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Whet
10/15/2008, 10:33 AM
Well, this is what you can look forward to if Michelle Obama becomes 1st lady:
http://africanpress.wordpress.com/2008/10/15/shocking-development-mrs-obama-decides-enough-is-enough-my-husband-was-born-in-hawaii-and-adopted-by-his-step-father-does-that-make-him-unpatriotic-she-asks-on-a-direct-telephone-to-api/


Shocking development: Mrs Obama decides enough is enough: “My husband was born in Hawaii and adopted by his step father, does that make him unpatriotic; she asks”, on a direct telephone to API.

Posted by africanpress (http://www.africanpress.com/) on October 15, 2008
Accusing API of colluding with American internet bloggers in an effort to bring down her husband, Mrs Obama said she decided to call API because of what she termed, API’s help to spread rumours created by American bloggers and other racist media outlets in their efforts to damage a black man’s name, saying she hopes African Media was mature enough to be in the front to give unwavering support to her husband, a man Africans should identify themselves with.
When API told her that our online news media was only relaying what the American Bloggers and other media outlets had discovered through their investigations, Mrs Obama was angered and she came out loud with the following: “African press International is supposed to support Africans and African-American view,” and she went to state that, “it is strange that API has chosen to support the racists against my husband. There is no shame in being adopted by a step father. All dirt has been thrown onto my husband’s face and yet he loves this country. My husband and I know that there is no law that will stop him from becoming the president, just because some American white racists are bringing up the issue of my husband’s adoption by His step father. The important thing here is where my husband’s heart is at the moment. I can tell the American people that My husband loves this country and his adoption never changed his love for this country. He was born in Hawaii, yes, and that gives him all the right to be an American citizen even though he was adopted by a foreigner; says Michelle Obama on telefon to API.”
This is a very interesting turn of events. The American man Dr Corsi was recently reported to have been arrested in Kenya because there was fear that he might reveal information on Obama when he wanted to hold a press conference in Nairobi.
The question now is why he was arrested and who ordered his arrest. Was Obama’s hand in this in any way? We will never know the truth but what is clear is that Dr Corsi was seen as a threat while in Kenya.
When API asked Mrs Obama to comment on why Dr Corsi was arrested by the Kenyan government and whether she thought Kenya’s Prime Minister Mr Raila Odinga was involved in Dr Corsi’s arrest, she got irritated and and simply told API not to dig that which will support evil people who are out to stop her husband from getting the presidency.
When asked who she was referring to as the evil people, she stated that she was not going to elaborate much on that but that many conservative white people and even some African Americans were against her husband, but that this group of blacks were simply doing so because of envy.
On Farakhan and his ministry, Mrs Obama told API that it was unfortunate that Mr Farakhan came out the way he did supporting her husband openly before the elections was over. That was not wholehearted support but one that was calculated to convince the American people that my husband will support the growth of muslim faith if he became the president, adding “even if my husband was able to prove that he is not a Muslim, he will not be believed by those who have come out strongly to destroy his chances of being the next President. Do real people expect someone to deny a religion when 80 percent of his relatives are Muslims?; Mrs Obama asked.
Mrs Obama asked API to write a good story about her husband and that will earn API an invitation to the innoguration ceremony when, as she put it , her husband will be installed as the next President of the United States of America next year.

tbl
10/15/2008, 10:42 AM
If this is true, it could mean... probably nothing. However its never good for her to being throwing around the term "white racists".

The Muslim comment confuses me too...

SoonerTroll
10/15/2008, 10:47 AM
This is a crazy tactic, making it sound like everyone is out to get her husband because of his race. If they really want to move on past racisim as a nation, then do not say that every attack on Obama is somehow related to race. It's a sad and pathetic attempt to brush off important questions and get sympathy from an uninformed public.

frankensooner
10/15/2008, 10:48 AM
Did she ever kill one of her ex-boyfriends like our current first lady?

olevetonahill
10/15/2008, 10:53 AM
Did she ever kill one of her ex-boyfriends like our current first lady?

WTF ????

StoopTroup
10/15/2008, 10:56 AM
I believe she is black right?

It's a tough place to be IMO.

I think she has the right to say how she feels.

They asked her the question and she answered.

Seems like they didn't like her answer to me.

soonerscuba
10/15/2008, 11:24 AM
You have to be a dolt of epic proportions to believe that article. We get it Whet, you will believe any fringe lunacy about Obama and come let us know about it. How many more times will you post blatant falsehood from fringe sources?

StoopTroup
10/15/2008, 11:31 AM
You have to be a dolt of epic proportions to believe that article. We get it Whet, you will believe any fringe lunacy about Obama and come let us know about it. How many more times will you post blatant falsehood from fringe sources?

Heh.

http://www.soonerfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=122555

SoonerInKCMO
10/15/2008, 11:31 AM
WTF ????

I believe that's her drunk driving accident he's referring to.

soonerscuba
10/15/2008, 11:33 AM
I believe that's her drunk driving accident he's referring to.She wasn't drunk. It was an accident, plain and simple.

SoonerInKCMO
10/15/2008, 11:35 AM
Oh... I'm mis-remembering the details. My bad. :O

JohnnyMack
10/15/2008, 11:38 AM
Whet, you're the worst poster around here. At least rush and tuba occassionally offer up opinions, you just generally fail.

Whet
10/15/2008, 11:40 AM
You have to be a dolt of epic proportions to believe that article. We get it Whet, you will believe any fringe lunacy about Obama and come let us know about it. How many more times will you post blatant falsehood from fringe sources?

I think we free-thinkers get your gist: Anything that provides another side of the messiah Barrack of Obama is verboten and false.

Howzit
10/15/2008, 11:40 AM
Whet, you're the worst poster around here. At least rush and tuba occassionally offer up opinions, you just generally fail.

What do you mean? His opinion is that's what you have to look forward to.

Dumas.

achiro
10/15/2008, 11:41 AM
So wait, did she say that stuff or not? All I get is people attacking whet for posting, is it false info or are you guys just mad at whet?

Whet
10/15/2008, 11:45 AM
They are getting into their "destroy opposition" mode, just like Obama's "Red Diaper Baby" campaign manager, David Axelrod.

Plus, Johnny Smack, you want an opinion: You and your ilk will be dreading the day Obama is elected (if he is) in about 2 1/2 years. That is, unless you are a die-hard committed socialist.

soonerscuba
10/15/2008, 11:48 AM
So wait, did she say that stuff or not? All I get is people attacking whet for posting, is it false info or are you guys just mad at whet?Initial reports are that's entirely fabricated. I have only seen one reporter from ABC comment on it, he claims there was not a shred of facual basis for it, he just wanted the crazies to stop emailing him about it.

As for Whet, I don't have a problem at all with people who don't like Obama because of policy, I understand their reasons. You, however, come here and post drivel. Not only is it drivel, most of the time it's fabricated drivel that only a non-functioning alcoholic without access to the most basic of fact checking tools would ever believe.

Whet
10/15/2008, 11:50 AM
Initial reports are that's entirely fabricated. I have only seen one reporter from ABC comment on it, he claims there was not a shred of facual basis for it, he just wanted the crazies to stop emailing him about it.

As for Whet, I don't have a problem at all with people who don't like Obama because of policy, I understand their reasons. You, however, come here and post drivel. Not only is it drivel, most of the time it's fabricated drivel that only a non-functioning alcoholic without access to the most basic of fact checking tools would ever believe.

Yep, that is something you can believe, a reporter from ABC!
Too bad fact checking would entail a search of Daily Kos, NY Times, and Huffington Post!

Widescreen
10/15/2008, 11:55 AM
So is this legit? If so, it's pretty much a catastrophe for Obama. It needs to be proven either true or false.

soonerscuba
10/15/2008, 11:57 AM
Yep, that is something you can believe, a reporter from ABC!
Too bad fact checking would entail a search of Daily Kos, NY Times, and Huffington Post!You're as dumb as they come. I'm out.

Ardmore_Sooner
10/15/2008, 12:00 PM
I have only seen one reporter from ABC comment on it...

I'm not saying that the article is true or false, but this is your defense? :confused:

Viking Kitten
10/15/2008, 12:01 PM
Can I be Johnny Mack's ilk? I've always thought being an ilk sounded kind of cool. Like of one crazy made up animals in a Dr. Seuss book.

In Johnny Mack's basement lives his ilk
With hair smooth as silk
Who drinks all his milk.

Frozen Sooner
10/15/2008, 12:02 PM
I'm not saying that the article is true or false, but this is your defense? :confused:

As opposed to that well-known bastion of the truth, africanpress.com?

Jerk
10/15/2008, 12:04 PM
What a wonderful First Lady she will be. Everything will be seen through the lens of race and nationality. "Whitey" will be after her husband to destroy his agenda of peace, love, and spreading the wealth around.

JohnnyMack
10/15/2008, 12:04 PM
Can I be Johnny Mack's ilk? I've always thought being an ilk sounded kind of cool. Like of one crazy made up animals in a Dr. Seuss book.

In Johnny Mack's basement lives his ilk
With hair smooth as silk
Who drinks all his milk.

Get in my basement.

It puts the lotion on it's skin!!!

StoopTroup
10/15/2008, 12:05 PM
I think we free-thinkers get your gist: Anything that provides another side of the messiah Barrack of Obama is verboten and false.

lol.

Condescending much?

Stuff like that makes your stuff even more lame...

Widescreen
10/15/2008, 12:06 PM
I just can't see this as being real. She would've had to be high to make that phone call. I don't doubt that she actually believes some of the things attributed to her, but I just can't picture her actually verbalizing it.

Frozen Sooner
10/15/2008, 12:09 PM
I just can't see this as being real. She would've had to be high to make that phone call. I don't doubt that she actually believes some of the things attributed to her, but I just can picture her actually verbalizing it.

What, you think a sister can't talk? ;)

Ardmore_Sooner
10/15/2008, 12:10 PM
As opposed to that well-known bastion of the truth, africanpress.com?

I trust the news (ABC, CNN , FoxNews, MSNBC) as much as a a random blog. It's all slanted one way or another. Try reading the BBC News. :D

Okla-homey
10/15/2008, 12:16 PM
I'm going to tread very lightly here, and since we're all friends, hopefully this will not be taken the wrong way. Or not. Either way, here goes:

Michelle Obama majored at Princeton in Sociology and minored in African American studies, where she graduated cum laude with a Bachelor of Arts in 1985 before moving on to Harvard Law.

Now, that said, what sort of stuff do you think she was exposed to throughout her undergrad years from the faculty of those under-grad disciplines at a bastion of liberalism like Princeton? I can imagine the vitriole-laden professorial screeds delivered in countless lectures by her instructors, and perhaps you can too.

Add to that, her exposure to the tender ministries and sermonizing by Rev. Wright for twenty odd years, and this sort of response is understandable. Regrettable, but understandable.

leavingthezoo
10/15/2008, 12:21 PM
i can't wait to hear the audio tape because... i'm positive there is audio tape. i mean, isn't there?

i bet its in the same vault with the video tape of her yelling "Whitey".

OBAMA IS GOING DOWN!

OU4LIFE
10/15/2008, 12:24 PM
I've said it before, along with everyone else,

This is the best we have to choose from?

**** me.

royalfan5
10/15/2008, 12:26 PM
Fun Fact, her brother is the Head Basketball Coach at Oregon State.

leavingthezoo
10/15/2008, 12:29 PM
Fun Fact, her brother is the Head Basketball Coach at Oregon State.

Well, that does it!

mdklatt
10/15/2008, 12:33 PM
Well, that does it!

No, no, no, he said Oregon State, not Oregon. Oregon State is the good one--they keep beating USC.

leavingthezoo
10/15/2008, 12:35 PM
Their name is OREGON state. they are clearly palling around with the ducks.

KC//CRIMSON
10/15/2008, 12:37 PM
They are getting into their "destroy opposition" mode, just like Obama's "Red Diaper Baby" campaign manager, David Axelrod.

Plus, Johnny Smack, you want an opinion: You and your ilk will be dreading the day Obama is elected (if he is) in about 2 1/2 years. That is, unless you are a die-hard committed socialist.


You get 'em Captain Kangaroo!

StoopTroup
10/15/2008, 12:40 PM
Holy ****....the fear mongering continues...

Please make it stop....

If this financial crisis hasn't done us in by now....Obama isn't going end our way of life either.

My Gawd....get a grip Whet.

royalfan5
10/15/2008, 12:43 PM
Well, that does it!

But he is planning on 5:30 AM practices and a modified version of the Princeton offense.

Whet
10/15/2008, 01:12 PM
From America's Right Blog:

My source is Jerome Corsi, author of the bestselling book, The Obama Nation. Corsi, of course, was the journalist detained in and deported from Kenya just a short week ago, shortly before he was to conduct a press conference further detailing among other things the relationship between Barack Obama and Kenyan Prime Minister Raila Odinga.

Since hearing about the article released yesterday by African Press International, Corsi has been attempting to gain access to or even further information about materials which could verify the authenticity of the statements purported to come from Michelle Obama and subsequently denied by the Obama campaign.

"Given the e-mails I'm getting from the chief editor, he's defending himself and I'm challenging him to produce the recording he says that he has," Corsi said. "I don't see any motive for him to lie. Still, I'm not accepting it as authentic without further investigation."

Corsi went on to say that, "given the way he is defending it," the report seems to be initially credible, and that "right now, my journalistic instincts say 'okay, you've got my attention, and if you're prepared to say it's reliable, then prove it.'"

"I'm seriously interested, of course, but I need verification," Corsi said. "I'm not buying this as a sure thing without verification."

Corsi provided me with his e-mail exchange with the editors at African Press International as of 1:30 p.m. on Wednesday. This exchange, he said, will "validate that we're in touch, and that they're certainly under pressure to come forward."
From: Jerome Corsi
To: [Address Blocked]
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 5:27 PM
Subject: J.Corsi on Michelle Obama story

Jim

I am the person who called you about your Michelle Obama article today. You refer to me in the article -- We are getting inundated by our readers to know if the story is true. Did you record Michelle Obama and can you release to me the audio tape.

This is very important. Please get back to me immediately.

Jerome R. Corsi
Senior Staff Reporter
World Net Daily
www.worldnetdaily.com (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/)
[Number Blocked]

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From: African Press International (API)
Subject: Re: J.Corsi on Michelle Obama story
To: [Address Blocked]
Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 11:53 AM

I want to thank you for your email.

API hereby confirms to you that the story is true and if the huge interest on this particular story continues, we will post the recording on our website in the next immediate days.

When we published the story we did not intend to cause any chaos but we are shocked by the huge interest the story is receiving from the Americans and the American Media.

Mrs Obama called us just to ask API to stop joining the mainstream hate online media that is trying to destroy her husband's opportunity to get the presidency.

Our editorial will sit today and agree on how to release the information that will verify the story.

Very many media outlets are asking us to email them the recording but we think the best way to satisfy all at once is by publishing it on our website and people can retrieve it themselves.

We understand the urgency this may have but it is important for us that we do it right so that we do not land into problems with Obama's just like you did while in Kenyan recently.

Yours Sincerely,

Chief Editor Korikr

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From: Jerome Corsi
To: African Press International (API)
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: J.Corsi on Michelle Obama story

If you have a recording of Michelle Obama it is imperative you make it available now. We at World Net Daily are getting inundated with requests to prove your story is true.

Jerry Corsi
World Net Daily
www.worldnetdaily.com (http://www.worldnetdaily.com)
[number blocked]

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From: African Press International (API)
Subject: Re: J.Corsi on Michelle Obama story
To: [Address Blocked]
Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 12:57 PM

To Jerome Corsi,

We do not want to be misunderstood. We are not out to stop Obama from capturing the presidency.

We are not here to prove to people the story, but we will give proper verification so that people will understand that the story is true.

Soon, when we come with more information on the site, those who doubt the story will be surprised why Mrs Obama would choose to talk to us and not other media outlets.

We will bring out information on how she was connected to us, how she was convinced her story was safe with us and why she trusted API. And who introduced her to those who contacted API first before she personally took contact in an effort to ensure that API does not publish things on her husband that may be seen to be harmfull.

If we start dishing out audio to media outlets, we will be misunderstood. We do not want people to think that we published the story in order to spoil Obama's chances to become the president.

Those who are contacting you demanding that the story should be verified now, should be directed by your media to check our website in the next day or two. All the information will be made available, but we must do it carefully.

Regards,

Chief Editor Korir
API



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From: Jerome Corsi
Subject: Re: J.Corsi on Michelle Obama story

To: "African Press International (API)"
Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 1:24 PM

Chief Editor Korir,

I understand your position. You should be aware that the reaction of my publishers and what I am getting from various news editors contacting me is that this may be a hoax. Your credibility and the credibility of your story will be increasingly in question the longer you postpone making a tape available. Right now, the Obama campaign is telling us that you are lying and that Michelle Obama never made any such call to you.

I convey this to you as a fellow journalist prepared to believe that what you published is true. Now that it has been called into question, please do not hesitate to prove your authenticity and the truthfulness of what you published.

Respectfully,
Jerome R. Corsi
World Net Daily
[Number Blocked]

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From: Jerome Corsi
Subject: Re: J.Corsi on Michelle Obama story
To: "African Press International (API)"

Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 1:44 PM

Mr. Korir,

This is what is running on National Review Online right now. The Obama campaign is denying your report and in the USA your API is being disregarded as untruthful:

National Review OnLine
Wednesday, October 15, 2008
That Michelle Obama Report [Byron York]
I'm sure a lot of you have seen references this morning to statements allegedly made by Michelle Obama in an interview with an organization called African Press International. I just asked the Obama campaign whether Michelle Obama did in fact speak to that organization, and spokesman Tommy Vietor answered:
The answer is no, it's not real, the report is made up. She did not speak to the organization.
Check it out here: http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YWM2MDA2NzZkNzdjNWMzZGFlOGJiZGUxMzNhYjJkZDI
I encourage you to come forward with proof as soon as possible, including any Michelle Obama tape recording you may have. Otherwise, your report and your publication will soon be considered "discredited" in the USA by the Obama camp response.
Respectfully,
Jerome R. Corsi

World Net Daily
According to Jerome Corsi, that is the extent of the e-mail exchange so far. So far, he says, he is cautiously optimistic, and wants to ensure that pressure remains on the editors at African Press International to verify their claims and Michelle Obama's statements.

"If they have a tape and they release it, this will be extremely damaging to the Obama campaign," Corsi said. "If they don't, there's just another indication that there's smoke but no fire. We'll just have to wait and see."

MORE COMING....





1:00pm

Frank Gaffney at The Washington Times made reference to Philip Berg's lawsuit against Barack Obama in yesterday's paper, apparently, stating the following in an article entitled "The Jihadist Vote" (http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/14/the-jihadist-vote/):
Another question yet to be resolved is whether Mr. Obama is a natural born citizen of the United States, a prerequisite pursuant to the U.S. Constitution. There is evidence Mr. Obama was born in Kenya rather than, as he claims, Hawaii. There is also a registration document for a school in Indonesia where the would-be president studied for four years, on which he was identified not only as a Muslim but as an Indonesian. If correct, the latter could give rise to another potential problem with respect to his eligibility to be president. Curiously, Mr. Obama has, to date, failed to provide an authentic birth certificate which could clear up the matter.
Philip Berg, just last evening, mentioned that he had completed a lengthy interview with a reporter from The Washington Times who had not yet heard of the federal suit and was "extremely intrigued by the whole thing." Upon hearing about this story, however, Berg mentioned that the reporter he spoke with was not Frank Gaffney -- so perhaps there is more to come.

12:45pm

Now, here's the deal. I still think that the African Press International story, as it stands, is a complete fraud. However, the addition of a telephone number to be used for verification purposes--there was no answer at the other end--definitely piqued my interest and motivated me to make a few telephone calls.

My source--who, at this point, cannot be named--said that while he did not hear the audiotape himself, he knew for certain that they were in possession of it. This, of course, reminds me of back in 1992 when supporters of then President George Herbert Walker Bush said that they were in possession of a photograph of Bill Clinton burning an American flag in a Moscow square, only no such photograph ever turned up.

Again, we need to be careful here. On its face, the African Press International piece is about as suspect as it could be. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever that Michelle Obama would call this fly-by-night organization, which hadn't been kind to her husband, and make such outrageously incriminating and otherwise divisive statements so close to the election. She may be an angry woman, but she's also an intelligent one and should know the ramifications of saying such things.

This story has obviously taken off, so much so that it has been noted on two separate well-respected political blogs.

Byron York at National Review mentioned the rumors at The Corner (http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YWM2MDA2NzZkNzdjNWMzZGFlOGJiZGUxMzNhYjJkZDI), but oddly enough almost went out of his way not to mention anything about citizenship:

That Michelle Obama Report

I'm sure a lot of you have seen references this morning to statements allegedly made by Michelle Obama in an interview with an organization called African Press International. I just asked the Obama campaign whether Michelle Obama did in fact speak to that organization, and spokesman Tommy Vietor answered:
The answer is no, it's not real, the report is made up. She did not speak to the organization.
ABCNews' Jake Tapper was a little more specific on his Internet blog, Political Punch (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/10/obama-campaign.html). Tapper went on to say that representatives of the Obama campaign dismissed the report as "all a lie," and that he found their response "quite believable":
[B]OBAMA CAMPAIGN SAYS MICHELLE OBAMA 'INTERVIEW' ON 'AFRICAN PRESS' WEBSITE IS 100% BOGUS
The conservative blogs are all atwitter about a bizarre interview allegedly with Michelle Obama on a website called "African Press International."
“My husband was born in Hawaii and adopted by his step father, does that make him unpatriotic," she supposedly said "on a direct telephone to API" the "interview" hypes. It goes on from there.
This morning my inbox is filled with the "WHY ARENT YOU COVERING THIS?" emails on the subject. The answer is: because it doesn't appear to be in any way real.
Obama campaign senior adviser Robert Gibbs says the interview is a complete and utter fabrication. "It's bogus, she didn't call, it's all a lie," he says.
And I have to say -- I find their pushback quite believable. The Obama campaign does not tend to directly engage fringe websites making wild charges, and if they were to do so they certainly wouldn't have Michelle Obama make the call.
Maybe the folks at API were taken in by an imposter. Maybe they made it up, I don't know.
In these last three weeks, there is going to be a lot of dung thrown at the wall. Lots of charges and counter-charges and counter-counter-charges.
A word to the wise, my friends. I don't know if you know this, but not everything that appears on the internet is true.
I'm with them both. Standing on its face, the purported interview doesn't pass the sniff test. It sounds contrived. It's too convenient. Still, with my source saying that there is audiotaped evidence that it is true, I cannot help but wonder. Phil Berg, confronted with this information, said pretty much the same thing.

"Obviously we cannot say whether or not these statements made by Michelle Obama really were made by Michelle Obama," Berg said. "However, should they have come from her, it really solidifies the arguments I've been making for the past few months. We need to wait until someone has the audiotape, but even without it, there should be enough out there that somebody should ask Obama about it at tonight's debate. Where were you born, Barack Obama? Are you Indonesian, Barack Obama?"

In the meantime, one of the readers here at America's Right e-mailed me with a response he received from the people at African Press International when asked about the authenticity of the Michelle Obama statements. The message:


Proof will soon be on the website.

API10:30am

Listen, I'll be the first to admit that I was wrong. And I think I was wrong.

I was just involved in a telephone conversation with a very reputable source who says there is very, very likely an audiotape showing that Michelle Obama did in fact say what she said.

I cannot say more right now, as to the source, but let's put it this way -- If you want to know something about Barack Obama, you talk to this guy.

KEEP CHECKING HERE!!

Posted by Jeff Schreiberhttp://www.americasright.com/

we shall see if they produce a tape, or not.

Okla-homey
10/15/2008, 01:17 PM
Holy ****....the fear mongering continues...

Please make it stop....

If this financial crisis hasn't done us in by now....Obama isn't going end our way of life either.

My Gawd....get a grip Whet.


If he wins, at least there's no way he could raise taxes enough to initiate universal healthcare along the Canadian or European models. We really dodged a bullet on that one.

Frozen Sooner
10/15/2008, 01:18 PM
Good thing, too. You know how much it COSTS to get a bullet wound treated?

Widescreen
10/15/2008, 01:28 PM
This just sounds bogus to me. If they had a tape, they would've posted it already. I don't know what motivation they would have to make this up, but it just seems to ridiculous too be real. If it is real, it would create hilarious political theater for the next couple of weeks.

mdklatt
10/15/2008, 01:31 PM
I don't know what motivation they would have to make this up

Seriously?

LosAngelesSooner
10/15/2008, 01:35 PM
I think we free-thinkers ...BWA...HA....HA!!!!! :D:D:D:D:D:D

Widescreen
10/15/2008, 01:39 PM
Seriously?

Yes. Seriously. Educate me on what this organization is. I've never heard of them.

mdklatt
10/15/2008, 01:57 PM
Yes. Seriously. Educate me on what this organization is. I've never heard of them.

Honestly, I just skimmed the original post. I saw that Whet started the thread and assumed that it involves some combination of Worldnutdaily and possibly other completely off-the-wall sources of dubious credibility. If that's true, Worldnutdaily never met a lie about Obama it wouldn't print in bold letters. It's all about spreading FUD and whipping the rabid right-wingers into a frothy foam of hatred. It's aimed at people who don't merely neglect to check snopes.com before forwarding every anti-Obama screed to their entire address book, but who when confronted with with evidence to the contrary believe it even more.

Widescreen
10/15/2008, 02:03 PM
Well, apparently this was done by some group called African Press. Don't know anything about them. Hence my comment about not knowing if they had a reason to make up the story.

olevetonahill
10/15/2008, 02:07 PM
Im about this the way I am about Bomar. If Ya have some relevant Info Give it up Or STFU . Not you Whet thee Press Bunch .
I also Find It Humorous that the Libs Here Join forces and Attack any Con. that Posts anything about Obama :rolleyes:

LosAngelesSooner
10/15/2008, 02:19 PM
From America's Right Blog:
http://www.americasright.com/

we shall see if they produce a tape, or not.They won't.

Meanwhile...real issues that actually require thought persist...

LosAngelesSooner
10/15/2008, 02:24 PM
The guy who wrote it:




Corsi's Track Record

Corsi is a renowned conspiracy theorist who says that George Bush is attempting to create a North American Union (http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=14965) (we looked at that here (http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/wrong_paul.html)) and that there is evidence that the World Trade Center may have collapsed because it was seeded with explosives (http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/08/14/anti-obama-author-on-911-conspiracy/). More recently, Corsi claimed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6LtCiXDBak) that Obama released a fake birth certificate. We've debunked that twice (http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/has_obamas_birth_certificate_been_disclosed.html) now (http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html). And, as our colleagues at PolitiFact.com found (http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/aug/20/obama-nation-corsi-facts-fire/), many of the themes in "The Obama Nation" are reworked versions of bogus chain e-mail smears.

Logically, any argument should rise or fall on its own merits, not the reputation of the person making it. A logical fallacy – known as the "genetic fallacy" – occurs when someone rejects an argument based on its origins. The correctness of a claim should be judged by the relationship the claim has with the rest of the world.

Nevertheless, a practical rule of thumb for everyday living is to rely on sources that have proven themselves to be trustworthy, and to check even on those when an issue is in dispute.

In Corsi's case, we judge that both his reputation and his latest book fall short when measured by the standards of good scholarship, or even of mediocre journalism.

– by Joe Millerhttp://http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/corsis_dull_hatchet.html (http://http//www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/corsis_dull_hatchet.html)

C&CDean
10/15/2008, 02:29 PM
Personally, I couldn't give a **** what the crazy bitch says. I have no doubt she has called white folks whitey, honky, cracker, and whatever other creative names there are out there for us European-Americans. Many, many times. Did she do it here? The bottom line is, who the **** cares?

If you are somebody who would change their vote at this point in time because some new evidence of her being a racist bitch has popped up then you're really, really stupid.

I would never vote for her husband for a ****load of reasons. Her being a racist isn't one of them.

soonerscuba
10/15/2008, 02:30 PM
Im about this the way I am about Bomar. If Ya have some relevant Info Give it up Or STFU . Not you Whet thee Press Bunch .
I also Find It Humorous that the Libs Here Join forces and Attack any Con. that Posts anything about Obama :rolleyes:Here's where I disagree with you vet. The burden of proof lies within the media to prove a fact. It isn't Obama or the lib's job to prove that he doesn't finance terrorist, or that his wife is a racist.

LosAngelesSooner
10/15/2008, 02:33 PM
Im about this the way I am about Bomar. If Ya have some relevant Info Give it up Or STFU . Not you Whet thee Press Bunch .
I also Find It Humorous that the Libs Here Join forces and Attack any Con. that Posts anything about Obama :rolleyes:Or, it could be that some of us McCain supporters are sick of the retarded right tin foil hat wearing fringe of our party making the rest of us look bad when our candidate COULD have won if he had concentrated on the issues rather than trying blind hail mary passes like choosing a pretty, but completely unqualified runningmate who'd stir up those same fringe people in the religious right or concentrating on a domestic terrorist's actions from when Obama was 8 years old. :rolleyes:

The issues are where McCain could have won this election. The distractions, smears and conspiracy theories are what's losing it for him.

mdklatt
10/15/2008, 02:36 PM
Well, apparently this was done by some group called African Press.

Well there's the "off-the-wall source of dubious credibility" I was talking about. Since Whet is apparently hooked in to the Worldnutdaily RSS feed, I bet that's where this came from.

Widescreen
10/15/2008, 02:38 PM
If you're trying to convince me of something, you're failing. I've already said I doubt it's real.

SoonerProphet
10/15/2008, 02:40 PM
From America's Right Blog:
http://www.americasright.com/

we shall see if they produce a tape, or not.

Heh, The National Review and Frank Gaffney...the liars that brought you the Iraq War and now selling out the GOP to slither under some other rock for ten years or so.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
10/15/2008, 02:40 PM
I'm out.For real? buh bye.

LosAngelesSooner
10/15/2008, 02:45 PM
For real? buh bye.If only you would say/do this very thing...the resulting cheers around here would be RESOUNDING...

mdklatt
10/15/2008, 02:45 PM
For real? buh bye.

Off topic, but I hope you're spekking Whet every chance you get for making you look rational. :D

LosAngelesSooner
10/15/2008, 02:46 PM
Oh, and a quick Google search on this just revealed:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/15/fake-michelle-obama-inter_n_134864.html

I don't really like the source...but I will say that it's about what I expected.

Frozen Sooner
10/15/2008, 02:48 PM
You know, when the originally posted article claiming to be from African Press International contains some pretty egregious errors-among them miscapitalizing their own name and misspealilng "inauguration" as "innoguration" it's probably a good indicator that a legitimate news source didn't dig this up.

Frozen Sooner
10/15/2008, 02:48 PM
Misspelled "Farrakhan" several times as well, I might add.

Frozen Sooner
10/15/2008, 02:49 PM
Oops. I see that LAS already posted a link pointing this out.

mdklatt
10/15/2008, 02:50 PM
Oh, and a quick Google search on this just revealed:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/15/fake-michelle-obama-inter_n_134864.html

I don't really like the source...but I will say that it's about what I expected.


Beyond that, there were obvious signs that the interview, and the organization, is fakety-fake McFake. For example: there are two "r's" in "Farrakhan." "Inauguration" is not spelled "innoguration." And you'd think that a writer for "African Press International" would be clear on the concept of capitalizing one's own publication's name.

Heh. Now we know who keeps responding to all those Nigerian e-mail scams.

C&CDean
10/15/2008, 03:05 PM
Like I said, you lefties are spending way too much time on this. It. Doesn't. Matter.

Folks that are voting for him will vote for him even if they find out he helped finance 9-11 and cheered like the other ****wads when they saw the buildings go down. They'll vote for him if they find out he's a dues paying member of the Black Panthers. They'll vote for him if they find out he's got a Karl Marx shrine in his living room. It. Doesn't. Matter.

Just quit yapping about it and wasting time doing all the innerweb searches trying to gun down this whole "conspiracy." STFU and go vote on the 4th for chrissakes. I'm sick of it all.

OU4LIFE
10/15/2008, 03:11 PM
I think what Dean is trying to say guys is 'wah'.


;)

C&CDean
10/15/2008, 03:16 PM
Nope. Just "enough."

Whet isn't going to change anyone's mind copying the psychobabble crap, and the lefties ain't changing anybody's mind either with their silly reactionary responses. There's enough dirt on Obama out there already to dissuade anyone from voting for him. Folks who dig him are gonna vote for him regardless. Just vote, and STFU.

LosAngelesSooner
10/15/2008, 03:21 PM
Like I said, you lefties are spending way too much time on this. It. Doesn't. Matter.

Folks that are voting for him will vote for him even if they find out he helped finance 9-11 and cheered like the other ****wads when they saw the buildings go down. They'll vote for him if they find out he's a dues paying member of the Black Panthers. They'll vote for him if they find out he's got a Karl Marx shrine in his living room. It. Doesn't. Matter.

Just quit yapping about it and wasting time doing all the innerweb searches trying to gun down this whole "conspiracy." STFU and go vote on the 4th for chrissakes. I'm sick of it all.Yeah.

All Obama supporters are brainwashed, unAmerican terrorists who hate the Constitution. They wouldn't care if he was proven to have actually orchestrated 9-11. Whereas us McCain supporters love America and are trying to save it from a Socialist, Communist regime that is attempting a coup via vote in order to destroy our nation and make us all gay. None of us have open minds and can rationally discuss issues and process and make our own decisions.

You got it all figured out Dean.

Any more Pearls you'd like to toss the swine around here? :rolleyes:

C&CDean
10/15/2008, 03:33 PM
Yeah.

All Obama supporters are brainwashed, unAmerican terrorists who hate the Constitution. They wouldn't care if he was proven to have actually orchestrated 9-11. Whereas us McCain supporters love America and are trying to save it from a Socialist, Communist regime that is attempting a coup via vote in order to destroy our nation and make us all gay. None of us have open minds and can rationally discuss issues and process and make our own decisions.

You got it all figured out Dean.

Any more Pearls you'd like to toss the swine around here? :rolleyes:

And you never disappoint, do you Mr. Cliffjumper?

If you read all that into what I said, then you're a dumbass and don't deserve a response. Nobody in this thread was "rationally discussing issues." They're irrationally posting **** off the innerweb, and you leftistas are irrationally attacking the poster of said ****.

People have their minds made up, and if they don't, they're ****ed up beyond all ****ed-up-edness. If you are seriously teetering between these two candidates you need to seek immediate psychological help. And by "you" I mean anybody who still hasn't made up their mind yet.

I could very easily be talked into a no-politics 2-weeks leading up to the election right about now. It's getting pathetically mundane.

TUSooner
10/15/2008, 03:33 PM
You have to be a dolt of epic proportions to believe that article. We get it Whet, you will believe any fringe lunacy about Obama and come let us know about it. How many more times will you post blatant falsehood from fringe sources?

Exactly. That is the kind of **** that marks the political discourse of weeny heads. Plus only a ********* ******* or a ****** ****** with a ******* would have Richard Speck as his avatar.

olevetonahill
10/15/2008, 03:42 PM
And you never disappoint, do you Mr. Cliffjumper?

If you read all that into what I said, then you're a dumbass and don't deserve a response. Nobody in this thread was "rationally discussing issues." They're irrationally posting **** off the innerweb, and you leftistas are irrationally attacking the poster of said ****.

People have their minds made up, and if they don't, they're ****ed up beyond all ****ed-up-edness. If you are seriously teetering between these two candidates you need to seek immediate psychological help. And by "you" I mean anybody who still hasn't made up their mind yet.

I could very easily be talked into a no-politics 2-weeks leading up to the election right about now. It's getting pathetically mundane.

Dean and I must have a few things In Common ;)
Im also sick of all this He said, she said , he said, she said
The lefties say there piece and are Run down By the righties and Vice verse :rolleyes:

LosAngelesSooner
10/15/2008, 04:06 PM
And you never disappoint, do you Mr. Cliffjumper?

If you read all that into what I said, then you're a dumbass and don't deserve a response. Nobody in this thread was "rationally discussing issues." They're irrationally posting **** off the innerweb, and you leftistas are irrationally attacking the poster of said ****. It was quite easy to "read that into" what you posted since it's WHAT YOU POSTED.

Secondly, you responded, so obviously you don't think I'm a dumbass.

Thirdly, if you were really open for rational discussion you wouldn't still be doing the tired old crap of calling me a "lefty," "leftista" or "lib" when I clearly am not, never have claimed to be and don't even agree with many of their policies and stances. You'd be more open to actual discussion, not childish name calling. Especially when it's baseless.


People have their minds made up, and if they don't, they're ****ed up beyond all ****ed-up-edness. If you are seriously teetering between these two candidates you need to seek immediate psychological help. And by "you" I mean anybody who still hasn't made up their mind yet.

I could very easily be talked into a no-politics 2-weeks leading up to the election right about now. It's getting pathetically mundane.And I'm sure you could unilaterally make that decision. :rolleyes:

I hate to pull this oldie but goodie out again but, if you don't like it, don't read it.

:pop:

sooner_born_1960
10/15/2008, 04:11 PM
Yeah.

All Obama supporters are brainwashed, unAmerican terrorists who hate the Constitution. They wouldn't care if he was proven to have actually orchestrated 9-11. Whereas us McCain supporters love America and are trying to save it from a Socialist, Communist regime that is attempting a coup via vote in order to destroy our nation and make us all gay. None of us have open minds and can rationally discuss issues and process and make our own decisions.


Finally. The voice of reason.

stoopified
10/15/2008, 04:23 PM
Like I said, you lefties are spending way too much time on this. It. Doesn't. Matter.

Folks that are voting for him will vote for him even if they find out he helped finance 9-11 and cheered like the other ****wads when they saw the buildings go down. They'll vote for him if they find out he's a dues paying member of the Black Panthers. They'll vote for him if they find out he's got a Karl Marx shrine in his living room. It. Doesn't. Matter.

Just quit yapping about it and wasting time doing all the innerweb searches trying to gun down this whole "conspiracy." STFU and go vote on the 4th for chrissakes. I'm sick of it all.At last,the voice of reason.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
10/15/2008, 04:25 PM
Off topic, but I hope you're spekking Whet every chance you get for making you look rational. :DWhet is very rational. Obama is a socialist, and will be very damaging to the country if electd. Apparently, it's what you and the other board delusionists want.

Spray
10/15/2008, 04:34 PM
Just because it ought to be moderately amusing:

I really haven't made up my mind yet. Seriously.

oumartin
10/15/2008, 04:43 PM
I'm voting for McCain cuz I'm racist. No teeterting back and forth for me.

Whet
10/15/2008, 04:43 PM
Here's to the Obamaites - really important information about Michelle Obama:
http://www.suntimes.com/news/foster/1131580,CST-NWS-stella28.article

MICHELLE OBAMA'S SPEECH at the DNC convention was phenomenal and her outfit and hair style was perfect. She is described as the "Black Jackie O" on the Internet . . . as in the late first lady Jackie Kennedy. I say she is the black Michelle Obama . . . no more . . . no less. And to the women readers asking who did Michelle's hair because they loved it: Top hairstylist Johnny Wright, a former Chicagoan now living in Los Angeles, flew to Denver to coif the potential first lady. Wright has been doing Michelle's hair for about a year. So, now you know.
And congrats to her hubby on clinching the Democratic nomination!

Chuck Bao
10/15/2008, 06:53 PM
Personally, I couldn't give a **** what the crazy bitch says. I have no doubt she has called white folks whitey, honky, cracker, and whatever other creative names there are out there for us European-Americans. Many, many times. Did she do it here? The bottom line is, who the **** cares?

If you are somebody who would change their vote at this point in time because some new evidence of her being a racist bitch has popped up then you're really, really stupid.

I would never vote for her husband for a ****load of reasons. Her being a racist isn't one of them.

This is pure genius.

Take note Whet and other extreme cut and paste right-wing nutjobs. This is how you smear a candidate for president and the stink of the taint isn’t left on your hands.

I am not up to Dean’s standard, but I will try.




Personally, I couldn't give a **** what the cranky old coot says. I have no doubt that he sometimes forgets to take his medicine and occasionally calls his wife a bitch. She probably deserves it anyway. The bottom line is, who the **** cares?

If you are somebody who would change your vote at this point in time because some stupid *** political debate and the lack of any new fresh ideas to solve our country’s problems, then you're really, really stupid.

The fact is that I would never vote for someone so out of touch with reality and a ****load of other reasons.

def_lazer_fc
10/15/2008, 07:34 PM
alls i know is obama's an arab.

another memo from hickville, ok: was at a bar last night for a coworker's bday and behind the bar was a poorly done photoshopped pic of obama's face on a shoeshine boy shining palin's shoes. weee! i miss the city!!

Sooner_Havok
10/15/2008, 07:39 PM
Just quit yapping about it and wasting time doing all the innerweb searches trying to gun down this whole "conspiracy." STFU and go vote on the 4th for chrissakes. I'm sick of it all.

Heh, I's got an idea for an experimentation:D :D :D

def_lazer_fc
10/15/2008, 07:46 PM
sadly, for a nation where Beverly Hills Chihuahua was top at the box office for two weeks, that experiment will fail.

first, a sitcom based on geico commercials. now a movie about the god damn taco bell dog. that hasn't even been ****ing used in an ad in, oh i dont know, for ****ing ever!

Chuck Bao
10/15/2008, 07:49 PM
Like I said, you lefties are spending way too much time on this. It. Doesn't. Matter.

Folks that are voting for him will vote for him even if they find out he helped finance 9-11 and cheered like the other ****wads when they saw the buildings go down. They'll vote for him if they find out he's a dues paying member of the Black Panthers. They'll vote for him if they find out he's got a Karl Marx shrine in his living room. It. Doesn't. Matter.

Just quit yapping about it and wasting time doing all the innerweb searches trying to gun down this whole "conspiracy." STFU and go vote on the 4th for chrissakes. I'm sick of it all.

So, no matter how many stupid and clearly fake threads are started at Soonerfans.com in a deliberate attempt to smear a US presidential candidate, the key point is those "lefties" who waste time trying to point out the inaccuracies should just STFU?

Good thing that it doesn't matter even if Obama really is a muslim, arab, terrorist, racist or not.

Genius.

KABOOKIE
10/15/2008, 07:51 PM
Obama is going to take away our hand grenades!!!!!

PDXsooner
10/15/2008, 07:59 PM
i wonder if republicans and democrats will ever realize how similar they actually are...

def_lazer_fc
10/15/2008, 08:00 PM
i heard he was gonna take away our first born.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
10/15/2008, 11:03 PM
The hell you say!

Sooner_Havok
10/16/2008, 12:38 AM
Are there any nachos in here?

OU4LIFE
10/16/2008, 07:57 AM
At last,the voice of reason.

Nice to finally see the voice of reason.

C&CDean
10/16/2008, 08:27 AM
So, no matter how many stupid and clearly fake threads are started at Soonerfans.com in a deliberate attempt to smear a US presidential candidate, the key point is those "lefties" who waste time trying to point out the inaccuracies should just STFU?

Good thing that it doesn't matter even if Obama really is a muslim, arab, terrorist, racist or not.

Genius.

No Chuck, what doesn't matter is that people should already have their minds made up, and the people who are linking bogus bull**** are just as stupid/guilty as the people who go googleing up **** to refute it. Just STFU and vote. Why is that so difficult? It's not even like whoever we vote for is gonna make any kind of difference, and it's not even likely that whoever we vote for is going to even survive their first term.

A lot of people are immersing themselves into this election like it actually means something - like "change" is actually going to happen. The only change will be the tenants at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. And we'll either have our first half-black president or our first estrogen laden VP. Both are pretty much meh in my book. Just get the ****ing thing over already.

C&CDean
10/16/2008, 08:28 AM
i wonder if republicans and democrats will ever realize how similar they actually are...

homo you don't. I ain't nothing like LAS.

swardboy
10/16/2008, 08:54 AM
Exactly. That is the kind of **** that marks the political discourse of weeny heads. Plus only a ********* ******* or a ****** ****** with a ******* would have Richard Speck as his avatar.

Oh Yeah? Well ******* ****** *** ************* in your *** ********** ****** and ******** ******* in the ******* ************* dood!

OU4LIFE
10/16/2008, 09:13 AM
well good morning C&CCrankypants

goodonya
10/16/2008, 09:18 AM
If you don't think this is the real Michelle Obama just go read her Sr. thesis from her Harvard years. She is the first to throw the race card anytime she feels slighted in any way.

Chuck Bao
10/16/2008, 09:25 AM
No Chuck, what doesn't matter is that people should already have their minds made up, and the people who are linking bogus bull**** are just as stupid/guilty as the people who go googleing up **** to refute it. Just STFU and vote. Why is that so difficult? It's not even like whoever we vote for is gonna make any kind of difference, and it's not even likely that whoever we vote for is going to even survive their first term.

A lot of people are immersing themselves into this election like it actually means something - like "change" is actually going to happen. The only change will be the tenants at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. And we'll either have our first half-black president or our first estrogen laden VP. Both are pretty much meh in my book. Just get the ****ing thing over already.

There is nothing that I would like better than get politics off this board.

But, there is a very clear cut choice in this election year between tolerance and intolerance. Truth and negative campaigning. Freedom and some fake and contrived "Christian" values.

So, you are saying that we should turn the other cheek to all of the weird and crazy stuff posted here. I'm okay with that.

Major props on the idea that people here and elsewhere are smart enough to figure that out and they have already made up their minds.

That pretty much falls within my own idea that people where ever in the world are the same. Democracy works and freedom isn't the result of the end of a gun.

pergdaddy
10/16/2008, 10:05 AM
Need. A. Third. Party.

Correction: Need. A. Viable. Third. Party.

Democrats and Republicans are not the same when it comes to ideals, policies and beliefs. But they are similar, at least the politicians are, in that they will say whatever to get elected knowing full well that what they are saying has as much believability to it as seeing a purple unicorn from sugary gum drop land in your backyard.

What we need is change. No wait. What we need is a maverick. No wait.

I hate politics. I hate presidential elections. I'm tired of all the smear commercials on TV now. I cannot wait for this to be all over, the election that is. It will not be over for a long time no matter who gets elected as far as what this country is going through.

C&CDean
10/16/2008, 10:07 AM
There is nothing that I would like better than get politics off this board.

But, there is a very clear cut choice in this election year between tolerance and intolerance. Truth and negative campaigning. Freedom and some fake and contrived "Christian" values.

So, you are saying that we should turn the other cheek to all of the weird and crazy stuff posted here. I'm okay with that.

Major props on the idea that people here and elsewhere are smart enough to figure that out and they have already made up their minds.

That pretty much falls within my own idea that people where ever in the world are the same. Democracy works and freedom isn't the result of the end of a gun.

You had me up until the whole tolerance/intolerance and freedom/fake christian values bull****. You like Brack because the values he espouses (at least I assume he espouses since he really hasn't said wtf it is he's about except "change") most closely mirror yours. I like McCain because of the same reason. I would hope that you don't exactly mirror Brack's beliefs, and I can assure you that my beliefs do not exactly mirror McCain's.

Also, you're completely wrong about the end of a gun. Without it, you'd never have freedom in the first place. By nature, people are greedy, cheating, lying, selfish pieces of ****. Without the gun you've got nothing but total chaos and anarchy. It may surprise you, but there's a whole lot of folks in the world who ain't all into singing kumbaya and holding hands.

pergdaddy
10/16/2008, 10:13 AM
It's the schemers that put you where you are. You were a schemer, you had plans, and uh, look where that got you. I just did what I do best. I took your little plan and I turned it on itself. Look what I did to this city with a few drums of gas and a couple of bullets. You know what I noticed? Nobody panics when things go according to plan. Even if the plan is horrifying. If tomorrow I tell the press that like a gang banger will get shot, or a truckload of soldiers will be blown up, nobody panics, because it's all, part of the plan. But when I say that one little old mayor will die, well then everyone loses their minds!

Introduce a little anarchy. Upset the established order, and everything becomes chaos. I'm an agent of chaos. Oh, and you know the thing about chaos? It's fair.

Chuck Bao
10/16/2008, 10:37 AM
You had me up until the whole tolerance/intolerance and freedom/fake christian values bull****. You like Brack because the values he espouses (at least I assume he espouses since he really hasn't said wtf it is he's about except "change") most closely mirror yours. I like McCain because of the same reason. I would hope that you don't exactly mirror Brack's beliefs, and I can assure you that my beliefs do not exactly mirror McCain's.

Also, you're completely wrong about the end of a gun. Without it, you'd never have freedom in the first place. By nature, people are greedy, cheating, lying, selfish pieces of ****. Without the gun you've got nothing but total chaos and anarchy. It may surprise you, but there's a whole lot of folks in the world who ain't all into singing kumbaya and holding hands.

That is pretty good description on where we differ. I think that people around the world, at least the ones that I've personally met traveling to many countries, are good and decent folk. Maybe I'm wrong but I think that social order can exist without the military pointing guns to our heads.

I am for democracy and an individual's right to representation. There should be no need to thank the military for granting that right. That right is our birth right, in my opinion, regardless of our place of birth or our social or economic status. By saying that our right as a human being is bestowed by the military is just so wrong.

C&CDean
10/16/2008, 10:52 AM
That is pretty good description on where we differ. I think that people around the world, at least the ones that I've personally met traveling to many countries, are good and decent folk. Maybe I'm wrong but I think that social order can exist without the military pointing guns to our heads.

I am for democracy and an individual's right to representation. There should be no need to thank the military for granting that right. That right is our birth right, in my opinion, regardless of our place of birth or our social or economic status. By saying that our right as a human being is bestowed by the military is just so wrong.

Chuck, Chuck, Chuck. Everyone would like to live in the Utopia you describe. I remember sitting in a haze of pot smoke in the back of a VW bus in California in the late 60's, early 70's saying the exact same thing.

You do have certain rights bestowed upon you by your creator at birth. The problem is that not everyone in the world believes in a) a creator, and b)that your opinion/rights mean jack squat.

If you honestly don't believe that people EVERYWHERE are greedy (I said everywhere, not EVERYBODY - big difference), and would take whatever it is they wanted to take if it were not due to some social order (usually upheld by a military of some sort) then I'd like some of what you're smoking.

Like it or not, left to our own devices, we would destroy each other in very short order. Sad? Hell yes. But it's truth.

Widescreen
10/16/2008, 10:53 AM
That is pretty good description on where we differ. I think that people around the world, at least the ones that I've personally met traveling to many countries, are good and decent folk. Maybe I'm wrong but I think that social order can exist without the military pointing guns to our heads.

I am for democracy and an individual's right to representation. There should be no need to thank the military for granting that right. That right is our birth right, in my opinion, regardless of our place of birth or our social or economic status. By saying that our right as a human being is bestowed by the military is just so wrong.
Our military doesn't grant the right, but they sure as heck maintain it whether you want to acknowledge it or not. We would be goosestepping and cleaning bronze statues of Stalin or Hitler if it wasn't for our military.

Big Red Ron
10/16/2008, 10:57 AM
Chuck, Chuck, Chuck. Everyone would like to live in the Utopia you describe. I remember sitting in a haze of pot smoke in the back of a VW bus in California in the late 60's, early 70's saying the exact same thing.

You do have certain rights bestowed upon you by your creator at birth. The problem is that not everyone in the world believes in a) a creator, and b)that your opinion/rights mean jack squat.

If you honestly don't believe that people EVERYWHERE are greedy (I said everywhere, not EVERYBODY - big difference), and would take whatever it is they wanted to take if it were not due to some social order (usually upheld by a military of some sort) then I'd like some of what you're smoking.

Like it or not, left to our own devices, we would destroy each other in very short order. Sad? Hell yes. But it's truth.Chuck has some life to live or he's a chick. In that case, he can afford to be idealistic and careless. Women and children can be that way, men cannot. If you need an explanation of that then call your Dad.

Frozen Sooner
10/16/2008, 11:15 AM
Without the gun you've got nothing but total chaos and anarchy.

"Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun"-Mao Tse Tung

Big Red Ron
10/16/2008, 11:20 AM
"Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun"-Mao Tse Tung
Surely you see the difference between using the gun to protect our little piece of utopia against those like Mao who woul like to see us all living under his thumb, while he sits on high.

PDXsooner
10/16/2008, 11:24 AM
homo you don't. I ain't nothing like LAS.

i'm referring to the parties. however, you and LAS seem like long-lost brothers...;)

OU4LIFE
10/16/2008, 11:40 AM
I am for democracy and an individual's right to representation. There should be no need to thank the military for granting that right. That right is our birth right, in my opinion, regardless of our place of birth or our social or economic status. By saying that our right as a human being is bestowed by the military is just so wrong.

thanks to your and my ancestors who fought for that right and served in our......that's right, military. How quickly people forget that this little piece of property we started out on didn't have those rights to begin with.

Whet
10/16/2008, 11:43 AM
more on Michelle Obama - this is the type of hard hitting piece that we can expect from the MSM:

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1845156,00.html?xid=feed-cnn-topics


What Michelle Obama Would Bring to the White House

By curtis sittenfeld
Michelle Obama is tall, smart, funny, relaxed and basically so glowy and poised — if she's attractive in pictures, she's flat-out gorgeous in person — that it almost seems as if she already is the First Lady.
Or at least this is the conclusion I came to after sitting down with her at Denver's Westin Tabor Center during the Democratic National Convention. I'd been tagging after her for a couple of days, from one rapturous audience to another, including the crowd at a community-service event for soldiers, at which an Iraq-war veteran introduced her by announcing, "Ma'am, I know you weren't in the military, but I'd follow you anywhere." If all that hadn't quite convinced me (it was the Democratic Convention, after all), I'd guess it took roughly the first 30 seconds of our interview for me to fall for her. It happened when I asked whether she gets bored giving the same speech over and over, and she cheerfully replied, "Yeah, absolutely."
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Perhaps, but I've encountered more people who, if anything, seem more infatuated by Michelle than by her husband — including the white woman I know who bought her first-ever issue of Ebony magazine because Michelle was on the cover, and the cameraman I met in Denver who finagled a fist bump with Michelle and then proclaimed that he would never wash his hands again. He assured me he was usually jaded in these kinds of situations, but Michelle was the second coming of Jackie O.!
During our interview, I asked Michelle what accounts for the discrepancy between the admiration she inspires among such voters and the kind of blogosphere and talk-radio slurs that prompted the New Yorker, ...

My own theory is that the media, bolstered by conservative wishful thinking, got bored with the early Michelle Obama narrative — that she was a successful professional with a blue-collar background, degrees from Princeton and Harvard, and a penchant for making wifely jabs about her husband's morning breath — and switched to the Michelle-as-liability narrative to keep things entertaining. Certainly it seems that Michelle has paid as steep a political price for her national-pride remark, which some of us were not actually offended by, as Cindy McCain has for any of her own shortcomings.

The delicate dance that Michelle is required to perform calls to mind the axiom that blacks must be twice as good as whites to get half as far. A few Democrats — and feminists — expressed disappointment at her convention speech, with its subtext of, Ignore my race and my Ivy League education and look how warm and maternal and unthreatening I am. But others, including, presumably, Michelle herself, recognized this soft approach as a necessity. ...
The most poignant comment I heard her make during the days I followed her was one she shared with a group of five female newspaper columnists. As a professional black woman who grew up in a stable family and now has a stable family of her own, she told the columnists, "Sometimes I do feel as if people don't believe I exist. I'm probably the first person of my kind the nation has seen out there." Or, as Whoopi Goldberg put it during Michelle's June appearance on The View, "I have to say I'm really glad to see you because ... any time you see black folks on the news, particularly women, they have no teeth, and the teeth that they have have gold around them, and they can't put a sentence together."

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And this is Michelle Obama's greatest gift: her ability to relate to regular people, and vice versa. Even though she's taller and fitter and better educated than most of us, she is completely and totally believable as a person who lives in the same world we do, who consumes the same pop culture (Us Weekly, anyone?) and shops at the same stores (Target, Gap) and struggles with most if not all of the same personal and professional juggling acts.

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And contrary to her claims, Michelle is not the first person of her kind I've seen; she's actually recognizable as a very particular type, though it took me until after the convention to figure out what that type is. I suspect this person will be familiar to anyone who has, in the past 25 years, been a young, college-educated woman in her first real job: you're, say, 22 and somewhat clueless, and you go to work in an office where there's a woman eight or 10 or 12 years older than you who's not only visibly good at her job but also confident and friendly and well-dressed and busy with a life that features a cute husband and a nice house and maybe even a couple of kids. And you think maybe, if everything goes right, your own life could turn out like hers.

swardboy
10/16/2008, 12:00 PM
"Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun"-Mao Tse Tung

Whoa! I don't think Mao was thinking of allowing guns to the masses!!

SoonerProphet
10/16/2008, 12:41 PM
Dude, seriously can we get past the bull**** African Press International stuff. Credibility seems to be a real issue with some folks.

Whet
10/16/2008, 12:43 PM
huh - I can understand credibility issues, particularly when posting from Time, Inc.

LosAngelesSooner
10/16/2008, 02:02 PM
homo you don't. I ain't nothing like LAS.We probably have more in common than either one of us wants to admit, Deano.:cool:

LosAngelesSooner
10/16/2008, 02:07 PM
Chuck has some life to live or he's a chick. In that case, he can afford to be idealistic and careless. Women and children can be that way, men cannot. If you need an explanation of that then call your Dad.Hillary Clinton could take you in a fight.

C&CDean
10/16/2008, 02:16 PM
We probably have more in common than either one of us wants to admit, Deano.:cool:

You got a big dick too? Small world.

C&CDean
10/16/2008, 02:23 PM
You **** girls? We do have more in common than I thought...

LosAngelesSooner
10/16/2008, 02:24 PM
Heh. Told ya. ;)

SoonerProphet
10/16/2008, 02:34 PM
huh - I can understand credibility issues, particularly when posting from Time, Inc.

Dude, you don't even have the stones to man up and say you were duped by that pos article you posted. Stay classy whet.

olevetonahill
10/16/2008, 02:37 PM
Hillary Clinton could take you in a fight.

Hillary asked Bill one day.
Do these pants make My Balls look Big ?:D

Whet
10/16/2008, 03:30 PM
Dude, you don't even have the stones to man up and say you were duped by that pos article you posted. Stay classy whet.

I think the only duping are those that vote for the messiah!

As for the first article, I don't believe I ever vouched for the voracity of the contents, or author. Try some critical thinking.

Big Red Ron
10/16/2008, 03:34 PM
Hillary Clinton could take you in a fight.
But I can kick your *** and run circles around you intellectually.

Wow, it's easy to be kewl on the interweb.

C&CDean
10/16/2008, 03:40 PM
Yes, I think this thread has most certainly shot it's wad.

Whet
10/16/2008, 03:40 PM
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