WOW, Palin's speech watched by 37.2 million viewers [Archive]

Big Red Ron

9/4/2008, 03:21 PM

Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's highly anticipated speech at the Republican National Convention on Wednesday night nearly matched the record-setting numbers of Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama.

Palin pulled in 37.2 million viewers across broadcast and cable networks, according to Nielsen Media Research.

That's 55% higher than Day 3 of the DNC, when her Democratic counterpart, Joe Biden, and President Clinton took the stage (24 million). It's also up a sharp 99% from the Republican convention's third day in 2004 (18.7 million).

In fact, it came close to upsetting Obama's historic address on Thursday -- the most-watched convention speech in history (38.4 million viewers).

http://wwwtmrcom.blogspot.com/

KC//CRIMSON

9/4/2008, 03:22 PM

wow

Scott D

9/4/2008, 03:23 PM

anyone who didn't watch it on CSpan, but instead chose to watch it on a leaning joke of a network isn't worth being allowed to vote.

Okla-homey

9/4/2008, 03:23 PM

Veritas

9/4/2008, 03:24 PM

anyone who didn't watch it on CSpan, but instead chose to watch it on a leaning joke of a network isn't worth being allowed to vote.
CSpan here. I didn't want to hear any ****ing retarded partisan commentary from either side of the fence.

JohnnyMack

9/4/2008, 03:25 PM

The world was introduced to a future POTUS last night. Book it.

The sad thing is you'd be saying the same thing if it had been Pawlenty, Thune, Jindal or any other young conservative.

Rah! Rah!

Scott D

9/4/2008, 03:26 PM

CSpan here. I didn't want to hear any ****ing retarded partisan commentary from either side of the fence.

actually I'd like to go a step further. Those people should be shot so they can no longer be afforded the opportunity to procreate. Have enough empty skulls running through this world as it is.

C&CDean

9/4/2008, 03:27 PM

The sad thing is you'd be saying the same thing if it had been Pawlenty, Thune, Jindal or any other young conservative.

Rah! Rah!

Wrong again Obamaboy.

This broad has something none of them have (besides tits and a vajajay). And it's flat out killing you, ain't it? She's got it going on - in a big, BIG way, and you commie ****wads are all twisted up over it. Know what I say? Good. Know what else I say? Homey is dead.spot.on. She will be the CIC some day. Take it straight to the house.

Veritas

9/4/2008, 03:31 PM

Mack, you're pissed because what you felt last night was Obama losing the election.

(Bookmark this post so you can rail on me if I'm wrong. I'd do the same to you. :) )

Okla-homey

9/4/2008, 03:32 PM

The sad thing is you'd be saying the same thing if it had been Pawlenty, Thune, Jindal or any other young conservative.

Rah! Rah!

You forget, I picked her weeks ago.

JohnnyMack

9/4/2008, 03:33 PM

Wrong again Obamaboy.

This broad has something none of them have (besides tits and a vajajay). And it's flat out killing you, ain't it? She's got it going on - in a big, BIG way, and you commie ****wads are all twisted up over it. Know what I say? Good. Know what else I say? Homey is dead.spot.on. She will be the CIC some day. Take it straight to the house.

Lemme know if they've changed the rules pertaining to the electoral college since she was announced as the VP pick. "Energizing the base" is so ****ing stupid but you can't see it. So McCain will win Oklahoma by 400,000 votes instead of 300,000 votes. Big ****ing deal. You wanna call me out for supporting BHO, but your support of this woman is even more insane.

KC//CRIMSON

9/4/2008, 03:34 PM

37 million. That's like twice as many as "Deal or No Deal"

achiro

9/4/2008, 03:38 PM

JohnnyMack

9/4/2008, 03:40 PM

It's not about the base in OK. It's about Ohio, PA, Virginia, Florida, etc, etc. The "swing states" Ignoring the reality won't make it go away.

As far as his support being more insane, why? Because she actually has done things she said she was going to do?

You and I, as usual :D, disagree about how effective she'll be on the east coast & rust belt swing states.

SicEmBaylor

9/4/2008, 03:40 PM

anyone who didn't watch it on CSpan, but instead chose to watch it on a leaning joke of a network isn't worth being allowed to vote.
I agree.

C&CDean

9/4/2008, 03:41 PM

Lemme know if they've changed the rules pertaining to the electoral college since she was announced as the VP pick. "Energizing the base" is so ****ing stupid but you can't see it. So McCain will win Oklahoma by 400,000 votes instead of 300,000 votes. Big ****ing deal. You wanna call me out for supporting BHO, but your support of this woman is even more insane.

-sigh-

I support this woman because she a) mirrors my opinions damned near exactly, b) is a damned fine speaker (again, you lefties biggest knock on GWB over the years), c) has a little something extra - call it intangibles - that nobody has had in politics since Ronald Reagan, d) is a conservative, and e) doesn't fit the mold of the average politician at all.

I don't call you out for supporting Brack, I call you completely out of touch with anything even similar to reality for supporting him.

And you and your other commies can sit and talk "the base" all you want. How much you wanna bet a buttload of women with "D" next to their names privately punch their ticket for McCain/Palin? In big cities, little towns, and everywhere in between. We'll see come November, won't we?

JohnnyMack

9/4/2008, 03:42 PM

-sigh-

I support this woman because she a) mirrors my opinions damned near exactly, b) is a damned fine speaker (again, you lefties biggest knock on GWB over the years), c) has a little something extra - call it intangibles - that nobody has had in politics since Ronald Reagan, d) is a conservative, and e) doesn't fit the mold of the average politician at all.

I don't call you out for supporting Brack, I call you completely out of touch with anything even similar to reality for supporting him.

And you and your other commies can sit and talk "the base" all you want. How much you wanna bet a buttload of women with "D" next to their names privately punch their ticket for McCain/Palin? In big cities, little towns, and everywhere in between. We'll see come November, won't we?

You make my head hurt.

Scott D

9/4/2008, 03:42 PM

I agree.

you don't agree. You think the fate of America should be decided by 17 people carefully selected by Price Waterhouse whose names are kept in a jar under the porch of olevet.

SicEmBaylor

9/4/2008, 03:43 PM

You forget, I picked her weeks ago.

As I recall, you didn't pick her. You said she was someone to look at. A lot of people were saying she was someone to look at.

I don't think that's anywhere near as impressive as my prediction in 2004 that Mitt Romney would be the 2008 GOP nominee. Granted, I was wrong but I wasn't too far off the mark either.

olevetonahill

9/4/2008, 03:43 PM

I agree.

I started watching on i think its Channel 11 outta tulsa. Man they were Layin the smack down from the start . I said **** this . I found it another staition Im assuming it was Cspan and it seemed Like they were more Open to the Speeches.

Scott D

9/4/2008, 03:44 PM

that's because CSpan doesn't have reporters, therefore they have no need to spin any of it right or left. They can just show the process in progress as it should be.

Big Red Ron

9/4/2008, 03:48 PM

37 million. That's like twice as many as "Deal or No Deal"Or just 55% more than watched Biden and Mrs. Pants Suit.

Scott D

9/4/2008, 03:49 PM

they were obviously watching "Deal or No Deal" that night.

C&CDean

9/4/2008, 03:50 PM

You make my head hurt.

I know I do. It hurts to argue with somebody who is right.

KC//CRIMSON

9/4/2008, 04:01 PM

they were obviously watching "Deal or No Deal" that night.

bingo.

Big Red Ron

9/4/2008, 04:13 PM

I know I do. It hurts to argue with somebody who is right.lol

Okla-homey

9/4/2008, 05:02 PM

According to Matt Drudge, the JSM/SHP campaign has money coming in today so fast they can't count it.

Behold the power of a single speech.

Jimminy Crimson

9/4/2008, 05:08 PM

Behold the power of a single speech.

It's just words! ;)

SicEmBaylor

9/4/2008, 05:09 PM

Taxman71

9/4/2008, 05:14 PM

Let's just hope voters tuned to CSPAN after Mitt Romney was done, he didn't help the cause. Huckabee was awesome and Guiliani was very good.

On a side note, watching the RNC this week made me think....where is Dick Cheney? I know they don't want him anywhere near the RNC, but I have not seen or heard from him in years.

JohnnyMack

9/4/2008, 05:15 PM

According to Matt Drudge, the JSM/SHP campaign has money coming in today so fast they can't count it.

Behold the power of a single speech.

Your hypocrisy knows no bounds.

SicEmBaylor

9/4/2008, 05:16 PM

I have not seen or heard from him in years.

Really? He hosted this year's Radio and TV Corespondents Dinner.
He was pretty funny.

Jimminy Crimson

9/4/2008, 05:16 PM

Did anyone else notice this during Palin's speech? It's her daughter Piper fixing the baby's hair.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LF_UVmGSnI&eurl=http://www.baylorfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=155295

Freaking adorable.

Piper is a hoot! She was waving like she was Miss America last night. Hi-lar-i-ous.

olevetonahill

9/4/2008, 05:25 PM

Did anyone else notice this during Palin's speech? It's her daughter Piper fixing the baby's hair.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LF_UVmGSnI&eurl=http://www.baylorfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=155295

Freaking adorable.

Yup we Discussed that on about pg 6 Of the A thread .;)

Harry Beanbag

9/4/2008, 05:39 PM

Did anyone else notice this during Palin's speech? It's her daughter Piper fixing the baby's hair.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LF_UVmGSnI&eurl=http://www.baylorfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=155295

Freaking adorable.

That simple happenstance of the camera being on her and the baby at that moment won McCain a ton of votes.

lexsooner

9/4/2008, 07:25 PM

It's not about the base in OK. It's about Ohio, PA, Virginia, Florida, etc, etc. The "swing states" Ignoring the reality won't make it go away.

As far as his support being more insane, why? Because she actually has done things she said she was going to do?

Absolutely correct. And Obama has a clear edge in the swing states like Minnesota, Michigan, Penn., N.M., Nevada, Iowa, to name some of them, and a clear edge in the overall electoral vote race.

Why is everyone getting so excited over a VP running mate choice? Past elections have always showed the VP selections don't amount to a hill of beans on election day when that lever is pulled. Everyone admits Dan Quayle sucked royally as a choice, but Bush I won the first time around anyway.

Each party always comes out of a convention "energized," "with the momentum," and has "the opponents shaking in their boots." However, if there is a bump, it quickly fades. The only people going beserk are the hard core supporters of that party. The polls will tighten up, but they always do, as they always wax and wane. Still, I expect to hear "It's now a dead heat," we are "energized, momentum, Obama shaking in his boots." So predictable I'm already bored thinking about it.

AlbqSooner

9/4/2008, 07:37 PM

You make my head hurt.

Thanks Dean. Good Jorb

achiro

9/4/2008, 07:46 PM

Absolutely correct. And Obama has a clear edge in the swing states like Minnesota, Michigan, Penn., N.M., Nevada, Iowa, to name some of them, and a clear edge in the overall electoral vote race.

Why is everyone getting so excited over a VP running mate choice? Past elections have always showed the VP selections don't amount to a hill of beans on election day when that lever is pulled. Everyone admits Dan Quayle sucked royally as a choice, but Bush I won the first time around anyway.

Each party always comes out of a convention "energized," "with the momentum," and has "the opponents shaking in their boots." However, if there is a bump, it quickly fades. The only people going beserk are the hard core supporters of that party. The polls will tighten up, but they always do, as they always wax and wane. Still, I expect to hear "It's now a dead heat," we are "energized, momentum, Obama shaking in his boots." So predictable I'm already bored thinking about it.
I am not so sure that you can compare this election to any of the past. You may be right but I think the VP may play more a part in this election.

jkjsooner

9/4/2008, 07:59 PM

The thing is, generally when a pretty woman speaks I buy into whatever she says. I suppose I'm weak that way. Palin definitely has that going for her.

I found her to be very charismatic but her speech was incredibly negative and nasty. I would say 80% of it was blasting democrats rather than explaining/advocating her political beliefs.

I didn't watch the Obama speech so I don't know what tone it took. I know politics is generally a nasty business but I don't like it and I don't care which side does it. They all spin and twist and Palin did plenty of it.

But, then again, I melt when a pretty girl says anything....

JohnnyMack

9/4/2008, 08:00 PM

That simple happenstance of the camera being on her and the baby at that moment won McCain a ton of votes.

That should make you sad to be an American.

Veritas

9/4/2008, 08:35 PM

That should make you sad to be an American.
No, what should sadden you or anyone is the fact that we're inches away from electing a thinly disguised socialist.

Big Red Ron

9/4/2008, 08:47 PM

That should make you sad to be an American.
Something we can agree on. It's like how MTV killed talented but ugly musicians for about a decade.

As to the original thought here, I think it's obviously an overstatement. Palin's record being similarly as thin as Obama's and her ability to drop rhetorical bombs with a steady grin and pretty face is what will seal the deal.

lexsooner

9/4/2008, 09:14 PM

Palin pulled in 37.2 million viewers across broadcast and cable networks, according to Nielsen Media Research.

WOW!!!! That's almost as many Americas who watched the opening of Al Capone's vault and the bottle they found inside!!!!!!! Or the Eight is Enough reunion.

Scott D

9/4/2008, 09:44 PM

no offense, but if we decided things by Nielsen ratings, Jeff Probst would be the president, and Simon Cowell would be Secretary of State. Those ratings are bigger crock of **** than what comes out of a politican's mouth.

tommieharris91

9/4/2008, 09:48 PM

Harry Beanbag

9/5/2008, 07:05 AM

That should make you sad to be an American.

Says the guy supporting the Socialist Utopian with the wife that hates America for President. :rolleyes:

C&CDean

9/5/2008, 09:25 AM

Why is everyone getting so excited over a VP running mate choice? Past elections have always showed the VP selections don't amount to a hill of beans on election day when that lever is pulled. Everyone admits Dan Quayle sucked royally as a choice, but Bush I won the first time around anyway.

Please tell me you aren't comparing Palin to Quayle.

Also, I don't ever remember a veep candidate that is more popular - after a single speech - than her. This ain't our daddy's election anymore.

Scott D

9/5/2008, 09:26 AM

Please tell me you aren't comparing Palin to Quayle.

Also, I don't ever remember a veep candidate that is more popular - after a single speech - than her. This ain't our daddy's election anymore.

well to be fair, after the dinosaur the GOP trotted out the last two elections, a dead cat would have been a more popular veep candidate.

C&CDean

9/5/2008, 09:51 AM

well to be fair, after the dinosaur the GOP trotted out the last two elections, a dead cat would have been a more popular veep candidate.

True. What really sucks right now is that your girl Hillary didn't get the VP call from O'Bro. What I wouldn't give to watch a Hillary/Palin showdown at high noon.

Big Red Ron

9/5/2008, 10:10 AM

True. What really sucks right now is that your girl Hillary didn't get the VP call from O'Bro. What I wouldn't give to watch a Hillary/Palin showdown at high noon.
Oh man, I hadn't thought of that. That one would have been one for the ages.

JohnnyMack

9/5/2008, 10:11 AM

According to Matt Drudge, the JSM/SHP campaign has money coming in today so fast they can't count it.

Behold the power of a single speech.

*coughs*

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26551384/

goodonya

9/5/2008, 10:19 AM

No, what should sadden you or anyone is the fact that we're inches away from electing a thinly disguised socialist.

Veritas, close but he is closer to a dyed-in-the-wool communist. His old drinking buddies are William Ayers (Weatherman co-founder) & Mike Klonsky (former head of the US communist party). With friends like that who needs democracy.

Scott D

9/5/2008, 11:56 AM

True. What really sucks right now is that your girl Hillary didn't get the VP call from O'Bro. What I wouldn't give to watch a Hillary/Palin showdown at high noon.

ok so my calling Cheney a dinosaur means that I give a **** about Hillary. I already said the best thing that could happen to the bitch months ago would have been for those fake Bosnian snipers to have actually scored a BOOM HEADSHOT! on her.

If you want to see a showdown between the two of them, you're the kind of person who'd like to sit impaled on a sharp fencepost while someone scratched their sharp fingernails on a chalkboard in front of you.

Animal Mother

9/5/2008, 12:19 PM

I know I do. It hurts to argue with somebody who is right.

Then stop arguing with Mack Kool-Aid chugger.

Animal Mother

9/5/2008, 12:21 PM

That simple happenstance of the camera being on her and the baby at that moment won McCain a ton of votes.

Yeah that kindergarten demographic won it for Dubya because they had the same I.Q. level.

Animal Mother

9/5/2008, 12:25 PM

Veritas, close but he is closer to a dyed-in-the-wool communist. His old drinking buddies are William Ayers (Weatherman co-founder) & Mike Klonsky (former head of the US communist party). With friends like that who needs democracy.

L I N K !!!!!!!! dykcheis

Harry Beanbag

9/5/2008, 07:14 PM

L I N K !!!!!!!! dykcheis

Seriously? You need a link for this? I've wondered if Barack's supporters actually know about his past and are just ignoring it, or if they have no idea and don't care.

Oh, and nice name calling. Just because you can't spell doesn't mean it's okay.

Harry Beanbag

9/5/2008, 07:15 PM

Yeah that kindergarten demographic won it for Dubya because they had the same I.Q. level.

Yawn. :rolleyes:

Whet

9/5/2008, 08:40 PM

I went. I went so far that I wet my pants. And, yeah, I cried. I didn't know I could still cry.

lexsooner

9/5/2008, 08:59 PM

Seriously? You need a link for this? I've wondered if Barack's supporters actually know about his past and are just ignoring it, or if they have no idea and don't care.

Oh, and nice name calling. Just because you can't spell doesn't mean it's okay.

I did some research, and found he's a MUSLIM, and a COMMUNIST, and a NEGRO, and a FOREIGNER!!!! His real name is OSAMA!!!!!! OMG, call J. Edgar Hoover!!!! The next POUS is a subversive!!!!!!!!!!!!! Darn red pinko menace!!!!!!!! His Dad was Paul Robeson. Call the National Guard, Dammit!!!!!!!

r5TPsooner

9/5/2008, 09:18 PM

No, what should sadden you or anyone is the fact that we're inches away from electing a thinly disguised socialist.

Don't forget those annoying big a$$ ears of his.

jage

9/5/2008, 09:51 PM

Don't forget those annoying big a$$ ears of his.

Because that's what matters when it comes to our next president :rolleyes:

I'm voting Democrat for the first time this year. All I heard from the republicans was constant bashing of the democrats...seriously, why not talk more about your plan for the future and your policies. I didn't hear anything from Palin other than bashing, and it scares me that if McCain keeled over, she could lead our country.

What's with bashing community organizers? I know this is Oklahoma, but damn, she could take out a club, beat a baby seal and wear it as a hat, and some of you guys would act like it was the greatest thing you'd ever seen!

McCain scares me. He's so out of touch with reality with his 9 houses, rich trophy wife, and it seems anytime he's asked a question, he goes back to being a POW and blah blah blah...The dude doesn't even know how to use the internet :(

I guess since I'm voting for Obama, I must be a commie though! Hail Hitler! :rolleyes:

KC//CRIMSON

9/5/2008, 09:56 PM

Don't forget those annoying big a$$ ears of his.

Big ears or knocking on Alzheimer's door?

GottaHavePride

9/5/2008, 10:02 PM

As to the original thought here, I think it's obviously an overstatement. Palin's record being similarly as thin as Obama's and her ability to drop rhetorical bombs with a steady grin and pretty face is what will seal the deal.

OK, something that's seriously starting to worry me about this election is that everyone is talking about Sarah Palin vs. Obama.

SARAH PALIN IS NOT RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT.

JOHN MCCAIN IS.

Imagine my surprise to find out that an attractive female politician is aware that she's attractive and can deliver speeches in such a way as to rile up large numbers of old men.

I still plan to base my vote on a comparison of MCCAIN vs. OBAMA. Sarah Palin is about as relevant to my vote as Hillary Clinton's choice of cabana boy.

SCOUT

9/5/2008, 10:10 PM

OK, something that's seriously starting to worry me about this election is that everyone is talking about Sarah Palin vs. Obama.

SARAH PALIN IS NOT RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT.

JOHN MCCAIN IS.

Imagine my surprise to find out that an attractive female politician is aware that she's attractive and can deliver speeches in such a way as to rile up large numbers of old men.

I still plan to base my vote on a comparison of MCCAIN vs. OBAMA. Sarah Palin is about as relevant to my vote as Hillary Clinton's choice of cabana boy.

True enough. I think the reason the comparisons of Palin and Obama are made is because they are the less experienced member of their respective ticket.

Your choice to say that "Sarah Palin is about as relevant to my vote as Hillary Clinton's choice of cabana boy" is very telling. It seems you don't have too much confidence in Biden or perhaps that would have been a more appropriate analogy.

GottaHavePride

9/5/2008, 10:16 PM

True enough. I think the reason the comparisons of Palin and Obama are made is because they are the less experienced member of their respective ticket.

Your choice to say that "Sarah Palin is about as relevant to my vote as Hillary Clinton's choice of cabana boy" is very telling. It seems you don't have too much confidence in Biden or perhaps that would have been a more appropriate analogy.

No, just that Biden isn't exactly eye candy.

Veritas

9/5/2008, 10:17 PM

Imagine my surprise to find out that an attractive female politician is aware that she's attractive and can deliver speeches in such a way as to rile up large numbers of old men.
Hey. I'm only 33 buddy. ;)

GottaHavePride

9/5/2008, 10:20 PM

Heh.

Harry Beanbag

9/6/2008, 01:00 AM

I did some research, and found he's a MUSLIM, and a COMMUNIST, and a NEGRO, and a FOREIGNER!!!! His real name is OSAMA!!!!!! OMG, call J. Edgar Hoover!!!! The next POUS is a subversive!!!!!!!!!!!!! Darn red pinko menace!!!!!!!! His Dad was Paul Robeson. Call the National Guard, Dammit!!!!!!!

I think you missed your last dose of Ritalin. Maybe have mommy cut down on the sugar for you after 7:00pm. :rolleyes:

Scott D

9/6/2008, 09:50 AM

I did some research, and found he's a MUSLIM, and a COMMUNIST, and a NEGRO, and a FOREIGNER!!!! His real name is OSAMA!!!!!! OMG, call J. Edgar Hoover!!!! The next POUS is a subversive!!!!!!!!!!!!! Darn red pinko menace!!!!!!!! His Dad was Paul Robeson. Call the National Guard, Dammit!!!!!!!

Hoover's unavailable..he's busy getting ****ed in the *** by Rock Hudson. Please try again later. *Beep*

Big Red Ron

9/6/2008, 12:54 PM

OK, something that's seriously starting to worry me about this election is that everyone is talking about Sarah Palin vs. Obama.

SARAH PALIN IS NOT RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT.

JOHN MCCAIN IS.

Sure but the traditional role of the Veep candidate is to be the attack dog. Sara, not only can but will do it in a way that has never been seen before. That's going to be very difficult for Biden and Obama to overcome.

Sara's rhetorical question, "You know what the difference between a hockey Mom and a pit bull is? Lipstick," I think is very revealing to her role in this campaign.

lexsooner

9/6/2008, 09:06 PM

Hoover's unavailable..he's busy getting ****ed in the *** by Rock Hudson. Please try again later. *Beep*

I thought he was over at Joe McCarthy's house dressed like a baby and being spanked by Tailgunner Joe and Roy Cohn. :)

lexsooner

9/6/2008, 09:10 PM

Sure but the traditional role of the Veep candidate is to be the attack dog. Sara, not only can but will do it in a way that has never been seen before. That's going to be very difficult for Biden and Obama to overcome.

Sara's rhetorical question, "You know what the difference between a hockey Mom and a pit bull is? Lipstick," I think is very revealing to her role in this campaign.

And the traditional impact of the VP candidates on the Presidential race outcome is: None.

Scott D

9/6/2008, 09:12 PM

I thought he was over at Joe McCarthy's house dressed like a baby and being spanked by Tailgunner Joe and Roy Cohn. :)

you've mistaken Hoover for Barry Goldwater. ;)

Big Red Ron

9/7/2008, 02:12 PM

And the traditional impact of the VP candidates on the Presidential race outcome is: None.Wrong. JFK, never would have won without LBJ. Reagan was able to keep the "Rockefeller Republicans" in the fold with Bush. Clinton earned respect with some voters by adding the DC insider and former Presidential candidate Gore (granted Ross Perot had more to do with Clinton's election than anything). Heck, Cheney gave Bush clout with the well known and formidable DC insider.

To say veep candidates have no impact is not true. History is full of further proof that that statement isn't correct.

Okla-homey

9/7/2008, 02:25 PM

Wrong. JFK, never would have won without LBJ. Reagan was able to keep the "Rockefeller Republicans" in the fold with Bush. Clinton earned respect with some voters by adding the DC insider and former Presidential candidate Gore (granted Ross Perot had more to do with Clinton's election than anything). Heck, Cheney gave Bush clout with the well known and formidable DC insider.

To say veep candidates have no impact is not true. History is full of further proof that that statement isn't correct.

I would add that Perot's choice of Admiral Jim Stockdale as his running mate leached credibility from a campaign already badly in need of it.

Veritas

9/7/2008, 02:31 PM

I would add that Perot's choice of Admiral Jim Stockdale as his running mate leached credibility from a campaign already badly in need of it.
GRIDLOCK!

SoonerBorn68

9/7/2008, 02:49 PM

I guess since I'm voting for Obama, I must be a commie though! Hail Hitler!

I hope you didn't pay for that education.

Big Red Ron

9/7/2008, 06:26 PM

I hope you didn't pay for that education.OMG, that was funny!

Curly Bill

9/7/2008, 06:32 PM

I guess since I'm voting for Obama, I must be a commie though! Hail Hitler! :rolleyes:

Glad you guys helped bring this to my attention as its hilarious if a bit sad. Should I state the obvious and say that this person shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a voting booth?

jage

9/8/2008, 10:00 AM

Glad you guys helped bring this to my attention as its hilarious if a bit sad. Should I state the obvious and say that this person shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a voting booth?

Wow, you're right, I'm an idiot and should not be allowed towards the voting booth.

I did not mean that Hitler was communist. I was more throwing in how I must be communist and was also throwing in a Hitler reference, not meaning to tie the two together.

I'm getting my education from OU and am two semesters away from graduating with a BS in Computer Engineering, a minor in math, and a minor in computer science.

Please don't question my intelligence just because you don't agree with my part affiliation. It's sad that I'm in the red now too. I actually like this message board, and although I don't post a whole lot, its sad to see fellow Sooner fans making fun of me because of my part affiliation.

I thought you guys were better than that. :(

olevetonahill

9/8/2008, 10:04 AM

jage

9/8/2008, 10:15 AM

This is the SO we all Have Masters in Smartassology. Just sayin
Oh and whats a "Part affiliation " ?:confused:
:D

Haha, ask Sic'em, he's confused on his "part affiliation" :)

(I don't think my Y key must have been workin so well)

Civicus_Sooner

9/8/2008, 10:18 AM

Wow, you're right, I'm an idiot and should not be allowed towards the voting booth.

I did not mean that Hitler was communist. I was more throwing in how I must be communist and was also throwing in a Hitler reference, not meaning to tie the two together.

I'm getting my education from OU and am two semesters away from graduating with a BS in Computer Engineering, a minor in math, and a minor in computer science.

Please don't question my intelligence just because you don't agree with my part affiliation. It's sad that I'm in the red now too. I actually like this message board, and although I don't post a whole lot, its sad to see fellow Sooner fans making fun of me because of my part affiliation.

I thought you guys were better than that. :(There's a lot of educated folks on this thread. I would say, your education is admirable but it doesn't really lend itself to understanding who Obama is and what he's trying to turn America in to.

Your education is going to go a long way towards making you a nice salary. If Obama's tax structure is passed, you might as well have majored in English lit. You'll start at salary X and get some raises and capital gains, taxed on those, taxed at the highest rate for your income, taxed on benefits and taxed on savings and taxed on your estate when you die.

You might as well have stayed at the entry level because success is taxed in Obama land. Rob from "The rich" to give to the "poor."

My wife and I have a combined household income of nearly $100,000 per year but with all the taxes we pay, we might as well have one quit and make $50 per year, as it is.

You should be very weary about Obama and his "plans."

jage

9/8/2008, 10:33 AM

There's a lot of educated folks on this thread. I would say, your education is admirable but it doesn't really lend itself to understanding who Obama is and what he's trying to turn America in to.

Your education is going to go a long way towards making you a nice salary. If Obama's tax structure is passed, you might as well have majored in English lit. You'll start at salary X and get some raises and capital gains, taxed on those, taxed at the highest rate for your income, taxed on benefits and taxed on savings and taxed on your estate when you die.

You might as well have stayed at the entry level because success is taxed in Obama land. Rob from "The rich" to give to the "poor."

My wife and I have a combined household income of nearly $100,000 per year but with all the taxes we pay, we might as well have one quit and make $50 per year, as it is.

You should be very weary about Obama and his "plans."

MCCAIN OBAMA
Income Avg. tax bill Avg. tax bill
Over $2.9M -$269,364 +$701,885
$603K and up -$45,361 +$115,974
$227K-$603K -$7,871 +$12
$161K-$227K -$4,380 -$2,789
$112K-$161K -$2,614 -$2,204
$66K-$112K -$1,009 -$1,290
$38K-$66K -$319 -$1,042
$19K-$38K -$113 -$892
Under $19K -$19 -$567

Me and my wife combined will probably be in the 66K - 112K. (Source is CNN btw). And I don't mind paying taxes as long as they are going somewhere positive and helping people who need help. Its when they go to wasteful government programs that I mind.

Now, if I was making over 2.9M, I would be a little upset, but I would actually be benefiting more under Obama's tax plans.

mdklatt

9/8/2008, 11:22 AM

Your education is going to go a long way towards making you a nice salary. If Obama's tax structure is passed, you might as well have majored in English lit.

If you raise the taxes on making money, nobody will want to make money!

:rolleyes:

Raise your hand if you've ever turned down a pay increase because it meant paying higher taxes.

Anyone? Anyone?

I didn't think so.

olevetonahill

9/8/2008, 11:24 AM

SoonerInKCMO

9/8/2008, 11:29 AM

I did Once. It was gonna be a Net Minus in take home . :P

You're going to have to explain the math to me on that one. :confused:

Civicus_Sooner

9/8/2008, 11:31 AM

If you raise the taxes on making money, nobody will want to make money!

:rolleyes:

Raise your hand if you've ever turned down a pay increase because it meant paying higher taxes.

Anyone? Anyone?

I didn't think so.Point being, socialism is what Obama's pushing. I'm not for that. I want more tax cuts and more cuts in government spending across the board and send the savings back to us.

The government's only role is justice and national protection. If spending doesn't fall under those two things, I say cut the current budget. No new spending packages or bull crap.

olevetonahill

9/8/2008, 11:42 AM

You're going to have to explain the math to me on that one. :confused:

Not to tuff, It wasnt Much of a raise, Just enough to Put me in a higher withholding bracket.

Hamhock

9/8/2008, 11:52 AM

If you raise the taxes on making money, nobody will want to make money!

:rolleyes:

Raise your hand if you've ever turned down a pay increase because it meant paying higher taxes.

Anyone? Anyone?

I didn't think so.

i've seen it. First hand.

client group of doctors were looking at opening a specialty clinic. it required high capital investment. they decided that the after tax profit wasn't worth the effort. as a result, the clinic didn't get opened. it would have employed about 13 people.

i've seen other circumstances where taxes motivated/de-motivated investment decisions. Lots of investors ask the question "what does it mean after taxes?"

i don't think we're talking about the guy going from $20k to $21k/year here.

tommieharris91

9/8/2008, 11:56 AM

i don't think we're talking about the guy going from $20k to $21k/year here.

Olevet might be.

Anyway, raising taxes lowers discretionary consumer spending. Right now, raising taxes is pretty much the wrong thing to do. And I really do think Obama has more economic sense than that.

mdklatt

9/8/2008, 11:57 AM

Point being, socialism is what Obama's pushing.

Pssst...we're already socialist, except that we spread the risk around while privatizing the profit. See Fannie Mae for the latest example.

I want more tax cuts and more cuts in government spending across the board and send the savings back to us.

The spending cuts need to come first. But that's not going to happen as long as the pubz keep taxes artificially low by letting the deficit skyrocket. It's also not going to happen because everyone wants to cut somebody else's government spending without willing to making any sacrifices of their own.

The government's only role is justice and national protection.

So, I guess you don't want to drive or fly anywhere?

SoonerInKCMO

9/8/2008, 11:59 AM

Not to tuff, It wasnt Much of a raise, Just enough to Put me in a higher withholding bracket.

But you only pay the higher rate on the extra pay. You're still paying the same rate on the amount you made before the raise.

mdklatt

9/8/2008, 12:00 PM

client group of doctors were looking at opening a specialty clinic. it required high capital investment. they decided that the after tax profit wasn't worth the effort.

So what did they do with the money they were going to invest?

mdklatt

9/8/2008, 12:02 PM

Anyway, raising taxes lowers discretionary consumer spending. Right now, raising taxes is pretty much the wrong thing to do. And I really do think Obama has more economic sense than that.

Maybe that's why his plan will lower taxes on 98% of income earners.

Civicus_Sooner

9/8/2008, 12:06 PM

The spending cuts need to come first. But that's not going to happen as long as the pubz keep taxes artificially low by letting the deficit skyrocket. It's also not going to happen because everyone wants to cut somebody else's government spending without willing to making any sacrifices of their own.

I would agree that Repubs missed an opportunity to cut spending when they had control for a couple of years but they paid the price and now the Dem's have been in control for a long time. Difference is, nobody expected the dems to reduce spending, it isn't in their DNA.

Right now, raising taxes is pretty much the wrong thing to do. And I really do think Obama has more economic sense than that.

Seriously? have you not heard what Obama's been talking about? He's raising taxes across the board.

Hamhock

9/8/2008, 12:06 PM

So what did they do with the money they were going to invest?

left it in the bank

Civicus_Sooner

9/8/2008, 12:09 PM

Maybe that's why his plan will lower taxes on 98% of income earners.WOW, if you believe that, I have a bridge for sale.

JohnnyMack

9/8/2008, 12:11 PM

Point being, socialism is what Obama's pushing. I'm not for that.

No it isn't. You're either ignorant, naive or a liar.

I want more tax cuts and more cuts in government spending across the board and send the savings back to us.

The government's only role is justice and national protection. If spending doesn't fall under those two things, I say cut the current budget. No new spending packages or bull crap.

Do you know how much the national debt is? Do you know how badly underfunded Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid are? Do you know what that's doing to the overall value of the dollar? Do you understand what kind of economic growth it would take to not just pay back the debt, but to keep it from growing? Do you think "no new taxes" is a cure-all? Sorry but that's a simplistic a line of rhetoric. You know what happens when you start rolling back corporate taxes? The corporations amass wealth. They do so by moving the money off-shore and diversifying themelves out of USDs. You think Exxon/Mobil's wealth is in stacks of hundred dollar bills in a bank vault?

The whole concept of a global economy is fine, but we the people have been effed in the *** by policymakers who allow corporations to move this money that way, who allow corporations to outsource jobs to countries who don't force the payment of a living wage for most workers and who sell the debt off to foreign countries in massive quantities and hope they don't blow that out and diversify their holdings further into Euros or gold or something they view as more stable and more valuable than our USD.

Warren Buffet warns:

As our U.S. trade problems worsen, the probability that the dollar will weaken over time continues to be high. I fervently believe in real trade – the more the better for both us and the world. We had about $1.44 trillion of this honest-to-God trade in 2006. But the U.S. also had $.76 trillion of pseudo-trade last year – imports for which we exchanged no goods or services. (Ponder, for a moment, how commentators would describe the situation if our imports were $.76 trillion – a full 6% of GDP – and we had no exports.) Making these purchases that weren’t reciprocated by sales, the U.S. necessarily transferred ownership of its assets or IOUs to the rest of the world. Like a very wealthy but self-indulgent family, we peeled off a bit of what we owned in order to consume more than we produced. The U.S. can do a lot of this because we are an extraordinarily rich country that has behaved responsibly in the past. The world is therefore willing to accept our bonds, real estate, stocks and businesses. And we have a vast store of these to hand over. These transfers will have consequences, however. Already the prediction I made last year about one fall-out from our spending binge has come true: The “investment income” account of our country – positive in every previous year since 1915 – turned negative in 2006. Foreigners now earn more on their U.S. investments than we do on our investments abroad. In effect, we’ve used up our bank account and turned to our credit card. And, like everyone who gets in hock, the U.S. will now experience “reverse compounding” as we pay ever-increasing amounts of interest on interest.

mdklatt

9/8/2008, 12:20 PM

and now the Dem's have been in control for a long time

A Republican White House and a Republican Congress took us from a budget surplus to a record deficit in six years. So the solution is to keep them in office? :confused:

Civicus_Sooner

9/8/2008, 12:24 PM

No it isn't. You're either ignorant, naive or a liar.

Do you know how much the national debt is? Do you know how badly underfunded Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid are? Do you know what that's doing to the overall value of the dollar? Do you understand what kind of economic growth it would take to not just pay back the debt, but to keep it from growing? Do you think "no new taxes" is a cure-all? Sorry but that's a simplistic a line of rhetoric. You know what happens when you start rolling back corporate taxes? The corporations amass wealth. They do so by moving the money off-shore and diversifying themelves out of USDs. You think Exxon/Mobil's wealth is in stacks of hundred dollar bills in a bank vault?

The whole concept of a global economy is fine, but we the people have been effed in the *** by policymakers who allow corporations to move this money that way, who allow corporations to outsource jobs to countries who don't force the payment of a living wage for most workers and who sell the debt off to foreign countries in massive quantities and hope they don't blow that out and diversify their holdings further into Euros or gold or something they view as more stable and more valuable than our USD.

Warren Buffet warns:

If you don't believe Obama is steeped in socialist views, I suggest a little research on his opinions PRIOR to running for President.

Hell, look at the organization's and Obama chose to be affiliated with, William Charles "Bill" Ayers was a friend, neighbor and co chairman of an Organization with.

Mr. Ayers is a militilist socialst see for yourself... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers

What was the philisophocal bent of "Trinity United Church?" You guessed it socialistic. Rev. Wright often spoke of taking from the rich and giving to the poor.

If those two examples of Obama's long time friend and faith don't tip his hand as to his true belief's, I don't know what does.

Close your eyes and hope for the best.

mdklatt

9/8/2008, 12:26 PM

If you don't believe Obama is steeped in socialist views, I suggest a little research on his opinions PRIOR to running for President.

If you look at McCain's opinions prior to running for president he's pretty much a moderate Democrat.

soonerscuba

9/8/2008, 12:26 PM

My wife and I have a combined household income of nearly $100,000 per year but with all the taxes we pay, we might as well have one quit and make $50 per year, as it is.
Really? If you do this, you have nobody to blame but yourself for your hardship. At 100k, it would take an effective 60% rate for this to make sense. It would be cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Seriously? have you not heard what Obama's been talking about? He's raising taxes across the board.
No, he's not. What you think he will do and what he says he will do are totally different, don't present opinion as policy.

Civicus_Sooner

9/8/2008, 12:28 PM

A Republican White House and a Republican Congress took us from a budget surplus to a record deficit in six years. So the solution is to keep them in office? :confused:So, you didn't see the first part of that post?

Let's not forget the wars and the bailing out of the airline industry and all the new security measures, equipment and people to be trained to protect ourselves from another attack.

Don't forget, it was the Republican controlled legislature that passed a balance budget amendment that ballanced it under Clinton, I guess he could have Veto'd, welfare reform and other budget cutting but he didn't. As a matter of fact, he likes to take credit for it now that he's gone and good for him but it wouldn't have happened without the, "Contract with America."

mdklatt

9/8/2008, 12:30 PM

What was the philisophocal bent of "Trinity United Church?" You guessed it socialistic. Rev. Wright often spoke of taking from the rich and giving to the poor.

The rich helping the poor...pretty shocking talk coming out of a church.

Civicus_Sooner

9/8/2008, 12:30 PM

Really? If you do this, you have nobody to blame but yourself for your hardship. At 100k, it would take an effective 60% rate for this to make sense. It would be cutting off your nose to spite your face.

No, he's not. What you think he will do and what he says he will do are totally different, don't present opinion as policy.Well, I've run the numbers and she and I will indeed pay more income taxes if the Obama plan gets passed.

Civicus_Sooner

9/8/2008, 12:32 PM

The rich helping the poor...pretty shocking talk coming out of a church.lol, it was getting control of government to make that happen. You aren't paying attention to what Wright and his followers want to do to the "United states of Goddamn America." do you?

Did you know that the more taxes are cut, the more charity receives?

mdklatt

9/8/2008, 12:41 PM

Let's not forget the wars

I support the war! Just don't make me pay for it.

and the bailing out of the airline industry

Privatize the profits, socialize the risks.

and all the new security measures, equipment and people to be trained to protect ourselves from another attack

A lot of the airline changes are funded as a user fee on airline tickets--no tax increase. As to the other stuff, if we're benefiting from it shouldn't we be paying for it?

Don't forget, it was the Republican controlled legislature that passed a balance budget amendment that ballanced it under Clinton

Proof that having one party--either party--in charge of things for too long is almost certainly a bad idea. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Vaevictis

9/8/2008, 12:45 PM

My wife and I have a combined household income of nearly $100,000 per year but with all the taxes we pay, we might as well have one quit and make $50 per year, as it is.

Wow, is it really costing you $35,000 extra per year to have the second person work?

SoonerBorn68

9/8/2008, 12:45 PM

Hey Johnny, are you ready to pony up & pay about 20-30% more taxes a year personally?

SoonerBorn68

9/8/2008, 12:46 PM

My question is actually to all the resident Obambators.

soonerscuba

9/8/2008, 12:47 PM

Hey Johnny, are you ready to pony up & pay about 20-30% more taxes a year personally?
Are you really daft enough to think that a president could raise the average rate to 60%?

soonerscuba

9/8/2008, 12:47 PM

Wow, is it really costing you $35,000 extra per year to have the second person work?
Good luck getting an answer on that one.

SoonerInKCMO

9/8/2008, 12:49 PM

Hey Johnny, are you ready to pony up & pay about 20-30% more taxes a year personally?

My question is actually to all the resident Obambators.

1. The plan as put forth by Obama wouldn't have most of us pay more in taxes - in fact it would be less than paid under McCain's plan.
2. I'm prepared to pay more if it's needed (i.e. we still have a budget deficit after the proper budget cuts are made)... just don't know exactly how much more.

SoonerBorn68

9/8/2008, 12:49 PM

Are you really daft enough to think that a president could raise the average rate to 60%?

Are you daft enough to think I was talking about income tax only?

JohnnyMack

9/8/2008, 12:55 PM

Hey Johnny, are you ready to pony up & pay about 20-30% more taxes a year personally?

I don't know how to fix it.

soonerscuba

9/8/2008, 12:56 PM

Are you daft enough to think I was talking about income tax only?
Well, let's see some proof.

Civicus_Sooner

9/8/2008, 01:02 PM

Wow, is it really costing you $35,000 extra per year to have the second person work?Obviously an exageration. However, we've looked at her quitting to stay at home when she has a baby and it really didn't change the budget that much.

I am not, however, looking forward to the Bush tax cuts being reversed and new taxes applied to us.

mdklatt

9/8/2008, 01:02 PM

I don't know how to fix it.

This is why it's a good thing Americans always vote for leaders who are smarter and more experienced than we are rather than choosing somebody who is "just like me" or the "guy I'd most like to have a beer with". Oh wait....

Civicus_Sooner

9/8/2008, 01:05 PM

This is why it's a good thing Americans always vote for leaders who are smarter and more experienced than we are rather than choosing somebody who is "just like me" or the "guy I'd most like to have a beer with". Oh wait....

lol

mdklatt

9/8/2008, 01:16 PM

I am not, however, looking forward to the Bush tax cuts being reversed and new taxes applied to us.

I don't look forward to paying my electric bill each month, but the alternative is called stealing. It's not "the government's" deficit, it's our deficit. We are "the government". You, me, and everyone else are responsible for the money our country spends. It's odd that the party of "personal responsibility" has the most resistance to paying our debts.

SoonerBorn68

9/8/2008, 01:39 PM

Well, let's see some proof.

Sorry for the delayed response. Our diesel powered generator was being serviced so the environment got a 30 minute break.

In simple terms businesses are in the business making money and most have a built in margin they would like or need to make. When those business are taxed higher they roll that into the cost of their inventories/services/expenses and make that good/service higher. They (the businesses) are not going to take a hit on profit because if they start, jobs will start going away, or reduced, benefits will follow suit, & the "little man" will just have to work harder with less people or resources.

Now, take that example and combine that for everything you buy: from gas, to groceries, to cable, to phone service, to electricity--everything. Businesses are going to continue to make money but all of their taxes are going to be passed on to you. I pulled 20-30% out of my ***. Along with Obama's plan for a 10% rise in payroll taxes (which also raise your company's FICA input) I'm guessing 20-30%. It could be higher.

If you've ever noticed in peak months your gas or elecrtic bill has a multiplier on it--meaning you pay a higher rate for those months. It'll be the same with an increased business tax rate.

Big Red Ron

9/8/2008, 01:43 PM

I don't look forward to paying my electric bill each month, but the alternative is called stealing. It's not "the government's" deficit, it's our deficit. We are "the government". You, me, and everyone else are responsible for the money our country spends. It's odd that the party of "personal responsibility" has the most resistance to paying our debts. We aren't the government, we have a representative style republican form of government. The debt is ours but it isn't because we caused it.

The Republicans should have made the cuts in government spending when they had the House, Senate and Presidency there for a while. They didn't and they lost their majority for it.

mdklatt

9/8/2008, 02:03 PM

The debt is ours

That's the bottom line, so anybody saying "I don't want to pay higher taxes" (as if anybody wants to) is saying "I don't want to pay my bills". Tax decreases have to follow spending cuts, not the other way around.

tommieharris91

9/8/2008, 02:29 PM

That's the bottom line, so anybody saying "I don't want to pay higher taxes" (as if anybody wants to) is saying "I don't want to pay my bills". Tax decreases have to follow spending cuts, not the other way around.

I think an across-the-board tax hike is inevitable in the near future. I hope they actually decide to pay down the debt, rather than expand the government.

mdklatt

9/8/2008, 02:36 PM

I hope they actually decide to pay down the debt, rather than expand the government.

There's the rub--and a reason to hope for a split House and Congress. Politicians of all stripes spend tax money like a drunken sailor when given the chance.

Civicus_Sooner

9/8/2008, 02:36 PM

I think an across-the-board tax hike is inevitable in the near future. I hope they actually decide to pay down the debt, rather than expand the government.

I don't think it would take long to pay down the national debt by making a 10% cut in spending across the board in government spending.

Basially that's our choice in this election, John McCain would like to see governemt to reduce in size and scope, while Obama has plans on new goverment programs.

tommieharris91

9/8/2008, 02:46 PM

I don't think it would take long to pay down the national debt by making a 10% cut in spending across the board in government spending.

Basially that's our choice in this election, John McCain would like to see governemt to reduce in size and scope, while Obama has plans on new goverment programs.

Umm... The national debt is about $9 trillion now. I'm not exactly sure that McCain would reduce the size of the government, too.

jage

9/8/2008, 02:56 PM

But you only pay the higher rate on the extra pay. You're still paying the same rate on the amount you made before the raise.

I think there are a surprising number of people who don't understand this.

Let's say once I get out of college I get two offers:

-Company A offers $65,000
-Company B offers $66,000

Now, using the married filing jointly and for the sake of numbers, my wife makes nothing.

Now, at Company A it breaks down like this:
-The first $16,050 gets taxed 10%
-The next $48,950 gets taxed 15%

My income after those taxes would be ~ $56053

Now at Company B, it breaks down the same, except now
-The last $1,000 gets taxed 25%

My income after those taxes would be ~ $56803

So even though I'm jumping tax brackets, I'm still making more money from company B...so I really don't see how people turn down jobs because they want to stay in a lower tax bracket :confused: :confused: