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VeeJay
10/7/2008, 07:56 PM
CNN pre-game has a panel of independent voters.

There's a striking bald dude sitting there with ten or twelve pieces of metal hanging out of his face.

This is gonna be good.

VeeJay
10/7/2008, 07:58 PM
McCain's campaign is supposedly in attack mode. I wonder if he can remember the attack points?

VeeJay
10/7/2008, 07:59 PM
David Gergen on CNN just declared that McCain lost the debate, and Palin lost her debate. I hadn't heard that until CNN enlightened me.

VeeJay
10/7/2008, 07:59 PM
Gergen sort of looks like Chris Elliot sitting there.

Rogue
10/7/2008, 08:00 PM
I'm prolly watching CNN.

VeeJay
10/7/2008, 08:00 PM
Hullo? tap tap tap tap

Rogue
10/7/2008, 08:00 PM
First gameday, now this.
Nashville is having a banner week. :D

royalfan5
10/7/2008, 08:00 PM
I'm watching Florida Atlantic vs. Troy.

VeeJay
10/7/2008, 08:01 PM
Hey Rogue. Remember when Dennis Miller used to comment during Clinton's State of the Union speeches on Comedy Central?

I do miss those events.

Rogue
10/7/2008, 08:02 PM
What's with the red carpet....is this thing rigged? ;)

Small audience...

VeeJay
10/7/2008, 08:02 PM
What's those three marks on Brokaw's left side of his forehead?

Mrs. Brokaw nail with with a wing chair or something?

Rogue
10/7/2008, 08:03 PM
Hey Rogue. Remember when Dennis Miller used to comment during Clinton's State of the Union speeches on Comedy Central?

I do miss those events.

Heh! I always like DM. And I understand and respect his hard tack to the right after 9/11.:gary:

Rogue
10/7/2008, 08:04 PM
Obama's up and on his feet...

Game.
On.

VeeJay
10/7/2008, 08:04 PM
I'd be asking them if they're gonna do their Christmas shopping at Wal-Mart this year, what with the economy and all.

Penguin
10/7/2008, 08:06 PM
It would be more entertaining if the candidates were on roller skates and the audience were throwing dodgeballs at them.

VeeJay
10/7/2008, 08:06 PM
McCain's going Gore on the questioner!

Rogue
10/7/2008, 08:07 PM
McCain impressed me in the last debate.
Looks like he's on his game again.

royalfan5
10/7/2008, 08:07 PM
I'd be asking them if they're gonna do their Christmas shopping at Wal-Mart this year, what with the economy and all.
Rate things are going you may have to amend that to Dollar General.

VeeJay
10/7/2008, 08:09 PM
McCain's talking equalizing home values. I may vote for him after all, considering my FL home value is $240,000 less than it was two years ago.

VeeJay
10/7/2008, 08:10 PM
Rate things are going you may have to amend that to Dollar General.

Hell, Salvation Army. Aren't they and Goodwill fixing to start building SuperCenters?

Rogue
10/7/2008, 08:10 PM
Meg Whitman's name was floated as a likely VP candidate.
Warren Buffet? Srsly?

There's yer change right there!

Rogue
10/7/2008, 08:11 PM
Brokaw's warning shot.
:les: Keep it to a minute!

VeeJay
10/7/2008, 08:12 PM
Yeah, he looked pissed.

Rogue
10/7/2008, 08:12 PM
Washington...Wall Street...Main Street.

McCain is making the same mistake they coached Palin into.
Keep bringing up the fact that it was impulsive and looney to suspend his campaign.

"Obama and his cronies..."

VeeJay
10/7/2008, 08:13 PM
...and our next question is from comedian Steve Martin...

Penguin
10/7/2008, 08:13 PM
Brokaw knows how to choke a bitch.

Rogue
10/7/2008, 08:15 PM
McCain jabs, Obama parries and thrusts.

"I've gotta correct some of Senator McCain's history, not surprisingly."

VeeJay
10/7/2008, 08:17 PM
Does it really matter about homeowners when there are armed al Qaeda's roaming the streets making sure everybuddy is tending to their poppy plants and reading the Koran?

I kid, I kid!!!

jkjsooner
10/7/2008, 08:18 PM
McCain's talking equalizing home values. I may vote for him after all, considering my FL home value is $240,000 less than it was two years ago.

Yeah, equalize home values to unaffordable levels so more and more people will get into financial trouble. Sounds like a plan for a future disaster to me.

BTW, if you didn't buy two years ago then I'll say easy come easy go. If you did I'm sorry but housing prices were massively overvalued and unsustainable and no amount of government intervention is going to prop them up and any attempt to do so will just create a bigger and bigger problem.

Rogue
10/7/2008, 08:18 PM
Brokaw asks a closed-ended question and Obama answers simply..."no."
This was a softball right over the center of the plate.
Obama hit a double.

McCain swings. And grounds out.

GrapevineSooner
10/7/2008, 08:19 PM
wow, that was a deep insightful question. :rolleyes:

Rogue
10/7/2008, 08:20 PM
Good question. Obama's doing OK, but sort of all over the place.
I understand your cynicism...blame to go around...I blame George Bush. :rolleyes:
Now totally off the topic.

Penguin
10/7/2008, 08:21 PM
I'm starting to think that McCain and Obama don't like each other.

jkjsooner
10/7/2008, 08:21 PM
Man, I really thought I was going to vote for McCain because I thought he was the one who would let the housing market correct as it needs to. Looks like I was wrong. McCain flat out lost my vote tonight.

GrapevineSooner
10/7/2008, 08:22 PM
I felt she needed to go a little further with the question.

Not necessarily her fault, though, as it was Brokaw who picked the questions.

Rogue
10/7/2008, 08:22 PM
McCain says he's been a consistent reformer.
"Reaching across the aisle"-enough already.
McCain-Feingold...good one. Vintage JM.

"I don't expect you to watch every vote." Why not, John?

Rogue
10/7/2008, 08:23 PM
$3 million overhead projector? :eek:
Let the mud fly now!

GrapevineSooner
10/7/2008, 08:23 PM
Man, I really thought I was going to vote for McCain because I thought he was the one who would let the housing market correct as it needs to. Looks like I was wrong. McCain flat out lost my vote tonight.

Yeah.

Not sure whose idea it was to suggest the government purchase mortgages that people can't pay. When you do that, what lessons are learned by the lender and the borrower?

Rogue
10/7/2008, 08:23 PM
Brokaw: :les: I said ONE MINUTE, BEYONCES!

Rogue
10/7/2008, 08:24 PM
Yeah.

Not sure whose idea it was to suggest the government purchase mortgages that people can't pay. When you do that, what lessons are learned by the lender and the borrower?

And what happens to the property?

Rogue
10/7/2008, 08:25 PM
Every time JM says "across the aisle," God drowns a kitten!

jdsooner
10/7/2008, 08:25 PM
McCain's favorite phrases:
"My friends"
"Reaching across the aisle"

Rogue
10/7/2008, 08:26 PM
TB is about to whoop some a$$.

:les: One minute, dammit!

VeeJay
10/7/2008, 08:26 PM
What's everybody drinking to?

The other night it was "maverick."

Rogue
10/7/2008, 08:27 PM
-No dependence on foreign oil. check
-Universal healthcare. check
-Vague reference to education. I want some meat there BO. How?

VeeJay
10/7/2008, 08:27 PM
$15 Billion a year into alternative energy.

Cool.

Take out some of the pork in the Bailout Bill and that fugger's paid for!

Rogue
10/7/2008, 08:28 PM
What's everybody drinking to?

The other night it was "maverick."

-Bush
-Reach across the aisle
-Bipartisan
-Energy
-"One Minute!"
-Broken

VeeJay
10/7/2008, 08:28 PM
One MINUTE!

Brokaw needs to make a citizen's arrest.

Rogue
10/7/2008, 08:29 PM
Eliminate programs? :eek: I'm not fer it John.
Defense spending? Oh, O.K.. Halliburton has enough I spose.
But what about the chillens?

Rogue
10/7/2008, 08:30 PM
TB is gonna have to start interrupting.

Vital=defense, VA, (I thought defense spending was broken?)

royalfan5
10/7/2008, 08:30 PM
One MINUTE!

Brokaw needs to make a citizen's arrest.
or a taser.

tommieharris91
10/7/2008, 08:30 PM
"Across the aisle" and "one minute" are your buzzwords. If Obama mispronounces a word, finish your drink.

Rogue
10/7/2008, 08:30 PM
We're not rifle shots here. :confused:

GrapevineSooner
10/7/2008, 08:31 PM
Is Tom Brokaw gonna have to choke a bitch?

Rogue
10/7/2008, 08:31 PM
Obama's following the Biden strategy.
If you do nothing else make it clear that McCain = Bush.

VeeJay
10/7/2008, 08:31 PM
Is Tom Brokaw gonna have to choke a bitch?

I would if my damn wife decked me with a wing chair.

Look at those scabs on his head.

tommieharris91
10/7/2008, 08:32 PM
Umm... did Obama just change a stance on oil companies?

GrapevineSooner
10/7/2008, 08:32 PM
Well, Obama's in the driver's seat.

Basically, we're watching a replay of the first Presidential Debate.

And in 8 days, we'll get another replay. :(

Rogue
10/7/2008, 08:33 PM
What will I have to sacrifice?
Neither guy answered. JM said "some programs that you've never heard of."
BO said "save money in our homes."

VeeJay
10/7/2008, 08:33 PM
Another drinking word -
How about when Obama says "Look..."

jdsooner
10/7/2008, 08:33 PM
Obama is being more specific and direct. I thought McCain was supposed to be more direct in the town hall format.

Rogue
10/7/2008, 08:34 PM
Did BO just get edited?
"It means ____ing at the spending side..."

jdsooner
10/7/2008, 08:35 PM
"high on the hog"
There he goes talking about pigs again!

Rogue
10/7/2008, 08:35 PM
Another drinking word -
How about when Obama says "Look..."

Or when he points. That seems condescending to me. Not as smarmy as SP, but he vacillates between talking down to us and co-opting us into his plan.

GrapevineSooner
10/7/2008, 08:36 PM
what does what somebody else makes matter to somebody who's only making $30,000 a year?

I mean, I don't go out and splurge just because somebody else who makes twice as much as I do goes on a European Vacation.

Rogue
10/7/2008, 08:36 PM
"Like nailing jello to a wall." Good line. Bad delivery. JM and SP just don't do well with the rehearsed zingers.

VeeJay
10/7/2008, 08:36 PM
Obama needs to offer McCain Sec of Defense and let's be done with this chit.

tommieharris91
10/7/2008, 08:37 PM
OMG, McCain is actually saying something.

VeeJay
10/7/2008, 08:37 PM
Has anyone seen any hot broads in the audience?

I haven't. Don't hot broads vote any more?

tommieharris91
10/7/2008, 08:37 PM
Brokaw has to mediate.
:les:DRINK!!!

Rogue
10/7/2008, 08:38 PM
JM is still running against BO who's still running against GWB.

Leaving the tax rates alone and doubling the middle class exemption?
Not good enough JM. Not with a huge deficit, a war on, and y'all spending it faster than the mint can print it. See the previous questions about can U be trusted with our money and what do we have to sacrifice.

GrapevineSooner
10/7/2008, 08:38 PM
Man, that would have rocked if Brokaw had just said, "No, YOU CAN'T!!!"

Rogue
10/7/2008, 08:39 PM
Brokaw has to mediate.
:les:DRINK!!!

Mediate hell, he's REG-U-LATIN'.

"The Straight Talk Express lost a wheel on that one." - Boo.

C'mon guys, you're better than these cheesy zingers. I hope.

tommieharris91
10/7/2008, 08:40 PM
Obama stutters.

:les:DRINK!!

Rogue
10/7/2008, 08:40 PM
Yup, repeal the Bush tax cuts. They didn't exactly stimulate the economy and, it turns out, we couldn't afford them after all.

GrapevineSooner
10/7/2008, 08:40 PM
Sorry, but the 'McCain favors tax cuts to big business' just doesn't wash considering you voted for the bailout, Obama.

VeeJay
10/7/2008, 08:41 PM
Gore would be handling this line of humiliation much differently.

McCain needs to nut up and sneak up behind Barack.

Rogue
10/7/2008, 08:41 PM
My friends.
:les: DRINK!

VeeJay
10/7/2008, 08:42 PM
I hope there's a halftime show. Would be nice to see the military-fatigue bedecked school boys come out and tell us with clenched fists about Obama's health care plan.

Rogue
10/7/2008, 08:43 PM
News to JM...you can't cut taxes AND balance the budget, fix Medicare and Social Security, and stay in a war.

Who's selling the Big Rock Candy Mountain now?

GrapevineSooner
10/7/2008, 08:43 PM
Our best days are yet to come!

DRINK!!

VeeJay
10/7/2008, 08:43 PM
Dang. Still no hot broads.

Rogue
10/7/2008, 08:44 PM
My friends....

:les:DRINK!

Rogue
10/7/2008, 08:45 PM
About like last time....JM is fading fast in the middle of the debate.

He started strong though. If he stays true to form, he'll rally.

In about 25 more minutes.

jdsooner
10/7/2008, 08:45 PM
AAAAAAAnnnnnnnnnnnnnddddddddddddddd

VeeJay
10/7/2008, 08:45 PM
News to JM...you can't cut taxes AND balance the budget, fix Medicare and Social Security, and stay in a war.

Who's selling the Big Rock Candy Mountain now?

...and eat the market loss on the value of my FL house.

VeeJay
10/7/2008, 08:46 PM
About like last time....JM is fading fast in the middle of the debate.

He started strong though. If he stays true to form, he'll rally.

In about 25 more minutes.

I think I saw him drinking a Red Bull.

jdsooner
10/7/2008, 08:47 PM
McCain says that Social Security is easy to fix?

Rogue
10/7/2008, 08:47 PM
BO is right...you have to spend $$ to make $$.
It takes an investment to turn around the energy barge.

Drill...new drinking word.

VeeJay
10/7/2008, 08:47 PM
I want to get to 6000 posts tonight. I don't know if I have 25 more wisecracks in me.

tommieharris91
10/7/2008, 08:47 PM
Brokaw = DRINK!!

GrapevineSooner
10/7/2008, 08:48 PM
Hey...guys...

WE HAVE LIGHTS!!!

SoonerBacker
10/7/2008, 08:48 PM
News to JM...you can't cut taxes AND balance the budget, fix Medicare and Social Security, and stay in a war.

Who's selling the Big Rock Candy Mountain now?

Actually, cutting taxes increases tax revenue. Basic Econ 101.

Rogue
10/7/2008, 08:48 PM
I think I saw him drinking a Red Bull.

Heh!


Are they both violating the one-minute rule?
Who's Tom getting after.
I think BO went over on his last answer.

tommieharris91
10/7/2008, 08:48 PM
My friends...

DRINK!!

VeeJay
10/7/2008, 08:48 PM
My friends

DRINK!

GrapevineSooner
10/7/2008, 08:48 PM
I want to get to 6000 posts tonight. I don't know if I have 25 more wisecracks in me.

I'm going to shoot for 8,600 tonight :D.

Rogue
10/7/2008, 08:48 PM
Oh no he di'int just call BO "That one."

swardboy
10/7/2008, 08:49 PM
"That one" heh

tommieharris91
10/7/2008, 08:49 PM
McCain didn't vote against the porky bailout.

Rogue
10/7/2008, 08:50 PM
That was a weird animated side of JM when he did the "that one...and guess who didn't...ME!" dealio. WTF was THAT?

tommieharris91
10/7/2008, 08:50 PM
Health care = commodity?

VeeJay
10/7/2008, 08:50 PM
I'm going to shoot for 8,600 tonight :D.

You have clear goals in life, young man....

Rogue
10/7/2008, 08:51 PM
McCain didn't vote against the porky bailout.

You're gonna have to vote 3rd party so you can sleep at night.

I wish we had 4 or 5 legitimate parties.

jdsooner
10/7/2008, 08:51 PM
Why is McCain making hand gestures when Obama is talking?

KC//CRIMSON
10/7/2008, 08:51 PM
Every time JM says "across the aisle," God drowns a kitten!


Every time JM says "my friends" I drink. I'm all ready Shiztfaced.

SoonerInKCMO
10/7/2008, 08:51 PM
Actually, cutting taxes increases tax revenue. Basic Econ 101.

Ooh... another Laffer Curve disciple.

Question - What if we're already to the left of the alleged peak of the alleged Laffer Curve? Or, what if the Laffer Curve isn't shaped like a simple bell curve and has multiple local minimums and maximums? How do you know that lowering taxes from their current level will increase tax revenue?

swardboy
10/7/2008, 08:51 PM
"that one....the towelhead in disguise"

In my dreams....

Rogue
10/7/2008, 08:52 PM
WTF?
If you don't fill out forms in triplicate it will reduce medical errors?
C'mon BO...I'm all for big gubmint run universal healthcare. But now you're just making **** up.

VeeJay
10/7/2008, 08:52 PM
One hand giveth
the other hand taketh away

Didn't the Lord do that too?

Frozen Sooner
10/7/2008, 08:52 PM
Actually, cutting taxes increases tax revenue. Basic Econ 101.

Sounds like you and Lex Holmes need to go have a chat, 'cause that wasn't in any section of ECON 1113 he taught.

Decreasing taxes can have the counterintuitive effect of increasing revenue under certain conditions. Cutting taxes alone is not a sufficient condition for increased revenue.

Unless you'd like to argue that cutting the effective tax rate to 0% would somehow increase government revenue.

GrapevineSooner
10/7/2008, 08:53 PM
let's put everything online, then.

NO ERRORS FOR ANYONE!!!

VeeJay
10/7/2008, 08:54 PM
health records online.

The Palin e-mail hacker would have fun with her lady doctor visits

GrapevineSooner
10/7/2008, 08:54 PM
Some people go across state lines to buy drugs.

Rogue
10/7/2008, 08:54 PM
Why is McCain making hand gestures when Obama is talking?

He's confused as hell.
15 more minutes before he rallies.

JM just explained BO's point...it's about electronic health records.
I agree. It worked in the VA.

GrapevineSooner
10/7/2008, 08:55 PM
That JM joke went over like a lead balloon.

tommieharris91
10/7/2008, 08:55 PM
Ooh... another Laffer Curve disciple.

Question - What if we're already to the left of the alleged peak of the alleged Laffer Curve? Or, what if the Laffer Curve isn't shaped like a simple bell curve and has multiple local minimums and maximums? How do you know that lowering taxes from their current level will increase tax revenue?

We're already past the point where tax breaks increase gov't revenue. But, the Laffer Curve is part of basic economics taught in all universities.

Froze, I'll admit I didn't take ECON 1113 at OU.

GrapevineSooner
10/7/2008, 08:55 PM
Hey, first hot chick I've seen all night.

Nice to see she brought her 12-year old brother along. :D

jdsooner
10/7/2008, 08:55 PM
"Hair transplants"
Lame attempt at humor.
McCain fails as a comedian.

Rogue
10/7/2008, 08:57 PM
Healthcare-
Privilege?
Right?
Responsibility?

JM = Responsibility. Just after saying that BO is BAAAAD for wanting to fine small businesses who don't insure their employees he says small business should insure their employees.

BO = It should be a right. Pulls out Mama dying and arguing with insurance companies.

Yeah, this is a HUGE reason I'm voting for BO. He gets it.

KC//CRIMSON
10/7/2008, 08:57 PM
Why is McCain making hand gestures when Obama is talking?


He's not, it's the palsy.

Rogue
10/7/2008, 08:58 PM
McCain voted against CHIPs! He's the debbil.

What's the old coot doing now, walking in circles around his chair?

GrapevineSooner
10/7/2008, 08:58 PM
Probably because the Democrats wanted to include families in the program that could pay to cover their families through a traditional health care plan offered through their employer, BO.

jdsooner
10/7/2008, 08:58 PM
Obama is doing well on health care as a right.
Using his mother as an example worked well. It shows that he relates to the problems of ordinary Americans.

Rogue
10/7/2008, 08:58 PM
Time BO!

TB is about to crack down.

swardboy
10/7/2008, 08:59 PM
People have forfeited their "right" to health insurance if they're abusing themselves with alcohol, tobacco, or illegal substances in my humble opinion.

Gee, I guess that pretty well catches everyone on this thread....

jdsooner
10/7/2008, 08:59 PM
Once again, a very lame attempt at humor. It makes it appear that McCain is not serious about this debate.

Rogue
10/7/2008, 09:00 PM
Obama is doing well on health care as a right.
Using his mother as an example worked well. It shows that he relates to the problems of ordinary Americans.

Agreed. But I was convinced before this. So I'm seriously biased FOR universal healthcare.

GrapevineSooner
10/7/2008, 09:00 PM
Time BO!

TB is about to crack down.

Shock collars, man.

Shock collars. :D

KC//CRIMSON
10/7/2008, 09:01 PM
Time BO!

TB is about to crack down.


Only thing Brokaw is cracking down on is a Tylenol.

Rogue
10/7/2008, 09:01 PM
People have forfeited their "right" to health insurance if they're abusing themselves with alcohol, tobacco, or illegal substances in my humble opinion.

Gee, I guess that pretty well catches everyone on this thread....

Wow.

Treating the disease of addiction is cheaper (and more effective) than locking up addicts.

reevie
10/7/2008, 09:01 PM
I haven't been watching the entire debate, but my observation is McCain is impassioned about his platform and Obama is on the defensive.

Rogue
10/7/2008, 09:02 PM
I haven't been watching the entire debate, but my observation is McCain is impassioned about his platform and Obama is on the defensive.

Do you have the sound off or something?

McCain rallies in 9 minutes.

GrapevineSooner
10/7/2008, 09:03 PM
I haven't been watching the entire debate, but my observation is McCain is impassioned about his platform and Obama is on the defensive.

You and I are watching different debates.

Obama's not hitting anything out of the park, mind you.

But he doesn't have to.

And McCain looked woefully unprepared early on.

Frozen Sooner
10/7/2008, 09:03 PM
We're already past the point where tax breaks increase gov't revenue. But, the Laffer Curve is part of basic economics taught in all universities.

Froze, I'll admit I didn't take ECON 1113 at OU.

If his post was an attempt at describing Laffer Theory, then it was a ****-poor one containing a generalization that Laffer would have never made.

Rogue
10/7/2008, 09:03 PM
Obama has gotten off the Pay-go message in recent weeks.
Too bad. I like the concept.

swardboy
10/7/2008, 09:04 PM
Wow.

Treating the disease of addiction is cheaper (and more effective) than locking up addicts.

Tell that to the women and children being beaten and abused by the jerks.

VeeJay
10/7/2008, 09:04 PM
Obama could lay off Bush to score some points.

Bush isn't running any more.

VeeJay
10/7/2008, 09:06 PM
Palin to be grilled by Larry King on The McCain Doctrine.

Rogue
10/7/2008, 09:06 PM
Tough question about using force without Nat'l Security concerns.
Decent answer about the Holocaust and Rwanda, but not able to do everything.

This is what I thought early on...BO is better thinking on his feet.

The other format favored JM more than this one does.




JM invoking Petraeus when possible...still a good move. The General is a hero.

KC//CRIMSON
10/7/2008, 09:07 PM
Palin to be grilled by Larry King on The McCain Doctrine.

Gosh darn, don'tcha know!

VeeJay
10/7/2008, 09:08 PM
I just saw a hot broad.

colleyvillesooner
10/7/2008, 09:08 PM
"My friends..."

DRINK!

Rogue
10/7/2008, 09:09 PM
Tell that to the women and children being beaten and abused by the jerks.

Point taken man. You realize I've intervened with many many addicts and abuse victims, right? There aren't easy answers and I doubt that even a hard answer includes denying healthcare to the addicts. I haven't seen the penal system fare very well in the "War on Drugs."

The slippery slope here leads to impossible questions like, "if an addict develops breast cancer, do you deny her healthcare?"

VeeJay
10/7/2008, 09:10 PM
What's that graph CNN is running? Picking up brain waves? Osmosis? What?

Rogue
10/7/2008, 09:11 PM
What's that graph CNN is running? Picking up brain waves? Osmosis? What?

Some kind of dial that some "independent" Ohio voters use to show how much impact the debater is having for them.

GrapevineSooner
10/7/2008, 09:12 PM
Once again, JM misses a chance to point out that it was with the assistance of Musharaff(sp?) that we were able to catch the mastermind of the 9/11 attacks.

Jerk
10/7/2008, 09:13 PM
"Health care is a right"

Really? Then can I chose not to partake in your plan, Obama?

jdsooner
10/7/2008, 09:13 PM
Yeah, let's not threaten to attack and kill Osama.

VeeJay
10/7/2008, 09:13 PM
Talk softly but carry a big stick

Gah.

VeeJay
10/7/2008, 09:14 PM
Obama is gonna take out bin Laden?

That may not be popular in some tents.

Whet
10/7/2008, 09:15 PM
Barry don't like the rules! But, then he is the messiah, so they don't apply to him!

STFU Barry!

VeeJay
10/7/2008, 09:15 PM
My friends

DRINK!!

Rogue
10/7/2008, 09:16 PM
Is JM going for the doddering old coot sympathy vote?
He's 3 minutes late for his rally point. Come on JM, finish strong.

Here we go, "I'm not gonna telegraph my punches."

OUthunder
10/7/2008, 09:16 PM
Obama is the weakest presidential candidate of my voting lifetime. and McCain exposed him tonite for the fraud he is.

Rogue
10/7/2008, 09:18 PM
BO will increase troops in Afghanistan.
Finally...after 6 freakin' years we'd be taking the war to the Taliban in a serious way.

JM is agreeing with BO...increase troops in Afghanistan. Streamline NATO?

Same strategy as the surge.
OK John, the surge made some progress, but what did it solve or "win?"

GrapevineSooner
10/7/2008, 09:19 PM
Euless represent :D

Rogue
10/7/2008, 09:20 PM
Obama is the weakest presidential candidate of my voting lifetime. and McCain exposed him tonite for the fraud he is.

I'm not seeing that. I thought JM won the first debate.
Unless he pulls Osama Bin Laden out of his lapel pocket in the next 9 minutes, this was a 180.

VeeJay
10/7/2008, 09:20 PM
The CNN Osmosis meter is running high for McCain.

Rogue
10/7/2008, 09:21 PM
TB cutting off JM now too.

KC//CRIMSON
10/7/2008, 09:21 PM
Obama is the weakest presidential candidate of my voting lifetime. and McCain exposed him tonite for the fraud he is.


Put the crack pipe down and go back to sleep.

jdsooner
10/7/2008, 09:21 PM
aaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnddddddddddd

drink

Rogue
10/7/2008, 09:22 PM
The CNN Osmosis meter is running high for McCain.

Yup, he's rallying for the big finish.

It's been pretty up and down for both of them tonight.
Interesting.

OUthunder
10/7/2008, 09:22 PM
Put the crack pipe down and go back to sleep.

The only one using the pipe is you.

Rogue
10/7/2008, 09:22 PM
Time!

swardboy
10/7/2008, 09:23 PM
Has either candidate peed in his pants yet?

Rogue
10/7/2008, 09:24 PM
Yes or no.

BO "Yadda yadda yadda."

JM "Maybe. Then some yadda."

VeeJay
10/7/2008, 09:24 PM
I've only seen the hot broad once.

Did the Commitee To Broadcast Shots Of Hot Broads At Presidential Debates change camera crews?

OUthunder
10/7/2008, 09:24 PM
Has either candidate peed in his pants yet?

McCain prolly has but he's wearing Depends.:D

jdsooner
10/7/2008, 09:24 PM
I liked both men's answers about the evil empire.

GrapevineSooner
10/7/2008, 09:25 PM
as if approval from the UN Security Council would ever come in that situation.

Rogue
10/7/2008, 09:26 PM
JM "Thank you for your service." Dingdingding. He always hits a chord with me when he, so genuinely, gets sentimental about veterans. He is one that deserves all of our respect and he just gives it up like that. Last debate he said "I love the veterans...." And he meant it. Another strong finish lining up here for JM.

VeeJay
10/7/2008, 09:26 PM
McCain connecting with a fellow serviceman.

Not sure how the Left will spin that one - pandering, maybe.

Good on him for doing it. Obama can be just as gracious toward military vets, and has.

VeeJay
10/7/2008, 09:27 PM
We can not allow Iran to get a nuclear weapon.

Ideas on how we stop them?

Rogue
10/7/2008, 09:28 PM
BO: "We" honor your service. - FAIL.
"It would be a game changer." - FAIL.

"I will never take a military option off the table." - Better.

VeeJay
10/7/2008, 09:29 PM
I would actually trust JM to take Iran out on the nuclear issue.

VeeJay
10/7/2008, 09:29 PM
Last question!

Rogue
10/7/2008, 09:30 PM
McCain connecting with a fellow serviceman.

Not sure how the Left will spin that one - pandering, maybe.

Good on him for doing it. Obama can be just as gracious toward military vets, and has.

JM's voting record, according to the DAV, isn't great on veterans' issues.
I've known Arizona Ex-POWs helped by his office and, dammit, he honors them by his words AND his actions.

BO just lamely used the omniscient "we" when thanking the veteran.



Last Q: "What don't you know and how will you learn it?"

Zen or not, that's a good question right there.

VeeJay
10/7/2008, 09:30 PM
Is Rezko watching from prison?

VeeJay
10/7/2008, 09:31 PM
Rogue - I think they get longer than a minute here.

VeeJay
10/7/2008, 09:34 PM
Pretty good closing from McCain here.

GrapevineSooner
10/7/2008, 09:34 PM
Times are tough.

DRINK!!!

OUthunder
10/7/2008, 09:34 PM
Is Rezko watching from prison?



I don't know but Rev. Wright is probably on another Obama paid vacation. I'm thinking Jamaica mon.

jdsooner
10/7/2008, 09:34 PM
McCain ends strong. He finally woke up. He seemed "out of it" for most of the debate.

GrapevineSooner
10/7/2008, 09:34 PM
GET OUTTA MY SHOT!!!

VeeJay
10/7/2008, 09:35 PM
Brokaw just got busted reading the tele-prompter.

Can't he ad-lib with his number of years yakking?

VeeJay
10/7/2008, 09:36 PM
They're taking pics with BO with Kodak disposable cameras.

WTF??

Mixer!
10/7/2008, 09:37 PM
Brokaw = Ron Burgundy there.

LosAngelesSooner
10/7/2008, 09:37 PM
Brokaw just got busted reading the tele-prompter.

Can't he ad-lib with his number of years yakking?Dude. It ain't as easy as he makes it look.

JLEW1818
10/7/2008, 09:37 PM
Obama makes me sick. People are saying "oh obama is going to save us all!!!"

SAVE US FROM WHAT. The people who actually want to be productive are fine.

lastly

Democrats support killing innocent babies, but keep murders alive!

VeeJay
10/7/2008, 09:37 PM
Everybody has the same disposable camera!

Did they give those out as door prizes?

Flagstaffsooner
10/7/2008, 09:38 PM
Obama talking horse**** again.

Rogue
10/7/2008, 09:38 PM
McCain's closing comments were much better than BO's.

All in all, BO won this debate by seeming more stately.
McCain came off as curmudgeonly too often.

Last debate I gave the edge to JM.
This time I think BO took that edge for himself.

Mixer!
10/7/2008, 09:39 PM
Dude. It ain't as easy as he makes it look.

"Boom goes the dynamite" guy then?

KC//CRIMSON
10/7/2008, 09:39 PM
Obama makes me sick. People are saying "oh obama is going to save us all!!!"

SAVE US FROM WHAT. The people who actually want to be productive are fine.

lastly

Democrats support killing innocent babies, but keep murders alive!


Can't wait to see your meltdown on Nov 4th.

VeeJay
10/7/2008, 09:39 PM
Dude. It ain't as easy as he makes it look.

I know. He said the next debate was at Hofstra moderated by Bob Sheifer. i think that's all that was left.

OUthunder
10/7/2008, 09:40 PM
McCain ends strong. He finally woke up. He seemed "out of it" for most of the debate.

WTF were you watching? McCain handed Obama his ***.

The only thing The Obama said tonight is that I will throw tax payer money at everything I can and when that money runs out, I will tax you ****ers some more!

Gotta love those entitlement programs. *Wink*

CHANGE... *You Betcha*:rolleyes:

GrapevineSooner
10/7/2008, 09:40 PM
Nina Easton on FNC is hammering JM for suggesting the government take over bad mortgages.

JLEW1818
10/7/2008, 09:40 PM
Can't wait to see your meltdown on Nov 4th.

Impossible, God has a hand in politics, McCain wins.!

swardboy
10/7/2008, 09:40 PM
Everybody has the same disposable camera!

Did they give those out as door prizes?


Maybe it was for security concerns.

KC//CRIMSON
10/7/2008, 09:41 PM
WTF were you watching? McCain handed Obama his ***.

The only thing The Obama said tonight is that I will throw tax payer money at everything I can and when that money runs out, I will tax you ****ers some more!

Gotta love those entitlement programs. *Wink*

CHANGE... *You Betcha*:rolleyes:


What color is the sky in your world, green?

VeeJay
10/7/2008, 09:42 PM
We did that at our wedding. Mrs. VJ bought 20 disposable cameras and put them out on the tables. We only got 12 of them back. Most of them had goofy pics of people's faces, people sticking their tongues out, stuff like that.

OUthunder
10/7/2008, 09:42 PM
Can someone explain to me how Obaba thinks that healtchare for every person in this country is a "moral obligation" but protecting an unborn child is not?

Rogue
10/7/2008, 09:43 PM
Heh. CNN analyst just said that it's interesting in a country that's broke that JM wants to buy everybody a house and BO wants to give everybody healthcare.

The "that one" comment was a big negative for JM.

OUthunder
10/7/2008, 09:44 PM
What color is the sky in your world, green?

Blue, how bout yours, purple haze?

GrapevineSooner
10/7/2008, 09:44 PM
We did that at our wedding. Mrs. VJ bought 20 disposable cameras and put them out on the tables. We only got 12 of them back. Most of them had goofy pics of people's faces, people sticking their tongues out, stuff like that.

Yeah, we did the same thing at our wedding.

Got similar results. :D

Hot Rod
10/7/2008, 09:44 PM
Thought both gentlemen did well. Kind of humorous at times. I do like McCain's sincereness towards his country. That's kind of hard to imitate. Obama made some good points and it's good that they do agree on some issues, but everyone needs to get out and vote.

Rogue
10/7/2008, 09:44 PM
Can someone explain to me how Obabm thinks that healtchare for every person in this country is a "moral obligation" but abortion is not?

Huh?

jdsooner
10/7/2008, 09:45 PM
When the Fox News guy and the Fox News focus group gives the debate to Obama, you know that McCain is in big trouble!

olevetonahill
10/7/2008, 09:45 PM
Obama seemed to be gettin a lil pizzed towards the end , And Insisted on being able to give a rebuttle.

KC//CRIMSON
10/7/2008, 09:45 PM
Impossible, God has a hand in politics, McCain wins.!


Fail. If that were true, Bush Jr. would still be a stain in his dad's pants.

OUthunder
10/7/2008, 09:46 PM
Huh?

I worded that completely wrong. :D

GrapevineSooner
10/7/2008, 09:46 PM
I have to give the edge to Obama.

Even though I disagree with the notion that healthcare is a right. Last I checked, it wasn't enumerated in the Constitution.

Nor does the government have the obligation to save people from bad mortgages.

LosAngelesSooner
10/7/2008, 09:47 PM
Obama makes me sick. People are saying "oh obama is going to save us all!!!"

SAVE US FROM WHAT. The people who actually want to be productive are fine.

lastly

Democrats support killing innocent babies, but keep murders alive!wow


Impossible, God has a hand in politics, McCain wins.!wow wow

Penguin
10/7/2008, 09:49 PM
Don't worry. T Boone is going to tell us how to vote.

VeeJay
10/7/2008, 09:49 PM
Been thinking about this a lot.

I'm a Baby Boomer. Most of the people I know my age or older than me support JM. A larger share younger than me all the way down to the age of their first election support BO.

JM is viewed as a politician of a bygone era. Longtime Washington insider whose views are outdated as a career politician. Biden is too, but he's on the other team.

Obama is a very good communicator and has ideas and solutions that appeal to a segment of the electorate that hangs on to his every word. The appeal is so strong that the attachments to Ayers and Wright are insignificant, or just not worth equating its value to the candidate.

We're going into a new era - Hillary Clinton was the first to see that when she was knocked off the pedestal.

OUthunder
10/7/2008, 09:53 PM
Been thinking about this a lot.

I'm a Baby Boomer. Most of the people I know my age or older than me support JM. A larger share younger than me all the way down to the age of their first election support BO.

JM is viewed as a politician of a bygone era. Longtime Washington insider whose views are outdated as a career politician. Biden is too, but he's on the other team.

Obama is a very good communicator and has ideas and solutions that appeal to a segment of the electorate that hangs on to his every word. The appeal is so strong that the attachments to Ayers and Wright are insignificant, or just not worth equating its value to the candidate.

We're going into a new era - Hillary Clinton was the first to see that when she was knocked off the pedestal.

Didn't she end up with more of the popular votes than he did?

Rogue
10/7/2008, 09:53 PM
Well said VeeJay

Rogue
10/7/2008, 09:55 PM
All tied up.
1st debate - JM
2nd debate - BO

VP debate - lose/lose

tommieharris91
10/7/2008, 10:01 PM
Fail. If that were true, Bush Jr. would still be a stain in his dad's pants.

Impossible, God has a hand in politics, McCain wins.!

Don't you realize that's how he won his 2nd term?

VeeJay
10/7/2008, 10:02 PM
Didn't she end up with more of the popular votes than he did?

She had 18 million. I will go to my grave with that stat in my head.

jdsooner
10/7/2008, 10:05 PM
Obama 2
McCain 0

Biden 1
Palin 0

If the personal attacks against Obama backfire; McCain is doomed.

OUthunder
10/7/2008, 10:06 PM
McCain 2
The Obama 0

tommieharris91
10/7/2008, 10:06 PM
Obama 2
McCain 0

Biden 1
Palin 0


Well we know which side you're on...:rolleyes:

tommieharris91
10/7/2008, 10:07 PM
McCain 2
The Obama 0

We already knew which side you were on.

jdsooner
10/7/2008, 10:08 PM
"That One" 2
McCain 0

Curly Bill
10/7/2008, 10:08 PM
Guess which side I'm on! :D











Brack sucks!

LosAngelesSooner
10/7/2008, 10:10 PM
Don't you realize that's how he won his 2nd term?
One word on how Bush won his second campaign: Diebold

LosAngelesSooner
10/7/2008, 10:11 PM
Dream world: 2

Reality: 0

Curly Bill
10/7/2008, 10:11 PM
One word on how Bush won his second campaign: His opponent sucked even harder then he did

FIXED

Hot Rod
10/7/2008, 10:11 PM
I think McCain's last statement was a good one. Basically, about the unknowing of the future. Bush's adminstration has seen it's share of disasters and had to do its best to adjust to these tragedies and there have been things as well that I haven't completely agreed with. You never know what the future holds and what challenges lie ahead and Obama or McCain will have to be ready to make the right decision when these trying times occur.

tommieharris91
10/7/2008, 10:13 PM
FIXED

And that might have been an act of God.

tommieharris91
10/7/2008, 10:15 PM
Guess which side I'm on! :D











Brack sucks!
You're a bleeding heart lib. You're further left than mdklatt.

jdsooner
10/7/2008, 10:16 PM
Well we know which side you're on...:rolleyes:

The polls after the first two debates say that Obama and Biden prevailed. I guess you can argue with that if you wish. The Fox News focus group already said that Obama prevailed in this one. That doesn't look good for McCain. CNN's early poll of people who watched the debate also says that Obama won.

I think that both of the debates between McCain and Obama were close. McCain really hurt himself with his arrogant attitude. Referring to Obama as "that one" is going to be remembered and it will not help McCain.

Palin was too folksy and you cannot win a debate by announcing that you are only going to answer questions that you can answer.

By the way, I was a high school and college master debator.

Partial Qualifier
10/7/2008, 10:17 PM
Been thinking about this a lot.

I'm a Baby Boomer. Most of the people I know my age or older than me support JM. A larger share younger than me all the way down to the age of their first election support BO.

JM is viewed as a politician of a bygone era. Longtime Washington insider whose views are outdated as a career politician. Biden is too, but he's on the other team.

Obama is a very good communicator and has ideas and solutions that appeal to a segment of the electorate that hangs on to his every word. The appeal is so strong that the attachments to Ayers and Wright are insignificant, or just not worth equating its value to the candidate.

We're going into a new era - Hillary Clinton was the first to see that when she was knocked off the pedestal.

agree - well said.

I think we're ****ed either way. I like JM's ideals and he's a good man but he's well past his prime and the campaign gaffes scare me. Point in case, "last word to McCain: What is it you do not know, and how will you learn it?" He could've landed a massive uppercut there, but I could tell the thought never even crossed his mind.

Obama is a huge noob and I question the intelligence of anyone who watched that debate and thought to themselves "This man will be a great President!" but then I don't have the problems so many others seem to have in seeing through the bull****. He's a huge risk. He is an attorney who's making this up as he goes along.

And these are our choices. :(

Curly Bill
10/7/2008, 10:17 PM
You're a bleeding heart lib. You're further left than mdklatt.

If I didn't know you's kiddin I'd neg your *** for that remark! :mad: :D

Curly Bill
10/7/2008, 10:18 PM
The polls after the first two debates say that Obama and Biden prevailed. I guess you can argue with that if you wish. The Fox News focus group already said that Obama prevailed in this one. That doesn't look good for McCain. CNN's early poll of people who watched the debate also says that Obama won.

I think that both of the debates between McCain and Obama were close. McCain really hurt himself with his arrogant attitude. Referring to Obama as "that one" is going to be remembered and it will not help McCain.

Palin was too folksy and you cannot win a debate by announcing that you are only going to answer questions that you can answer.

By the way, I was a high school and college master debator.

I bet you was.

Partial Qualifier
10/7/2008, 10:19 PM
The polls after the first two debates say that Obama and Biden prevailed. I guess you can argue with that if you wish. The Fox News focus group already said that Obama prevailed in this one. That doesn't look good for McCain. CNN's early poll of people who watched the debate also says that Obama won.

I think that both of the debates between McCain and Obama were close. McCain really hurt himself with his arrogant attitude. Referring to Obama as "that one" is going to be remembered and it will not help McCain.

Palin was too folksy and you cannot win a debate by announcing that you are only going to answer questions that you can answer.

By the way, I was a high school and college master debator.

Thank you, we get it, you have a narrow point of view. Move along.

jdsooner
10/7/2008, 10:22 PM
And for what it is worth, neither McCain nor Obama did a great job in this debate. McCain is uptight and angry because he is behind and he (like Hillary) cannot believe that he is losing to a rookie. Obama is trying to appear thoughtful and in control. In other words, Obama is debating a lot like the Sooners played in the 3rd and 4th quarters of the TCU game. He is playing it safe and that is boring.

jdsooner
10/7/2008, 10:22 PM
Thank you, we get it, you have a narrow point of view. Move along.

You don't know jack, buddy. Don't patronize me when I know more than you.

Partial Qualifier
10/7/2008, 10:23 PM
McCain: gets Obama painted into a corner on issues but can't think quickly enough to finish.

Obama: thinks quick on his feet -- but he *has* to think fast, because he can't provide direct refute to McCain's implications.

Piware
10/7/2008, 10:23 PM
$3 million overhead projector? :eek:
Let the mud fly now!

What can you expect? He is from Illinois - the most politically corrupt den of thieves in the civilized world.

I still don't know how Obama can look people in the face and talk about CEOs when he has Franklin Raines (former Fannie Mae CEO) and the dude that pulled the same sh*t at Freddie Mac. Instead of being in jail, they are his senior advisors. The overhead projector is chump change compared to what those guys did.

Partial Qualifier
10/7/2008, 10:24 PM
You don't know jack, buddy. Don't patronize me when I know more than you.

Heh! Okay I'll wait until you're not so intelligent before I patronize you again.

OUthunder
10/7/2008, 10:26 PM
McCain: gets Obama painted into a corner on issues but can't think quickly enough to finish.

Obama: thinks quick on his feet -- but he *has* to think fast, because he can't provide direct refute to McCain's implications.


I completely agree with that and thought the same thing during the debates.

If McCain was like 6-8 years younger The Obama would be dead in the water IMHO.

tommieharris91
10/7/2008, 10:27 PM
Don't patronize me when I know more than you.

I might have to use this more often. It goes really well with, "I'm going to request that you stop posing in this thread."

OUthunder
10/7/2008, 10:27 PM
What can you expect? He is from Illinois - the most politically corrupt den of thieves in the civilized world.

I still don't know how Obama can look people in the face and talk about CEOs when he has Franklin Raines (former Fannie Mae CEO) and the dude that pulled the same sh*t at Fannie Mae. Instead of being in jail, they are his senior advisors. The overhead projector is chump change compared to what those guys did.

So for 3 million it gives head, correct?

Curly Bill
10/7/2008, 10:28 PM
I might have to use this more often. It goes really well with, "I'm going to request that you stop posing in this thread."

Another classic to add to the list. :D

Curly Bill
10/7/2008, 10:29 PM
If McCain was like 6-8 years younger The Obama would be dead in the water IMHO.

This statement is FAIL! Brack can walk on water so how could he be dead in the water? ;)

LosAngelesSooner
10/7/2008, 10:32 PM
What can you expect? He is from Illinois - the most politically corrupt den of thieves in the civilized world.

I still don't know how Obama can look people in the face and talk about CEOs when he has Franklin Raines (former Fannie Mae CEO) and the dude that pulled the same sh*t at Fannie Mae. Instead of being in jail, they are his senior advisors. The overhead projector is chump change compared to what those guys did.
You've gotta be kidding me with that statement...

OUthunder
10/7/2008, 10:33 PM
This statement is FAIL! Brack can walk on water so how could he be dead in the water? ;)

I will neg you for that.

Wait, I only do that to the libs, nm.