Funny how this works

[85Sooner]

Offer it for free and no one will pay and you will go bankrupt.

Obama/???????????????????/are you listening???????????You socialist dip****

Hawaii ending universal child health care

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D93SBEUG0&show_article=1

[SoonerBorn68]

I notice the Obamanistas are ignoring this thread.




Gov. Linda Lingle's administration cited budget shortfalls and other available health care (http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=health%20care&sid=breitbart.com) options for eliminating funding for the program. A state official said families were dropping private coverage so their children would be eligible for the subsidized plan.
"People who were already able to afford health care began to stop paying for it so they could get it for free," said Dr. Kenny Fink, the administrator for Med-QUEST at the Department of Human Services. "I don't believe that was the intent of the program."

The intent of the program is to get every child health care & if I can get it for free, why should I pay for it?

[Whet]

LASsie will pipe in sooner or later with is "republican" slant to this....

[Edmond Sooner]

Offer it for free and no one will pay and you will go bankrupt.

Obama/???????????????????/are you listening???????????You socialist dip****

Hawaii ending universal child health care

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D93SBEUG0&show_article=1

Coming soon to a country near you, from sea to shining sea. Unless McCain is somehow able to pull it out.

Wasn't it P.J. O'Rourke who said if you thought healthcare was expensive now just wait till it's free?

[TheHumanAlphabet]

The intent of the program is to get every child health care & if I can get it for free, why should I pay for it?

Bingo!

Isn't that capitalism at work, find a place with a cheaper price and go for it??

Not supposed to work like that? How long do you think giving out free stuff and not expect people to say - Hey, I need some of that? Dip****s! Another way the gubment is dumbing down initiative and taking away incentives for people to get ahead for themselves. Socialsts, dems and Hillary - a you reading this?? It don't work!

[GottaHavePride]

#1 - I am NOT saying I think Hawaii had the right idea.

#2 - They're idiots if they thought they could offer free health care to children without, I don't know, raising taxes to pay for it.

[85Sooner]

#1 - I am NOT saying I think Hawaii had the right idea.

#2 - They're idiots if they thought they could offer free health care to children without, I don't know, raising taxes to pay for it.

Obama thinks you can. Oh right , only on the big bad companies that make 250k or more. Course lots of people will need it since the corporations will be laying people off or sending their jobs overseas to pay the extra tax burden.Thus they won't have their healthcare bennies.

[Turd_Ferguson]

Obama thinks you can. Oh right , only on the big bad companies that make 250k or more. Course lots of people will need it since the corporations will be laying people off or sending their jobs overseas to pay the extra tax burden.Thus they won't have their healthcare bennies.and/or that "extra tax burden" get's passed on to the consumer.

[OUstudent4life]

OK, so the Hawaii method didn't work.

So, people, how should children get healthcare? What's your solution?

While you're at it, what's a better plan to fund healthcare for the massive amount of Baby Boomers that are near retirement.

It's all well and good to point out failures. The system is going to be broken really soon, so how do you think it should get fixed?

...'cause relying on the insurance companies to fix the healthcare system on their own...do you honestly think they'll do that out of the goodness of their hearts?

[SoonerBorn68]

Easy.

1. Put a cap on medical lawsuits
2. Deport illegals (they burden the system)
3. Procecute & imprison people for fraud

That's a start. Clean up the system before you start throwing money at the problem.

[JohnnyMack]

Have any of you bothered to read the fine print part that says what Obama is offering isn't free when it comes to healthcare?

[85Sooner]

OK, so the Hawaii method didn't work.

So, people, how should children get healthcare? What's your solution?

While you're at it, what's a better plan to fund healthcare for the massive amount of Baby Boomers that are near retirement.

It's all well and good to point out failures. The system is going to be broken really soon, so how do you think it should get fixed?

...'cause relying on the insurance companies to fix the healthcare system on their own...do you honestly think they'll do that out of the goodness of their hearts?

The system is broken. There are alot of good solutions. you see many clinics popping up in grocery stores etc... for the basic stuff. The insurance companies are the problem. I tried to offer a Dr cash for his services and he, his nurse, the business admin and the accountant could not tell me what it cost. Mainly because everything has become and inflated thrid party payer system.

[85Sooner]

Easy.

1. Put a cap on medical lawsuits
2. Deport illegals (they burden the system)
3. Procecute & imprison people for fraud

That's a start. Clean up the system before you start throwing money at the problem.

I agree with these points as well.

[85Sooner]

Have any of you bothered to read the fine print part that says what Obama is offering isn't free when it comes to healthcare?

Can you help me find the copy including the fine print of Obamas plan?

[soonerhubs]

OK, so the Hawaii method didn't work.

So, people, how should children get healthcare? What's your solution?

While you're at it, what's a better plan to fund healthcare for the massive amount of Baby Boomers that are near retirement.

It's all well and good to point out failures. The system is going to be broken really soon, so how do you think it should get fixed?

...'cause relying on the insurance companies to fix the healthcare system on their own...do you honestly think they'll do that out of the goodness of their hearts?

Perhaps the solution is personal accountability and preparing for the future by getting a job, an education, saving money, and building up a food storage system, but that requires folks to get off their lazy asses and go to work. It's worked for my family so far. My grandfather is facing another bout with Cancer in his late 70s and works cattle every day to pay for his medical bills.

You see these commercials with these folks whose lives are "ruined" when their bills become too much to handle. I call BS. They most likely default on the medical loans, the Doctors write it off, and the poor person has to have crappy credit for a few years. If that's considered a ruined life, perhaps we truly have lost our perspective on reality.

I know this may be a foreign concept to the entitlement generation, but perhaps it's time to become familiarized with the concept of paying our own way for things again.

Also, don't give me the line about poor folks never getting a fair start, because if your and your folks are poor you qualify for grants. Also if you're a minority you get many more schollies than I ever got as an undergrad.

[SoonerBorn68]

Have any of you bothered to read the fine print part that says what Obama is offering isn't free when it comes to healthcare?

So what you're saying is that in his speeches there's an asterick?

"I promise free health care for all Americans."*

*Some limitations apply. "Free health care" actually implies raising taxes on all Americans & a redistribution of wealth.

[JohnnyMack]

Yes?

[JohnnyMack]

Niner?

[soonerhubs]

Perhaps the solution is personal accountability and preparing for the future by getting a job, an education, saving money, and building up a food storage system, but that requires folks to get off their lazy asses and go to work. It's worked for my family so far. My grandfather is facing another bout with Cancer in his late 70s and works cattle every day to pay for his medical bills.

You see these commercials with these folks whose lives are "ruined" when their bills become too much to handle. I call BS. They most likely default on the medical loans, the Doctors write it off, and the poor person has to have crappy credit for a few years. If that's considered a ruined life, perhaps we truly have lost our perspective on reality.

I know this may be a foreign concept to the entitlement generation, but perhaps it's time to become familiarized with the concept of paying our own way for things again.

Also, don't give me the line about poor folks never getting a fair start, because if your and your folks are poor you qualify for grants. Also if you're a minority you get many more schollies than I ever got as an undergrad.
So I must be right. :D

[LilSooner]

Offer it for free and no one will pay and you will go bankrupt.

Obama/???????????????????/are you listening???????????You socialist dip****

Hawaii ending universal child health care

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D93SBEUG0&show_article=1


Dude find an effing new website to pull from. Your losing what little credibility you had left.

Seriously.

[SoonerBorn68]

If he'd posted a link from NBC or MSNBC then he'd have no credibility.

[85Sooner]

Dude find an effing new website to pull from. Your losing what little credibility you had left.

Seriously.


Do you have a problem with that website?

http://www.theconservativevoice.com/ap/article.html?mi=D93SI52O0&apc=9020

Better?

[LilSooner]

Oh how soon you all forget... it wasn't too long ago they were posting damaging stories about Sara Pallin and it was decided that was a liberal website not to be trusted.

Hmmm now it's a credible website when you deem fit. Interesting. Very interesting.:rolleyes:

[SoonerBorn68]

Who decided? Your blanket statement indicates you don't know what you're talking about.

[85Sooner]

Oh how soon you all forget... it wasn't too long ago they were posting damaging stories about Sara Pallin and it was decided that was a liberal website not to be trusted.

Hmmm now it's a credible website when you deem fit. Interesting. Very interesting.:rolleyes:

I don't or havn't seen anything regarding what your referring to.

[LilSooner]

Yeah unfortunately the thread got deleted. It was when Bristol came out as pregnant and there were questions about the paternity of Sara Pallin's youngest son.

[85Sooner]

Yeah unfortunately the thread got deleted. It was when Bristol came out as pregnant and there were questions about the paternity of Sara Pallin's youngest son.
I don't know but it may have been
coverage over the fact that some other (less than reliable) sources were reporting that? I don't think that has ever been a serious consideration, it was just that they had nothing else on her and evidently still don't. I like the lady myself.

[LilSooner]

Um know out of all the sources presented and there were quite a few reporting it, that was the only site that was attacked as being liberal biased. But whatever just spin it to suit your particular political agenda.

[85Sooner]

Um know out of all the sources presented and there were quite a few reporting it, that was the only site that was attacked as being liberal biased. But whatever just spin it to suit your particular political agenda.

I do know the initial report came from the Enquirer.

[My Opinion Matters]

So this is the thread where I get my free high horse, right?

[soonerhubs]

So this is the thread where I get my free high horse, right?

Yes, and where yawning is seen as either inciteful or insightful, one or the other. ;)


Yes I know inciteful isn't really a word.

[proud gonzo]

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[Turd_Ferguson]

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[Penguin]

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Huh?

[Curly Bill]

If he'd posted a link from NBC or MSNBC then he'd have no credibility.

Not according to some on here.

[CK Sooner]

I just had a seizure.

[Curly Bill]

I just had a seizure.

Well, you shoulda waited until Brack gives us free health care. Now whatever treatment you might need you might actually have to pay for it yourself.

[proud gonzo]

Huh?
Was that not clear? Lemme try to rephrase it:

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[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Was that not clear? Lemme try to rephrase it:

You lefties are so wonderfuylly persuasive.

[proud gonzo]

You lefties are so wonderfuylly persuasive.actually, i'm right-handed. When I write with my left hand it ends up looking like i have a palsy.

[colleyvillesooner]

I like this new "blow up the stupid political threads with epilepsy" thing.

IN!

[Stoop Dawg]

Can you help me find the copy including the fine print of Obamas plan?

It wasn't very hard to find.

http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/issues/HealthCareFullPlan.pdf

[Stoop Dawg]

So what you're saying is that in his speeches there's an asterick?

"I promise free health care for all Americans."*

*Some limitations apply. "Free health care" actually implies raising taxes on all Americans & a redistribution of wealth.

I haven't heard Obama promise FREE health care to anyone, and his web site certainly doesn't promise any such thing.

His health care plan is horrible, but he certainly doesn't claim it will be FREE. Where do you get that?

[Stoop Dawg]

OK, so the Hawaii method didn't work.

So, people, how should children get healthcare? What's your solution?

While you're at it, what's a better plan to fund healthcare for the massive amount of Baby Boomers that are near retirement.

It's all well and good to point out failures. The system is going to be broken really soon, so how do you think it should get fixed?

...'cause relying on the insurance companies to fix the healthcare system on their own...do you honestly think they'll do that out of the goodness of their hearts?

1. Outlaw group insurance policies

2. Create a national clearing house for health insurance claims & payments (paid for by insurance companies and health care providers)

3. Regulate prices so that all insurance companies pay the same price for the same services

Taking these 3 relatively simple steps will allow substantially more competition in the health insurance industry which will drive down premiums.

[85Sooner]

It wasn't very hard to find.

http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/issues/HealthCareFullPlan.pdf

Read it and it sounds like they are going to try and force health agencies and insurance companies, and drug companies to work for less. Then they are going to "Incentivise" employers.

Anyway you look at it the results can be described in 2 words. Rationing and bankrupt

[85Sooner]

1. Outlaw group insurance policies

2. Create a national clearing house for health insurance claims & payments (paid for by insurance companies and health care providers)

3. Regulate prices so that all insurance companies pay the same price for the same services

Taking these 3 relatively simple steps will allow substantially more competition in the health insurance industry which will drive down premiums.

and make providers list "cash" prices for their services.

[proud gonzo]

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[Turd_Ferguson]

I don't know, I'm still on the floor hav'n a seizure.

[Stoop Dawg]

Read it and it sounds like they are going to try and force health agencies and insurance companies, and drug companies to work for less. Then they are going to "Incentivise" employers.

Anyway you look at it the results can be described in 2 words. Rationing and bankrupt

Indeed, but it's not "FREE". There are many reasons to hate Obama's plan. No need to make up false ones.

[Stoop Dawg]

was that four UFOs or three?

Quit acting like a 2 yr old, please.

Thank you.

[85Sooner]

Indeed, but it's not "FREE". There are many reasons to hate Obama's plan. No need to make up false ones.

I don't think I ever said it would be free. and I think we are in agreement on the policy.

"People will be amazed how expensive "free" can be"

[proud gonzo]

Quit acting like a 2 yr old, please.

Thank you.y'all first ;)

[85Sooner]

Gonzo...... thats a muppet right? ;)

[Stoop Dawg]

y'all first ;)

If you aren't interested in the contents of a thread, don't read it.

If you find that a particular poster's comments aren't worth reading, add them to your.... wait a minute!

[Stoop Dawg]

Sweet. No more annoying images. Life is good again.

[olevetonahill]

y'all first ;)

Hey Punkin , Wanta share My Crayons ?;)

[Stoop Dawg]

How many entries can an ignore list hold? Mine's filling up fast.

[olevetonahill]

How many entries can an ignore list hold? Mine's filling up fast.

You could Jusy try Not reading those posters :P

[Curly Bill]

You could Jusy try Not reading those posters :P

That's usually what I do...

...but today marked my first ever use of the ignore list.

[Harry Beanbag]

You could Jusy try Not reading those posters :P


Kind of difficult when the only thing they post anymore are 4 foot long annoying images in threads they have no business opening.

[proud gonzo]

Gonzo...... thats a muppet right? ;)yep

[Cam]

Obama thinks you can. Oh right , only on the big bad companies that make 250k or more. Course lots of people will need it since the corporations will be laying people off or sending their jobs overseas to pay the extra tax burden.Thus they won't have their healthcare bennies.

So this isn't already happening???

[Stoop Dawg]

So this isn't already happening???

Yes. The US has the 2nd highest corporate tax rates in the world. Why continue down a path to failure?

http://www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/23561.html

Interestingly, some would have you believe that this rate is "misleading" because US corporations "hide" profits. How do they "hide" these profits?

1. By moving the money overseas
2. By passing the "corporate" profits through to their "personal" income (and therefore pay personal income tax rates instead of corporate rates).

I'm not sure that forcing corporations to "hide" money in off-shore accounts in order to avoid taxes is good for the US economy.

As for #2, Obama wants to raise personal income tax rates on individuals earning over $250K, so this becomes less appealing.

In short, Obama wants to pour gas on the fire.

[LosAngelesSooner]

LASsie will pipe in sooner or later with is "republican" slant to this....Why would I chime in? I'm supporting McCain.

Whet, you need to take a break from the boards...

[olevetonahill]

Why would I chime in? I'm supporting McCain. With all MY weak Lib smack .

Whet, you need to take a break from Bashin libs ...

Fixed :P

[LosAngelesSooner]

weeeeeaaaaak

[85Sooner]

So this isn't already happening???

Yes, Because of the same thing. Raise taxes and its going to get even worse. But I know you know that. Hope all is well in the city. Longhorns are living high right now.