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Civicus_Sooner
9/8/2008, 10:30 AM
By Brian Stelter/The New York Times ~ MSNBC tried a bold experiment this year by putting two politically incendiary hosts, Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews, in the anchor chair to lead the cable news channel’s coverage of the election.
Network Meltdown Sends Palin Attackers To The Sidelines

That experiment appears to be over.

After months of accusations of political bias and simmering animosity between MSNBC and its parent network NBC, the channel decided over the weekend that the NBC News correspondent and MSNBC host David Gregory would anchor news coverage of the coming debates and election night. Mr. Olbermann and Mr. Matthews will remain as analysts during the coverage.

The change — which comes in the home stretch of the long election cycle — is a direct result of tensions associated with the channel’s perceived shift to the political left.
“The most disappointing shift is to see the partisan attitude move from prime time into what’s supposed to be straight news programming,” said Davidson Goldin, formerly the editorial director of MSNBC and a co-founder of the reputation management firm DolceGoldin.
Executives at the channel’s parent company, NBC Universal, had high hopes for MSNBC’s coverage of the political conventions. Instead, the coverage frequently descended into on-air squabbles between the anchors, embarrassing some workers at NBC’s news division, and quite possibly alienating viewers.

Although MSNBC nearly doubled its total audience compared with the 2004 conventions, its competitive position did not improve, as it remained in last place among the broadcast and cable news networks. In prime time, the channel averaged 2.2 million viewers during the Democratic convention and 1.7 million viewers during the Republican convention.

The success of the Fox News Channel in the past decade along with the growth of political blogs have convinced many media companies that provocative commentary attracts viewers and lures Web browsers more than straight news delivered dispassionately.
“In a rapidly changing media environment, this is the great philosophical debate,” Phil Griffin, the president of MSNBC, said in a telephone interview Saturday.

Fighting the ratings game, he added, “the bottom line is that we’re experiencing incredible success.”
But as the past two weeks have shown, that success has a downside. When the vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin lamented media bias during her speech, attendees of the Republican convention loudly chanted “NBC.”

In interviews, 10 current and former staff members said that long-simmering tensions between MSNBC and NBC reached a boiling point during the conventions.
“MSNBC is behaving like a heroin addict,” one senior staff member observed. “They’re living from fix to fix and swearing they’ll go into rehab the next week.”

The employee, like others, spoke on condition of anonymity because the network does not permit its people to speak to the media without authorization. (The New York Times and NBC News have a content-sharing arrangement exclusively for political coverage.)

Mr. Olbermann, a 49-year-old former sportscaster, has become the face of the more aggressive MSNBC, and the lightning rod for much of the criticism. His program “Countdown,” now a liberal institution, was created by Mr. Olbermann in 2003 but it found its voice in his gnawing dissent regarding the Bush administration, often in the form of “special comment” segments.

As Mr. Olbermann raised his voice, his ratings rose as well, and he now reaches more than one million viewers a night, a higher television rating than any other show in the troubled 12-year history of the network. As a result, his identity largely defines MSNBC.
“They have banked the entirety of the network on Keith Olbermann,” one employee said.

In January, Mr. Olbermann and Mr. Matthews, the host of “Hardball,” began co-anchoring primary night coverage, drawing an audience that enjoyed the pair’s “SportsCenter”-style show. While some critics argued that the assignment was akin to having the Fox News commentator Bill O’Reilly anchor on election night — something that has never happened — MSNBC insisted that Mr. Olbermann knew the difference between news and commentary.

But in the past two weeks, that line has been blurred. On the final night of the Republican convention, after MSNBC televised the party’s video “tribute to the victims of 9/11,” including graphic footage of the World Trade Center attacks, Mr. Olbermann abruptly took off his journalistic hat. “I’m sorry, it’s necessary to say this,” he began. After saying that the video had exploited the memories of the dead, he directly apologized to viewers who were offended. Then, sounding like a network executive, he said it was “probably not appropriate to be shown.”

In an interview on Sunday, Mr. Olbermann said that moment — and the perception that he is “not utterly neutral” — restarted months-old conversations about his role on political nights.
“I found it ironic and instructive that I could have easily said exactly what I did say, exactly when I did say it, if I had been wearing a different hat, and nobody would have taken any issue,” he said.
“Countdown” will still be shown before the three fall debates and a second edition will be shown sometime afterwards, following the program anchored by Mr. Gregory.

The change casts new doubt on what some staff members believe is an effective programming strategy: prime-time talk of a liberal sort. A like-minded talk show will now follow “Countdown” at 9 p.m.: “The Rachel Maddow Show,” hosted by the liberal radio host, begins Monday. Mr. Griffin, MSNBC’s president, denies that it has an ideology. “I think ideology means we think one way, and we don’t,” he said. Rather than label MSNBC’s prime time as left-leaning, he says it has passion and point of view.

But MSNBC is the cable arm of NBC News, the dispassionate news division of NBC Universal. MSNBC, “Today” and “NBC Nightly News” share some staff members, workspace and content. And some critics are claiming they also share a political affiliation.

The McCain campaign has filed letters of complaint to the news division about its coverage and openly tied MSNBC to it.
Tension between the network and the campaign hit an apex the day Mr. McCain announced Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate. MSNBC had reported Friday morning that Ms. Palin’s plane was enroute to the announcement and she was likely the pick. But McCain campaign officials warned the network off, with one official going so far as to say that all of the candidates on the short list were on their way — which MSNBC then reported. “The fact that it was reported in real time was very embarrassing,” said a senior MSNBC official. “We were told, ‘No, it’s not Sarah Palin and you don’t know who it is.’"
Tom Brokaw and Brian Williams, the past and present anchors of “NBC Nightly News,” have told friends and colleagues that they are finding it tougher and tougher to defend the cable arm of the news division, even while they anchored daytime hours of convention coverage on MSNBC and contributed commentary each evening.

Mr. Williams did not respond to a request for comment and Mr. Brokaw declined to comment. At a panel discussion in Denver, Mr. Brokaw acknowledged that Mr. Olbermann and Mr. Matthews had “gone too far” at times, but emphasized they were “not the only voices” on MSNBC, according to The Washington Post. Al Hunt, the executive Washington bureau chief of Bloomberg News, said that the entire news division was being singled out by Republicans because of the work of partisans like Mr. Olbermann. “To go and tar the whole news network and Brokaw and Mitchell is grossly unfair,” he said, referring to the NBC correspondent Andrea Mitchell.

Some tensions have spilled out on-screen. On the first night in Denver, as the fellow MSNBC host Joe Scarborough talked about the resurgence of the McCain campaign, Mr. Olbermann dismissed it by saying: “Jesus, Joe, why don’t you get a shovel?”
The following night, Mr. Olbermann and his co-anchor for convention coverage, Mr. Matthews, had their own squabble after Mr. Olbermann observed that Mr. Matthews had talked too long.

Some staff members said the tension led to the network’s decision to keep Mr. Olbermann in New York for the Republican convention, after he ran the desk in Denver during the Democratic convention. MSNBC said that he stayed in New York to anchor coverage of Hurricane Gustav. But some workers say there were other reasons — namely, that Mr. Olbermann was concerned about his safety in St. Paul, given the loud crowds at MSNBC’s set in Denver.
NBC Universal executives are also known to be concerned about the perception that MSNBC’s partisan tilt in prime time is bleeding into the rest of the programming day.

On a recent Friday afternoon, a graphic labeled “Breaking News” asked: “How many houses does Palin add to the Republican ticket?” Mr. Griffin called the graphic “an embarrassment.”

Civicus_Sooner
9/8/2008, 10:37 AM
While some critics argued that the assignment was akin to having the Fox News commentator Bill O’Reilly anchor on election night — something that has never happened — MSNBC insisted that Mr. Olbermann knew the difference between news and commentary.

Wow

Mixer!
9/8/2008, 10:44 AM
Heh, the damage is already done, so... thanks? :pop:

Civicus_Sooner
9/8/2008, 10:45 AM
Oberman should stick with sports, the guy just isn't very bright as it relates to politics anyway.

soonerscuba
9/8/2008, 11:10 AM
I would say anybody who watches cable news, regardless of affiliation, doesn't have the authority to talk down to anybody about politics.

Civicus_Sooner
9/8/2008, 11:26 AM
I would say anybody who watches cable news, regardless of affiliation, doesn't have the authority to talk down to anybody about politics.Meh, there's no difference in network news and cable news IMO. It's the editorial shows that are worthless, "Hardball," "Crossfire," "Hanity and Colmbes," "the Bill O'Riley show," Countdown with Keith Oberman".

However, each cable channel has a regular news cast, those accross the board are equal to or better than say, News with Katie Kuric" or ABC news, etc..

My favorite "political" show is "The Mclaughlin group."

Civicus_Sooner
9/8/2008, 11:27 AM
I would say anybody who watches cable news, regardless of affiliation, doesn't have the authority to talk down to anybody about politics.
It's the straight news on cable that is legit. That's why MSNBC is getting slapped on the wrist here, they had their biast hack's acting as anchors.

Mandibleclaw
9/8/2008, 11:34 AM
I agree that MSNBC was biased but I thought it was a alternative to the bias of FOX news.

Sooner Eclipse
9/8/2008, 11:39 AM
I agree that MSNBC was biased but I thought it was a alternative to the bias of FOX news.

Well, when fox starts using Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity as news anchors then I will agree with you. As it is, msNbc tries to use their hacks as news anchors, something that FOX does not do. The news is reported as straight news on FOX and their opinion shows are kept separate.

Civicus_Sooner
9/8/2008, 11:50 AM
I agree that MSNBC was biased but I thought it was a alternative to the bias of FOX news.FOX's regular new coverage isn't biast, as a matter of fact you can read in the story above how what MSNBC did was exactly what FOX doesn't do, which is let their editorial guys run the news desk.

Also, remember FOX was created because network news with the likes of, "Dan Rather and Tom Brokaw." as "impartial reporters of the news had become so liberally slanted it opened the door to a new network.

Sure Fox has O'Riley and Hanity but they also have Gretta Vansestran and Heraldo Rivera (hardly Republicans).

Also, I've seen that their news guys, Britt Hume, Sheppard Smith and Niel Cavuto are very balanced in their coverage.

Mainstream media like to say that all FOX is is a conservative channel but that's just because they actually report the things that other networks don't. Which is BOTH sides, not just what the New York Time puts out there.

Jimminy Crimson
9/8/2008, 11:53 AM
Olberman is a d-rocket.

GrapevineSooner
9/8/2008, 12:00 PM
I think another poster a long time ago suggested it, but I can't pin down exactly who it was. TD perhaps?

Anyway, their suggestion was news organizations should admit their bias up front. That way, the viewer knows which angle the news is being tinted with and therefore can make heads or tails on how valid the news coming from that organization really is.

I couldn't agree more with that sentiment.

r5TPsooner
9/8/2008, 12:01 PM
Olberman is a d-rocket.

If you mean dick rocket then agree.

badger
9/8/2008, 12:06 PM
Looking at the arguments again on YouTube (which I won't do right now, one time was enough, thank ya very much), Olbermann was very much a bully and an antagonist toward his co-workers and the others played off his lead. The only thing that MSNBC gained as far as coverage goes was appearances on The Daily Show and The Colbert Report (which is how I found out about their bickering in the first place). It didn't make me want to watch their news show any more than any other. When you have three major options in convention coverage (Fox, CNN, MSNBC), I don't think a 10-minute argument followed up by an on-screen hug would persuade people not to change the channel. What was I watching anyways?! Good Morning America? (err, wait, this is NBC... THE TODAY SHOW?!)

To suggest that people cannot be biased, even media people, is ridiculous. Everyone has their own biases and until we have robots speaking our news to us, we are going to continue seeing people roll eyes, smirk, look skeptical, laugh, and other human-like mannerisms even in the most teleprompted, scripted coverage.

Mandibleclaw
9/8/2008, 12:08 PM
I basically agree with MSNBC's move, editorializing integration of the news should be avoided for the integrity of the network.

tommieharris91
9/8/2008, 12:12 PM
You should see the list of Olbermann's guests on his show since 2006. Over 100 Democrats and only 5 Republicans.

Civicus_Sooner
9/8/2008, 12:34 PM
You should see the list of Olbermann's guests on his show since 2006. Over 100 Democrats and only 5 Republicans.
Wow, tha makes Bill O'Riley seem almost fair and balance. ;)

badger
9/8/2008, 12:48 PM
You should see the list of Olbermann's guests on his show since 2006. Over 100 Democrats and only 5 Republicans.

Do Republicans usually make TV appearances, though? I mean, look at Fox News! Even THEY probably don't have a majority Republican guests! (Ann Coulter making her daily Hannity/Colmes appearance does NOT count). Sure they have Tom Coburn on, but they also have Al Sharpton (he is always funny on that station).

If you look at other programs, think of how often you see a Republican on a late night talk show, or Oprah, or the Daily Show, or the View or something. Sure, it happens, but only occasionally, and it usually takes a particular type of Republican to step up to make those appearances. John McCain, for example, will appear on any show he d@mn well feels like :D including Ellen :eek: and the Daily Show :) and is probably already making plans to appear on the View, if he hasn't already :confused:

Most Republicans are tight-lipped. They're probably afraid that as soon as they let down their guard, they'll start asking about Jack Abramoff or something :D

badger
9/8/2008, 03:08 PM
So... Olbermann fired now? :confused:

SteelPanz
9/8/2008, 03:55 PM
He does the same thing on SNFiA

Civicus_Sooner
9/8/2008, 03:56 PM
So... Olbermann fired now? :confused:I think he'll keep his opinion show but he'll not be acting as an impartial new anchor anymore.

picasso
9/8/2008, 05:23 PM
Olberman is a d-rocket.

SPek!!!!

Animal Mother
9/9/2008, 12:17 PM
Oberman should stick with sports, the guy just isn't very bright as it relates to politics anyway.

Translation = He disagrees with your viewpoint.

Animal Mother
9/9/2008, 12:21 PM
Translation = He disagrees with your viewpoint.

I meant to put a question mark at the end not a period.

C&CDean
9/9/2008, 12:25 PM
Translation = He disagrees with your viewpoint.

Well, yeah. You disagree with my point/s and you think I'm a d-rocket, and I disagree with your points and I think you're a d-nozzle. DOH.

Animal Mother
9/9/2008, 01:09 PM
Well, yeah. You disagree with my point/s and you think I'm a d-rocket, and I disagree with your points and I think you're a d-nozzle. DOH.

Ladies and gentlemen. My troll has arrived.

Did you bother to read the post where I said I omitted the question mark or were you to busy getting all alphaed up? Is that a word? I don't know how he feels about things so I was asking. Or are you saying that leaving off the question mark was a Freudian slip? Or are you just saying you think I'm a d-rocket? Don't answer that Dean.

soonervegas
9/9/2008, 01:49 PM
What I need right now is a terrorist fist bump.

OklahomaTuba
9/9/2008, 02:45 PM
Just change the channel.

Civicus_Sooner
9/9/2008, 03:17 PM
Translation = He disagrees with your viewpoint.
I've watched him a few times and he doesn't seem to have a very good handle on how politics/government/elections work. He's a cue card/telepromtor reader with no real insight.

I don't agree with Chris Mathews very often but at least he knows his stuff.

Jerk
9/9/2008, 06:53 PM
To suggest that people cannot be biased, even media people, is ridiculous. Everyone has their own biases and until we have robots speaking our news to us, we are going to continue seeing people roll eyes, smirk, look skeptical, laugh, and other human-like mannerisms even in the most teleprompted, scripted coverage.

No one complains about bias. As long as a network is up-front about where they stand, then they can say and do whatever.

The problem people have is when a network reports news on the pretension of being objective, when they are not.

Big Red Ron
9/9/2008, 08:04 PM
No one complains about bias. As long as a network is up-front about where they stand, then they can say and do whatever.

The problem people have is when a network reports news on the pretension of being objective, when they are not.
Which is exactly what Tom Brokaw, Peter Jennings and Dan Rather did. Without those three and the New York Times' blatant disregard for journalistic integrity, there wouldn't be any Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Riley and Sean Hannity. That's a fact.

Jerk
9/9/2008, 08:19 PM
Which is exactly what Tom Brokaw, Peter Jennings and Dan Rather did. Without those three and the New York Times' blatant disregard for journalistic integrity, there wouldn't be any Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Riley and Sean Hannity. That's a fact.


I was just about to spek you for that, but....DOH!

Big Red Ron
9/9/2008, 09:23 PM
I was just about to spek you for that, but....DOH!
It's all good, I woulda skekked yours too. (NTTIAWWI). :D

Big Red Ron
9/9/2008, 09:57 PM
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Curly Bill
9/9/2008, 10:06 PM
Ladies and gentlemen. My troll has arrived.


Trolls are the flavor of the month around here.