William Jefferson Clinton

[the_ouskull]

I'm curious as to the opinions of the guy from the people that were around for his presidency. If all you have to talk about is his (pitiful) taste in women, save it... I'm just curious as to whether or not anybody 1) remembers, and 2) cares (cared?) about the guy, as a President.

So please, discuss...

the_ouskull

[StoopTroup]

Now that blow jobs aren't sex...

This is a much better world.

Thanks Bill.

[Lott's Bandana]

His decimation of the personnel levels in the Armed Forces is still being felt by those serving now. I recognize that 41 scratched the surface of reductions, but Clinton and Cohen skeletonized our military...then, "oops".

Frankly the past two Democratic presidents significantly hurt the effectiveness and morale of our fighting forces...it is up to you to decide whether that is a bad thing or not.

[GrapevineSooner]

To be honest, I haven't really thought much about his Presidency in awhile. And from a legacy standpoint, I can't really remember what he did that was memorable.

[reevie]

In my opinion, Clinton may be the best politician of the era. Keep in mind, I'm not claiming him as the best president, statesman, commaner in chief, etc.

His '92 campaign hit every right note. Sen. Tsongas was correct when he labeled him the Pander Bear in a debate, but no one really noticed or cared. He took office with a very liberal agenda that immediately alienated the Reagan Democrats who voted for him. But when the Republicans organized and took Congress in '94 he understood the message and changed his agenda back to more moderate policies. And that move may have wrapped up the '96 election even without a hapless effort by Sen. Dole.
I think Clinton got it when it came to talking to Joe Blow American Public and made them confident in him, even though part of his legacy is that opinion polls are now considered to be the gospel (fortunately not as much as they were several years ago).

I would have voted for him in the '92 primaries, but it was Spring Break... I did not vote for him in 92 or 96 and I don't remember the 96 primaries. I switched parties in Nov 00.

[Rogue]

Together with a pretty conservative Congress, he made huge improvements after Reaganomics didn't work so well.

Unemployment lowered, largest economic expansion in history, turned the deficit:surplus ratio to the black, etc. His fiscal conservatism was sound.

I was a big fan of the Family Medical Leave Act and adding 100,000 more police to the forces. Welfare-to-work was better than I thought it would be.

He was decent environmentally, and did well on the world scene.

Cons: Brady bill, Don't Ask - Don't Tell, bad for guns all the way around. The VA improved, but didn't grow as it should have during his time.

All that said, I remember him most not for the blow job, but for pointing his finger and lying. He left in disgrace.

[Lott's Bandana]

Rogue, how is Don't Ask - Don't Tell bad for guns?
:D

[tommieharris91]

He did a lot of horrible things for GWB and the economy toward the end of his 2nd term. Repealing the Glass-Steagall Act and creating the legislation for the "Enron loophole" created a lot of the economic problems we have today. In fact, the 2001 recession (due to the tech bubble bursting) can be pinned squarely on Clinton. History says he was definitely weak on defense. He could have caught Osama, and the 9/11 attack likely would not have happened.

[Sooner Eclipse]

I agree with Reevie's post on almost every point.


He took office with a very liberal agenda that immediately alienated the Reagan Democrats who voted for him. But when the Republicans organized and took Congress in '94 he understood the message and changed his agenda back to more moderate policies.

I think Clinton got it when it came to talking to Joe Blow American Public and made them confident in him, even though part of his legacy is that opinion polls are now considered to be the gospel (fortunately not as much as they were several years ago).

I dont think he took office with a liberal agenda as he lied about his agenda until he got into office. The 94 congress drug him back kicking and screaming. Also agree with the opinion poll issue - the man had no spine or morals as evidenced by the fact that a leader should do whats best, not whats popular. He was absolutely maddening in this respect.


Together with a pretty conservative Congress, he made huge improvements after Reaganomics didn't work so well.

I disagree with most of this. He eliminated restrictions on business which eventually led to the meltdown we're having today. Reganomics were sucessful based on slow steady growth. There were relatively minor ups and downs but the effect pulled us out of the malaize of the 70s. Bill Clinton allowed necessary checks and balances to be removed off the business community. Yes it initially was lit afire. Business was booming. But his short sightedness is why we are in this mess today.

[Veritas]

I was in college and held the office of President (of the Student Government Association). I modeled my office after Clinton: I used my power to divert funds to my own interests (the rugby club). I nailed lots of wimmins who were enamored with my power but my cigars were used for, um, smoking (bud) only. I protected freedom of speech when they wanted to put a firewall on the internet by bringing porn and booze to an SGA meeting just to show that firewalls wouldn't keep peoples from getting to what they weren't supposed to have.

This Clinton-esque era was good times for all involved. Except for the Bible thumpers. They hated me. :)

[Okla-homey]

Probably the most capable American politician of the second half of the 20th century. Took office during the "golden time" between the collapse of the Soviet Union and the rise of fanatical Islamic militancy, thus, didn't have to deal with any serious foriegn policy issues.

Most folks who meet him say his presence tends to occupy a room and he has a unique way of connecting with people on being introduced that makes them feel as though they are personally very important to him. More importantly, it doesn't come across as being affected or strained.

Might have been capable of momentous and far-reaching accomplishments but his effectiveness in advancing his agenda was hamstrung by some profoundly stupid personal decisions.

Probably a fun guy to sit with at a football game or a tittie bar.

[King Crimson]

Most folks who meet him say his presence tends to occupy a room and he has a unique way of connecting with people on being introduced that makes them feel as though they are personally very important to him. More importantly, it doesn't come across as being affected or strained.

Might have been capable of momentous and far-reaching accomplishments but his effectiveness in advancing his agenda was hamstrung by some profoundly stupid personal decisions.

Probably a fun guy to sit with at a football game or a tittie bar.

this about the same thing as people I know who worked at CU in the 90's say about Rick Neuheisel.

[Sooner Eclipse]

this about the same thing as people I know who worked at CU in the 90's say about Rick Neuheisel.

Ouch, the dreaded Slick Rick comparision.

[KC//CRIMSON]

I'm curious as to the opinions of the guy from the people that were around for his presidency. If all you have to talk about is his (pitiful) taste in women, save it... I'm just curious as to whether or not anybody 1) remembers, and 2) cares (cared?) about the guy, as a President.

So please, discuss...

the_ouskull


Life was good my friend. Strong economy, unemployment down, and jobs were everywhere. And a HUGE Federal Budget surplus.

Whatever happened to that surplus anyway? I forget.

[Rogue]

So, some of you seriously believe that the economic good times during the Clinton years were b/c of the '80s? And blame him but not the GOP congress then or the past 8 years for the meltdown now? Amazing.

[Jerk]

I hear the Chinese love him. They can now launch an ICBM into space with multiple independent warheads.

[yermom]

So, some of you seriously believe that the economic good times during the Clinton years were b/c of the '80s? And blame him but not the GOP congress then or the past 8 years for the meltdown now? Amazing.

well, the bubble didn't burst while he was around, how can you blame him? :)

i was pretty unimpressed either way with Clinton.

until Iraq, i was fairly happy with GWB. but he didn't stand out from Gore to me through the election, but i liked how he initially handled 9/11.

the tech thing was starting, but then 9/11 just kinda hammered everything. i'm not sure what anyone could have done to keep the economy going right after that

[Sooner04]

Clinton, at his core, was scum. Total scum. The guy had absolutely zero scruples and never once failed to look out for old #1.

That being said, the guy was the greatest politician I've ever seen. He was untouchable. In the last 50 years, he was far and away the best to play the game. They had him stapled to the wall with the Lewinsky deal and still couldn't touch him. Incredible.

[King Crimson]

So, some of you seriously believe that the economic good times during the Clinton years were b/c of the '80s? And blame him but not the GOP congress then or the past 8 years for the meltdown now? Amazing.

everything good that happened in the last 30 years is because of Ronaldus Maximus. haven't you learned anything on so many years on this board?

even though he slashed the DOE budget for research into alternative energy sources in his FIRST term, doesn't matter. he was never a creature of petroleum politics. always looking to the future, enemy of BIG government.

[the_ouskull]

Whatever happened to that surplus anyway? I forget.

You know those white trash stickers of [Character that resembles "Calvin" from the cartoon strip, "Calvin and Hobbes"] peeing on something, usually a truck logo?

W's presidency = Calvin
Truck logo = Surplus

Good stuff so far, guys... Keep it up. I think that, given what we've had to endure the past 8 years, and what's happened to our economy, our education under NCLB, and our country in general, I miss the sh*t out of W.J. Clinton. I saw a Daily Show interview with him last night (or maybe it was this morning, I don't remember) that got me thinking about him again... He was the first real Baby Boomer president, and, by God, our country did well under him.

Yeah, he made the military smaller. When you're not getting into pointless wars every other couple of years, you don't have to have a large military. It's amazing how much money we can save when we take care of America first, and let other countries take care of themselves for a while, no?

the_ouskull

[Blue]

To me, whoever the President is doesn't matter as much as the circumstances of their presidency. I guess what I'm saying is that if you switch WJC w GWB things would pretty much be the same.

To me, after watching GWB for 8 years, the pres. is just an empty suit.

[Harry Beanbag]

I still don't understand how people think that the government having a budget surplus is a good thing.

[Harry Beanbag]

You know those white trash stickers of [Character that resembles "Calvin" from the cartoon strip, "Calvin and Hobbes"] peeing on something, usually a truck logo?

W's presidency = Calvin
Truck logo = Surplus

Good stuff so far, guys... Keep it up. I think that, given what we've had to endure the past 8 years, and what's happened to our economy, our education under NCLB, and our country in general, I miss the sh*t out of W.J. Clinton. I saw a Daily Show interview with him last night (or maybe it was this morning, I don't remember) that got me thinking about him again... He was the first real Baby Boomer president, and, by God, our country did well under him.

Yeah, he made the military smaller. When you're not getting into pointless wars every other couple of years, you don't have to have a large military. It's amazing how much money we can save when we take care of America first, and let other countries take care of themselves for a while, no?

the_ouskull


You see things in very simplified terms don't you.

The Harry Beanbag

[Veritas]

I think that, given what we've had to endure the past 8 years, and what's happened to our economy, our education under NCLB, and our country in general, I miss the sh*t out of W.J. Clinton. I saw a Daily Show interview with him last night (or maybe it was this morning, I don't remember) that got me thinking about him again... He was the first real Baby Boomer president, and, by God, our country did well under him.

Yeah, he made the military smaller. When you're not getting into pointless wars every other couple of years, you don't have to have a large military. It's amazing how much money we can save when we take care of America first, and let other countries take care of themselves for a while, no?
That's a pretty short-term perspective.

Our country did well under a truly conservative Republican congress in spite of Clinton's jackassery.

[Flagstaffsooner]

You see things in very simplified terms don't you.

The Harry BeanbagHe's a Phi Kapp.

[DeadSolidPerfect]

Whatever happened to that surplus anyway? I forget.

We gave the money back to the people who earned it in the first place.

[Piware]

I hear the Chinese love him. They can now launch an ICBM into space with multiple independent warheads.

This was the same guy that refused when Sudan tried to hand us Osama Bin Laden on a silver platter.

My opinion, not much!

[Vaevictis]

I still don't understand how people think that the government having a budget surplus is a good thing.

It allows you to pay down the trillions of dollars of debt we have.

Once that's paid off, yeah, I agree -- such surpluses should be refunded.

[Vaevictis]

That's a pretty short-term perspective.

Our country did well under a truly conservative Republican congress in spite of Clinton's jackassery.

I think both the Republican Congress and the Clinton Presidency benefited immensely from the fact that they didn't have a bunch of yes-men down the street letting them have whatever they wanted.

Like say, GW Bush.

[SanJoaquinSooner]

minus the *****mongering, he was a very good president.

obama must agree to some extent, as he's being advised by Lawrence Summers, Robert Rubin, and Laura Tyson - three econ principals from Clinton's admin.

And Ronald Reagan himself would have thanked Clinton free trade, welfare reform, and a balanced budget. That gives a whole new meaning to liberal.

[Collier11]

Life was good my friend. Strong economy, unemployment down, and jobs were everywhere. And a HUGE Federal Budget surplus.

Whatever happened to that surplus anyway? I forget.


And clinton had more to do with what is happening today than balancing the budget...thats why he was a great politician, he convinced you that he was responsible for stuff that he wasnt

[Collier11]

Say what you will about GWB's presidency but the economy wasnt doing too bad until the dems took over senate and congress

[Vaevictis]

Say what you will about Bill Clinton's presidency, but the terrorists didn't fly planes into the WTC until the Republicans took over the White House.

Does that sound as absolutely idiotic to you as your comment does to me? (and every other person in the world with any sense at all)

[Collier11]

Your comment sounds about 500% more idiotic if you ask me since repubs or dems have no control over what a terrorist does, a house or senate majority does have control over things involving the economyand look what happened.

[Vaevictis]

Your comment sounds about 500% more idiotic if you ask me since repubs or dems have no control over what a terrorist does, a house or senate majority does have control over things involving the economyand look what happened.

So wait, the President has no control over what a terrorist does?

I guess we better tell the FBI, CIA, NSA and our military to pack up and go home. They're clearly not doing any good, so we better reallocate those resources to something useful.

And heck, it's clearly Congress that has control of the economy. I mean, they're the ones that nominate the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve, right? And the Treasury Secretary? Oh, and they're the ones that sign passed bills into law, too. And clearly, they're the ones that told the banking industry to lever up 30:1 buying up assets that would tank. Right?

Seriously dude, are you that much of a partisan hack, or are you really that ignorant?

[Collier11]

You are the one that is showing your colors, if you think a President has control over what a Terrorist does you are just being simple minded, what a president does have control over is when a country offers up Osama Bin Laden on a silver platter and he turns it down several times.

I am about as non partisan as you are going to find but I am smart enough to realize that the dems blind worship of WJC is empty. The guy was a great politician as someone said, he was a smooth talker(sound familiar democratic party) but he largely lacked substance...he didnt have to deal with the issues that GW has, when the decisions are tougher you make bad ones sometimes and obviously GW has done that. You guys want to bash good ol GW and talk about his approval rating and this and that, look at the senates approval rating and they are...yes, Democratic. What the hell have they accomplished in two plus years?

Your description of how the economy works in relation to the president is humorous, its not quite as simple as you are trying to make it. YOu might want to add a few details in there that you conveniently leave out.

Oh yea, you ask am I really that ignorant, all I know is that im not ignorant enough to blindly follow a politician and believe everything that Olberman and CNN are telling me.

[Vaevictis]

You are the one that is showing your colors, if you think a President has control over what a Terrorist does you are just being simple minded, what a president does have control over is when a country offers up Osama Bin Laden on a silver platter and he turns it down several times.

If the (Office of the) President has no control over what a terrorist does, then we better just have all of our counter-terrorism folks pack it up and go home, because clearly they have no hope in hell of preventing a terrorist attack evar. Right?


Your description of how the economy works in relation to the president is humorous, its not quite as simple as you are trying to make it. YOu might want to add a few details in there that you conveniently leave out.

Trust me, I know it's not that simple, which is why I find your implication that it's the Democratic Congress' fault we're here to be revoltingly ignorant.

It'd be just as rediculously stupid to try to blame it all on GW. Neither of them has that much control. If they did, we'd never have a goddamn recession, ever.

The reality is that it's really hard to control an economy when you really don't know what's going on until maybe a year after the fact.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Clinton, at his core, was scum. Total scum. The guy had absolutely zero scruples and never once failed to look out for old #1.

That being said, the guy was the greatest politician I've ever seen. He was untouchable. In the last 50 years, he was far and away the best to play the game. They had him stapled to the wall with the Lewinsky deal and still couldn't touch him. Incredible.His success at political gamesmanship was totally dependent upon the media protecting and promoting him. Had they not been on his side, he would have never been elected in the first place. BTW, how old are you, the_ouskull?

[Vaevictis]

In other words, blaming the economy on Congress or the White House is just as incredibly stupid as trying to blame GW Bush for 9/11.

**** happens, and nobody can see the future.

[Collier11]

I never once blamed the entire mess of our economy on the dems, you are making assumptions. I said that the economy was a lot better before they took over, although it was WJC that deregulated the big corps. wasnt it, probably had something to do with our issues today.

Our govt can take all the measures that they want to stop terrorism and it works far more than we will ever know, but to say that a President or a 'presidency' can prevent it is wrong. If some person that hates America wants to blow something up, there is a decent chance that he might be able to do that. We cant stop everything.

Try not taking things so seriously, it doesnt do much for a good discussion when you have to make things personal...its not becoming

[olevetonahill]

Say what you will about Bill Clinton's presidency, but the terrorists didn't fly planes into the WTC until the Republicans took over the White House.

Does that sound as absolutely idiotic to you as your comment does to me? (and every other person in the world with any sense at all)

You got that shat right
Oh slick willie sold out to the Chicoms and the Terrorist. So when W took over they Struck fast :rolleyes:

[Vaevictis]

I never once blamed the entire mess of our economy on the dems, you are making assumptions. I said that the economy was a lot better before they took over, although it was WJC that deregulated the big corps. wasnt it, probably had something to do with our issues today.

What you said was:


Say what you will about GWB's presidency but the economy wasnt doing too bad until the dems took over senate and congress

Seriously, did you think anyone is going to take it any way other than the way I took it?


Our govt can take all the measures that they want to stop terrorism and it works far more than we will ever know, but to say that a President or a 'presidency' can prevent it is wrong. If some person that hates America wants to blow something up, there is a decent chance that he might be able to do that. We cant stop everything.

No kidding. That's my point. The same principle applies to the economy.

[olevetonahill]

In other words, blaming the economy on Congress or the White House is just as incredibly stupid as trying to blame GW Bush for 9/11.

**** happens, and nobody can see the future.

Is this a flip flop from you ?
:rolleyes:

[Vaevictis]

Is this a flip flop from you ?
:rolleyes:

Nope. Blaming 9/11 on Bush is idiocy. That's what I was trying to get at with my original post. And by the same token, blaming the current state of the economy on the Democratic Congress is idiocy. I guess I was insufficiently clear :D

[Veritas]

Generally speaking, blaming an economic or foreign policy problem on the sitting President and Congress is as stupid as blaming the transmission going out on your car on your buddy who happened to be driving it at the time.

[olevetonahill]

Nope. Blaming 9/11 on Bush is idiocy. That's what I was trying to get at with my original post. And by the same token, blaming the current state of the economy on the Democratic Congress is idiocy. I guess I was insufficiently clear :D

As allways :rolleyes:

[Collier11]

Generally speaking, blaming an economic or foreign policy problem on the sitting President and Congress is as stupid as blaming the transmission going out on your car on your buddy who happened to be driving it at the time.

actually, what you just said makes zero sense

[Collier11]

Nope. Blaming 9/11 on Bush is idiocy. That's what I was trying to get at with my original post. And by the same token, blaming the current state of the economy on the Democratic Congress is idiocy. I guess I was insufficiently clear :D

What you say is true in a lot of aspects but if this is so idiotic, why does GW get blamed for every F'n thing that goes wrong by your dem buddies?

[Vaevictis]

What you say is true in a lot of aspects but if this is so idiotic, why does GW get blamed for every F'n thing that goes wrong by your dem buddies?

Because both parties have their rather large share of morons.

Yeah, that includes my 'dem buddies.'

[olevetonahill]

actually, what you just said makes zero sense


What you say is true in a lot of aspects but if this is so idiotic, why does GW get blamed for every F'n thing that goes wrong by your dem buddies?

Your last 2 post seem to me to Contradict each other :confused:

[Collier11]

I meant that his car ref made no sense cus if your buddy is driving your car like an idiot and the tranny goes out, its his frickin fault. I should have elaborated

[Collier11]

Because both parties have their rather large share of morons.

Yeah, that includes my 'dem buddies.'

The majority of them are what I like to call "really smart idiots" cus they are obviously educated but have no clue or maybe just dont care when it comes to helping out the common man

[Harry Beanbag]

It allows you to pay down the trillions of dollars of debt we have.


That's funny. You actually believe that would have happened?

[Veritas]

actually, what you just said makes zero sense
It does too!!!1111 :texan:

Just saying that most of the time you can't go blaming the guy that just took over a system from another operator when that system goes kaput shortly thereafter. It usually has a lot more to do with the previous operator than the new guy.

My transmission analogy came from the time in college when I borrowed a buddy's car to run to the store and on the way the tranny let go. He tried to insist that it was my fault and that I pay for his new transmission. Nyeah...guess not.

[Vaevictis]

The majority of them are what I like to call "really smart idiots" cus they are obviously educated but have no clue or maybe just dont care when it comes to helping out the common man

Stupidity is not restricted to the uneducated.

I heard this recently, and I rather like it:

"Ignorant is fine. Ignorance can be cured through education. But no amount of education cures stupid."

[Vaevictis]

That's funny. You actually believe that would have happened?

About as much as I believe that folks running for office advocating tax cuts are going to cut the budget by a like amount.

'Twould be nice, but it almost never seems to work out that way.

[tommieharris91]

What you say is true in a lot of aspects but if this is so idiotic, why does GW get blamed for every F'n thing that goes wrong by your dem buddies?

It's kinda like blaming Brent Venables. It becomes habit.

[olevetonahill]

It's kinda like blaming Brent Venables. It becomes habit.

Fire Brent Venables
He Not only ****ed up our D hes ****ed up the Econimy to .:mad:

[Collier11]

It does too!!!1111 :texan:

Just saying that most of the time you can't go blaming the guy that just took over a system from another operator when that system goes kaput shortly thereafter. It usually has a lot more to do with the previous operator than the new guy.

My transmission analogy came from the time in college when I borrowed a buddy's car to run to the store and on the way the tranny let go. He tried to insist that it was my fault and that I pay for his new transmission. Nyeah...guess not.

so you are essentially agreeing that WJC's presidency had more to do with our economic problems that we have now than the prosperity we saw under him? :D

[Collier11]

It's kinda like blaming Brent Venables. It becomes habit.

YOU BASTARD!

[olevetonahill]

Ok another
" True story from the Olevet chronicals"
In 92 after klinton took office :mad:
Not sure if i should share this or Not .

[Collier11]

Ok another
" True story from the Olevet chronicals"
In 92 after klinton took office :mad:
Not sure if i should share this or Not .

you were called to do this...share away

[olevetonahill]

so you are essentially agreeing that WJC's presidency had more to do with our economic problems that we have now than the prosperity we saw under him? :D

I will :D

[olevetonahill]

you were called to do this...share away

Yall sure ?:O

[Veritas]

so you are essentially agreeing that WJC's presidency had more to do with our economic problems that we have now than the prosperity we saw under him? :D
Sorta kinda...not really. It has far less to do with WJC than with the Congress during the last four years of his Presidency and the Congress during Bush's first term, to which the nation delivered a well-deserved "get the **** out" a few years back.

[Collier11]

Yall sure ?:O

make it happen

[olevetonahill]

make it happen

Ok you asked for it
Most of you Know Im a drunk right ?
In 92 I was a single Dad Trying to Raise My sons
and doing a dayum fine Jorb
The VA and SS schedualed me for a Shrink exam :mad:
aw **** it Most dont care and the rest say WTF .

[Vaevictis]

so you are essentially agreeing that WJC's presidency had more to do with our economic problems that we have now than the prosperity we saw under him? :D

Or even further back.

We're still reaping dividends from the Marshall Plan, good policy in Japan post-WWII, and blow-back from supporting Operation Ajax and from supporting the Mujahadeen. (Among many other examples.)

[Collier11]

well you say what you want, ill listen if you are talkin

[Collier11]

Or even further back.

We're still reaping dividends from the Marshall Plan, good policy in Japan post-WWII, and blow-back from supporting Operation Ajax and from supporting the Mujahadeen. (Among many other examples.)


I cant even blame this on being drunk but I just realized im having a convo with vaevictis and veritas, I wasnt paying attention and thought it was vaevictis the whole time :D I thought the tone changed a bit

[olevetonahill]

well you say what you want, ill listen if you are talkin

Jes fer you Bro
Remember when I came Home The countyr Hated US . at least as far as we Knew . The Vocal Minority spit on us . the Majority Let em .:mad:
Can ya tell tell Im an Angry ****in VET ?:rolleyes:
So in 92 after the country elected this Draft dogin Homo lovin POS Pres
http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/blog_mass_destruction/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/bill-and-hillary.jpg
I had to go to a Shrink Eval On ****ing MEMORIAL day
After the Nov, elections I had quit watching TeeVee , Listening to Radio or reading The News Papers.
Why you Might ask ?
Cause I said then It was the LAST Insult this country was Gonna put on Me as Nam Vet( electin that POS pres.)
Ive Told the People since then to Kiss My *** .
Short story Long . The 1st question the shrink asked Me ( after they Put me in a small room Bymyself)
Was " Waht do you think Of Clinton " I froze ( i had been pacing like a Tiger in a ****ing Cage )
My words " That Draft dodgin queer loving POS "
The shrink said "OK " that tells Me what you think of HIM . But what I was gonna ask is " What do you think Of klinton Giving a speech today ( remember this was MEMORIAL day 92 )at the Viet Nam Memorial ?
Then I froze solid and said " WHAT" ?
Gotta remember I hadnt turned On a TV or anything after he got elected .
He said Yea klinton is speakin today at the Wall .
I asked Is this Between you and ME ?
He said YUP .
My answer .
" If I had known, Id have been there to ***** his azz ."
So do yall have a Clue as to what i Think of either of em ?
Hell I sent an Email to to the BASTARD . Every one said Oh shat the SS is gonna be knockin on yer door .
it was 3 years later that I found out that the Nam vets Present that day
when the prick started to speak Yelled " ABOUT FACE "
and turned their Backs On him
My Bros In arms .
you asked fer it so thats a condensed version .:P

[olevetonahill]

Collier , I tole ya No one wanted to hear this .:rolleyes:

[Collier11]

Jes fer you Bro
Remember when I came Home The countyr Hated US . at least as far as we Knew . The Vocal Minority spit on us . the Majority Let em .:mad:
Can ya tell tell Im an Angry ****in VET ?:rolleyes:
So in 92 after the country elected this Draft dogin Homo lovin POS Pres
http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/blog_mass_destruction/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/bill-and-hillary.jpg
I had to go to a Shrink Eval On ****ing MEMORIAL day
After the Nov, elections I had quit watching TeeVee , Listening to Radio or reading The News Papers.
Why you Might ask ?
Cause I said then It was the LAST Insult this country was Gonna put on Me as Nam Vet( electin that POS pres.)
Ive Told the People since then to Kiss My *** .
Short story Long . The 1st question the shrink asked Me ( after they Put me in a small room Bymyself)
Was " Waht do you think Of Clinton " I froze ( i had been pacing like a Tiger in a ****ing Cage )
My words " That Draft dodgin queer loving POS "
The shrink said "OK " that tells Me what you think of HIM . But what I was gonna ask is " What do you think Of klinton Giving a speech today ( remember this was MEMORIAL day 92 )at the Viet Nam Memorial ?
Then I froze solid and said " WHAT" ?
Gotta remember I hadnt turned On a TV or anything after he got elected .
He said Yea klinton is speakin today at the Wall .
I asked Is this Between you and ME ?
He said YUP .
My answer .
" If I had known, Id have been there to ***** his azz ."
So do yall have a Clue as to what i Think of either of em ?
Hell I sent an Email to to the BASTARD . Every one said Oh shat the SS is gonna be knockin on yer door .
it was 3 years later that I found out that the Nam vets Present that day
when the prick started to speak Yelled " ABOUT FACE "
and turned their Backs On him
My Bros In arms .
you asked fer it so thats a condensed version .:P

I had fallen asleep but I was interested, its a good story. You and they were convicted and thats something that meant somethin to you...if you dont stand up for what you strongly believe no one will do it for ya

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spek, olevet.

[MrJimBeam]

Say what you will about Bill Clinton's presidency, but the terrorists didn't fly planes into the WTC until the Republicans took over the White House.

How is it the Clinton lovers always forget 1993?

[Tulsa_Fireman]

Or the 1995 bombing in Saudi Arabia which killed 5 US servicemen, or the 1996 al-Khobar towers bombing that killed 19 and injured 200 US servicemen, or the 1998 bombing of US embassies in Africa that killed 257 and injured 5000, or the bombing of the U.S.S. Cole in 2000.

All addressed by police action (exempting a few missiles in the mountains of Afghanistan), hamstrung by the Saudis or Yemenis in almost every case.

Nice track record, Bill.