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Whet
8/31/2008, 08:21 PM
Yes, breaking news about Obama's Muslimism and other important information JUST released:

http://www.danielpipes.org/article/5354


Two sources, including Larry Johnson of No Quarter (who just returned from a business trip in Hawaii), have independently told me that Republicans have in their possession Barack Obama’s Hawaiian Birth Certificate.

The sources confirm that the theory (http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/07/31/breaking-obama-hides-indonesian-identity-fake-birth-certificate-explained/) first presented here -- see Obama Hides Indonesian Identity, Fake Birth Certificate Explained -- nearly 2 weeks ago, IS TRUE:

The name on the Birth Certificate is Barry Soetoro.

For those who have not followed this story, Soetoro is the name on Obama’s Birth Certificate (BC) because a new BC was issued when he was adopted by Lolo Soetoro, his step-father. His original BC, which we assume was issued for Barack Hussein Obama at birth, would have been sealed at that time.

We assert that Barry Soetoro acquired Indonesian citizenship in approximately 1965-1966, and may still hold it. Barack Obama possibly changed his legal name back to Barack Hussein Obama as an older child, teenager, or adult, possibly never did -- but even if he did, this procedure would not result in a change to the BC.

The Birth Certificate published by Obama on his campaign website (still there, by the way) and distributed to the media was forged because the real BC on file is in the name Soetoro, an identity he apparently wanted to hide from the American people.

I am getting reports from different sources that Obama traveled to Pakistan in ‘81 with an Indonesian passport.

This story just won't go away.
And what the hell is this from "USAfrica Online (http://www.usafricaonline.com/news.html): The Authoritative Link."



Raila Odinga, who is Obama's first cousin, has, in his own words (http://www.themidnightsun.org/?p=1613), a "close personal friendship" with Obama. When Obama went to Kenya in August of 2006, he was hosted by Raila and spoke in praise of him at several rallies in Nairobi. Obama’s bias for his fellow Luo was so blatant that a Kenya government spokesman denounced (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=149_1199587542) Obama during his visit as Raila’s "stooge."

At the University of Nairobi, Obama offered more pointed criticism, something he's done almost every day since arriving last week. After remaining largely silent, the government of President Mwai Kibaki is beginning to respond, suggesting that Obama may have fallen under the spell of opposition leader Raila Odinga, Obama's cousin (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/01/08/wkenya308.xml). Odinga is the son of Senior’s sister, a direct first cousin and nephew of Obama's father.

A potential presidential candidate himself, Odinga's been at Obama's elbow here fairly often. "Sen. Obama has to look at critically about where he's receiving his advice from," said government spokesman Dr. Alfred Mutua. "Just because somebody, somewhere wants to run for president and is using Sen. Obama as his stooge, as his puppet to be able to get to where he wants to get to."

http://www.soonerfans.com/forums/_images/ObamaOdinga.jpg


Obama and Odinga share (http://allafrica.com/stories/200801070176.html) the same Luo heritage and history and has made it possible for them to share the same spotlight at this defining moment in Kenyan and American histories about hope and fear.

On December 27th, 2007, when Raila Odinga lost the presidential election to Mwai Kibaki, he claimed the vote was rigged, whereupon his tribal followers went on murderous rampages, such as in the town of Eldoret, where on New Years Day dozens of Christians were burned to death in a church set on fire. Throughout Kenya, hundreds of people have been politically murdered in the last few days.

Islam had picked (http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com/2008/01/03/kenya-turmoil-a-test-for-obama/) Raila to win.

The Evangelical Alliance of Kenya has posted (http://eakenya.org/newsevents/article.htm?id=8) on its website a photograph copy of a Memorandum of Understanding, dated and signed on August 29, 2007, between Raila Odinga and Shiekh Abdullah Abdi, chairman of the National Muslim Leaders Forum of Kenya.

Here is a summary on the agreement which was signed:

* It pledges the support of Kenyan Moslems for Raila’s election. In return, as President of Kenya, Raila agrees to 14 actions, listed a) through n) on page two.

* Within 6 months re-write the Constitution of Kenya to recognize Shariah as the only true law sanctioned by the Holy Quran for Muslim declared regions.

* Within one year facilitate the establishment of a Shariah court in every Kenyan divisional headquarters. [Note: everywhere in Kenya, not just in "Muslim declared regions."]

* Popularize Islam, the only true religion… by ordering every primary school in Kenya in the regions to conduct daily Madrassa classes.

* Impose a total ban on open-air gospel crusades by worshippers of the cross…

* Outlaw gospel programs… on KBC, the National Broadcaster.

* Impose a total ban on the public consumption of alcoholic beverages…

* Impose an immediate ban on women’s public dressing styles that are considered immoral and offensive to the Muslim faith…

Obama's involvement in Kenyan politics, whether tribal or religious, is bothersome.

Especially if it is both.

Then, On January 2nd, 2008, in classic Marxist tradition, Odinga, accused President Mwai Kibaki of stealing the Dec. 27 election, and rallied (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,330212,00.html) his Luo followers in western Kenya, demanding a new election.

Kibaki "must step down or there must be a re-election -- in this I will not be compromised. You cannot steal my cow, and I catch you red-handed, and then expect me to share the milk because the cow is mine."

More than 1,000 people, mostly Kikuyu Christians, have been killed and 300,000 forced from their homes by Odinga's followers.

My Opinion Matters
8/31/2008, 08:26 PM
I'm not reading all that. To summarize: He's Satan, right?

Widescreen
8/31/2008, 08:28 PM
<Kanye>Barack Obama hates Christians.</Kanye>

SoonerBorn68
8/31/2008, 08:31 PM
I'm not reading all that. To summarize: He's Satan, right?

Nah, just the Anti Christ. ;)

GottaHavePride
8/31/2008, 08:39 PM
While I'm sure Daniel Pipes does indeed have a great deal of knowledge about the Middle East and Islam, he's also an extreme neo-conservative and seems (from what I've read) to be fanatically anti-Islam. No, I'm sure his writings aren't biased at all.

1. Who cares what religion Barack Obama supports, now or in the past? I don't care what religion John McCain is, either.

2. So what if his name changed at some point? That's perfectly legal - anyone can change their name to whatever they want. The "evidence" looks like his name got changed when he was legally adopted by his step-father, and at some point he decided to go back and use his birth name. Big whoop.

3. Again, so what if he holds dual US - Indonesian citizenship? That is also not an impediment to becoming President. There's a lot of Americans with dual citizenships.

Whet
8/31/2008, 08:41 PM
Now from Barry's sister:


In an interview (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/30/us/politics/30obama.html?n=Top/News/Poltics/Series/The%20Long%20Run) with the New York Times, Maya Soetoro-Ng, Obama’s younger half sister, told the Times, "My whole family was Muslim, and most of the people I knew were Muslim." (Alternate link (http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/04/30/america/30obama.php))

I assume Maya thinks of her brother, Obama, as a member of her family?

Although Anna Dunham is often described as an atheist, I assume Maya thinks of her mother as a member of her family, as well.

StoopTroup
8/31/2008, 08:55 PM
No matter what these folks dig up....

They seem to look past everything Obama has done since College.

They do it very quick too.

Barrack has come from nowhere...taken the advice of Family by getting an education and become a Christian. Has found the love of his life in Michelle and now have two beautiful children.

Sounds like the American Dream to me.

All the Obama bashing stinks of sour grapes to me.

Whet
8/31/2008, 09:04 PM
here's some marxist-type work Barry did after graduating;

The Chicago Period began in 1985, when some white leftists (http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2008/02/23/obama-and-the-radicals-soulmates/) were looking for someone who could recruit in a black neighborhood in the south side of Chicago and Obama answered a help-wanted ad for a position as a community organizer for the Developing Communities Project (DCP) of the Calumet Community Religious Conference (CCRC) in Chicago. The "Project" was funded by Bill Ayers' Woods Fund (http://globallabor.blogspot.com/2008/08/obama-ayers-top-ten-10-highlights-of-20.html).

Obama was 24 years old, unmarried, and according to his memoir, searching for a genuine African-American community.

Both the CCRC and the DCP were built on the Alinsky model (http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/01/obamas_alinsky_jujitsu.html) of community agitation, wherein paid organizers learned how to "rub raw the sores of discontent," in Alinsky's words.

Alinsky viewed as supremely important the role of the organizer, or master manipulator, whose guidance was responsible for setting the agendas of the People’s Organization. "The organizer," Alinsky wrote, "is in a true sense reaching for the highest level for which man can reach -- to create, to be a 'great creator,' to play God."

One of Obama's early mentors in the Alinsky method was Mike Kruglik, who had this to say (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=7004) to an interviewer of The New Republic, about Obama:

"He was a natural, the undisputed master of agitation, who could engage a room full of recruiting targets in a rapid-fire Socratic dialogue, nudging them to admit that they were not living up to their own standards. As with the panhandler, he could be aggressive and confrontational. With probing, sometimes personal questions, he would pinpoint the source of pain in their lives, tearing down their egos just enough before dangling a carrot of hope that they could make things better."

The agitator's job, according to Alinsky, is first to bring folks to the "realization" that they are indeed miserable, that their misery is the fault of unresponsive governments or greedy corporations, then help them to bond together to demand what they deserve, and to make such an almighty stink that the dastardly governments and corporations will see imminent "self-interest" in granting whatever it is that will cause the harassment to cease.

In these methods, euphemistically labeled "community organizing," Obama had a four-year education, which he often says was the best education he ever got anywhere.

For three years (http://hotair.com/archives/2008/05/09/ask-obama-yes-you-can/) Barack Obama was the director of Developing Communities Project, an institutionally based community organization on Chicago’s far south side. He has also been a consultant and instructor for the Gamaliel Foundation, an organizing institute working throughout the Midwest.

Whet
8/31/2008, 09:06 PM
Now, Barry needs to be a christian so, he joins a church:

In 1988, while working as a community organizer, Obama was repeatedly asked to join Christian congregations but begged off (http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2007/01/liberal_juan_wi.html).

"I remained a reluctant skeptic, doubtful of my own motives ..." he wrote.

When Obama first undertook his agitating work in Chicago's South Side poor neighborhoods, he was un-churched. Yet his office was in a Church and most of the folks he needed to agitate and organize were Church people -- pastors and congregants -- who took their churches and their church-going very seriously. Again and again, he was asked by pastors and church ladies, "Where do you go to Church, young man?" It was a question he dodged for a while, but finally he relented and joined a church (http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/01/obamas_alinsky_jujitsu.html).

Obama didn't join just any church, but a huge black nationalist church, the Trinity United Church of Christ (http://www.tucc.org/about.htm) (UCC). Its pastor, Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright (http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/03/03/obama_church/), unabashedly preaches a "black" gospel.

The crosscurrents appealed (http://infidelsarecool.com/2008/04/07/jeremiah-wright-former-muslim/) to Obama. He came to believe that the church could not only compensate for the limitations of Alinsky-style organizing but could help answer the nagging identity problem he had come to Chicago to solve. "It was a powerful program, this cultural community," he wrote, "one more pliant than simple nationalism, more sustaining than my own brand of organizing."

So it is very clear. Obama joined Trinity UCC for political reasons.

Whet
8/31/2008, 09:18 PM
wait - listened to advice, yes he did:

MoveOn.org founder David Axelrod helped (http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/1892) the state senator win his U.S. Senate seat in 2004 and currently serves as Strategist and Media Adviser to Obama’s presidential campaign. He is in position to become Obama's Karl Rove.
Bill Ayers, who has been identified as an Obama "adviser," (http://globallabor.blogspot.com/2008/04/who-sent-obama.html) has long held what the left once knew, broadly, as "maoist" politics -- a view of the world that was opposed to Russian style bureaucratic communism from above, instead advocates of this approach supported sending revolutionary cadre to "swim among the masses like fish in the sea."
The list of Barack Obama associates that hold views that clash with mainstream America is getting longer every day and now we can add another notch in the "anti-American" column of Obama campaign workers and supporters. This time we find that the Obama campaign's Official Blogger, Sam Graham-Felsen, has spent time in France participating in labor riots, has written for a socialist magazine, hung a communist flag in his home, and was a fan of Marx while at Harvard.

What we know for sure is that in May of 2006, Sam Graham-Felsen wrote a short piece in the socialist magazine Socialist Viewpoint describing his participation in some French labor riots.

Then, back in 2003, Graham-Felsen also wrote a piece for the Harvard Crimson praising Noam Chomsky, known for blaming the United States instead of the terrorists for the attacks on 9/11, and advising him to "tone it down" in order to fool people enough to get his anti-American message out.
Rev. Jeremiah A Wright, pastor of the UCC Trinity Church, is Obama's Personal and Spiritual Adviser. Wright preaches (http://althouse.blogspot.com/2007/12/audacity-of-oprah.html) African-American unity through antipathy toward whites. He is militantly Afrocentric. His church's website (http://www.tucc.org/about.htm) proudly claims, "We are an African people, and remain 'true to our native land,' the mother continent, the cradle of civilization."

Wright, who married the Obama's, remains a major influence on the presidential candidate. The title of Obama’s second book, The "Audacity of Hope," is borrowed from one of Wright’s sermons.

Was it a recommendation of Zbigniew Brzezinski to bring Robert Malley, another anti-Israel foreign policy expert (http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/01/barack_obamas_middle_east_expe.html), onto Obama's Foreign Policy Staff?

Malley's father, Simon Malley (http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=8&x_nameinnews=88&x_article=1437), was born to a Syrian family in Cairo and at an early age found his métier in political journalism. Simon wrote thousands of words in support of the struggle against Western nations. In Paris, he founded the journal Afrique Asie; he and his magazine became advocates for "liberation" struggles throughout the world, particularly for the Palestinians.
Malley is the Director of the Middle East/North Africa Program at the International Crisis Group (ICG). The ICG is funded (in part) by anti-Israel billionaire activist George Soros through his Open Society Institute. Soros serves on its Board and on its Executive Committee. Other members of the Board include Zbigniew Brzezinski (whose anti-Israel credentials are impeccable) and Wesley Clark (who called US support for Israel during the Hezbollah War a "serious mistake").

lexsooner
8/31/2008, 09:39 PM
No matter what these folks dig up....

They seem to look past everything Obama has done since College.

They do it very quick too.

Barrack has come from nowhere...taken the advice of Family by getting an education and become a Christian. Has found the love of his life in Michelle and now have two beautiful children.

Sounds like the American Dream to me.

All the Obama bashing stinks of sour grapes to me.

Spek. Deep down I think a lot of people, especially conservative, middle Americans, are scared of Obama. No, not consciously, but underneath all of this intense dislike is a strong tone of fear. He runs counter to so much of what Americans expect - an African American man who is a Christian, smart as a whip, did so well at Harvard Law School that he was selected for Harvard Law Review, then became President of the Law Review; married a smart woman, two great kids, dynamic, even inspirational, thoughtful, handsome, even tempered. There is not even an undertone of fakeness about him, ala John Edwards. He seems truly sincere and good-intentioned.

And most of all, he is both black AND mainstream. He is not a fringe flake like Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson, people who can dismissed and ridiculed. He handles controversial issues intelligently and without the usual race-baiting. He is so much of what an African American man/political candidate is not supposed to be, that he brings out of worst of many. I mean, why is there such hatred for him? He is by all accounts an amazing guy who is living the American dream, so you would think people would like him, perhaps disagree with his policies, but not hate on him like I am seeing. It is pure and simple fear, IMHO. Smart black folk are not supposed to be out there leading the race for POUS, and it drives some people crazy.

Curly Bill
8/31/2008, 09:47 PM
Spek. Deep down I think a lot of people, especially conservative, middle Americans, are scared of Obama. No, not consciously, but underneath all of this intense dislike is a strong tone of fear. He runs counter to so much of what Americans expect - an African American man who is a Christian, smart as a whip, did so well at Harvard Law School that he was selected for Harvard Law Review, then became President of the Law Review; married a smart woman, two great kids, dynamic, even inspirational, thoughtful, handsome, even tempered. There is not even an undertone of fakeness about him, ala John Edwards. He seems truly sincere and good-intentioned.

And most of all, he is both black AND mainstream. He is not a fringe flake like Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson, people who can dismissed and ridiculed. He handles controversial issues intelligently and without the usual race-baiting. He is so much of what an African American man/political candidate is not supposed to be, that he brings out of worst of many. I mean, why is there such hatred for him? He is by all accounts an amazing guy who is living the American dream, so you would think people would like him, perhaps disagree with his policies, but not hate on him like I am seeing. It is pure and simple fear, IMHO. Smart black folk are not supposed to be out there leading the race for POUS, and it drives some people crazy.


The answer to your question is many people do not think of him as mainstream. He is from the left-wing of the donk party. His attempts to portray himself as otherwise is what creates the dislike. He is what he claims not to be: a typical politician.