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soonersn20xx
8/21/2008, 06:22 PM
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Frozen Sooner
8/21/2008, 06:24 PM
I can't see the video, but I'll have to get back to you after I ask my people.

And really, to be totally fair, it's probably hard to keep track. Who knows how many may be for sale on the courthouse steps on any given day?

Dio
8/21/2008, 06:26 PM
I own 2- I suppose Obama thinks I'm part of the problem?

Frozen Sooner
8/21/2008, 06:28 PM
I own 2- I suppose Obama thinks I'm part of the problem?

You ever lose track of how many you have?

Dio
8/21/2008, 06:31 PM
You ever lose track of how many you have?

I try to stay out of the drunkytown threads

soonersn20xx
8/21/2008, 06:31 PM
To borrow a Jeff Foxworthy line.............if you can't remember how many houses you own, you just might be an elitist.

StoopTroup
8/21/2008, 07:23 PM
What confused John was that he thought it was a trick question.

The real answer is ZERO.

His Wife owns 7 though. :D

jdsooner
8/21/2008, 09:42 PM
I'll have my people get back to you on that!
Right now I want to "get awaY" in my private jet.

SicEmBaylor
8/21/2008, 09:53 PM
My assumption is that McCain was trying to be precise. My guess is that perhaps they have some real estate investments and could own several homes at any one time. I think that's why he said he'd have to wait to get an exact number.

Turd_Ferguson
8/21/2008, 09:58 PM
dems....grabbing....straws....yada yada

Soonerus
8/21/2008, 09:58 PM
I am not sure...

soonerscuba
8/21/2008, 10:02 PM
Personally, I would like to lose track of how many homes I own one day. It doesn't really bother me that McCain doesn't know, however presidential politics is often founded by how relateable a candidate is to Joe Sixpack, and saying this doesn't help. I don't blame Obama for delaying his VP announcement to let this one simmer for a bit.

OklahomaTuba
8/21/2008, 10:04 PM
Does my hut in kenya count?

I let Obama's bro crash there.

OklahomaTuba
8/21/2008, 10:05 PM
What a great opportunity for Mac to bring up how THE ONE got his nice big house in Chicago.

Tony Rezko is a name everyone will know soon me thinks.

Soonerus
8/21/2008, 10:07 PM
Do I count my Panamanian casas ???

JohnnyMack
8/21/2008, 10:27 PM
What a great opportunity for Mac to bring up how THE ONE got his nice big house in Chicago.

Tony Rezko is a name everyone will know soon me thinks.

Since they already investigated the transaction and found no wrong doing I'm sure you've got some super secret information they're just dying to hear about. :rolleyes:

CORNholio
8/21/2008, 10:35 PM
Why would this be a negative? How is it a bad thing that someone has been financially successful? Do you want someone who is teetering on bankruptcy and shown no ability to manage money in charge of the national deficit? I would much rather have somebody that understands how to work money running the country than somebody like me. JMHO.

JohnnyMack
8/21/2008, 10:39 PM
Why would this be a negative? How is it a bad thing that someone has been financially successful? Do you want someone who is teetering on bankruptcy and shown no ability to manage money in charge of the national deficit? I would much rather have somebody that understands how to work money running the country than somebody like me. JMHO.

Ummm, you know it's all HER money, right? I mean other than marrying well it's not like he did anything to earn it.

GottaHavePride
8/21/2008, 10:39 PM
Pffff. Forget that. I liked the interview I saw the other day where they asked him about filing a marriage license before his divorce to his first wife was final. His answer was "That was 30 years ago. I have a happy marriage."

jdsooner
8/21/2008, 11:33 PM
He married an attractive, younger, rich woman after his wife got fat.
He went for money, looks, more houses than he can recall, and all the beer he can drink. What's wrong with that?

soonersn20xx
8/21/2008, 11:51 PM
This ad simply had the same goal as McCain's Britney and Paris ad, to make the candidate seem elitist and out of touch. So in that regard it is no more negative than what McCain did, unfortunately this type of smear tactic resonates with voters.

Fight fire with fire is the only way to win, if Obama had a choice he would rather not campaign this way..........but if the other side is going to play dirty then you have no choice.

Vaevictis
8/22/2008, 12:13 AM
McCain just handed Obama's team attack-ad gold.


I don't think I need to tell you that there are jobs that Americans will not do. I don't think I have to tell you that there are ... the backbone of our economy...

Audience members interject: Pay them the right wages!


You know I've heard that statement before. Now, my friends, I'll offer anybody here fifty dollars an hour if you'll go pick lettuce in Yuma this season and pick for the whole season. So, ok, sign up! Ok, when you sign up, you sign up, and you'll be there for the whole season, the whole season, ok, not just one day. Because you can't do it, my friend.

If Obama's team can't find a way to turn that into an effective ad-campaign, Obama doesn't deserve to win. Geez, it's even custom-tailored to Obama's campaign, what with the "Yes we can" motto they've got going.

GrapevineSooner
8/22/2008, 12:43 AM
This ad simply had the same goal as McCain's Britney and Paris ad, to make the candidate seem elitist and out of touch. So in that regard it is no more negative than what McCain did, unfortunately this type of smear tactic resonates with voters.

Fight fire with fire is the only way to win, if Obama had a choice he would rather not campaign this way..........but if the other side is going to play dirty then you have no choice.

Negative campaigning is part and parcel of every major political campaign. Neither Repubs nor Dems have the market cornered on this tactic. Only a partisan right wing or left wing moron would be blind to this fact.

Politically, I understand the uproar. But personally, I don't give a damn how many homes McCain or his wife own as long as illegal activites were not undertaken to acquire them.

But I guess that's just me.

Rogue
8/22/2008, 05:44 AM
I saw a Rezko ad here in DC last night. Saying Rezko got him his house in return for political favors.

achiro
8/22/2008, 08:11 AM
, if Obama had a choice he would rather not campaign this way.

OMG, I about choked on my breakfast on this one! You have got it bad!
McCain mis-spoke, probably because he knew if he said it wrong it would be used against him. Maybe he doesn't own any and they are all in her name? Then he claims them and they hammer him for that one. This isn't a big deal, what is to me is the fact that 1. Obama's campaign had an ad out about it before NOON the same damn day. and even worse 2. Obama added it to his speach that day along with an outright lie.
Lie? you say. yep IN the Warren interview the other day McCain was asked how much someone had to make to be rich, McCains answer? "5 million dollars" along with a shrug of the shoulders and a grin that showed clearly he was joking, then he says "Seriously though", followed by, something to the extent of "I am sure my opponent will find some way to use that" and went on to his serious answer. Obama jumped on that the next day by saying, "McCain thinks you aren't rich unless you make 5 million dollars, now he may have been joking" but yesterday he says it without adding the joking part. Now that tells me he is a dirty assed liar and very desperate. If I had any doubts who I wanted to vote for, Obama's actions in the last week have eliminated them for sure.

OU4LIFE
8/22/2008, 08:37 AM
it was obvious to me that he didn't WANT to answer the question. His political consultant wasn't there to tell him what answer would paint him in the best light....He knows how many...or he has a pretty damned good idea how many.

Bottom line is, I don't give a rat flip how many houses the guy has, how much fossil fuel his car uses, or where he eats his dinners. IMO, not one damned bit of that makes ANY difference in what kind of president he'd be.

I guarantee you that if I'd married a rich chick and could afford 7 houses, I'd probably have them all over the place as well. As would many of you regardless of political affiliation.

Crimsontothecore
8/22/2008, 08:54 AM
What strange times we live in. We turn financial success into a negative quality when we scrutinize our presidential candidates.

JohnnyMack
8/22/2008, 09:03 AM
OMG, I about choked on my breakfast on this one! You have got it bad!
McCain mis-spoke, probably because he knew if he said it wrong it would be used against him. Maybe he doesn't own any and they are all in her name? Then he claims them and they hammer him for that one. This isn't a big deal, what is to me is the fact that 1. Obama's campaign had an ad out about it before NOON the same damn day. and even worse 2. Obama added it to his speach that day along with an outright lie.
Lie? you say. yep IN the Warren interview the other day McCain was asked how much someone had to make to be rich, McCains answer? "5 million dollars" along with a shrug of the shoulders and a grin that showed clearly he was joking, then he says "Seriously though", followed by, something to the extent of "I am sure my opponent will find some way to use that" and went on to his serious answer. Obama jumped on that the next day by saying, "McCain thinks you aren't rich unless you make 5 million dollars, now he may have been joking" but yesterday he says it without adding the joking part. Now that tells me he is a dirty assed liar and very desperate. If I had any doubts who I wanted to vote for, Obama's actions in the last week have eliminated them for sure.

He didn't mis-speak, he mis-remembered.

And which lie are you talking about, the one when he told the story about the prison guard and the cross?

soonersn20xx
8/22/2008, 09:19 AM
If I had any doubts who I wanted to vote for, Obama's actions in the last week have eliminated them for sure.

Yeah, you sound like a fence leaner. :rolleyes:

Obama goes overseas to meet with some other nation's leaders and McCain makes a video of it putting the images of Britney Spears and Paris Hilton next to him. Then he accuses of Obama of willing to lose a war to win an election, that is as plain as calling him a traitor or at least unpatriotic. But it took this Obama ad to send you over the outrage cliff eh?

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
8/22/2008, 09:25 AM
Why on earth are you guys pulling for Obama, anyway. McCain's no Reagan's second coming, but Obama is a national disgrace. You really should be ashamed of yourself for hoping he gets the opportunity to brutalize YOUR and my country.

JohnnyMack
8/22/2008, 09:25 AM
Why on earth are you guys pulling for Obama, anyway. McCain's no Reagan's second coming, but Obama is a national disgrace. You really should be ashamed of yourself for hoping he gets the opportunity to brutalize YOUR and my country.

Explain. In English. Plzkthx.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
8/22/2008, 09:27 AM
Explain. In English. Plzkthx.I couldn't have been any clearer.

soonersn20xx
8/22/2008, 09:29 AM
I couldn't have been any clearer.
You say he is a national disgrace, please start a thread and explain...;)

Veritas
8/22/2008, 09:30 AM
Why would this be a negative? How is it a bad thing that someone has been financially successful? Do you want someone who is teetering on bankruptcy and shown no ability to manage money in charge of the national deficit? I would much rather have somebody that understands how to work money running the country than somebody like me. JMHO.

Well, CORNholio, the only way the people become successful enough to have real estate assets valued in the millions is by being a nasty evil person. There just isn't any other way to build wealth than being evil and nasty, ergo anyone who is wealthy is evil and nasty. Those evil and nasty wealthy people don't do enough to help the "less fortunate" who just can't do the same work and produce the same amount money, so the Obamessiah, may he live forever, has come to make things right.

You see, CORNholio, those who have the capability to produce wealth have an obligation to their fellow man not to keep that wealth for themselves but to give it away to those who can't work and are forced to endure the suffering of the lower classes: Judge Judy re-runs and career college ads on a Vizio 50" LCD.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
8/22/2008, 09:31 AM
You say he is a national disgrace, please start a thread and explain...;)Worst (most socialist)voting record in US Senate, association with terrorists, black racists, and America haters. Advocacy of infanticide.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfL_H7zg1QI

soonersn20xx
8/22/2008, 09:36 AM
Well, CORNholio, the only way the people become successful enough to have real estate assets valued in the millions is by being a nasty evil person. There just isn't any other way to build wealth than being evil and nasty, ergo anyone who is wealthy is evil and nasty. Those evil and nasty wealthy people don't do enough to help the "less fortunate" who just can't do the same work and produce the same amount money, so the Obamessiah, may he live forever, has come to make things right.

You see, CORNholio, those who have the capability to produce wealth have an obligation to their fellow man not to keep that wealth for themselves but to give it away to those who can't work and are forced to endure the suffering of the lower classes: Judge Judy re-runs and career college ads on a Vizio 50" LCD.

No CORNholio, this is mere sarcasm.........the success of this video is based on the theme that actually the average voters begrude people who have wealth and/or fame. They want the class clown or the down to earth guy who drinks Nattys b/c he can't afford imports to be president. Whichever campaign can paint a picture of the other as being farther away from that "type" of guy will get an advantage.

Frozen Sooner
8/22/2008, 09:39 AM
Personally, I have no problem with John McCain owning 7 homes. Or 10. Or whatever.

It's a bit disturbing that he has no idea how many he owns to such a level he couldn't have even said "Well, four that we live in and a few that are investments."

Right, I know. According to his campaign, questioning his memory on how many homes he owns is unfair because he was a POW.

Scott D
8/22/2008, 09:44 AM
What I want to know is which of McCain's homes is Okla-Homey the official fluffer of the McCain campaign. I'll take that answer off the air.

JohnnyMack
8/22/2008, 09:51 AM
Well, CORNholio, the only way the people become successful enough to have real estate assets valued in the millions is by being a nasty evil person. There just isn't any other way to build wealth than being evil and nasty, ergo anyone who is wealthy is evil and nasty. Those evil and nasty wealthy people don't do enough to help the "less fortunate" who just can't do the same work and produce the same amount money, so the Obamessiah, may he live forever, has come to make things right.

You see, CORNholio, those who have the capability to produce wealth have an obligation to their fellow man not to keep that wealth for themselves but to give it away to those who can't work and are forced to endure the suffering of the lower classes: Judge Judy re-runs and career college ads on a Vizio 50" LCD.

No he did it the American way, cheated on his wife and married into it.

Look I'm all for working hard and amassing wealth, I have no problem with it. What I do have a problem with is marital infidelity that leads to him escalating his tax bracket.

OU4LIFE
8/22/2008, 09:53 AM
Personally, I have no problem with John McCain owning 7 homes. Or 10. Or whatever.

It's a bit disturbing that he has no idea how many he owns to such a level he couldn't have even said "Well, four that we live in and a few that are investments."

Right, I know. According to his campaign, questioning his memory on how many homes he owns is unfair because he was a POW.

See, it just didn't sound that way when I listened to it. It sounded more like he was scared to say.

and honestly, why does it matter?

soonerscuba
8/22/2008, 09:54 AM
Worst (most socialist)voting record in US Senate, association with terrorists, black racists, and America haters. Advocacy of infanticide.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfL_H7zg1QI
He's a Muslim too.

badger
8/22/2008, 09:55 AM
I would lose track too if I was...

1- Old enough to remember many homes that I've lived in throughout my life.
2- If the truth was detrimental to my campaign.

So, either or. I don't care. I own half of one - my husband NP owns the other half :D

Frozen Sooner
8/22/2008, 09:56 AM
Why does what matter? How many home he owns? Or that he can't remember how many he owns?

The first is because he's consistently tried to paint Barack Obama as out of touch with middle America. Personally, I think owning seven homes would make it harder to relate to middle America than eating arrugala-though I don't think either is particularly relevant.

Not remembering how many homes he owns? That's a bit more problematic. McCain has shown significant memory lapses on the campaign trail on things he should know.

OU4LIFE
8/22/2008, 09:56 AM
No he did it the American way, cheated on his wife and married into it.

Look I'm all for working hard and amassing wealth, I have no problem with it. What I do have a problem with is marital infidelity that leads to him escalating his tax bracket.

Clinton much?

OU4LIFE
8/22/2008, 09:57 AM
Why does what matter? How many home he owns? Or that he can't remember how many he owns?

The first is because he's consistently tried to paint Barack Obama as out of touch with middle America. Personally, I think owning seven homes would make it harder to relate to middle America than eating arrugala-though I don't think either is particularly relevant.

Not remembering how many homes he owns? That's a bit more problematic. McCain has shown significant memory lapses on the campaign trail on things he should know.

yes, yes, I was referring to how many homes he owns, not his mental acuity.

Frozen Sooner
8/22/2008, 09:58 AM
Clinton much?

Bill Clinton divorced his first wife because she got fat after an auto accident and married an heiress before his divorce was final?

Veritas
8/22/2008, 09:59 AM
No he did it the American way, cheated on his wife and married into it.

Look I'm all for working hard and amassing wealth, I have no problem with it. What I do have a problem with is marital infidelity that leads to him escalating his tax bracket.
The Obamessiah cometh to right these wrongs. He shall cast out those who have adulterated their way into wealth. He shall claim the seat of the arbiter over who deserveth their wealth and who doth not. Saith the prophet, 'those who deserveth not their fortune shall see it torn from them and given to the rightful holders, that they may attain that which is theirs by virtue of their human existence.'

II Socialiticus 4:20

OU4LIFE
8/22/2008, 10:00 AM
Bill Clinton divorced his first wife because she got fat after an auto accident and married an heiress before his divorce was final?

ok srsly, if you are going to play the marital infidelity card.....

JohnnyMack
8/22/2008, 10:02 AM
The Obamessiah cometh to right these wrongs. He shall cast out those who have adulterated their way into wealth. He shall claim the seat of the arbiter over who deserveth their wealth and who doth not. Saith the prophet, 'those who deserveth not their fortune shall see it torn from them and given to the rightful holders, that they may attain that which is theirs by virtue of their human existence.'

II Socialiticus 4:20

If you would actually come around here once in a while instead of popping in and flaming out you'd know that while I'm voting for Obama, I'm not some idiot lemming who's blindly made this choice, but thanks for thinking someone who would vote for Obama would have to be a dumbass.

I don't like the new Veritas, he's about 1% as much fun as the old one.

Frozen Sooner
8/22/2008, 10:02 AM
ok srsly, if you are going to play the marital infidelity card.....

Then you should be prepared to have it played right back when your candidate does it.

We've had to hear it about Clinton for a decade now.

Suddenly, though, it's OK.

pergdaddy
8/22/2008, 10:05 AM
I own none. The bank still owns mine. For the next 27 years.

OU4LIFE
8/22/2008, 10:05 AM
Then you should be prepared to have it played right back when your candidate does it.

We've had to hear it about Clinton for a decade now.



and which side started the marital infidelity smack in this thread again? I forget.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
8/22/2008, 10:08 AM
If you would actually come around here once in a while instead of popping in and flaming out you'd know that while I'm voting for Obama, I'm not some idiot lemming who's blindly made this choice, but thanks for thinking someone who would vote for Obama would have to be a dumbass.

I don't like the new Veritas, he's about 1% as much fun as the old one.You could use a self-banement for calling yourself a dumbass.

Sooner_Havok
8/22/2008, 10:10 AM
Right, I know. According to his campaign, questioning his memory on how many homes he owns is unfair because he was a POW.

I am getting tired of the POW angle. Hell, he has even admitted that he wasn't tortured over there, so why is it such a big deal?:pop:

:P

JohnnyMack
8/22/2008, 10:10 AM
You could use a self-banement for calling yourself a dumbass.

I reprimanded myself in the shower this morning, thank you very much.

King Crimson
8/22/2008, 10:10 AM
Suddenly, though, it's OK.

not quite,

sin

John Edwards

i don't think the houses thing is that big a deal. we've never been afraid of plutocracy have we? though, that fancy book learning kind of elitism is a no go. it does seem hypocritical given the "elitism" meme thrown at Obama....but hypocrisy is hardly selling tickets these days except for possibly as politics of distraction.

i think the John Lewis thing is far more contemptible...but, most of the successful "attack" themes (going both ways) are pretty flimsy but, hey, that's what people like i guess. it's a stock cache of the same old themes: patriotism, defense, class warfare, socialism, welfare, etc. abortion is going to make a comeback here pretty soon. watch.

more interesting will be how some overblown media coverage/an excess of punditry from the usual suspects of some activist event at the DNC will "prove": that Obama and his merry band of Bolsheviks is an anarchist, his harem never shaves their armpits, and he's way left of Lenin. just wait.

JohnnyMack
8/22/2008, 10:11 AM
and which side started the marital infidelity smack in this thread again? I forget.

*waves*

JohnnyMack
8/22/2008, 10:15 AM
i don't think the houses thing is that big a deal. we've never been afraid of plutocracy have we? though, that fancy book learning kind of elitism is a no go. it does seem hypocritical given the "elitism" meme thrown at Obama....but hypocrisy is hardly selling tickets these days except for possibly as politics of distraction.

Unfortunately that's what gets you elected, pandering to the lowest common denominator. Let's give Obama and McCain an IQ test and see which one comes out on top.

McCain and his wife have an estimated worth of around 100 million, but if they show up (and look as awkward as possible in doing so) at Sturgis, then suddenly he's one of the guys? Do you think John and Cindy McCain give a flying **** about any of those people? Now I'm not saying Obama does either, but come on, let's not act like a man worth that kind of money who's live in the insulated wealthy bubble of Washington D.C. gives a wet fart about what happens to you or I.

Sooner_Havok
8/22/2008, 10:18 AM
Unfortunately that's what gets you elected, pandering to the lowest common denominator. Let's give Obama and McCain an IQ test and see which one comes out on top.

McCain and his wife have an estimated worth of around 100 million, but if they show up (and look as awkward as possible in doing so) at Sturgis, then suddenly he's one of the guys? Do you think John and Cindy McCain give a flying **** about any of those people? Now I'm not saying Obama does either, but come on, let's not act like a man worth that kind of money who's live in the insulated wealthy bubble of Washington D.C. gives a wet fart about what happens to you or I.

But Obama ain't rich, he don't make more than $5 million, he is one of us! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

King Crimson
8/22/2008, 10:23 AM
Unfortunately that's what gets you elected, pandering to the lowest common denominator. Let's give Obama and McCain an IQ test and see which one comes out on top.


that's what i mean, being sardonic. though i also maybe should have said *mere hypocrisy*....

i'm just saying for every hypocritical item that becomes a % swinging theme, there are plenty of others and some pretty dubious stuff (McCain's association with Keating) that slide on by.

Mixer!
8/22/2008, 10:27 AM
I reprimanded myself in the shower this morning, thank you very much.
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/2056/ewwwz4.jpg

JohnnyMack
8/22/2008, 10:31 AM
But Obama ain't rich, he don't make more than $5 million, he is one of us! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Obama came from nothing, was raised by a single parent, put himself through Columbia and Harvard Law (where he excelled at writing), wrote some books that people bought and he made money off of it. Seems much more like the American Dream then, I cheated on my wife, married a Disney villain worth a bajillion dollars and have spent the last 25 years surrounded by wealth and privilege in D.C.

soonerscuba
8/22/2008, 10:35 AM
Obama came from nothing, was raised by a single parent, put himself through Columbia and Harvard Law (where he excelled at writing), wrote some books that people bought and he made money off of it. Seems much more like the American Dream then, I cheated on my wife, married a Disney villain worth a bajillion dollars and have spent the last 25 years surrounded by wealth and privilege in D.C.
Eh, I have zero faith in people when it comes to stuff like this. Let's not forget that a New England born, prep school attending, Yale and Harvard educated son of a former president convinced people he was a cowboy, outsider and somebody who you would like to have a beer with, despite the fact that he doesn't drink beer.

Lucille Bluth ain't going to be doing McCain any favors.

JohnnyMack
8/22/2008, 10:41 AM
Eh, I have zero faith in people when it comes to stuff like this. Let's not forget that a New England born, prep school attending, Yale and Harvard educated son of a former president convinced people he was a cowboy, outsider and somebody who you would like to have a beer with, despite the fact that he doesn't drink beer.

Lucille Bluth ain't going to be doing McCain any favors.

I find it to be more of an indictment of the way our presidential elections have become massive displays of wealth. Look at McCain, Kerry, W, George Sr. Romney, HRC, Edwards, Perot, Bloomberg (didn't run but could have if he had wanted to spend the money). All had piles of cash.

Sooner_Havok
8/22/2008, 10:45 AM
Obama came from nothing, was raised by a single parent, put himself through Columbia and Harvard Law (where he excelled at writing), wrote some books that people bought and he made money off of it. Seems much more like the American Dream then, I cheated on my wife, married a Disney villain worth a bajillion dollars and have spent the last 25 years surrounded by wealth and privilege in D.C.

But that is different! Donks ain't allowed to bust their asses and make a fortune. Only neo-con, born-again evangelical Christian, party line towing republican Limbaughites are allowed to do that. You ditch your civics class in high school often JM?

badger
8/22/2008, 10:49 AM
Bill Clinton divorced his first wife
http://www.uncorrelated.com/images/bill_and_hillary_clinton_1.jpg

because she got fat
http://www.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,5806861,00.jpg

after an auto accident
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/07bN05Y8h8dD9/610x.jpg
(all that was left was the wheel)

and married an heiress
http://newsbusters.org/static/2008/01/2008-01-17Lewinsky.jpg

before his divorce was final?

http://www.judiciaryreport.com/images/bill-clinton-hillary-clinton.jpg
face it - they've lasted years longer than they should have - chelsea's the only thing holding them together.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
8/22/2008, 10:51 AM
It's all there about Obama. You just need to examine it honestly.

Mixer!
8/22/2008, 10:52 AM
I find it to be more of an indictment of the way our presidential elections have become massive displays of wealth. Look at McCain, Kerry, W, George Sr. Romney, HRC, Edwards, Perot, Bloomberg (didn't run but could have if he had wanted to spend the money). All had piles of cash.

http://www.curtalliaume.com/password5.jpg

"The password is... 'patrician'.

*ding*

Sooner_Havok
8/22/2008, 10:55 AM
It's all there about Obama. You just need to examine it honestly.

Well yeah, dah bible says that the Anti-Christ isa gonna be a smooth talking Muslim. It's all there in Revelations you heathens, pick up a bible and learn yourselves someting bout teh world!

Veritas
8/22/2008, 11:02 AM
If you would actually come around here once in a while instead of popping in and flaming out you'd know that while I'm voting for Obama, I'm not some idiot lemming who's blindly made this choice, but thanks for thinking someone who would vote for Obama would have to be a dumbass.

I don't like the new Veritas, he's about 1% as much fun as the old one.
I don't come around much because I'm busy working my tail off to make my fortune before my chance are ruined by the ideology of entitlement of which Obama is nothing more than the current face. Unlike RLIMC, I don't see Obama as a national disgrace. The true disgrace is that decades of luxury and peace have brought our nation to the point where our citizenry is going to elect a man who has made socialism a key tenet of his campaign. The popularity of Obama is the death knell for this country as a world power and for the end of American self-sufficiency.

Alexander Tyler said of the French Revolution:

A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasure. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's great civilizations has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through the following sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependency, from dependency back to bondage

I see the success of the ideology of entitlement as represented by Obama's popularity. This places us at the penultimate stage moving from apathy to dependency. If that makes me a bit less fun on a message board on the internet, so be it.

soonerscuba
8/22/2008, 11:09 AM
I don't come around much because I'm busy working my tail off to make my fortune before my chance are ruined by the ideology of entitlement of which Obama is nothing more than the current face. Unlike RLIMC, I don't see Obama as a national disgrace. The true disgrace is that decades of luxury and peace have brought our nation to the point where our citizenry is going to elect a man who has made socialism a key tenet of his campaign. The popularity of Obama is the death knell for this country as a world power and for the end of American self-sufficiency.

Alexander Tyler said of the French Revolution:


I see the success of the ideology of entitlement as represented by Obama's popularity places us at the penultimate stage moving from apathy to dependency. If that makes me a bit less fun on a message board on the internet, so be it.
Rehashed rhetoric that we hear any time a Democrat runs for anything. Sorry, but I'm not buying it, especially given that unanimous consent still exists in the Senate.

OU4LIFE
8/22/2008, 11:15 AM
I don't come around much because I'm busy working my tail off to make my fortune before my chance are ruined by the ideology of entitlement of which Obama is nothing more than the current face. Unlike RLIMC, I don't see Obama as a national disgrace. The true disgrace is that decades of luxury and peace have brought our nation to the point where our citizenry is going to elect a man who has made socialism a key tenet of his campaign. The popularity of Obama is the death knell for this country as a world power and for the end of American self-sufficiency.

Alexander Tyler said of the French Revolution:


I see the success of the ideology of entitlement as represented by Obama's popularity. This places us at the penultimate stage moving from apathy to dependency. If that makes me a bit less fun on a message board on the internet, so be it.

While I do not think that quote can accurately be attributed to Tyler, the statement itself, IMO has merit.

OULenexaman
8/22/2008, 11:24 AM
looks like JohnnyMack is a lost soul....Veritas is on the money today...I love fridays on the SO....

Veritas
8/22/2008, 11:24 AM
While I do not think that quote can accurately be attributed to Tyler, the statement itself, IMO has merit.
Right you are. Looks like that quote is totally bogus and is/was hacked together by unknown parties of various sources.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
8/22/2008, 11:24 AM
I don't come around much because I'm busy working my tail off to make my fortune before my chance are ruined by the ideology of entitlement of which Obama is nothing more than the current face. Unlike RLIMC, I don't see Obama as a national disgrace. The true disgrace is that decades of luxury and peace have brought our nation to the point where our citizenry is going to elect a man who has made socialism a key tenet of his campaign. The popularity of Obama is the death knell for this country as a world power and for the end of American self-sufficiency.

Alexander Tyler said of the French Revolution:


I see the success of the ideology of entitlement as represented by Obama's popularity. This places us at the penultimate stage moving from apathy to dependency. If that makes me a bit less fun on a message board on the internet, so be it.You have described (part of) the national disgrace of which I speak.

GrapevineSooner
8/22/2008, 11:27 AM
Rehashed rhetoric that we hear any time a Democrat runs for anything. Sorry, but I'm not buying it, especially given that unanimous consent still exists in the Senate.

Which is why I don't think the country would go to hell in a hand basket if Obama were to be elected.

Checks and balances, folks.

And back to the original topic, no, I don't give a rat's *** if Obama's an elitist, either. I only care about the ideas in his head.

Scott D
8/22/2008, 11:42 AM
Which is why I don't think the country would go to hell in a hand basket if Obama were to be elected.

Checks and balances, folks.

And back to the original topic, no, I don't give a rat's *** if Obama's an elitist, either. I only care about the ideas in his head.

no you can't care about those. You must only care about the strawman arguments presented by those whom feel they NEED to support either candidate, or feel some particular loyalty to a political party that couldn't give a **** if the person existed outside of political contributions, and furthering their agenda to "legally" mass personal wealth while "serving the country" when the truth is as a career politician, they feel it's their "god given right" to "rule" over the sheep that continue to allow them to break the law, and vote them back into office, because by god, he said he did this for us, when in reality, the constituents got peanuts and they got a nice kickback silver lining from securing the funding.

Excuse me while I go vote myself another pay raise for not doing anything of any import or significance, and I think I'll vote for another one next year. And people wonder why our deficit is ****ed up. :rolleyes:

Crimsontothecore
8/22/2008, 11:53 AM
On a shallower note..
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e350/boomersooner123/bill_and_hillary_clinton_1.jpg

Good lord! she makes Mary Kathrine Gallagher look like Reese Witherspoon!

Veritas
8/22/2008, 11:55 AM
no you can't care about those. You must only care about the strawman arguments presented by those whom feel they NEED to support either candidate, or feel some particular loyalty to a political party that couldn't give a **** if the person existed outside of political contributions, and furthering their agenda to "legally" mass personal wealth while "serving the country" when the truth is as a career politician, they feel it's their "god given right" to "rule" over the sheep that continue to allow them to break the law, and vote them back into office, because by god, he said he did this for us, when in reality, the constituents got peanuts and they got a nice kickback silver lining from securing the funding.

Excuse me while I go vote myself another pay raise for not doing anything of any import or significance, and I think I'll vote for another one next year. And people wonder why our deficit is ****ed up. :rolleyes:
Dunno if the strawman reference is aimed at me; either way I should point out that my distaste for Obama and the ideology behind his popularity by no means implies a glowing endorsement for McCain. There isn't truly much difference between the two of them, except one doesn't have a fan base who supports him with a fervor typically reserved for cult leaders.

Obama wouldn't bother me if there were a candidate running against him that represented an opposing balance to his ideas. Unfortunately there isn't, so we're left with two candidates who suck so hard that four more years of Bush doesn't actually sound that bad (kidding).

Scott D
8/22/2008, 11:56 AM
That's probably why she started her political career fellating Barry Goldwater under his desk when he decided to run for president. No wonder she seems to have gone gay (allegedly)

Scott D
8/22/2008, 11:57 AM
Dunno if the strawman reference is aimed at me; either way I should point out that my distaste for Obama and the ideology behind his popularity by no means implies a glowing endorsement for McCain. There isn't truly much difference between the two of them, except one doesn't have a fan base who supports him with a fervor typically reserved for cult leaders.

Obama wouldn't bother me if there were a candidate running against him that represented an opposing balance to his ideas. Unfortunately there isn't, so we're left with two candidates who suck so hard that four more years of Bush doesn't actually sound that bad (kidding).

not you, but listening to some of the nimrods here, you'd think those morons had a cult of McCain. At least I can respect that RLIMC hasn't changed his tune, and feels that both candidates are hypocritical jokes that aren't going to do any good.

Sooner_Havok
8/22/2008, 12:03 PM
not you, but listening to some of the nimrods here, you'd think those morons had a cult of McCain. At least I can respect that RLIMC hasn't changed his tune, and feels that both candidates are hypocritical jokes that aren't going to do any good.

Yeah, but he doesn't start threads about the end of the world coming by the election of McStain. While his opposition to Obama is exceedingly apparent, his opposition to McClan seems to be nothing more than a footnote.

CORNholio
8/22/2008, 12:05 PM
[Charlton Heston]:texan: The Obamessiah cometh to right these wrongs. He shall cast out those who have adulterated their way into wealth. He shall claim the seat of the arbiter over who deserveth their wealth and who doth not. Saith the prophet, 'those who deserveth not their fortune shall see it torn from them and given to the rightful holders, that they may attain that which is theirs by virtue of their human existence.'[/Charlton Heston]

II Socialiticus 4:20

Amen.

Scott D
8/22/2008, 12:05 PM
he was very vociferous in his opposition to McCain during the primaries. He's stayed true to that path in regards to McCain not representing his ideals.

Sooner_Havok
8/22/2008, 12:13 PM
he was very vociferous in his opposition to McCain during the primaries. He's stayed true to that path in regards to McCain not representing his ideals.

No, I agree, he never liked McLoven, but ever since "the Democrats nominated McBain in the Republican primaries", he seems to have forgotten his disdain for the McCain, and solely focused his loathing of Obama and all things democrat.

Kind of sad really, that these people who were so strong in their convection that both McCain and Orama were bad for this country have now picked back up their party lines and are pulling them just as hard as ever. I was kinda hoping for some more people would drop their party allegiances and learn to start thinking for themselves, but oh well.

Wait, are Obama followers the cult, or is the Republican party a cult? Cause both seem to be drinking some kool-aid, but only one group went from "How the hell did this happen" to "I'm a McCaniac!":eek: :eek:

Scott D
8/22/2008, 12:16 PM
loyalty to political party = cult

badger
8/22/2008, 12:17 PM
On a shallower note..
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e350/boomersooner123/bill_and_hillary_clinton_1.jpg

Good lord! she makes Mary Kathrine Gallagher look like Reese Witherspoon!

bill was just as ugly. it was a hippie era, and they were both democrats. whaddaya expect? as john edwards eluded to, once you get the political position, the wimmens will just come clamoring to you and you'll sleep with them all because you believe you're the rock star the political parties make you out to be, all while your wife is off campaigning for you, or dying of cancer, either or, perhaps both.

at least with W, you knew that he would never cheat on Laura.

Frozen Sooner
8/22/2008, 12:19 PM
Based on the current polling data, it appears that more Republicans are willing to vote for the Republican candidate no matter how bad they think the candidate is, based on the pragmatic view that it's better than the alternative.

Democrats are more likely to either withhold their vote or vote for the other guy as a protest.

Which is kind of in keeping with the psychology of both parties, as I see it. Democrats tend to attract the tilting at windmills crowd, while Republicans tend to attract pragmatists. Not making a value judgment on either, by the way-both ways of thinking have much to recommend them.

Scott D
8/22/2008, 12:20 PM
bill was just as ugly. it was a hippie era, and they were both democrats. whaddaya expect? as john edwards eluded to, once you get the political position, the wimmens will just come clamoring to you and you'll sleep with them all because you believe you're the rock star the political parties make you out to be, all while your wife is off campaigning for you, or dying of cancer, either or, perhaps both.

at least with W, you knew that he would never cheat on Laura.

that's because W knew he married up.

Sooner_Havok
8/22/2008, 12:33 PM
loyalty to political party = cult

Shhh, you'll frighten the sheep!

achiro
8/22/2008, 12:34 PM
TO the Obama supporters:

What are your thoughts on Obama's response the other day, "thats above my paygrade" in response to the question "when do human rights start"

Now I will tell you that I am not a one topic voter and if I were, abortionwouldn't be the topic but it seems strikingly obvious to me that Obama can't seem to stand up to his thoughts on anything and this was REALLY bad. A leader has to make tough choices, sometimes those choices are going to **** people off. So is he chicken**** or just trying to say what he needs to get elected?

What are your thoughts on his response to the Georgia issue? When his press seretary accused McCain of being wreckless and shooting from the hip yet within a couple of days Obama stance was the same?

JohnnyMack
8/22/2008, 12:34 PM
I don't come around much because I'm busy working my tail off to make my fortune before my chance are ruined by the ideology of entitlement of which Obama is nothing more than the current face. Unlike RLIMC, I don't see Obama as a national disgrace. The true disgrace is that decades of luxury and peace have brought our nation to the point where our citizenry is going to elect a man who has made socialism a key tenet of his campaign. The popularity of Obama is the death knell for this country as a world power and for the end of American self-sufficiency.

Alexander Tyler said of the French Revolution:


I see the success of the ideology of entitlement as represented by Obama's popularity. This places us at the penultimate stage moving from apathy to dependency. If that makes me a bit less fun on a message board on the internet, so be it.

Your notion that Obama is somehow the tipping point for us to slide into some sort of national apocalypse is dressed up rhetorical scare tactic bull****. IMHO.

Scott D
8/22/2008, 12:39 PM
yeah obama supporters, answer the chiropractor.

badger
8/22/2008, 12:45 PM
that's because W knew he married up.

Uhm, huh? W. was born with a silver foot in his mouth, or whatever Ann Richards said. Laura was a librarian/teacher lady! No denying Laura is his better half, but W. could have had anyone, probably.

Scott D
8/22/2008, 12:46 PM
looks darlin, looks. W has dumbo syndrome...whereas ole Willie knew he was the better looking half of that duo.

Sooner_Havok
8/22/2008, 12:46 PM
yeah obama supporters, answer the chiropractor.

Do I count? I am voting for the guy cause I am afraid McLame might misplace the keys for the country in the refrigerator, tell the kids hunting for easter eggs in the rose garden to "Get off my lawn!", and have to call Cheyenne Mountain to figure out "How this damn 'button' works! I keep pushing it, but the TV won't go to 'football'!"

Scott D
8/22/2008, 12:49 PM
there you go achiro havok gave you an answer. a silly late 80s reaganesque answer, but an answer nonetheless.

sooneron
8/22/2008, 12:53 PM
If you think W was loyal back in his booze n booger sugar days, you are sadly naive.

sooneron
8/22/2008, 12:54 PM
looks darlin, looks. W has dumbo syndrome...whereas ole Willie knew he was the better looking half of that duo.

barely

Sooner_Havok
8/22/2008, 12:55 PM
there you go achiro havok gave you an answer. a silly late 80s reaganesque answer, but an answer nonetheless.

What you talking bout Scott :mad:

Scott D
8/22/2008, 12:58 PM
everything in that reply was why people were claiming they were glad Reagan was unable to run for a 3rd term. Of course, his obvious deterioration from then until his death was very saddening. It's also why there has been a preference for presidents to be in their late 50s to early 60s

Sooner_Havok
8/22/2008, 01:00 PM
everything in that reply was why people were claiming they were glad Reagan was unable to run for a 3rd term. Of course, his obvious deterioration from then until his death was very saddening. It's also why there has been a preference for presidents to be in their late 50s to early 60s

Gottcha. Reagan is on the fringe of what I can remember. The first president I can remember is H Dub

sooneron
8/22/2008, 01:02 PM
Whippersnapper! :dean:

Sooner_Havok
8/22/2008, 01:09 PM
Whippersnapper! :dean:

I'm only 4 presidents old :D

Frozen Sooner
8/22/2008, 01:11 PM
TO the Obama supporters:

What are your thoughts on Obama's response the other day, "thats above my paygrade" in response to the question "when do human rights start"

Now I will tell you that I am not a one topic voter and if I were, abortionwouldn't be the topic but it seems strikingly obvious to me that Obama can't seem to stand up to his thoughts on anything and this was REALLY bad. A leader has to make tough choices, sometimes those choices are going to **** people off. So is he chicken**** or just trying to say what he needs to get elected?

What are your thoughts on his response to the Georgia issue? When his press seretary accused McCain of being wreckless and shooting from the hip yet within a couple of days Obama stance was the same?

If you watched the whole Saddleback forum, you saw Obama give several detailed, cogent, and sometimes unpopular answers. In particular, his answer to the question of whether evil exists and what should be done about was worthy of a Jesuit.

His answer to that particular question wasn't very good, though the "pay grade" comment was a joke. He would have been better served to rephrase the question to "When do the rights of the fetus begin to outweigh the rights of the mother?"

I thought that he took a somewhat measured approach to the Georgia situation. McCain's reaction "We are all Georgians now" was rather knee-jerk, though hardly unsurprising for a guy whose foreign policy advisor is on Georgia's payroll.

Sooner_Havok
8/22/2008, 01:17 PM
If you watched the whole Saddleback forum, you saw Obama give several detailed, cogent, and sometimes unpopular answers. In particular, his answer to the question of whether evil exists and what should be done about was worthy of a Jesuit.

His answer to that particular question wasn't very good, though the "pay grade" comment was a joke. He would have been better served to rephrase the question to "When do the rights of the fetus begin to outweigh the rights of the mother?"

I thought that he took a somewhat measured approach to the Georgia situation. McCain's reaction "We are all Georgians now" was rather knee-jerk, though hardly unsurprising for a guy whose foreign policy advisor is on Georgia's payroll.

Didn't the Georgian president tell him to STFU about that? Something along the lines of "Gee, thanks John, but we need real ****ing help, not pretty words and false acknowledgments ."

Frozen Sooner
8/22/2008, 01:18 PM
Didn't the Georgian president tell him to STFU about that? Something along the lines of "Gee, thanks John, but we need real ****ing help, not pretty words."


Pretty much.

Sooner_Havok
8/22/2008, 01:18 PM
Pretty much.

Heh, I thought so. :D

JohnnyMack
8/22/2008, 01:23 PM
If you watched the whole Saddleback forum, you saw Obama give several detailed, cogent, and sometimes unpopular answers. In particular, his answer to the question of whether evil exists and what should be done about was worthy of a Jesuit.

His answer to that particular question wasn't very good, though the "pay grade" comment was a joke. He would have been better served to rephrase the question to "When do the rights of the fetus begin to outweigh the rights of the mother?"

I thought that he took a somewhat measured approach to the Georgia situation. McCain's reaction "We are all Georgians now" was rather knee-jerk, though hardly unsurprising for a guy whose foreign policy advisor is on Georgia's payroll.

The fact that people (media pundits included) came away from that forum thinking that McCain "won" makes me want to smash my face against the keyboard until I lose consciousness.

Veritas
8/22/2008, 01:27 PM
Your notion that Obama is somehow the tipping point for us to slide into some sort of national apocalypse is dressed up rhetorical scare tactic bull****. IMHO.
You don't have to agree. We'll never agree with each other because we see the world differently. So I'm fine with rhetorical, and I'm fine with bull****. You're disposed to see my views that way regardless of the logic (or illogic) that they represent.

But scare tactic? C'mon. Who am I trying to scare? I don't have any illusions of changing minds or opening anyone's eyes to any great truth. I'm just some ******* posting on the internet instead of working on a client project that I happen to be bored of working on. Besides, there is quite a lot of faith and belief in play here, and there's nothing that relies less on logic than faith and belief.

Speaking to what you said earlier, Mack, I don't think you're some kind of lemming. Your support of Obama, however, has a tinge of religious fervor and emotion behind it that seems to be a common thread with the Obama crowd. It mystifies me that people place attach so much faith and belief to a politician.

Frozen Sooner
8/22/2008, 01:33 PM
Your support of Obama, however, has a tinge of religious fervor and emotion behind it that seems to be a common thread with the Obama crowd. It mystifies me that people place attach so much faith and belief to a politician.

A common refrain to deride those who are enthusiastic about a politician.

We like the guy, therefore we're lemmings or think he's the messiah.

Maybe we just think he's been unfairly smeared?

JohnnyMack
8/22/2008, 01:44 PM
You don't have to agree. We'll never agree with each other because we see the world differently. So I'm fine with rhetorical, and I'm fine with bull****. You're disposed to see my views that way regardless of the logic (or illogic) that they represent.

But scare tactic? C'mon. Who am I trying to scare? I don't have any illusions of changing minds or opening anyone's eyes to any great truth. I'm just some ******* posting on the internet instead of working on a client project that I happen to be bored of working on. Besides, there is quite a lot of faith and belief in play here, and there's nothing that relies less on logic than faith and belief.

Speaking to what you said earlier, Mack, I don't think you're some kind of lemming. Your support of Obama, however, has a tinge of religious fervor and emotion behind it that seems to be a common thread with the Obama crowd. It mystifies me that people place attach so much faith and belief to a politician.

My support of Obama grew out of a disdain for HRC and for all the schmucks the Republicans put forth. I'm way too cynical to have what one would call fervor for Obama. While I don't agree with many of his positions and I do in fact agree with some of the planks in the Republican party to me it came down to picking the candidate as far from the power elite that I could. Honestly I am really impressed by BHO's story. By all accounts he shouldn't be where he is today and think most of us would applaud the effort he's put forth to get where he is. The more you listen to him try and convey his message the more you realize that while he does have a gifted ability at public speaking he also has an IQ that's quit a bit higher than most. Most of these turds I see rolled out (McCain included) are just highly polished beltway types who know what to say and have a solid team of handlers. They have the right look, say the right thing and for us for decades that's been enough. I'm willing to give Obama a shot, not because want something given to me for free (I can't tell you how many nights I've laid my head on a pillow in some hotel in some random city over the last ten years. I can't tell you how much time I've missed being away from my kids and my wife and my house working my *** of to make it better for them) but because I want something different. At a basal level it is about change for me. I'm not so naive as to think that Obama is going to make anything in my life if he's elected that I'll be able to say, "See! See! He IS teh 2nd coming!" I could go on and on about the things I do hope an Obama presidency would achieve, suffice to say that it's enough for me give him and the country a shot a new point of view, a new paradigm if you will.

colleyvillesooner
8/22/2008, 01:48 PM
http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/2497/bartsimpsongeneratoraw0.gif

OU4LIFE
8/22/2008, 01:55 PM
Didn't the Georgian president tell him to STFU about that? Something along the lines of "Gee, thanks John, but we need real ****ing help, not pretty words and false acknowledgments ."

and exactly WHAT help would have Obama offered that was different? The guy is full of 'pretty words' and has on more than one occasion proved he's not exactly the guy to say "let's get our hands dirty".

Sooner_Havok
8/22/2008, 01:59 PM
and exactly WHAT help would have Obama offered that was different? The guy is full of 'pretty words' and has on more than one occasion proved he's not exactly the guy to say "let's get our hands dirty".

Point being? I stated a fact. The Georgian president did in fact criticize McCain. He didn't criticize Obamer.

Please to stop putting the words in my mouths that I did not speak. :D

Veritas
8/22/2008, 02:02 PM
...disdain for HRC and for all the schmucks the Republicans put forth.
There's a bus we can both ride.

I know I'm hammering on BHO supporters pretty hard, but I've not had any of them give me reasons they're voting for him aside from "he speaks well" or "he just seems smart" or "he gives me hope." (That's not a shot at your post Mack, if you say you have reasons beyond those things I don't doubt you).

The flip-flop that has taken place on the Republican side of the things is just as bizarre. My own parents have gone from talking about McCain as a traitor to the GOP to speaking of him as though he's some great statesman. I had to tell my mom to stop sending me links to articles talking about how wonderful he really is, how the liberal media is doing this and that, yada yada.

Politics are just ****ed up in this country. Sigh.

I think I liked fun Veritas better too. ;)

JohnnyMack
8/22/2008, 02:04 PM
Also V, anything you post is invalid because your wrestling team is a bunch of gay porno stars.

OU4LIFE
8/22/2008, 02:04 PM
I put words in your mouth?

I got some news for you, IF, and we all know this would NEVER happen because his IQ is astronomical, Obama were to have been the one to come out in support of Georgia like McCain did, do you think that the Georgian president would have said something different?

no. The response would have been the same, but you are laying it at McCains feet because he made a 'knee jerk' response....and one that damn near everyone on this board agrees with. Or not....Maybe most of us would have gone with "woot, go Russia", but i doubt it.

JohnnyMack
8/22/2008, 02:05 PM
The flip-flop that has taken place on the Republican side of the things is just as bizarre. My own parents have gone from talking about McCain as a traitor to the GOP to speaking of him as though he's some great statesman. I had to tell my mom to stop sending me links to articles talking about how wonderful he really is, how the liberal media is doing this and that, yada yada.

Politics are just ****ed up in this country. Sigh.

I think I liked fun Veritas better too. ;)

Oh I had lunch with my Dad today and he was yammering on and on about how I should vote for McCain. I'll have to admit, it was kinda fun.

colleyvillesooner
8/22/2008, 02:06 PM
There's a bus we can both ride.

There certainly is...

http://lonestartimes.com/images/2007/04/short-bus.jpg

Veritas
8/22/2008, 02:15 PM
Also V, anything you post is invalid because your wrestling team is a bunch of gay porno stars.
Yes, we're the fag capital of the Midwest. Fred Phelps said so.

My wife eye-raped me with those photos. Pulled the "hey, honey, check this out" and gave me her laptop. So I GISed some Luba photos and did the same thing to her. Then I got yelled at for looking at pr()n. Life ain't fair.

JohnnyMack
8/22/2008, 02:16 PM
My wife eye-raped me with those photos.

Colleyville sent them to me. Weird that he would have those on his computer, but whatever.

OU4LIFE
8/22/2008, 02:17 PM
Colleyville sent them to me. Weird that he would have those on his computer, but whatever, I'm just glad he did.

dude

colleyvillesooner
8/22/2008, 02:22 PM
THAT WAS PRIVATE!!!!1!!:mad:

Sooner_Havok
8/22/2008, 02:53 PM
I put words in your mouth?

I got some news for you, IF, and we all know this would NEVER happen because his IQ is astronomical, Obama were to have been the one to come out in support of Georgia like McCain did, do you think that the Georgian president would have said something different?

no. The response would have been the same, but you are laying it at McCains feet because he made a 'knee jerk' response....and one that damn near everyone on this board agrees with. Or not....Maybe most of us would have gone with "woot, go Russia", but i doubt it.


So what, now only folks like you, Dean, and RLIMC are the only ones that get espouse half truths to make your guy look better? What I said was a fact, there is no debating that. I may have left out some valuable information, but that in no way makes what I said a lie. Was I being dishonest, no. Was I being deceitful, well duh.

Everything you say about "Well, if Obama had done said it first..." guess what, you're right. But the fact remains, I never said Obamer was sacrosanct, I said McCain was criticized. Was he, yes, would O'Bama, yes but that is beside the point.

Republicans don't have a monopoly on the "We will tell half the story and omit the other half that makes us look bad" tactic. I can use it when I want, if you want to call me out for leaving out part, feel free, but don't start saying I said **** I didn't.

sooneron
8/22/2008, 02:53 PM
JM fags up another one. It was bound to happen.

Scott D
8/22/2008, 02:56 PM
There's a bus we can both ride.

I know I'm hammering on BHO supporters pretty hard, but I've not had any of them give me reasons they're voting for him aside from "he speaks well" or "he just seems smart" or "he gives me hope." (That's not a shot at your post Mack, if you say you have reasons beyond those things I don't doubt you).

The flip-flop that has taken place on the Republican side of the things is just as bizarre. My own parents have gone from talking about McCain as a traitor to the GOP to speaking of him as though he's some great statesman. I had to tell my mom to stop sending me links to articles talking about how wonderful he really is, how the liberal media is doing this and that, yada yada.

Politics are just ****ed up in this country. Sigh.

I think I liked fun Veritas better too. ;)

Who knew that Okla-homey was the mother of Veritas the husker ;)

Scott D
8/22/2008, 02:58 PM
I put words in your mouth?

I got some news for you, IF, and we all know this would NEVER happen because his IQ is astronomical, Obama were to have been the one to come out in support of Georgia like McCain did, do you think that the Georgian president would have said something different?

no. The response would have been the same, but you are laying it at McCains feet because he made a 'knee jerk' response....and one that damn near everyone on this board agrees with. Or not....Maybe most of us would have gone with "woot, go Russia", but i doubt it.

I sir have been to Georgia....and John McCain is no Georgian....goddamn Arizona putzes :D

OU4LIFE
8/22/2008, 03:11 PM
I can use it when I want, if you want to call me out for leaving out part, feel free, but don't start saying I said **** I didn't.

dude, you need to check yourself. Point to one place where I 'said you said ****', or STFU. I feel pretty safe in saying you are ****ing insane. Check around, you rarely EVER see me in a political thread on either side, so lumping me in with RLIMC is nuts, no offense Rush, and this right here is the reason why, there always some crazy *** nutbag that starts to imagine people said things and make it get all personal. Thanks for that.

Frozen Sooner
8/22/2008, 03:17 PM
There's a bus we can both ride.

I know I'm hammering on BHO supporters pretty hard, but I've not had any of them give me reasons they're voting for him aside from "he speaks well" or "he just seems smart" or "he gives me hope." (That's not a shot at your post Mack, if you say you have reasons beyond those things I don't doubt you).

I hear that a lot as well. I mean "People who don't like Obama saying 'nobody ever has a reason for liking him beyond (something superficial)." Those same people keep saying that to me after I've given my reasons for voting for him.

Yes, he does speak well. I don't think that's a bad quality in a president.

Yes, he does inspire me. I don't think that's a bad quality in a president either.

Those aren't the only reasons I'm voting for him. In fact, they're not even reasons I'm voting for him. But it certainly doesn't hurt.

So why am I voting for him?

Because he understands that the middle class is the backbone of American industry and wants to give them tax breaks to help them support their families and keep the economy moving.

Because he understands the need for real solutions to the energy crisis instead of prolonging the inevitable.

Because he supports the right of workers to collectively bargain.

Because he supports a woman's right to choose.

Because he recognizes that diplomacy is the first resort in international relations.

You may not agree with these points, or agree that he actually supports them, and that's your right-but I'm damn tired of people accusing me of supporting someone with my time and money for no valid reason.

SoonerBorn68
8/22/2008, 03:18 PM
4 Life's a right wing lock stepper! :P

JohnnyMack
8/22/2008, 03:20 PM
dude, you need to check yourself.

Chickity check yerself, before you wreck yerself, cause 4LIFEs back hair is bad fer yer health...

Sooner_Havok
8/22/2008, 03:21 PM
dude, you need to check yourself. Point to one place where I 'said you said ****', or STFU. I feel pretty safe in saying you are ****ing insane. Check around, you rarely EVER see me in a political thread on either side, so lumping me in with RLIMC is nuts, no offense Rush.

Hey, don't take it to mean that you and Dean are as crazy as RLIMC, or me I guess. I expected someone to call me on that, just didn't think it would be you... Let me say this again, you are not nearly as ****ing off base as RLIMC.


Didn't the Georgian president tell him to STFU about that? Something along the lines of "Gee, thanks John, but we need real ****ing help, not pretty words and false acknowledgments ."


and exactly WHAT help would have Obama offered that was different?

Look at the above, I never said what McCain did was wrong, or that I disagreed with him in any way. I Also never said that Obama wouldn't have taken flak for saying the same carp.


The guy is full of 'pretty words' and has on more than one occasion proved he's not exactly the guy to say "let's get our hands dirty".

He is full of pretty words though, you got to admit. And his words are real, some phony made up words like "Strategerize" or "Odelay"

Howzit
8/22/2008, 03:24 PM
dude, you need to check yourself. Point to one place where I 'said you said ****', or STFU. I feel pretty safe in saying you are ****ing insane. Check around, you rarely EVER see me in a political thread on either side, so lumping me in with RLIMC is nuts, no offense Rush, and this right here is the reason why, there always some crazy *** nutbag that starts to imagine people said things and make it get all personal. Thanks for that.

I love it when you get your hackles all, like, up and ****.

sooneron
8/22/2008, 03:25 PM
It isn't wise to upset a wookiee.

OU4LIFE
8/22/2008, 03:26 PM
Hey, don't take it to mean that you and Dean are as crazy as RLIMC, or me I guess. I expected someone to call me on that, just didn't think it would be you... Let me say this again, you are not nearly as ****ing off base as RLIMC.





Look at the above, I never said what McCain did was wrong, or that I disagreed with him in any way. I Also never said that Obama wouldn't have taken flak for saying the same carp.



He is full of pretty words though, you got to admit. And his words are real, some phony made up words like "Strategerize" or "Odelay"

wow...I stand corrected, everything you quoted there was dead on and I can now clearly see where 'I put words in your mouth'....

*slaps forehead*

Sooner_Havok
8/22/2008, 03:26 PM
I love it when you get your hackles all, like, up and ****.

I got to admit, even by my own standards I am being a cracked out little bitch today.:eek:

Sooner_Havok
8/22/2008, 03:28 PM
wow...I stand corrected, everything you quoted there was dead on and I can now clearly see where 'I put words in your mouth'....

*slaps forehead*

Well, you did imply that I thought Obamar would have done something different, or that he wouldn't have taken **** for saying the same thing McCain said. Maybe not putting words in my mouth, but you have to admit you did imply that I thought McCain was in the wrong for what he said.

OU4LIFE
8/22/2008, 03:29 PM
*bangs head on desk*

Sooner_Havok
8/22/2008, 03:31 PM
*bangs head on desk*

Should I stop smoking crack?

Frozen Sooner
8/22/2008, 03:33 PM
Should I stop smoking crack?

John McCain didn't smoke crack for five and a half years.

sooneron
8/22/2008, 03:34 PM
John McCain didn't get to smoke crack for five and a half years.

:texan:

Sooner_Havok
8/22/2008, 03:34 PM
John McCain didn't smoke crack for five and a half years.

:D

soonersn20xx
8/22/2008, 03:36 PM
John McCain didn't smoke crack for five and a half years.

How dare you attack his POWness!! :D

Howzit
8/22/2008, 03:37 PM
Ima start flinging poo at user profiles any minute.

Howzit
8/22/2008, 03:38 PM
Don't not think I won't.

Frozen Sooner
8/22/2008, 03:38 PM
Ima start flinging poo at user profiles any minute.

You will hear from the cynics that we shouldn't fling false poo. But in the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about flung poo.

colleyvillesooner
8/22/2008, 03:39 PM
How dare you attack his POWness!! :D

http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/3936/batmandarktomorrowpownl6.jpg

Fugue
8/22/2008, 03:39 PM
Brown Spots on the Wall

Sooner_Havok
8/22/2008, 03:41 PM
Damn it, I feel to blame for getting this thread way off topic.

0, I still rent

Howzit
8/22/2008, 03:41 PM
You will hear from the cynics that we shouldn't fling false poo. But in the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about flung poo.

Hard to argue with that.

Howzit
8/22/2008, 03:41 PM
Speaking of hard, anyone catch the women's beach volleyball final?

sooneron
8/22/2008, 03:41 PM
YOu incurred the wrath of the Yetti, beware.

Sooner_Havok
8/22/2008, 03:45 PM
YOu incurred the wrath of the Yetti, beware.

I didn't mean it! Honest! For some reason the troll in me came out today! This wouldn't have happened if I still had horn_kalm. I blame everyone but myself, it's the democrat way :cool:

sooneron
8/22/2008, 03:54 PM
I didn't mean it! Honest! For some reason the troll in me came out today! This wouldn't have happened if I still had horn_kalm. I blame everyone but myself, it's the democrat way :cool:

Don't worry, his holiness the messiah with his glazed eyed following will bale you out.:D

Sooner_Havok
8/22/2008, 04:04 PM
Don't worry, his holiness the messiah with his glazed eyed following will bale you out.:D

Dude, RLIMC hates me.

I bet Rush wouldn't much like me either.

sooneron
8/22/2008, 04:17 PM
Dude, RLIMC hates me.

I bet Rush wouldn't much like me either.

uh, I was referring to whom you supposedly "worship".

Sooner_Havok
8/22/2008, 04:20 PM
uh, I was referring to whom you supposedly "worship".

Ba'al, naw, he's an ******* too

picasso
8/22/2008, 05:06 PM
This ad simply had the same goal as McCain's Britney and Paris ad, to make the candidate seem elitist and out of touch. So in that regard it is no more negative than what McCain did, unfortunately this type of smear tactic resonates with voters.

Fight fire with fire is the only way to win, if Obama had a choice he would rather not campaign this way..........but if the other side is going to play dirty then you have no choice.

really? I thought the celebrity comparison had something to do with the cameras, the lights and the attention without really having done anything.

and don't play like anyone in politics is on the high horse and not "smearing" anyone. get a clue.

Harry Beanbag
8/22/2008, 05:36 PM
A common refrain to deride those who are enthusiastic about a politician.

We like the guy, therefore we're lemmings or think he's the messiah.

Maybe we just think he's been unfairly smeared?


Wow, you sound just like a Bush supporter from the last 8 years. Funny how everything comes back around isn't it?

soonersn20xx
8/22/2008, 05:39 PM
Bush unfairly smeared? Now that is just too funny.

Veritas
8/22/2008, 05:47 PM
Bush unfairly smeared? Now that is just too funny.
LOL. Seriously. Bush has earned his low approval rating.

Harry Beanbag
8/22/2008, 05:48 PM
Bush unfairly smeared? Now that is just too funny.



It's all about perspective dude. You have your view, others have their's. I'll say that Barack has way more questions surrounding him now than W did before he was elected. It's up to each individual to be honest enough with themselves to recognize the shortcomings of politicians.

soonersn20xx
8/22/2008, 06:05 PM
Same commercial basically, housegate II.

ILpCZ0rsLhU

Frozen Sooner
8/22/2008, 06:23 PM
Wow, you sound just like a Bush supporter from the last 8 years. Funny how everything comes back around isn't it?

I don't recall ever saying that President Bush was a secret terrorist. Not saying that others didn't, but I know I didn't.

JohnnyMack
8/22/2008, 07:51 PM
I don't recall ever saying that President Bush was a secret terrorist. Not saying that others didn't, but I know I didn't.

who do you think's responsible for 09/11 then???

Veritas
8/22/2008, 07:57 PM
who do you think's responsible for 09/11 then???

The Loose Change douchnozzle is my top suspect.

sooneron
8/22/2008, 08:10 PM
who do you think's responsible for 09/11 then???

easy-

ctEDHm0OKms

Harry Beanbag
8/23/2008, 01:26 AM
I don't recall ever saying that President Bush was a secret terrorist. Not saying that others didn't, but I know I didn't.

Huh? There are plenty saying that he was behind 9/11, among everything else bad that has happened the last 8 years. Your statement is a non sequitur, I never accused you specifically of anything, just offering the general observation that one's affiliation determines what they perceive as right and wrong, truth and lies, black and white, etc..

Frozen Sooner
8/23/2008, 01:51 AM
And people who say he was behind 9/11 are a lunatic fringe and called such.

Again-I'm pretty sure that I've never accused someone of being a Bush homer for defending him against charges of being behind 9/11.

The point being that you can't pull out the "turnabout is fair play" card when I'm not guilty of the behavior in question.

If a Bush supporter was defending him against straight-up falsehoods-such as claiming that he's a terrorist, or a Muslim, or was behind 9/11, or had a sub-90 IQ or whatever nonsense I wouldn't accuse them of being in thrall to a religious cult.

olevetonahill
8/23/2008, 04:40 AM
I own 3
I know that cause I aint all Flusterd tryin to be Be Prez :)