Point graduate four star general former secretary of state, endorsed Obama just because he's black is not a fact, it's a conjecture, and an insulting one at that. Plus I think he donated to McCain last year.

EDIT: Why not let Powell speak for himself. Video of endorsement on Meet the Press:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/27265490#27265490

EDIT2: Here's the picture he was referring to:

http://www.newyorker.com/images/2008/09/29/p465/080929_slideshowplaton16_p465.jpg

Okla-homey
10/19/2008, 02:44 PM
General Powell has the right to endorse anyone he chooses. Perhaps, if BHO wins, he will nominate Powell for some important cabinet post. That would have a desirable leveling effect on the cast of hard-lefties that would surely otherwise populate a BHO cabinet.

85Sooner
10/19/2008, 03:36 PM
You're probably citing that study where they asked 3 political questions and see which audience got the most right. Hardly quantifiable. Even if you were right, stating that Powell, a West Point graduate four star general former secretary of state, endorsed Obama just because he's black is not a fact, it's a conjecture, and an insulting one at that. Plus I think he donated to McCain last year.

EDIT: Why not let Powell speak for himself. Video of endorsement on Meet the Press:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/27265490#27265490

EDIT2: Here's the picture he was referring to:

http://www.newyorker.com/images/2008/09/29/p465/080929_slideshowplaton16_p465.jpg
Really don't know but it is interesting how a person who claims to be a republican can vote for the most liberal senator in washington. I thought it was an interesting blurb
and

Nope I am referring to arbitron ratings and demographics

Sooner_Bob
10/19/2008, 04:27 PM
Anyone else feel like neggin' pg for postin' that crap. My eyes are still flashing. :mad:

If you don't want to discuss politics just don't click on the thread . . . please.

Edmond Sooner
10/19/2008, 04:37 PM
You're probably citing that study where they asked 3 political questions and see which audience got the most right. Hardly quantifiable.

Oh, it is quite "quantifiable." Methinks you don't know what "quantifiable" means in this context, but it sounded good at the time and those who lack factual retorts usually cling to big words like Linus to his blankie.

Please try again.

soonerhubs
10/19/2008, 04:47 PM
Anyone else feel like neggin' pg for postin' that crap. My eyes are still flashing. :mad:

If you don't want to discuss politics just don't click on the thread . . . please.

I agree. It's ignorant and immature. Grow up PG!

My Opinion Matters
10/19/2008, 05:05 PM
I agree. It's ignorant and immature. Grow up PG!

I think its kinda hilarious.

soonerhubs
10/19/2008, 05:11 PM
I think its kinda hilarious.

I don't. I put her on ignore, but you shouldn't have to do that. Moderators should take care of what can only be described as obnoxious and problematic posts.

So you're tired of a topic. Big Deal! Don't post in it, and don't read it then. You don't see me posting obnoxious pictures that deflect readers around in other threads with topics that I find boring or tired. Quite simply, I ignore those threads.

That behavior can only be described as immature and rude. If it was only in one thread, I may find it humorous, but repeated threads means you are rude and inconsiderate.

KC//CRIMSON
10/19/2008, 05:38 PM
Perhaps his endorsement has less to do with race and more to do with the fact that he was faced with a choice between two people, and simply chose the one he finds more palatable? Considering how things went for him with Dubya, you could hardly fault him for not wanting to get on board with Dubya 2: Electric Boogaloo.

Who am I kidding? Of course you can fault him. :D


You snarky bastard! How dare you post something so well thought out and rational!

Steve Lurkle
10/19/2008, 05:45 PM
Really don't know but it is interesting how a person who claims to be a republican can vote for the most liberal senator in washington. I thought it was an interesting blurb
and

Nope I am referring to arbitron ratings and demographics

Well he gave his reasons, and he put it as eloquently as anyone who's voting for Obama could. I've never seen such a backlash from conservative pundits and bloggers for the Sarah Palin pick alone. Here are some just from what I can remember:

George Will, David Brooks, Kathleen Parker, Peggy Noonan (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122419210832542317.html), Christopher Buckley

Conservative bloggers with an audience:

Rod Dreher (http://blog.beliefnet.com/crunchycon/2008/09/palin-debacle-on-cbs-evening-n.html), Joshua Trevino (http://joshuatrevino.com/?p=682), Conor Friedersdorf (http://www.culture11.com/node/32519?page_view=1)

Have a link for that arbitron rating?

Steve Lurkle
10/19/2008, 05:47 PM
Oh, it is quite "quantifiable." Methinks you don't know what "quantifiable" means in this context, but it sounded good at the time and those who lack factual retorts usually cling to big words like Linus to his blankie.

Please try again.

I conceded to the possibility of 85Sooner being right, but we were not arguing about the composition of Rush's audience.

Turd_Ferguson
10/19/2008, 05:49 PM
Don't be a dick.No cursing in the SO.

Sooner_Havok
10/19/2008, 05:53 PM
No cursing in the SO.

Hey, I thought if the filters don't catch it it's all good :D

**** off dip ****, You are not the bad language ****** ******* :D :D

Turd_Ferguson
10/19/2008, 05:56 PM
Hey, I thought if the filters don't catch it it's all good :D

**** off dip ****, You are not the bad language ****** ******* :D :D heh.
George Carlin's seven dirty words: ****, ****, ****, ****, **********, Mother****er, and Tits

Sooner_Havok
10/19/2008, 05:58 PM
heh.

Here at the SO, we have more than 7. :D :D

Turd_Ferguson
10/19/2008, 06:03 PM
Here at the SO, we have more than 7. :D :Dwhich is sad, cause i've always considered myself a tits ****** *******.:D

Sooner_Havok
10/19/2008, 06:03 PM
which is sad, cause i've always considered myself a tits ****** *******.:D

:D :D

Mixer!
10/19/2008, 06:07 PM
2 words: swayze bomb :pop:

LilSooner
10/19/2008, 06:57 PM
I don't. I put her on ignore, but you shouldn't have to do that. Moderators should take care of what can only be described as obnoxious and problematic posts.

So you're tired of a topic. Big Deal! Don't post in it, and don't read it then. You don't see me posting obnoxious pictures that deflect readers around in other threads with topics that I find boring or tired. Quite simply, I ignore those threads.

That behavior can only be described as immature and rude. If it was only in one thread, I may find it humorous, but repeated threads means you are rude and inconsiderate.

BWAHAHAHA! If they did that there might only be like three posts on this entire board. What's annoying is that there are a couple posters that feel the need to post eleventybillion posts a day about how evil one candidate is.

Dudes we get it you hate Obama. Give it a rest already.

Sooner_Havok
10/19/2008, 07:00 PM
BWAHAHAHA! If they did that there might only be like three posts on this entire board. What's annoying is that there are a couple posters that feel the need to post eleventybillion posts a day about how evil one candidate is.

Dudes we get it you hate Obama. Give it a rest already.

post reported
:D

GottaHavePride
10/19/2008, 07:03 PM
I don't. I put her on ignore, but you shouldn't have to do that. Moderators should take care of what can only be described as obnoxious and problematic posts.

I have been asked to excuse myself from any situation involving PG, since she's my sister.

However, as a suggestion, you can go to your user cp and un-check the box that says "display images" and you won't have to look at it anymore.

Harry Beanbag
10/19/2008, 07:11 PM
I think its kinda hilarious.


I thought so too....four years ago.

LilSooner
10/19/2008, 07:21 PM
I have been asked to excuse myself from any situation involving PG, since she's my sister.

However, as a suggestion, you can go to your user cp and un-check the box that says "display images" and you won't have to look at it anymore.

See cause that is waaaay to easy.

GottaHavePride
10/19/2008, 07:22 PM
See cause that is waaaay to easy.

Well, I thought about just saying "if you don't like it then don't read it" but I decided that would be too snarky. ;)

Okla-homey
10/19/2008, 07:33 PM
In other news, there's this, and the fact we're not likely to know who won for a few days after Nov. 4:


Obama's lead slips to 3 points
Sun Oct 19, 2008

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democrat Barack Obama's lead over Republican John McCain in the presidential race has dropped to 3 points, according to a Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby poll released on Sunday.

Obama leads McCain by 48 to 45 percent among likely U.S. voters, down 1 percentage point from Saturday. The four-day tracking poll, which has a margin of error of 2.9 points.

Pollster John Zogby said the numbers were good news for McCain, and probably reflected a bump following his appearance in the third and final presidential debate on Wednesday.

"For the first time in the polling McCain is up above 45 percent. There is no question something has happened," Zogby said.

He said the Arizona senator appeared to have solidified his support with the Republican base -- where 9 out of 10 voters now back him -- and was also gaining ground among the independents who may play a decisive role in the November 4 election.

Obama's lead among independent voters dropped to 8 points on Sunday from 16 points a day earlier.

'RED FLAGS'

"If that trend continues, it is something that has got to raise red flags for Obama," Zogby said. "It suggests to me that his outward look of confidence may be as much strategy as it is real."

Other national polls have given Obama a double-digit overall lead, fueled by perceptions he would do a better job managing the faltering economy and unhappiness with McCain's attacks on him over the past week.

But he has cautioned his supporters against overconfidence and most polls now put his lead in single digits.

Obama, 47, who would be the first black president, enjoys strong support among black, Hispanic, Catholic and Jewish voters while the 72-year-old McCain holds a narrower lead among male and white voters.

Women, who are expected to be an important factor in the election, still favor Obama by a 6-point margin, although this has been declining in recent days.

Independent Ralph Nader drew 2 percent support in the poll, conducted Saturday through Tuesday, while Libertarian Bob Barr registered 1 percent, both little changed.

The rolling tracking poll surveyed 1,210 likely voters in the presidential election. In a tracking poll, the most recent day's results are added while the oldest day's results are dropped in an effort to track changing momentum.

The U.S. president is determined not by the most votes nationally but by a majority of the Electoral College, which has 538 members allotted to all 50 states and the District of Columbia in proportion to their representation in Congress.

(Reporting by Andrew Quinn, Editing by Sandra Maler)

proud gonzo
10/19/2008, 07:38 PM
I CAN SEEEEE YOUUUUU!!!

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;) :D

SoonerInKCMO
10/19/2008, 07:50 PM
I'm sure the spiderness of your post bothers you more than the flashiness bothers me.

I win. :)

Czar Soonerov
10/19/2008, 07:51 PM
Racist epithets are not acceptable.

SoonerInKCMO
10/19/2008, 07:51 PM
I was wondering where that missing post went. :)

Big Red Ron
10/19/2008, 08:03 PM
Racist epithets are not acceptable.Only if they're against white folk.

Still Colin Powel got us into Iraq and Obama said it was wrong but one endorses the other. Nothing racial going on there I'm sure.

Edmond Sooner
10/19/2008, 08:04 PM
Don't be a dick.

You go first.

In the meantime, I suggest that if you don't want to get called on silly gibberish, don't post it.

Big Red Ron
10/19/2008, 08:09 PM
I was wondering where that missing post went. :)
It went where another true but hard to swallow things went................. on Monica Lewinski's dress. :D

Badump bump ching

Okla-homey
10/19/2008, 08:11 PM
Only if they're against white folk.

Still Colin Powel got us into Iraq and Obama said it was wrong but one endorses the other. Nothing racial going on there I'm sure.

Which is all true, but we step over the line if we mention the candidate or his endorser's genealogy. Das ist verboten in the Brave New World!

Rogue
10/19/2008, 08:13 PM
You go first.

In the meantime, I suggest that if you don't want to get called on silly gibberish, don't post it.

Pssssssst!
It's a troll.

Turd_Ferguson
10/19/2008, 08:17 PM
Only if they're against white folk.Did somebody call Mr. Whitefolk's?
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(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1056/989142646_dab7aa5787.jpg?v=0)

Big Red Ron
10/19/2008, 08:23 PM
Leaving out any (albeit a small reference to race) here's basically what I posted.

Colin Powell was THE expert that told us Saddam Hussein (no relation to Barrack Husein) had weapons of mass destruction. You know, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the head honcho, the guy the President hires to tell him how to sort out intelligence info and make decisions on foregoing policy. Seems a little odd that he would support the anti Iraq war Obama, I can't seem to put my finger on it. Hmmm...

Sooner_Havok
10/19/2008, 08:31 PM
Leaving out any (albeit a small reference to race) here's basically what I posted.

Colin Powell was THE expert that told us Saddam Hussein (no relation to Barrack Husein) had weapons of mass destruction. You know, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the head honcho, the guy the President hires to tell him how to sort out intelligence info and make decisions on foregoing policy. Seems a little odd that he would support the anti Iraq war Obama, I can't seem to put my finger on it. Hmmm...

Well, last time I checked up on my history, Powell wasn't Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under W. He was the Secretary of State under W. He made the case to the UN to go to war using the information provided to him by the Joint Chiefs, CIA, and FBI.

At least that is the way I remember it, hell I might be wrong. I also remember something about yellow cake and aluminum tubes...

A Sooner in Texas
10/19/2008, 08:33 PM
Leaving out any (albeit a small reference to race) here's basically what I posted.

Colin Powell was THE expert that told us Saddam Hussein (no relation to Barrack Husein) had weapons of mass destruction. You know, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the head honcho, the guy the President hires to tell him how to sort out intelligence info and make decisions on foregoing policy. Seems a little odd that he would support the anti Iraq war Obama, I can't seem to put my finger on it. Hmmm...


He also later said the information was flawed and that his participation in presenting the information was a painful blot on his record.

To infer that Powell is endorsing Obama strictly because they share the same skin color is racist and insulting to a man who has honorably served this country.

soonerhubs
10/19/2008, 08:35 PM
I have been asked to excuse myself from any situation involving PG, since she's my sister.

However, as a suggestion, you can go to your user cp and un-check the box that says "display images" and you won't have to look at it anymore.

Fair enough, and everybody should know I have no vendetta against folks. I have seen threads for and against both party members, and I have seen valid points made on both sides, as well as invalid insults thrown by folks claiming Conservative as well as Progressive. I just felt that the flash images were a bit much. Problem is solved though. I suppose some folks could find the links to uncredible sources just as annoying, so I will concede that point.


Good feelings for all. :D

SoonerInKCMO
10/19/2008, 08:38 PM
(albeit a small reference to race).

I'm not sure how you consider calling someone 'head ****** in charge' is a 'small reference to race'. :confused:

My Opinion Matters
10/19/2008, 08:38 PM
I don't. I put her on ignore, but you shouldn't have to do that. Moderators should take care of what can only be described as obnoxious and problematic posts.

So you're tired of a topic. Big Deal! Don't post in it, and don't read it then. You don't see me posting obnoxious pictures that deflect readers around in other threads with topics that I find boring or tired. Quite simply, I ignore those threads.

That behavior can only be described as immature and rude. If it was only in one thread, I may find it humorous, but repeated threads means you are rude and inconsiderate.

One thing you fail to consider-she only posts seizure bots in threads with massive amounts of suck.

No sucky threads=no seizure bots.

Sooner_Havok
10/19/2008, 08:39 PM
anyways BRR isn't a racist. These folks however, I have my druthers about...
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soonerhubs
10/19/2008, 08:42 PM
One thing you fail to consider-she only posts seizure bots in threads with massive amounts of suck.

No sucky threads=no seizure bots.

I disagree, but if you feel that way, ok.

Big Red Ron
10/19/2008, 08:44 PM
He also later said the information was flawed and that his participation in presenting the information was a painful blot on his record.

To infer that Powell is endorsing Obama strictly because they share the same skin color is racist and insulting to a man who has honorably served this country.
He was indeed, at one point the CofJCofS.

The President hired him to sort through all of the information available and make the correct call. Bush, Obama, Clinton, hell Reagan weren't capable of collecting, reading and making foreign policy decisions. That's why they hire people like Powell. It was his job. Of course Bush could have told him no, as Commander and Chief but that doesn't happen very often.

I'm glad that Powell moved on to make a million dollar a speech, while admitting he made one of the worst decisions in American history.

Bush deserves all the criticism he gets but so does Powell.

I'm sure that race has nothing to do with Powell's endorsement but there is some very strange dynamics involved in this deal that we'll never know about.

I don't think this endorsement does much at all for Obama. All the polls are closing and the race is between the margin of error.

One guy with more foreign policy experience than Powell is McCain. He doesn't need credibility in that arena. Although, Obama does but he's touting Bush's biggest foreign policy mistake's architect as a supporter.

soonerhubs
10/19/2008, 08:48 PM
He was indeed, at one point the CofJCofS.

The President hired him to sort through all of the information available and make the correct call. Bush, Obama, Clinton, hell Reagan weren't capable of collecting, reading and making foreign policy decisions. That's why they hire people like Powell. It was his job. Of course Bush could have told him no, as Commander and Chief but that doesn't happen very often.

I'm glad that Powell moved on to make a million dollar a speech, while admitting he made one of the worst decisions in American history.

Bush deserves all the criticism he gets but so does Powell.

I'm sure that race has nothing to do with Powell's endorsement but there is some very strange dynamics involved in this deal that we'll never know about.

I don't think this endorsement does much at all for Obama. All the polls are closing and the race is between the margin of error.

One guy with more foreign policy experience than Powell is McCain. He doesn't need credibility in that arena. Although, Obama does but he's touting Bush's biggest foreign policy mistake's architect as a supporter.

I hadn't really thought of this move in that light. Good point.

Sooner_Havok
10/19/2008, 08:48 PM
He was indeed, at one point the CofJCofS.

I double checked, he was Secretary of State under W and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under Original Bush

Big Red Ron
10/19/2008, 08:51 PM
I'm not sure how you consider calling someone 'head ****** in charge' is a 'small reference to race'. :confused:See, it's called an inside reference joke. You know who Phil is right? This is his (mostly anyways, I haven't seen DE around much lately) board. His title on this board? You guessed it. See, I was drawing a comparison to our fearless leader here on SoonerFans. I bet if a lump of coal went where your sun don't shine, you'd have a diamond within a minute.

Big Red Ron
10/19/2008, 08:52 PM
I double checked, he was Secretary of State under W and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under Original BushYeah, so what's your point. I said that already.

Big Red Ron
10/19/2008, 08:57 PM
I hadn't really thought of this move in that light. Good point.
I thought so too, thanks.

Sooner_Havok
10/19/2008, 08:57 PM
Yeah, so what's your point. I said that already.

Well I mean you said he was Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and his job was to gather the evidence to go to war with Iraq. I was just pointing out that while he was Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under George H.W. Bush, he was Secretary of State under George W. Bush. As such, it wasn't his job to gather and interpret the evidence to go to war. He was merely the vehicle that George W. Bush chose to convey his evidence for war to the UN.

SoonerInKCMO
10/19/2008, 09:02 PM
See, it's called an inside reference joke. You know who Phil is right? This is his (mostly anyways, I haven't seen DE around much lately) board. His title on this board? You guessed it. See, I was drawing a comparison to our fearless leader here on SoonerFans. I bet if a lump of coal went where your sun don't shine, you'd have a diamond within a minute.

See, when people call comments 'jokes', it usually means that what was said was what we like to call 'funny'.

Big Red Ron
10/19/2008, 09:06 PM
Well I mean you said he was Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and his job was to gather the evidence to go to war with Iraq. I was just pointing out that while he was Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under George H.W. Bush, he was Secretary of State under George W. Bush. As such, it wasn't his job to gather and interpret the evidence to go to war. He was merely the vehicle that George W. Bush chose to convey his evidence for war to the UN.No, you simply do not understand his role. Take a class. POWELL was Bush's TOP foreign policy EXPERT based on his EXPERIENCE and relationships made as the JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF.

THICK MUCH?

JohnnyMack
10/19/2008, 09:18 PM
Havok, what you don't understand after all these years is how W operates. How many people have left his administration with bad things to say about it? Why did Powell resign? If he was such a **** up, why didn't W force him out?

This is BRR toting the W line. Don't pay any attention to him. Remember in W's world, you're either for us, or you're against us. And once Powell left he was marginalized by W and his followers.

Big Red Ron
10/19/2008, 09:22 PM
Havok, what you don't understand after all these years is how W operates. How many people have left his administration with bad things to say about it? Why did Powell resign? If he was such a **** up, why didn't W force him out?

This is BRR toting the W line. Don't pay any attention to him. Remember in W's world, you're either for us, or you're against us. And once Powell left he was marginalized by W and his followers.FAIL.

I was never a W guy. Have been a McCainiac since 1999.

If you don't think race played a role in this then your lying to yourself. Which is the worst kind of lie.

While I'm no W fain, it was him or Gore. Puleeze. Kerry? OMG. It's not like the Democratic party has put up a good candidate in well, since JFK, that tax cutting fool, that would be characterized as a conservative these days.

Anyway.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
10/19/2008, 09:28 PM
To infer that Powell is endorsing Obama strictly because they share the same skin color is racist and insulting to a man who has honorably served this country.To infer that Obama is anything other than a wide--open socialist who deserves indorsement from anyone other than a like-minded type is silly and wrong.

JohnnyMack
10/19/2008, 09:35 PM
In other news, there's this, and the fact we're not likely to know who won for a few days after Nov. 4:

This was always going to be a 51/49 or 52/48 kind of election. We have a black man named Barack Hussein Obama running. What did you think was going to happen?

Let's go back to 2004. The final electoral college vote was:

Bush - 286
Kerry - 252

Fast forward to 2008. Iowa and New Mexico have gone pretty safely blue meaning if that held it would be:

McCain - 274
Obama - 264

The problem as I see it for the Republicans is that while in 2004 Kerry's strategy was to put all his eggs in the Ohio/Florida basket Obama and his team have instead gotten organized and tried to blanket the toss up states knowing that to get to 270 all they need is one state (and it doesn't have to be Florida OR Ohio to matter). Currently Colorado, Virginia, Missouri, Ohio, North Carolina & Florida are all statistical dead heats (or Obama leans) and if any one of those states tilts blue Obama wins.

Again, I don't doubt that this will be a close election in terms of popular vote, but the Republicans have retreated out of Michigan, New Hampshire and Wisconsin and aren't faring well in polls in Pennsylvania. They've been unable to crack any blue states and are playing Twister right now to try and cover their collective asses. Add in the $150 million Obama just announced he's raised in September and you can be sure the Democrats will remain on the offensive.

Big Red Ron
10/19/2008, 09:35 PM
To infer that Obama is anything other than a wide--open socialist who deserves indorsement from anyone other than a like-minded type is silly and wrong.
See, and there's the rub. By his own account, Powell isn't a left winger.

JohnnyMack
10/19/2008, 09:36 PM
FAIL.

I was never a W guy. Have been a McCainiac since 1999.

If you don't think race played a role in this then your lying to yourself. Which is the worst kind of lie.

While I'm no W fain, it was him or Gore. Puleeze. Kerry? OMG. It's not like the Democratic party has put up a good candidate in well, since JFK, that tax cutting fool, that would be characterized as a conservative these days.

Anyway.

If you think the blame for Iraq lies at the feet of Colin Powell you're more hopeless than I thought.

Big Red Ron
10/19/2008, 09:37 PM
This was always going to be a 51/49 or 52/48 kind of election. We have a black man named Barack Hussein Obama running. What did you think was going to happen?

Let's go back to 2004. The final electoral college vote was:

Bush - 286
Kerry - 252

Fast forward to 2008. Iowa and New Mexico have gone pretty safely blue meaning if that held it would be:

McCain - 274
Obama - 264

The problem as I see it for the Republicans is that while in 2004 Kerry's strategy was to put all his eggs in the Ohio/Florida basket Obama and his team have instead gotten organized and tried to blanket the toss up states knowing that to get to 270 all they need is one state (and it doesn't have to be Florida OR Ohio to matter). Currently Colorado, Virginia, Missouri, Ohio, North Carolina & Florida are all statistical dead heats and if any one of those states tilts blue Obama wins.

Again, I don't doubt that this will be a close election in terms of popular vote, but the Republicans have retreated out of Michigan, New Hampshire and Wisconsin and aren't faring well in polls in Pennsylvania. They've been unable to crack any blue states and are playing Twister right now to try and cover their collective asses. Add in the $150 million Obama just announced he's raised in September and you can be sure the Democrats will remain on the offensive.Yeah, because polls in presidential races have never leaned Democratic in history.

A Sooner in Texas
10/19/2008, 09:38 PM
To infer that Obama is anything other than a wide--open socialist who deserves indorsement from anyone other than a like-minded type is silly and wrong.


To say that someone said something they didn't is either illiterate or stupid. Which do you prefer?

Big Red Ron
10/19/2008, 09:41 PM
If you think the blame for Iraq lies at the feet of Colin Powell you're more hopeless than I thought.
The blame lays at the feet of Bush and his foreign policy advisor's, Powell being the top adviser.

Now, Obama's national career is built on the anti Iraq position but he's accepting the endorsement from the man that architected Bush's biggest mistake. It's a valid criticism.

JohnnyMack
10/19/2008, 09:44 PM
The blame lays at the feet of Bush and his foreign policy advisor's, Powell being the top adviser.

Now, Obama's national career is built on the anti Iraq position but he's accepting the endorsement from the man that architected Bush's biggest mistake. It's a valid criticism.

Can you answer the question of why Powell resigned?

Frozen Sooner
10/19/2008, 09:44 PM
I find it amusing to try to guess which poll Homey's going to tout on any given day.

JohnnyMack
10/19/2008, 09:45 PM
I find it amusing to try to guess which poll Homey's going to tout on any given day.

*waves*

I know! I know! Pick me! Pick me!

It's the one that shows the smallest difference between the two.

What do I win?

Frozen Sooner
10/19/2008, 09:48 PM
I also find it amusing that people continue to post polls that are outside the margin of error and claim that they are, in fact, inside the margin of error.

Sooner_Havok
10/19/2008, 09:49 PM
No, you simply do not understand his role. Take a class. POWELL was Bush's TOP foreign policy EXPERT based on his EXPERIENCE and relationships made as the JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF.

THICK MUCH?

There's the rub, I do think much.

If W wanted Powell as his chairman of the joint chiefs, why didn't he appoint him to Chairman of the Joint Chiefs. He appointed him Secretary of State. I do agree with you that CotJCoS job is to gather and analyze information, but that is not the function of the Secretary of State. the SoS is negotiating with foreign representatives (like the U.N.)

So I mean, saying that since he was the CotJCoS for one sitting president, he could perform the same role with the same functions with a different title under a different president seems odd to me. He was brought in by W in a different role and function than he was by H.W. That's all I'm saying man.

edit:

And despite what your neg spek says, I'm pretty sure you are the one that failed on your understanding of the role of the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the Secretary of State, and the separate and differing roles they play.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
10/19/2008, 09:52 PM
See, and there's the rub. By his own account, Powell isn't a left winger.Then, if he's not a racist, he really is a left-winger.

Big Red Ron
10/19/2008, 09:53 PM
I also find it amusing that people continue to post polls that are outside the margin of error and claim that they are, in fact, inside the margin of error.There's only one poll that matters but here's some credible stuff here.




WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democrat Barack Obama's lead over Republican John McCain in the presidential race has dropped to 3 points, according to a Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby poll (http://www.reuters.com/news/globalcoverage/2008candidates) released on Sunday.

Obama leads McCain by 48 to 45 percent among likely U.S. voters, down 1 percentage point from Saturday.


Results Within Poll's Margin Of Error

The four-day tracking poll, which has a margin of error of 2.9 points, is the latest to indicate a McCain bump. Pollster John Zogby said the numbers are good news for McCain, and probably reflect a bump following his appearance in the third and final presidential debate on Wednesday.

"For the first time in the polling McCain is up above 45 percent. There is no question something has happened," Zogby said.

He said the Arizona senator appeared to have solidified his support with the Republican base -- where 9 out of 10 voters now back him -- and was also gaining ground among the independents who may play a decisive role in the November 4 election.
Obama's lead among independent voters dropped to 8 points on Sunday from 16 points a day earlier."If that trend continues, it is something that has got to raise red flags for Obama," Zogby said. "It suggests to me that his outward look of confidence may be as much strategy as it is real."

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
10/19/2008, 09:53 PM
To say that someone said something they didn't is either illiterate or stupid. Which do you prefer?haha...WRONG, again

Big Red Ron
10/19/2008, 09:55 PM
There's the rub, I do think much.

If W wanted Powell as his chairman of the joint chiefs, why didn't he appoint him to Chairman of the Joint Chiefs. He appointed him Secretary of State. I do agree with you that CotJCoS job is to gather and analyze information, but that is not the function of the Secretary of State. the SoS is negotiating with foreign representatives (like the U.N.)

So I mean, saying that since he was the CotJCoS for one sitting president, he could perform the same role with the same functions with a different title under a different president seems odd to me. He was brought in by W in a different role and function than he was by H.W. That's all I'm saying man.

edit:

And despite what your neg spek says, I'm pretty sure you are the one that failed on your understanding of the role of the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the Secretary of State, and the separate and differing roles they play.Read much? I Said Thick much. A rhetorical point.

A Sooner in Texas
10/19/2008, 09:58 PM
haha...WRONG, again



5 years old much?

Sooner_Havok
10/19/2008, 09:58 PM
Read much? I Said Thick much. A rhetorical point.

Sorry, I just figured in your rage (you did type in all caps after all) you were insinuating I didn't think since I understood the differing roles Powell played in two different President's cabinets and just missed the 'N' on the keyboard.

Frozen Sooner
10/19/2008, 10:27 PM
There's only one poll that matters but here's some credible stuff here.

Wrong. There's 50 polls that matter. And 3>2.9.

OklahomaTuba
10/19/2008, 10:32 PM
This isn't change, its more of the same.

Okla-homey
10/20/2008, 05:41 AM
The simple fact is, even the RCP average has the BHO "lead" at 5 percent. Mind you, in a race where all the factors should have set the "change" candidate up for a twenty point lead at this point.

Frankly, if BHO pulls it off, he better be able to start crapping Tiffany cufflinks within the first month or we are in for a very long four years.

JohnnyMack
10/20/2008, 08:08 AM
The simple fact is, even the RCP average has the BHO "lead" at 5 percent. Mind you, in a race where all the factors should have set the "change" candidate up for a twenty point lead at this point.

Frankly, if BHO pulls it off, he better be able to start crapping Tiffany cufflinks within the first month or we are in for a very long four years.

Like the bang up job that turd you voted for in 2004 did? I mean he really tore it up. Boy did he do a good job.

Okla-homey
10/20/2008, 08:23 AM
Like the bang up job that turd you voted for in 2004 did? I mean he really tore it up. Boy did he do a good job.

So your boy gets to embrace succitude because you think W did? The Last Great Donk President used to say, "The Buck Stops" at the president's desk. "Hope and Change" in one hand and spit in the other and see which one fills up faster.

Fortunately for the nation, I think we're still going to be able to squeek by in avoiding a catastrophic BHO presidency.

JohnnyMack
10/20/2008, 09:23 AM
I wonder if it's a coincidence that people like you and Dean keep using the word "boy" as a descriptor of Obama?

Big Red Ron
10/20/2008, 09:46 AM
I wonder if it's a coincidence that people like you and Dean keep using the word "boy" as a descriptor of Obama?
http://s35.photobucket.com/albums/d167/bushtit/threadbombs/th_thatsracist.gif




:rolleyes:

Okla-homey
10/20/2008, 09:51 AM
I wonder if it's a coincidence that people like you and Dean keep using the word "boy" as a descriptor of Obama?

That's among the many problems with you Obama-Aid drinkers. In your world, every perceived slight of His Messiah-ness is about race.

StoopTroup
10/20/2008, 09:55 AM
I don't see color....
http://www.iwantmedia.com/images/stephen_colbert.gif

TUSooner
10/20/2008, 10:17 AM
Anyone else feel like neggin' pg for postin' that crap. My eyes are still flashing. :mad: .....

[John Wayne] Pilgrim, don't even think about neggin' that lady. [/John Wayne]

TUSooner
10/20/2008, 10:23 AM
Reminder: We elect presidents, not kings, or emperors, or fuehrers. As powerful as the presidency is, the power is not absolute ('cept maybe to send our folks off to fight wars in places with hard-to-pronounce names.) Thanks to the genius of the Framers, we have a fair chance of surviving McCain, Obama, Biden, or even Palin.

JohnnyMack
10/20/2008, 10:37 AM
That's among the many problems with you Obama-Aid drinkers. In your world, every perceived slight of His Messiah-ness is about race.

I wonder if Biden were no. 1 on the ticket if you'd refer to him as "boy". I'm just curious.

Big Red Ron
10/20/2008, 10:53 AM
I wonder if Biden were no. 1 on the ticket if you'd refer to him as "boy". I'm just curious.Nah, he'd be dumas.

Fraggle145
10/20/2008, 11:16 AM
FAIL.

I was never a W guy. Have been a McCainiac since 1999.

If you don't think race played a role in this then your lying to yourself. Which is the worst kind of lie.

While I'm no W fain, it was him or Gore. Puleeze. Kerry? OMG. It's not like the Democratic party has put up a good candidate in well, since JFK, that tax cutting fool, that would be characterized as a conservative these days.

Anyway.

Lying to myself makes me all tingly on the inside.

soonerscuba
10/20/2008, 11:18 AM
And despite what your neg spek says, I'm pretty sure you are the one that failed on your understanding of the role of the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the Secretary of State, and the separate and differing roles they play.
I wouldn't worry about it too much. Ron is the political equivalent of the guy on the football board that is "very close to the Stoops family" and has the inside scoop about his new job with the Atlanta Falcons.

Plus, the only reason that a Republican Sos is endorsing Obama is blind allegiance or political apathy, which are the only reasons anybody would ever vote for Obama.

Frozen Sooner
10/20/2008, 11:20 AM
The simple fact is, even the RCP average has the BHO "lead" at 5 percent. Mind you, in a race where all the factors should have set the "change" candidate up for a twenty point lead at this point.

Frankly, if BHO pulls it off, he better be able to start crapping Tiffany cufflinks within the first month or we are in for a very long four years.

The simple fact is that Obama right now has well more than enough electoral votes to win.

I wonder why you're not talking about Zogby today?

And again, Zogby's a terrible pollster.

Scott D
10/20/2008, 11:31 AM
Leaving out any (albeit a small reference to race) here's basically what I posted.

Colin Powell was THE expert that told us Saddam Hussein (no relation to Barrack Husein) had weapons of mass destruction. You know, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the head honcho, the guy the President hires to tell him how to sort out intelligence info and make decisions on foregoing policy. Seems a little odd that he would support the anti Iraq war Obama, I can't seem to put my finger on it. Hmmm...

You go on to say that Powell would be the foreign policy expert. Wouldn't that have been Dick Cheney who was SecDef under GHWB, and WH Chief of Staff under Ford? Or perhaps His SecDef Rumsfeld who was SecDef and WH Chief of Staff under Ford? Rather than the man who served on the NSA under Reagan, and was the CJCOS under GHWB and retired in the early part of WJC's first term before becoming SecState under GWB? Seems the other two were a bit more in the political machina than one Colin Powell.

Okla-homey
10/20/2008, 11:42 AM
You go on to say that Powell would be the foreign policy expert. Wouldn't that have been Dick Cheney who was SecDef under GHWB, and WH Chief of Staff under Ford? Or perhaps His SecDef Rumsfeld who was SecDef and WH Chief of Staff under Ford? Rather than the man who served on the NSA under Reagan, and was the CJCOS under GHWB and retired in the early part of WJC's first term before becoming SecState under GWB? Seems the other two were a bit more in the political machina than one Colin Powell.

I will not say anything to discredit Gen Powell, a fine officer and man. However, I will say this. There are basically two kinds of generals. The kind who earned their stars commanding troops and the kind who earned their stars in Washington. Gen Powell is the latter kind.

Scott D
10/20/2008, 11:51 AM
And your comment doesn't address the issue of how he's the foreign expert over two guys who have spent their lives in the DC political arena since the early 70s at least, and held critical positions within the Bush Cabinet.

Big Red Ron
10/20/2008, 12:20 PM
I wouldn't worry about it too much. Ron is the political equivalent of the guy on the football board that is "very close to the Stoops family" and has the inside scoop about his new job with the Atlanta Falcons.

Plus, the only reason that a Republican Sos is endorsing Obama is blind allegiance or political apathy, which are the only reasons anybody would ever vote for Obama.If you only knew young lady. I've never thrown around names on here or bragged about who I know/work with. I have told you people what I know, which is considerably greater than the average (you) SF.com poster in this arena.

People that don't like big gubment/tax increases aren't voting for Obama. That's it.

I have a feeling that you will you be in a fetal position when McCain wins on election night?

Gotta run. It's election season all over the country and I have several clients that are in need of their cross tabulations. Enjoy your day but I'll be back tonight.

Scott D
10/20/2008, 12:37 PM
too bad BRR they're still going to end up voting for big gubment/tax increases.

Okla-homey
10/20/2008, 12:40 PM
The simple fact is that Obama right now has well more than enough electoral votes to win.

I wonder why you're not talking about Zogby today?

And again, Zogby's a terrible pollster.

RCP average today: BHO by 4.8%. I just hope there are no riots when he loses.

Condescending Sooner
10/20/2008, 12:41 PM
too bad BRR they're still going to end up voting for big gubment/tax increases.


Yes that is sad.

Frozen Sooner
10/20/2008, 12:50 PM
RCP average today: BHO by 4.8%. I just hope there are no riots when he loses.

Address the question, counselor.

And unless RCP changed in the last few minutes, your average is off.

As of 9:52 ADT RCP Average 10/13 - 10/19 -- -- 49.3 44.1 Obama +5.2

It was 5.0 when I left my house about a half hour ago.

Neither of which addresses the fact that the very site you cite shows Obama with a pretty comfortable Electoral College lead-286-155.

soonerscuba
10/20/2008, 12:56 PM
Obama is ahead in VA by 5.0+.

I can't imagine a scenario in which Obama gets less than 282.

Sooner_Bob
10/20/2008, 01:17 PM
I

However, as a suggestion, you can go to your user cp and un-check the box that says "display images" and you won't have to look at it anymore.

Don't you think that'd be a little extreme? Disabling displaying all images because of that flashbot junk?


See cause that is waaaay to easy.

As easy as ignore political posts if you care nothing about them?


Well, I thought about just saying "if you don't like it then don't read it" but I decided that would be too snarky. ;)


Trust me . . . I scrolled through that pretty fast, but it didn't help.

Sooner_Bob
10/20/2008, 01:21 PM
One thing you fail to consider-she only posts seizure bots in threads with massive amounts of suck.

No sucky threads=no seizure bots.

If they're that bad then stay out of them . . . sheesh.

Frozen Sooner
10/20/2008, 01:29 PM
I'm deleting them when I'm seeing them. Send me a PM with a link if they appear.

Thanks.

Frozen Sooner
10/20/2008, 01:31 PM
Obama is ahead in VA by 5.0+.

I can't imagine a scenario in which Obama gets less than 282.

I can envision several scenarios by which John McCain wins this election. Which is why it's important for Obama supporters to keep it up-the election is not in the bag by any means. We're in a pretty favorable position, for sure, but it ain't over for two more weeks.

soonerscuba
10/20/2008, 01:47 PM
I can envision several scenarios by which John McCain wins this election. Which is why it's important for Obama supporters to keep it up-the election is not in the bag by any means. We're in a pretty favorable position, for sure, but it ain't over for two more weeks.I guess, I should rephrase, all things being the same as now, I would have a hard time seeing how Obama doesn't get at least 282, which has OH, FL, IN, MO, WV and NV going to McCain, and hinges on Obama winning VA.

He has to fight complacency at this point, which I think he can do, but we'll see.

Okla-homey
10/20/2008, 02:59 PM
He has to fight complacency at this point, which I think he can do, but we'll see.

Well there's that, and the Get Out the Vote drive. I'm telling you, the under 35 set and the po folks (which BHO pwns) ain't the most reliable on Election Day. And if JSM catches a break and Nov 4 dawns with cruddy weather in the NE, its even better.

Stoop Dawg
10/20/2008, 03:51 PM
Well there's that, and the Get Out the Vote drive. I'm telling you, the under 35 set and the po folks (which BHO pwns) ain't the most reliable on Election Day. And if JSM catches a break and Nov 4 dawns with cruddy weather in the NE, its even better.

That's a good point.

There is a big difference between answering your phone and saying "I'll vote for Candidate X" and actually getting out of the house to go vote.

Sooner_Bob
10/20/2008, 03:57 PM
I'm deleting them when I'm seeing them. Send me a PM with a link if they appear.

Thanks.

Thank you.

JohnnyMack
10/20/2008, 04:06 PM
That's a good point.

There is a big difference between answering your phone and saying "I'll vote for Candidate X" and actually getting out of the house to go vote.

As there is also a polling deficiency in the number of people who tend to be younger that don't have home phones at all.

Fraggle145
10/20/2008, 04:33 PM
Personally, I've always wondered why we cant vote "No Confidence" if there isnt a candidate we want.

This time I like Obama. Our views line up pretty well, but I would have voted it in the last two elections.

Scott D
10/20/2008, 04:39 PM
I would have considered Obama had Powell been his running mate and not Captain Cave******.

85Sooner
10/20/2008, 04:47 PM
Personally, I've always wondered why we cant vote "No Confidence" if there isnt a candidate we want.

This time I like Obama. Our views line up pretty well, but I would have voted it in the last two elections.

Ahhhhhh gov employee huh ;)

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
10/20/2008, 05:34 PM
General Powell has the right to endorse anyone he chooses. Perhaps, if BHO wins, he will nominate Powell for some important cabinet post. That would have a desirable leveling effect on the cast of hard-lefties that would surely otherwise populate a BHO cabinet.Powell believes in abortion on demand and affirmative action. What's conservative about him?

Sooner_Havok
10/20/2008, 05:34 PM
Personally, I've always wondered why we cant vote "No Confidence" if there isnt a candidate we want.

This time I like Obama. Our views line up pretty well, but I would have voted it in the last two elections.

The last election I voted for the devil I knew...:(

Fraggle145
10/20/2008, 05:42 PM
Powell believes in abortion on demand and affirmative action. What's conservative about him?

Until Rush runs for president we know you arent going to be happy with anyone. :rolleyes:

Fraggle145
10/20/2008, 05:43 PM
Ahhhhhh gov employee huh ;)

heh.

Okla-homey
10/20/2008, 05:47 PM
Powell believes in abortion on demand and affirmative action. What's conservative about him?

Those are hot-button issues indeed, but we would need someone in a position of influence in a BHO cabinet who understands a thing or two about how the world actually works and also understands the proper application of military force, which is the most awesome power the government is capable of wielding.

The Powell Doctrine stands for the proposition that if we decide to apply military force, we go balls deep and never send our troops into a situation with less than overwhelming force. Rummy was not an adherent of that policy and that's why the Iraqi hold-outs and the wannabe jihaadstars who flocked in about handed us our butts for two years after we defeated the Iraqi army.

Big Red Ron
10/20/2008, 06:50 PM
Republicans sold out to hype up Powell. He's pro abortion, pro wealth redistribution and pro affirmative action.

They sold out their souls to help him in hopes of wooing African Americans. They knew what they were getting and this should be no surprise. He has always been a "moderate Republican" [read liberal].

If you lay with dogs, don't complain when you get fleas.

BTW, the 5 other former Chairmen of the joint Chiefs of Staff have endorsed McCain. Why is Powell's endorsement any bigger deal? You guessed it.

Sooner_Havok
10/20/2008, 06:53 PM
Republicans sold out to hype up Powell. He's pro abortion, pro wealth redistribution and pro affirmative action.

They sold out their souls to help him in hopes of wooing African Americans. They knew what they were getting and this should be no surprise. He has always been a "moderate Republican" [read liberal].

If you lay with dogs, don't complain when you get fleas.

BTW, the 5 other former Chairmen of the joint Chiefs of Staff have endorsed McCain. Why is Powell's endorsement any bigger deal? You guessed it.

Do I get to choose between:

a. He held high ranking cabinet positions in two separate Bush administrations

b. He's a colored folk

Or do I only get to pick between b? :confused: :confused:

Big Red Ron
10/20/2008, 07:03 PM
He's a liberal, always has been. And, If you don't think race was part of it then I have some real estate with gold in it for sale in Montana.

Sooner_Havok
10/20/2008, 07:04 PM
He's a liberal, always has been. And, If you don't think race was part of it then I have some real estate with gold in it for sale in Montana.

I already got some ocean front property in Arizona, but thanks for the offer ;)

Big Red Ron
10/20/2008, 07:19 PM
I already got some ocean front property in Arizona, but thanks for the offer ;)I hope you got a good price. ;)

Look, none of this is personal to me. I'm just amazed at how people are following this guy. He's got no record to speak of, promises everyone everything and what we do know of his past (Ayers, Wright and Rezko) is kinda scary but somehow "off limits."

The only thing we do know is that he's going to raise our taxes and "Spread the wealth around," his words.

It scares the heck out of me that the American people would vote for someone they barely know and what they do know is created by an advertising firm. wow, srsly.

Curly Bill
10/20/2008, 07:36 PM
Anyone with more then half a brain knows the main reason Powell is supporting Obama. To pretend otherwise is disengenuous.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
10/20/2008, 07:43 PM
Republicans sold out to hype up Powell. He's pro abortion, pro wealth redistribution and pro affirmative action.

They sold out their souls to help him in hopes of wooing African Americans. They knew what they were getting and this should be no surprise. He has always been a "moderate Republican" [read liberal].

If you lay with dogs, don't complain when you get fleas.

BTW, the 5 other former Chairmen of the joint Chiefs of Staff have endorsed McCain. Why is Powell's endorsement any bigger deal? You guessed it.Very well said. Thread closed!

soonerscuba
10/20/2008, 07:43 PM
Anyone with more then half a brain knows the main reason Powell is supporting Obama. To pretend otherwise is disengenuous.Because they're both Muslim?

Curly Bill
10/20/2008, 07:44 PM
Because they're both Muslim?

You're getting warm...

Sooner_Havok
10/20/2008, 07:49 PM
I hope you got a good price. ;)

Look, none of this is personal to me. I'm just amazed at how people are following this guy. He's got no record to speak of, promises everyone everything and what we do know of his past (Ayers, Wright and Rezko) is kinda scary but somehow "off limits."

The only thing we do know is that he's going to raise our taxes and "Spread the wealth around," his words.

It scares the heck out of me that the American people would vote for someone they barely know and what they do know is created by an advertising firm. wow, srsly.

I don't think anything is "off limits" but if someone brings it up they had better be ready for the backlash if they have no supporting evidence. All they are saying is "what is he hiding" and, "He isn't being honest with the American people". How do you know this? Do you know something we don't? If so, why are you hiding it from us?

I can only see 4 scenarios here.

First,There are secrets in Obama's past. Secrets he doesn't want anyone to know about. They are buried deep enough that the general public can't find them, but the MSM can. But, since the MSM is a bunch of liberals, they suppress the information.

Second, There are secrets in Obama's past. Secrets he doesn't want anyone to know about. They are buried deep enough that not even the MSM can find them. But not deep enough that the CIA, FBI, and Secret Service can't find them. There is not even a leak of this information because of these organizations liberal bias.

Third, There are secrets in Obama's past. Secrets he doesn't want anyone to know about. They are buried so deep that not even the CIA, FBI, and Secret Service can find them. Let's keep in mind that Obama has been briefed by the White House (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/barackobama/3224481/Barack-Obamas-team-is-briefed-by-Bush-staff-on-after-warnings-about-a-terrorist-attack.html) so we are assuming here that if they knew he was in with the terrorists, he wouldn't be being briefed about terrorist attacks. In this scenario, a man has somehow pulled the wool over the eyes of not only the US citizens and the MSM, but also over the eyes of the most thorough and prying arms of the US federal government.

Forth, There is no massive cover up of terrorist ties and former radical allies. Obama is telling the truth (or at least as close to the truth as politicians come to) about his ties to Ayers, Wright, and Rezko. He is no more guilty by association than anyone else. One vocal group of people is convinced that there has to be something more, and yells at the top of their lungs that their political opponent is hiding something. When pressed as to what he is hiding, they say, "ask him, I'm not telling" because they have no clue and are simply trying to discredit their opponents character.

The forth seems the most probable to me. But I also believe that George Bush had no role in the 9/11 attacks, that the towers fell cause they were hit by two big *** planes, not cause they where rigged to blow, and that the Pentagon was hit by a plane, not a missile.

Tailwind
10/20/2008, 08:13 PM
I think we're in deep **** no matter who is elected. So just issue us our huge-assed shovels and get this crap over with.

Sooner_Havok
10/20/2008, 08:17 PM
I think we're in deep **** no matter who is elected. So just issue us our huge-assed shovels and get this crap over with.

Shovels, your crazy! I think we should all band together, Republicans, Democrats, Independents and Libertarians, and demand our government provide every man, woman, and child an industrial size bottle of anal lube.

:D :D

Curly Bill
10/20/2008, 08:22 PM
Shovels, your crazy! I think we should all band together, Republicans, Democrats, Independents and Libertarians, and demand our government provide every man, woman, and child an industrial size bottle of anal lube.

:D :D

Damn Socialist! Why does the government provide the lube? You want it, you work for it. :P

Big Red Ron
10/20/2008, 08:24 PM
Shovels, your crazy! I think we should all band together, Republicans, Democrats, Independents and Libertarians, and demand our government provide every man, woman, and child an industrial size bottle of anal lube.

:D :D
That may be true, to some extent but Obama is clearly the worse of the two.

Sooner_Havok
10/20/2008, 08:40 PM
That may be true, to some extent but Obama is clearly the worse of the two.

Debatable opinion, but one you are more than entitled to.

(insert joke about liberals and entitlements here :P )

Sooner_Havok
10/20/2008, 08:42 PM
Damn Socialist! Why does the government provide the lube? You want it, you work for it. :P

Perhaps I should throw my hat in the ring? I could represent the Americans Against Sore Asses party, or the AASS party :P

A chicken in every pot, and a gallon of lube on every government broom stick!

JohnnyMack
10/20/2008, 08:42 PM
I think it's hilarious that people (including the McCain campaign) are trying to call Obama a socialist and seem to forget about Palin's history of wealth redistribution as governor of Alaska.

JohnnyMack
10/20/2008, 08:46 PM
Also today, John McCain promised victory in Afghanistan. A land that hasn't been tamed in nearly a thousand years will be handled by McCain. Cool.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
10/20/2008, 08:51 PM
I think it's hilarious that people (including the McCain campaign) are trying to call Obama a socialist and seem to forget about Palin's history of wealth redistribution as governor of Alaska.Then it's clear that Palin is more socialist than Obama...Can she count on your endorsement and vote?

Sooner_Havok
10/20/2008, 09:05 PM
Then it's clear that Palin is more socialist than Obama...Can she count on your endorsement and vote?

No, cause she palls around with terrorists. She sees America as so imperfect that she associates with people like Joe Vogler and Todd Palin, who not only wanted to secede from the Union, but also allied themselves with the government of Iran to further their goals.

:D :D

Stoop Dawg
10/20/2008, 10:46 PM
Also today, John McCain promised victory in Afghanistan. A land that hasn't been tamed in nearly a thousand years will be handled by McCain. Cool.

About as realistic as bringing "affordable, high quality" health care to every single person in America regardless of health or income. Or stimulating the economy with tax hikes.

Campaign promises are the shiznit. I'd promise free sex, drugs, and rock 'n roll - but that's just me.

SleestakSooner
10/20/2008, 11:13 PM
Except for his audience is rated to be one of the highest educated and he supports his facts 98% of the time and has over 650 stations and roughly 6 million listeners and is respected in almost every business area except liberal socialist journalist circles. Yup guess that makes him a windbag. A very influential, weathly, windbag.

Rated by whom?

http://people-press.org/report/319/public-knowledge-of-current-affairs-little-changed-by-news-and-information-revolutions

http://people-press.org/reports/images/319-2.gif

What does it really say about your guy when Comedy Central viewers have a better understanding of politics? Sounds like a bad joke to me.