Objective question from an undecided voter...

[Soonerus]

...Does anybody really know what Obama stands for ???

[Curly Bill]

CHANGE

heh, it's been a long time since I've posted a ginormous CHANGE. :D Felt good. :D

[Soonerus]

CHANGE

heh, it's been a long time since I've posted a ginormous CHANGE. :D Felt good. :D

That's an unoriginal generality that means nothing...

[Curly Bill]

That's an unoriginal generality that means nothing...

Don't tell me, I'm just the messenger. :P

[SoonerStormchaser]

No, and the Dems don't know what he's for either...cause they can't name a single piece of legislation that he's sponsored and passed while in the Senate.

But hey...JSM is evil and is another Bush clone...that's all they know.

[JohnnyMack]

If you don't know where Obama stands on the issues at this point you're hopeless. You're either too lazy to read or too stupid to comprehend. You don't deserve to vote.

[Curly Bill]

If you don't know where Obama stands on the issues at this point you're hopeless. You're either too lazy to read or too stupid to comprehend. You don't deserve to vote.

It's SicEm, not you, that gets to decide who votes! :P

[Soonerus]

If you don't know where Obama stands on the issues at this point you're hopeless. You're either too lazy to read or too stupid to comprehend. You don't deserve to vote.

He changes so often, I have not been keeping a scorecard...

[JohnnyMack]

It's SicEm, not you, that gets to decide who votes! :P

I'd take his test!

[Soonerus]

I'd take his test!

No thanks...

[mdklatt]

He changes so often, I have not been keeping a scorecard...

If that bothers you, you better not vote for McCain. He's got more flip-flops than a sorority house.

[Curly Bill]

If that bothers you, you better not vote for McCain. He's got more flip-flops than a sorority house.

Yeah but McCain's a war hero. :P

[Soonerus]

If that bothers you, you better not vote for McCain. He's got more flip-flops than a sorority house.

I am reserving judgment until I walk into the voting booth...

[SicEmBaylor]

I'd take his test!

You would pass. I disagree with you politically, but at least you aren't ignorant.

[Jerk]

...Does anybody really know what Obama stands for ???

Socialism.

[StoopTroup]

...Does anybody really know what Obama stands for ???

Your approaching this from the wrong direction IMO.

Go to both Candidates websites and go today.

Read as much as you can stand.

You have to will yourself to do it IMO.

Next...take a day off and do something different.

The very next day...watch as much Fox and CNN as you can stand.

The next day...try and find as many Top Bloggers from both sides as you can and then....

Don't forget to go to the OU v TCU game.

Take Sunday off.

Monday...come back here and fill us in because from what I see...neither of those two somebeaches know what the heck to do and are flying from the seat of their pants in an effort to get elected. Once that happens...they'll re-test the waters for sharks again and probably start campaigning for all the folks that got them there and none of what they said they actually were gonna do will really happen.

My take...Vote for Barry and watch folks have a heart attack.

If Clinton couldn't bring an end to America after 8 years...

Neither will Barry.

God Blessed the USA...remember?

We always have that thanks to Lee Greenwood. :D

[Okla-homey]

Your approaching this from the wrong direction IMO.

Go to both Candidates websites and go today.

Read as much as you can stand.

You have to will yourself to do it IMO.

Next...take a day off and do something different.

The very next day...watch as much Fox and CNN as you can stand.

The next day...try and find as many Top Bloggers from both sides as you can and then....

Don't forget to go to the OU v TCU game.

Take Sunday off.

Monday...come back here and fill us in because from what I see...neither of those two somebeaches know what the heck to do and are flying from the seat of their pants in an effort to get elected. Once that happens...they'll re-test the waters for sharks again and probably start campaigning for all the folks that got them there and none of what they said they actually were gonna do will really happen.

My take...Vote for Barry and watch folks have a heart attack.

If Clinton couldn't bring an end to America after 8 years...

Neither will Barry.

God Blessed the USA...remember?

We always have that thanks to Lee Greenwood. :D

C'mon ST, admit it. Like any other white male union member, you're just supporting BHO 'cause your union bosses are requiring it. There is no other comprehensible reason. ;)

[85Sooner]

Given the fact
that he has only held public office for a total of 12 years we will start with his first successful election in 1996. He was elected to represent the south side of Chicago in the Illinois State Senate and served in that capacity until his unsuccessful democratic primary run for the United States Congress in 2000.

In 2004 he ran for an open seat in the US senate. He won the Democratic nomination.(factoid)
His democratic primary opponant Blair Hull, who was ahead in polling, lost momentum and his support continued to decline due to allegations of domestic abuse.

Thus he was thrust into competeing agains republican Primary winner Jack Ryan. Ryan withdrew from the race with three months to go due to allegations of sexual discretions (he was a swinger) revealed in his divorce records from the hollywood star Jeri Ryan of Star Trek and Shark fame.

Writers note: Is it me or do the republicans tend to throw any of there own under a bus at the mention of sexual allegations unlike some other parties. Whether or not that matters to the reader is left up to them.

Back to our story. Since the election was so close the repulicans chose to have Alan Keys take over the run for the seat but time was short and Obama won easily. Thus it could be said that he was elected by default. However he was reelcted in 1998 and 2002

During his time in the Illinois Senate,Barack placed nearly 4000 votes. per the NT Times...
" In 1999, Barack Obama was faced with a difficult
vote in the Illinois legislature — to support a bill that would let some juveniles be tried as adults, a position that risked drawing fire from African-Americans, or to oppose it, possibly undermining his image as a tough-on-crime moderate.

In the end, Mr. Obama chose neither to vote for nor against the bill.
He voted "present," effectively sidestepping the issue, an option he invoked nearly 130 times as a state senator.

Sometimes the "present' votes were in line with instructions from Democratic leaders or because he objected to provisions in bills that he might otherwise support. At other times, Mr. Obama voted present on questions that had overwhelming bipartisan support.

In at least a few cases, the issue was politically sensitive."
While in the state Senate according to wikepedia, As a state legislator, Obama gained bipartisan support for legislation reforming ethics and health care laws.

He sponsored a law enhancing tax credits for low-income workers,
negotiated welfare reform, and promoted increased subsidies for childcare.
Obama also led the passage of legislation mandating videotaping of homicide
interrogations, and a law to monitor racial profiling by requiring police to
record the race of drivers they stopped.

Since we do not have a long history of his service in public office as a US Senator,
(3 years) lets take a look at his performance in those three years. By Issue.
Regarding

1 Abortion: Two Non-votes regarding the federal funding of abortion and
one Yes vote to fund programs to prevent unwanted regnancies
and provide funding for federally funded birth control. voted 4 times against allowing medical treatment for the babies born alive after attemped abortions failed. (even Boxer voted for this)

2 Agriculture: Three Non-votes and Voted yes to limit federal subsidies to a
max of 250k and requiring any entity recieving funds to be in
the farming business. (ie no money for agriculteral corporations.)

3 Appropriations: ie Spending your tax money: one non-vote, FOUR no votes and 32 yes votes.
Thus it would be safe to say that he likes to spend. This is
only opinion and these votes have been made in a democratic
majority congress. I don't know if we would see a difference
in with a republican majority.

4. Taxes / Budget: out of 63 votes he has voted. 12 No votes mainly related to
Tax cuts, military spending. Pretty much anything that would
keep the current tax rates at their current levels or reducey them.
29 non-votes mostly since July 2007. 22 yes votes mainly along the
lines of increasing taxes and providing funds for education and
environmental groups/issues.

I can invite you review them for yourself but from what I have been able to
determine after reading the 409 bills for consideration during his term
is that he is for-

gov funded stem cell research,
rights of habeus corpus for all enemy detainees.
social security benefits for illegal immigrants.
Repeal of the death tax, capitol gains tax cuts.
Pull out of Iraq in a timetable.
Universal Healthcare

he is against.
Tax cuts for anyone earning 42k or more or 65k for a married couple.
English as a national language.
Any emergency spending for military.
Immunity for gun makers for crimes commited with weapons.


The thing I notice the most is his amount of Non-votes. 33% of the time he
votes a non-vote.

So in his three years in the Senate he has voted "non-vote" on 129 of 409 issues.
Most of these seem to be on critical issues. IE illegal immigration, environmental spending,
abortion, same sex marriage, national security. Again like McCain this may be so that
he cannot be held to any certain position.

Thus, I can see why Hillary is talking so much about his words vs actions. He seems to
want to be elected on his personality rather than his record which is IMO quite limited.
Limited enough that he sure needs to be more specific, this again is my opinion
He can't sit on the fence as The President of the most powerful nation in the world.

Incidently, He speaks of voting against the war that Hillary voted for. Unless my
timetable is wrong, he wasn't in office to make a vote either way. Its easy to say you
were against the war when you don't have to vote. Given that, it is clear he wants the U.S.
out of iraq.

That being said I looked at his ratings group by group based on who supports him.

Virtually every liberal group rates him 80% or higher. he has

Environmentalist groups,
pretty much every abortion advocate
The National Organization for Women (NOW)
Heavy Union support
Government Contractors
Education unions
Lawyer organizations
Most support from Minority groups NAACP, La Raza (hispanic) and the Iranian american council.


He is gets an F from the NRA.

He gets low ratings from groups interested in cutting spending,
Veterens give him a mid 80's rating, 100 being the best
On Trade he recieves a grade of C
On National Security he recieves a 20 out of 100
On immigration he gets below 20 from every one but the Lawyers and Iranian groups
including a grade of 8 from the US Border Patrol and a 0 from the group
English first.
Foreign policy less than 20 out of 100 on average.

Wrapping up. He does not list any religion on his Bio/website although he is backed by
some muslim groups,it would not be appropriate to tie him to any one group including
but not limited to Christian.

He acknowledges drug use in his past which may matter to some folks.

I do not see any relative experience with regard to policy making with regard to economics, healthcare or foreign relations. (This is a major concern for your lowly correspondent. I really want specifics and clear accurate specifics in light of this fact.)



So far I have read interviews with those who have been backing him looking for any major accomplishments. I have found none and can't find any reports by anyone claiming to know any. This could be of concern to some.

Right now it seems that he is a young bright man who has found the fast track to
the national scene. Alot of folks have compared him to John F Kennedy back in 1960 however,
JFK would be considered a conservative by todays standards based on his record.

Thats all I have for now.

[OUHOMER]

85sooner, you really need to spend some time looking into this.:D
But I agree with you. its amazing how his non-commitment is being overlooked. Seems some folks don't want to hear it. They just don't want another GWB. (I am not say JM is a GWB)

[swardboy]

But, but Babba Wawa thinks he's one sexy man.....

[NormanPride]

I would love to see that same type of write-up for McCain. Side by side it would provide an excellent source of information for undecided voters.

[OUthunder]

I would love to see that same type of write-up for McCain. Side by side it would provide an excellent source of information for undecided voters.

You're asking an awful lot from the media.

[85Sooner]

DUPLICATE POST

[85Sooner]

John McCains resume highlights and lowlights.

Since the previous post on Hillary started when she was First Lady,
(nothing regarding her experiences as an attorney and her tenure as first lady in Arkansas),we will start Mr McCains review starting with his first experiences in the federal government.

in 1977 McCain was appointed the Navy's liaison to the U.S. Senate.
area, McCain soon became the leader of the Russell Senate Office Building
liaison operation

McCain retired from the Navy in 1981 as a Captain.[15] During his military career,he received a Silver Star, a Bronze Star, the Legion of Merit, the Purple Heart, and a Distinguished Flying Cross

Living in Phoenix, McCain went to work for his new father-in-law Jim Hensley's large Anheuser-Busch beer distributorship as Vice President of Public Relations, where he gained political support among the local business community, meeting powerful figures such as banker Charles Keating, Jr., real estate developer Fife Symington III, and newspaper publisher Darrow "Duke" Tully, all the while looking for an electoral opportunity. Keep that name Keating in mind for later.

McCain ran for the seat as a Republican in 1982,and He was elected the president of the 1983 Republican freshman class of representatives. During his time there, he sponsored a number of Indian Affairs bills, dealing mainly with giving distribution of lands to reservations and tribal tax status; most of these bills were unsuccessful.

McCain's politics at this point were mainly in line with President Ronald Reagan.
His reputation as a polital maverick came when he voted against Reagans proposal to keep our forces on the ground in Lebenon as part of a multi national taskforce. ( the barracks bombing came a few weeks after this vote.)

McCain decided to run for United States Senator from Arizona in 1986. fOR all
intents and purposes he ran opposed (actually against a light weight candidate)
due to his percieved certainty in coming out on top for the seat.

Although he states that he believed Prsident Clinton was guilty of the crimes he was accused of and stated that he would vote guilty. His record states a No-Vote on both charges.

McCain's associations with Duke Tully, who by now had been disgraced for having concocted a fictitious military record, as well as revelations of father-in-law Jim Hensley's past brushes with the law, became campaign issues, but in the end McCain won the election.

In 1989, he became a staunch defender of his friend John Tower's doomed nomination for U.S. Secretary of Defense; McCain butted heads with Moral Majority co-founder Paul Weyrich — who was challenging Tower regarding alleged heavy drinking and extramarital affairs — and thus began McCain's difficult relationship with the Christian right.

McCain's upwards political trajectory was jolted when he became enmeshed in the Keating Five scandal of the 1980s. In the context of the Savings and Loan crisis of that decade,Charles Keating Jr.'s Lincoln Savings and Loan Association, a subsidiary of his American Continental Corporation, was insolvent due to some bad loans. In order to regain solvency,Lincoln sold investment in a real estate venture as a FDIC insured savings account.
This caught the eye of federal regulators who were looking to shut it down. It is alleged that Keating contacted five senators to whom he made contributions. McCain was one of those senators and he met at least twice in 1987 with Ed Gray, chairman of the Federal Home Loan Bank Board, seeking to prevent the government's seizure of Lincoln. Between 1982 and 1987, McCain received approximately $112,000 in political contributions from Keating and his associates.[97] In addition, McCain's wife and her father had invested
$359,100 in a Keating shopping center in April 1986, a year before McCain met with the regulators. McCain, his family and baby-sitter made at least nine trips at Keating's expense, sometimes aboard the American Continental jet. After learning Keating was in trouble over Lincoln, McCain paid for the air trips totaling $13,433.

The five senators came under investigation for attempting to influence the regulators. In the end, none of the senators were convicted of any crime, although McCain was rebuked by the Senate Ethics Committee for exercising "poor judgment" for intervening with the federal regulators on behalf of Keating. The other four members of this group were
Alan Cranston (D-CA); Dennis DeConcini (D-AZ); John Glenn (D-OH);
and Donald W. Riegle, Jr. (D-MI).

Now this would not be his first partnership with members from the other side of the aisle.

In 1994 the Senate passed a resolution, sponsored by Kerry and McCain, that called for an end to the existing trade embargo against Vietnam; it was intended to pave the way for normalization. During his time on the committee and afterward, McCain was vilified as a fraud, traitor, or "Manchurian Candidate" by some POW/MIA activists who believed that there were large numbers of American servicemen still being held against their will in Southeast Asia.

He was instrumental in pushing through approval of the Line Item Veto Act of 1996, which gave the president the power to veto individual items of pork. the
U.S. Supreme Court ruled the act unconstitutional in 1998.

McCain used his chairmanship to take on the tobacco industry in 1998, proposing legislation that would increase cigarette taxes in order to fund anti-smoking campaigns and reduce the number of teenage smokers, increase research money on health studies, and help states pay for smoking-related health care costs.


With no love lost between them, McCain began 2001 by breaking against the new George W. Bush administration on a number of matters. In January 2001 the latest iteration of McCain-Feingold was introduced into the Senate; it was opposed by Bush and most of the Republican establishment, but helped by the 2000 election results, it passed the Senate in one form until procedural obstacles delayed it again.


In these few months McCain also opposed Bush on an HMO reform bill, on climate change measures, and on gun legislation. Then in May 2001, McCain voted against the Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001,

After the September 11, 2001 attacks, McCain became a supporter of Bush and an advocate for strong military measures against those responsible with respect to the U.S.-led war in Afghanistan.

He and Democratic Senator Joe Lieberman wrote the legislation that created the 9/11 Commission, while he and Democratic Senator Fritz Hollings co-sponsored the Aviation and Transportation Security Act that federalized airport security under what became the Transportation Security Administration

McCain stated that Iraq was "a clear and present danger to the United States of America."Accordingly he voted for the Iraq War Resolution in October 2002

Working with Democratic Senator Ted Kennedy, McCain was a strong proponent of comprehensive immigration reform, which would involve legalization, guest worker programs, and border enforcement components: the Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act was never voted on in 2005, while the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2006
passed the Senate in May 2006 but then failed in the House. IT WAS AMNESTY


In the Spring of 2005 McCain again led the republican side in the "Gang of 14" a collaberation of moderates from both sides of the aisle. At the time, The Republicans held both houses and were having difficulty getting an up or down vote on the Presidents nominees. The democrats were taking up time trying to get a fillibuster to prvent the votes from taking place. McCain (r) and Nelson (d) along with 6 other democrats and 6 republicans came to an agreement. The democrats would go against the fillibuster to allow the votes to take place. The republicans agreed to go against Majority Leader Frist who was
the time threatening to use the so called " nuclear" option. ie: calling for a vote to end the fillibusters ( which would have been won by the republicans because of their majority) It was felt as McCain had stabbed his party in the back once again because this move was the key to the republicans losing 2 republican members handing control of the senate to the democrats . One little thing........ this agreement ended in 2006. So now that the democrats were in power, they did not have to adhere to the same restrictions that McCain
his group had promised.

Side note , I am looking for a book on the" Great Moderates in history", Anyone ever read that book?" Back to our story.

After the November 7, 2006 election where Democrats picked up six
additional senate seats, President Bush again renominated the six candidates whose nominations had been sent back to him in September.
The judiciary committee chairman, Senator Specter, however, said that he would not process these nominees during the lame duck session of the 109th Congress . At the beginning of the 110th Congress, President Bush did not renominate Boyle, Myers and Haynes.

Since the Democrats now control the 110th Congress, the need for the Gang of 14 had been greatly diminished. As the new majority, the Democrats can easily block any conservative judicial nominee they wish without resorting to the filibuster. Conservative appellate nominees can be blocked in committee, and conservative nominees to the Supreme Court can be voted down in the full Senate


McCain has had a history of sponsoring bills mainly with those on the democratic side. Kerry, Feingold, Kennedy. He was part of the Keating 5 along with 4 other democrats in being held with ethical violations, and the gang of 14 which basically gave control of the senate back to the democrats

Please take not that if you wish to check out his voting record it is easy, unfortunately he registered a" non vote" over 75% of the time in 2007. IMO so no one could hold him accoutable for his positions when he ran for President. He was basically a "no show".


This is not only applicable to McCain but also to Obama who we will cover next.

While claiming to be a Reagan Conservative certainly his actions are in direct opposition to that statement.

What do you think? Any thoughts additions or omissions?

[lexsooner]

McCain's handling of the financial crisis can reasonably described as a lowlight, perhaps even a bit bizarre. He initially stated our financial fundamentals are sound, then soon afterwards, said the head of Treasury and SEC should be fired. He then waited about a week into the crisis to declare this matter a grave crisis which justified him going to D.C. to find a solution, thus suspending his campaign and the debates, and he challenged Obama to do the same. He then went winging off to D.C. after the now-stalled compromise bill had largely been hammered out. Upon arriving to D.C., he went to the late night meeting with Bush and Obama and apparently said very little. Nor do we currently know how he stands on the compromise bill or the GOP alternative. At this moment, we also have no idea if he is going to show up in Mississippi for the debate, or whether Obama will do a stand-alone town hall. It's all really weird, IMHO.

[SoonerProphet]

McCain's handling of the financial crisis can reasonably described as a lowlight, perhaps even a bit bizarre. He initially stated our financial fundamentals are sound, then soon afterwards, said the head of Treasury and SEC should be fired. He then waited about a week into the crisis to declare this matter a grave crisis which justified him going to D.C. to find a solution, thus suspending his campaign and the debates, and he challenged Obama to do the same. He then went winging off to D.C. after the now-stalled compromise bill had largely been hammered out. Upon arriving to D.C., he went to the late night meeting with Bush and Obama and apparently said very little. Nor do we currently know how he stands on the compromise bill or the GOP alternative. At this moment, we also have no idea if he is going to show up in Mississippi for the debate, or whether Obama will do a stand-alone town hall. It's all really weird, IMHO.

It seems he is a bit unhinged.

[85Sooner]

It seems he is a bit unhinged.

They all are. From what I have heard of "the" meeting. Tempers got pretty hot. McCain sat back and listened, Obama was trying to control the meeting. Which kinda urked the dems legislators.

[SoonerProphet]

They all are.

Could not agree more with this statement. Typical for politicians inside the beltway and their media mouthpieces.

[Big Red Ron]

...Does anybody really know what Obama stands for ???
In a nutshell, Obama stands for (His own words) bigger government, higher taxes and a reduction in military spending. Oh and he'll talk to communist and despotic leaders around the world.

Too be fair, McCain is about the same except, he's actually done things that can be looked at as evidence to what he says.

[SoonerProphet]

Seems to me a reduction in spending is on its way, whether these ****sticks realize or not.

[Big Red Ron]

Seems to me a reduction in spending is on its way, whether these ****sticks realize or not.
You would think. especially after the 700 Bil bailout. I'm sure it'll be used as a reason to raise taxes again though. bleh.

[SoonerProphet]

You would think. especially after the 700 Bil bailout. I'm sure it'll be used as a reason to raise taxes again though. bleh.

I will go Randy Weaver if these folks push me!!:D

[JohnnyMack]

They all are. From what I have heard of "the" meeting. Tempers got pretty hot. McCain sat back and listened, Obama was trying to control the meeting. Which kinda urked the dems legislators.

I'll ask again why these two need to be inserted into this process? Neither one of these guys serves on any sort of banking committee so wtf business do either one of them have mucking this up? And if JSM just had to ride to Warshington on his great white horse to save the day, why did he attend the photo op...err...meeting and not say anything? Why is he already on his way to Miss.? McCain is the one playing politics here. He's got about as much business being involved in these negotiations as I do performing open heart surgery.

[Penguin]

...Does anybody really know what Obama stands for ???


Free beer and cheap hookers.


And presidential pardons for all flightless birds.

[JohnnyMack]

Free beer and cheap hookers.


And presidential pardons for all flightless birds.

IN!

Except for the pardon part.

[SleestakSooner]

Let's remember, Obama was asked to show up by GWB. He was going to go on about his business while monitoring the situation through his connections in D.C. and planned to show up there only if his vote was needed to decide the outcome.

From what I have seen reported from the White House, Obama tried to salvage the talks when they stalled and the repubs announced their sudden objections to the reworked Paulson bail out plan. The ideas which the republicans proposed were dismissed out of hand by Paulson as not having a chance in hell of working.

I just love those folks that sport the anti-Obama icons but not the pro-McCain ones. IMO this is worse than someone who supports Obama, can't tell you exactly why but at least shows some respect for his opponent. Most conservatives could not stand McCain (ie; Limbaugh, Hannity, OReilly...) but now are suddenly his biggest fan. More importantly they all hate Obama because he is a baby murdering muslim anti-American. None of which are even remotely true smears and lies. And it is these pundits that claim Obama supporters can't tell you why they support him other than the fact that he is not a Bush clone. They are all hypocrites and disingenuous liars.

I don't know why Johnny Mack or anyone would bother trying to get Oklahomans to think logically about these things. I mean look at the morons we keep electing (Inhofe comes to mind) in the name of remaining true to our beloved conservative family values.

I personally support the Constitution of the United States of America. Because I feel that in the last twenty years (that includes Clinton) our presidents have worked to steadily erode the principles of that sacred document to the American way of life and the liberties we should all hold dear, I will vote for Obama.

The suspension of habeas corpus and losses of privacy are two of the most visible changes, especially since 9/11.

Barack Obama was a professor for 12 years who taught constitutional law before he began his political career. I feel he is best suited to restore the constitutional rights that Bush/Cheney/Rove and others have worked so hard to corrupt. At least he knows what the constitution says and how it was meant to be enacted.

[85Sooner]

I'll ask again why these two need to be inserted into this process? Neither one of these guys serves on any sort of banking committee so wtf business do either one of them have mucking this up? And if JSM just had to ride to Warshington on his great white horse to save the day, why did he attend the photo op...err...meeting and not say anything? Why is he already on his way to Miss.? McCain is the one playing politics here. He's got about as much business being involved in these negotiations as I do performing open heart surgery.

From what I have heard from a friend inside is that now it is all about who is going to get what credit and whos not. Sadly

[JohnnyMack]

From what I have heard from a friend inside is that now it is all about who is going to get what credit and whos not. Sadly

BRR?

:D

[Jimminy Crimson]

Thus he was thrust into competeing agains republican Primary winner Jack Ryan. Ryan withdrew from the race with three months to go due to allegations of sexual discretions (he was a swinger) revealed in his divorce records from the hollywood star Jeri Ryan of Star Trek and Shark fame.

Jack Ryan would have been a much better senator than BO. I have a Ryan campaign shirt somewhere...

[Big Red Ron]

BRR?

:D
Ya know what's really funny? I do have a couple of friends in the White House.

[pergdaddy]

I do not know what either candidate stands for. I thought I knew than I've heard them both say things to the contrary.

It seems that Obama is going to cut taxes (HOW IN THE HELL CAN YOU DO THAT WITH OUR DEFICIT AT THE LEVEL ITS AT?), less spending (Uh, yea, I believe that coming from a politician), national health care (Which will never work in this country) and free muslim doo rags (well, not really, gotta throw a bone to the idiots who will believe anything).

Joe Biden doesn't believe in building coal plants. Wants them built in China where the air quality is already bad. I believe that was his point, but I'm not entirely sure.

John McCain believes in whatever the GOP wants him to, so he can get elected.

Sarah Palin believes that God made Russia so that she had something to look at out of her house OR something like that.

Seriously, I'm neither convinced nor motivated as an American by any of them. I've heard no solutions, only bickering.

Less government spending.
Lower middle class taxes.
Rework free trade agreements.
Do not bail out publicly traded companies who cannot get their own houses in order.
Level military spending. Cannot cut back here, but don't overdo it.
DO NOT TOUCH ROE V. WADE.
Put some liberals on Supreme COurt when some retire. There are already enough conservatives. The Supreme Court should be balanced.
Make oil companies use the leased land they already own drill on it. And get alternative energy plan in place NOW.
Withdraw troops from Iraq as soon as possible while leaving some kind of structure in place. Make them take care of their own country now that they have freedom.
Develop talks with "axis of evil" under strict conditions. We must talk to them (specifically Iran and North Korea). I don't like it but foreign policy sucks right now and needs altered. There is a reason Iran and North Korea are doing what they are doing. (now chavez down there in venezuela, I'd level his ***).
ANd last but not least, make Mike Brown sell the Cincinnati Bengals. I'm sick and damn tired of 17 losing season in a row. Maybe make him Ambassador to Thailand or something.

BTW, i'm not political expert. Some of my ideas might be wrong or bad. I apologize in advance.

[pergdaddy]

Oh and propose Constitutional Amendment banning Lawyers from running from office.

I blame them for trying to be cute with the law while fattening their pockets.

We need more sewer workers, fisherman, cops, doctors, business owners, contractors and garbage men in Congress.

[NormanPride]

Yeah, I still don't like either of them. :(

[TexasLidig8r]

Oh and propose Constitutional Amendment banning Lawyers from running from office.

I

:mad:

[SicEmBaylor]

Oh and propose Constitutional Amendment banning Lawyers from running from office.

I blame them for trying to be cute with the law while fattening their pockets.

We need more sewer workers, fisherman, cops, doctors, business owners, contractors and garbage men in Congress.

You must belong to the pitchfork and torch brigade.

[NormanPride]

pitchfork + torch > subpoena + deposition

[pergdaddy]

Lid,
just the lawyers that are already there.

Let's start over with some good ones. I'm assuming you are. You shall be appointed.

[Animal Mother]

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What?? Oh yeah!


Objectivity is subjective.

I'd like to know in advance. What are you whiney conservatives going to whine about after the election regardless of which candidate wins? I want to have time to copy and paste my opinions from Mother Jones magazine just as you c&p from The American Conservative.:rolleyes:

[SicEmBaylor]

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What?? Oh yeah!


Objectivity is subjective.

I'd like to know in advance. What are you whiney conservatives going to whine about after the election regardless of which candidate wins? I want to have time to copy and paste my opinions from Mother Jones magazine just as you c&p from The American Conservative.:rolleyes:

lol, The American Conservative? I read TAC like it were the Bible, but 99% of mainstream conservatives have probably never heard of it and certainly don't adhere to its currently unorthodox ideology. In fact, TAC is sort of magazine non grata in conservative circles these days.

You'd have done your point more service by replacing The American Conservative with the Weekly Standard.

[Animal Mother]

lol, The American Conservative? I read TAC like it were the Bible, but 99% of mainstream conservatives have probably never heard of it and certainly don't adhere to its currently unorthodox ideology. In fact, TAC is sort of magazine non grata in conservative circles these days.

You'd have done your point more service by replacing The American Conservative with the Weekly Standard.

Even when I use those ghey emoticons people don't pay attention. :D