What do you think about 18 year old drinking age proposal ???

[Soonerus]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,405766,00.html

[Vaevictis]

If you're old enough to have a firearm, vote, or serve in the military, you're old enough to have a drink.

If you can be trusted with the first three, surely you can be trusted with the last.

[Soonerus]

If you can be trusted to bet in an indian casino then...

[Okla-homey]

I think it's a fine idea. Could cut down on binge drinking by kids.

I was legal to drink in 1978 at 18 and it didn't hurt me none.

[Boomer.....]

If you're old enough to have a firearm, vote, or serve in the military, you're old enough to have a drink.

If you can be trusted with the first three, surely you can be trusted with the last.

I agree. Like Homey said, countries with lower drinking ages have less drinkers and binge drinking.

[Okla-homey]

And decriminalize possession and use of weed while they're at it. sheesh.

The fact that pot remains illegal is among the most retarded facts about American life.

[85Sooner]

I agree. Like Homey said, countries with lower drinking ages have less drinkers and binge drinking.

But they enforce their intoxication laws to the T. If we will do that then go for it.

[Fraggle145]

I've always thought this should be the case... if you can fight for the country and vote for its leasders then you should be responsible enough to drink a beer.

IMO this shifts the responsibility off of the University presidents and back where it belongs... to the parents. The less drinking is treated as a big deal the less of a big deal it becomes.

[sooner n houston]

Yea, we need more drunk teenagers on the roads for sure!

[Okla-homey]

Yea, we need more drunk teenagers on the roads for sure!


because the 21 y/o drinking age is doing a superb job keeping them off the roads now.:rolleyes:

[StoopTroup]

Legalize drinking for age 14 and above.

Allow 16 year old kids to drive any vehicle as long as a licensed driver over 21 is in the car.

16 - 21 years old can drive low horsepower vehicles with with speed govenors during daylight hours only. A School ID and or a Workplace ID is required to obtain and maintain a valid permit.

Get caught driving while Intoxicated? No License till age 25. DUI School, Community Service doing Road Rehabilitation. If Physically unable to do roadwork....no license ever. All fines and penalties levied against offenders must be paid before any license can be issued. A 10 PERCENT INCREASE OF YOUR FINE WILL BE ACCESSED PER YEAR UNTIL YOUR FINES ARE PAID IN FULL.. NO EXCEPTIONS.

All fees, fines and tax money collected or diverted are for the sole purpose of Local Street repairs.

Feel free to make your own rules here...I'm just shooting from the hip here.... :D

[yermom]

well, DUI is a pretty serious problem even after 25 though...

[stoops the eternal pimp]

I would have been more in favor of it 14 years ago when I was 18

my prediction: LARGEST TURNOUT OF YOUNG VOTERS EVER if they ever voted on it

[soonersn20xx]

I think the maturity level between 18 to 21 is small, either way it should be raised to 26 or go ahead and drop it to 18.

If you're a dumass at 18 you will probably still be one at 21, just saying. ;)

[NormanPride]

Yeah, either raise it to 23-25 or just drop it to 18 like the others.

[C&CDean]

And decriminalize possession and use of weed while they're at it. sheesh.

The fact that pot remains illegal is among the most retarded facts about American life.

Says the guy who has never smoked the ****.

Personally, I'd like to see stiffer laws on pot possession. I have extensive experience in the use of this drug, have extensive experience with loved ones who regularly use this drug, and have come to abhor the **** with a passion bordering on violence. Seriously.

Pot takes intelligent, energetic, positive, great people and slowly turns them into barely functioning embiciles who continue to plod their way through life making poor decision after poor decision. And the worst part? They think they've got their **** together. It's beyond sad to watch potheads "function" their way through life.

Pot has slowly wasted tens of thousands of American's lives. I guess the silver lining is that they don't know it and don't care.

And yes, I'm all for lowering the drinking age to 18. They're going to drink anyhow, and it doesn't make sense to make a person legally an "adult" in every other facet except this one.

[badger]

I would have been more in favor of it 14 years ago when I was 18

my prediction: LARGEST TURNOUT OF YOUNG VOTERS EVER if they ever voted on it

Good point! Make it a four-year renewal ballot initiative! There are many people that feel strongly about it and want this done, so have it put to a public vote, then make the voters vote on it every four years!

Thus, higher turnout and get young people voting early on! :D

...seriously though, there needs to be limits on this for teh younger peoples. Like a graduated driver's license, except for drinking. Drinking classes for 18-year-olds might be fun and informative, too.

I also don't think that this will change the campus laws regarding alcohol consumption.

Upon violation of drinking rules, perhaps it would be a good idea to prohibit them from drinking again until age 21. You know, like a breathalyzer on a car. You screwed up, so now we're going to make sure you don't screw up again for a period of time until we can trust you to do the right thing.

[soonermix]

i agree that they should lower the drinking age to 18.

the kids that really want to drink are going to find a way to do it anyways. i know i didn't have too much of a problem on getting drunk under the age of 21. i just couldn't do it at a bar.

[Okla-homey]

Says the guy who has never smoked the ****.

Personally, I'd like to see stiffer laws on pot possession. I have extensive experience in the use of this drug, have extensive experience with loved ones who regularly use this drug, and have come to abhor the **** with a passion bordering on violence. Seriously.

Pot takes intelligent, energetic, positive, great people and slowly turns them into barely functioning embiciles who continue to plod their way through life making poor decision after poor decision. And the worst part? They think they've got their **** together. It's beyond sad to watch potheads "function" their way through life.

Pot has slowly wasted tens of thousands of American's lives. I guess the silver lining is that they don't know it and don't care.



Dean,

These same arguments can be made about beer, but we don't fire or put people in jail who get caught drinking it in their free time.

[Fraggle145]

Good point! Make it a four-year renewal ballot initiative! There are many people that feel strongly about it and want this done, so have it put to a public vote, then make the voters vote on it every four years!

Thus, higher turnout and get young people voting early on! :D

I'd buy this.


...seriously though, there needs to be limits on this for teh younger peoples. Like a graduated driver's license, except for drinking. Drinking classes for 18-year-olds might be fun and informative, too.

On a side note, personally, I think that driver's license should be restricted until you are 18.


I also don't think that this will change the campus laws regarding alcohol consumption.

I dont think there would be any need for dry campus laws then...


Upon violation of drinking rules, perhaps it would be a good idea to prohibit them from drinking again until age 21. You know, like a breathalyzer on a car. You screwed up, so now we're going to make sure you don't screw up again for a period of time until we can trust you to do the right thing.

If it were possible to not let them drink again till they were 21 I'd agree... However, if kids want to drink they'll drink I know I did and if everyone they know can get beer then it wont be too hard. However it may be possible to remove their driving privileges...

[stoops the eternal pimp]

I wish there wasn't any drinking laws..I m sure a shot of whiskey would help my kids sleep better at night

[C&CDean]

Dean,

These same arguments can be made about beer, but we don't fire or put people in jail who get caught drinking it in their free time.

No they can't.

I will agree that alcohol has devastated many more lives over the long haul than weed. However, if you are a responsible drinker, you can still succeed in all aspects of life. What booze doesn't do (to the casual drinker) is keep them under the influence for days/weeks at a time. Pot doesn't keep you "high" for that long either, however, what it does do is negatively impact your decision making abilities, drive, motivation, and many other things for long periods of time.

Your opinion on this matter is based on being on the outside looking in. My opinion is based on being on the inside for most of my life. Your perspective is seriously clouded because of all the smoke you're trying to peer through, and it's also the hip, groovy and cool thing to go around spouting "pot doesn't hurt a thing and it should be legal."

Weed slowly; almost imperceptibly, kills the person. One brain cell at a time. It's ****ing insidious and I hate the **** with a passion.

[yermom]

Dean, while that might be true in a lot of cases, it's still not a reason for it to be illegal, IMO

sounds like a good reason to tell your kids not to do it...

you know, the world needs ditch diggers too ;)

[badger]

As a form of addiction, there should be restrictive measures in place to ensure that consumption is limited. Like...

1- Excessive state, federal and local taxes upon purchase (cigarettes, tobacco)

2- Restrictive entrance and the right to refuse service to anyone deemed to be out of control (casinos, gambling).

3- Making it illegal with few exceptions in cases of medical need (drugs such as weed, meth, crack, etc).

And yes, there is a medical need for alcohol in some situations - like cough medicine, for example.

So, since we have three examples, let's make it three strikes, shall we? If you are under 18, you will have an added privilege tax placed on alcohol purchase to fund alcohol education initiatives for 18-21 year olds, as well as to fund added police protection against "underage" drunk driving.

Second, if you are caught DUI'ing or being publicly intoxicated or giving alcohol to minors, etc., you will have restricted access to purchasing alcohol. This can be accomplished through special licenses or other forms of documentation that alcohol sales places usually check already to make sure you're legal.

Finally, if you just can't get the message that alcohol can be dangerous when not consumed responsibly, you lose your consumption privileges, except for medically (cough medicine already tastes bad anyways). There should be huge penalties for violations, such as loss of driving privileges, jail time, fines, etc.

[Okla-homey]

Your opinion on this matter is based on being on the outside looking in. My opinion is based on being on the inside for most of my life. Your perspective is seriously clouded because of all the smoke you're trying to peer through, and it's also the hip, groovy and cool thing to go around spouting "pot doesn't hurt a thing and it should be legal."

Weed slowly; almost imperceptibly, kills the person. One brain cell at a time. It's ****ing insidious and I hate the **** with a passion.

All I know is this. Someone whom I've known for 25 years and with whom I have regular contact smokes weed every day; Eye-opener J on waking; usually burns one at lunchtime; and has another in the evening. He has made a fine life for himself and his family owning and running a legitimate business in a pretty competive market. Now, unless he's the rare exception, I don't see the harm.

[Sooner_Havok]

All I know is this. Someone whom I've known for 25 years and with whom I have regular contact smokes weed every day; Eye-opener J on waking; usually burns one at lunchtime; and has another in the evening. He has made a fine life for himself and his family owning and running a legitimate business in a pretty competive market. Now, unless he's the rare exception, I don't see the harm.

Plus, Dean seemed to turn out pretty good.

No offense Dean, but unless you are a very special person (and you are in some ways;) ), I don't see why others "in the cloud of smoke" couldn't step out like you did.

[yermom]

oh, Dean's special alright...

[sooner_born_1960]

But, that's the point. Dean did step out. Otherwise he'd be a worthless f**ktard.

[picasso]

I think it's a fine idea. Could cut down on binge drinking by kids.

I was legal to drink in 1978 at 18 and it didn't hurt me none.


seems like when the age was lower in my hometown type area, there were a lot more car accidents and stuff.

just sayin.

[SoonerBBall]

All I know is this. Someone whom I've known for 25 years and with whom I have regular contact smokes weed every day; Eye-opener J on waking; usually burns one at lunchtime; and has another in the evening. He has made a fine life for himself and his family owning and running a legitimate business in a pretty competive market. Now, unless he's the rare exception, I don't see the harm.

Do you even know one other pot smoker like this?

Now flip that around. Do you know pot smokers like Dean was talking about? Absolutely.

[sooneron]

The only reason why pot is illegal is because the UD gub'ment cannot figure out a way to regulate it and tax it. Anyone can grow it- it is a weed after all. The number of people that I know that suffer from what Dean describes is below being equal to the people that I know that have had booze soil their lives. And I know a lot of pot smokers. So that long haul thing doesn't really hold up.

I am ok with the drinking level being lowered. I would prefer that it not be an age where someone is probably still in HS. I was 19 when texas raised their's from 19-21. Nineteen seems like a good age to me.

[picasso]

All I know is this. Someone whom I've known for 25 years and with whom I have regular contact smokes weed every day; Eye-opener J on waking; usually burns one at lunchtime; and has another in the evening. He has made a fine life for himself and his family owning and running a legitimate business in a pretty competive market. Now, unless he's the rare exception, I don't see the harm.

whoa, I know some full time weeders who have zero brain power left. one of them has to have a toke just to leave the house.

[Frozen Sooner]

No they can't.

I will agree that alcohol has devastated many more lives over the long haul than weed. However, if you are a responsible drinker, you can still succeed in all aspects of life. What booze doesn't do (to the casual drinker) is keep them under the influence for days/weeks at a time. Pot doesn't keep you "high" for that long either, however, what it does do is negatively impact your decision making abilities, drive, motivation, and many other things for long periods of time.

Your opinion on this matter is based on being on the outside looking in. My opinion is based on being on the inside for most of my life. Your perspective is seriously clouded because of all the smoke you're trying to peer through, and it's also the hip, groovy and cool thing to go around spouting "pot doesn't hurt a thing and it should be legal."

Weed slowly; almost imperceptibly, kills the person. One brain cell at a time. It's ****ing insidious and I hate the **** with a passion.


By your own admission you lived in a pot haze for years. Why should we trust your admittedly impaired judgment? ;)

[olevetonahill]

Lower to 18 Only If they show Military ID ;)

[r5TPsooner]

If you're old enuff to die for your country serving it, you should be able to enjoy an adult beverage anytime you want to.

[soonersn20xx]

Lower to 18 Only If they show Military ID ;)

That's not half a bad idea, might be the draw to get enlistment back up. ;)

[C&CDean]

All I know is this. Someone whom I've known for 25 years and with whom I have regular contact smokes weed every day; Eye-opener J on waking; usually burns one at lunchtime; and has another in the evening. He has made a fine life for himself and his family owning and running a legitimate business in a pretty competive market. Now, unless he's the rare exception, I don't see the harm.

Your stoner pal is the absolute exception to the rule. Besides, if he wasn't stoned all the time, he'd probably be the next Bill Gates.

I was "making it" when I was a wastoid. I had kids, paid the bills, had a good job, coached the little league, etc. I just wasn't making it. There's a huge difference in so many aspects of my life between then and now it's incredible.

Evidence:

When I was a stoner I had 0 sick leave hours and 0 annual leave hours pretty much all the time.

Today, I have almost 2 years of sick leave and over 500 hours of annual leave on the books.

I have tripled my salary since I quit smoking. Still working for the same company.

I own a ranch, and all the $100'sK equipment it takes to run a ranch. I run over 50 head of black angus cattle, I custom bale hay, custom harvest pecans, travel extensively, and have a very comfy retirement looking me in the face in 3 years, 11 months, and 14 days. I have a mortgage, one truck payment, and a tractor payment. Not a dime in credit card debt.

When I was a stoner, I owned a house, a truck, and was content to come home, do a bong, and sit and watch reruns of MASH whilst eating Doritos and PB&J sammiches. I had balances at every damn Sears/Penneys/Dillards/MC/Visa/etc. at about 20% interest.

I could go on and on, but I think you get the point.

[yermom]

you don't need weed, or beer for that matter to be in that situation

[Howzit]

Dean, I get the point, but does that mean it should be illegal?

I agree with Homey. Are you better off not smoking? Yes. does it make sense as a society to pay for policing/prosecuting/incarceration? I say no.

[badger]

If you're old enuff to die for your country serving it, you should be able to enjoy an adult beverage anytime you want to.

I agree - enlistment bonus now does not just include money! You also get the privilege of drinking alcohol upon enlistment! :D

An active military ID can be sufficient proof necessary to buy alcohol legally.

[LosAngelesSooner]

Says the guy who has never smoked the ****.

Personally, I'd like to see stiffer laws on pot possession. I have extensive experience in the use of this drug, have extensive experience with loved ones who regularly use this drug, and have come to abhor the **** with a passion bordering on violence. Seriously.

Pot takes intelligent, energetic, positive, great people and slowly turns them into barely functioning embiciles who continue to plod their way through life making poor decision after poor decision. And the worst part? They think they've got their **** together. It's beyond sad to watch potheads "function" their way through life.

Pot has slowly wasted tens of thousands of American's lives. I guess the silver lining is that they don't know it and don't care.

And yes, I'm all for lowering the drinking age to 18. They're going to drink anyhow, and it doesn't make sense to make a person legally an "adult" in every other facet except this one.
Pot is harmless and should be legalized.

:pop:

[picasso]

So is masturbating.

Sincerely,

Joycelyn Elders





and Howzie Poo

[Howzit]

So is masturbating.

Sincerely,

Joycelyn Elders





and Howzie Poo

And masturbating is not illegal.





right?

[picasso]

it's not? I've been arrested many a time.

lyin *** cops.

[olevetonahill]

it's not? I've been arrested many a time.

lyin *** cops.

You can spin your Own Propeller Just not in Publik:eek:

[Howzit]

it's not? I've been arrested many a time.

lyin *** cops.

That's because you were standing by the elementary school playground.

[LosAngelesSooner]

Thread...JACKED!!!!!!

[picasso]

That's because you were standing by the elementary school playground.
actually I was watching womens shot put at the Ohhlympics.

[olevetonahill]

Thread...JACKED!!!!!!

Sides mastubaiting thats what we do best :D

[bonkuba]

Lower to 18 Only If they show Military ID ;)


Winner!!!:D

[tulsaoilerfan]

If you're old enough to have a firearm, vote, or serve in the military, you're old enough to have a drink.

If you can be trusted with the first three, surely you can be trusted with the last.

I agree, and it's not like 18 yr olds can't get alcohol if they really want it

[MR2-Sooner86]

I'm all for dropping the drinking age to 18. If you can get drafted and go to war, you can have a beer. That's it. End of discussion.

Now as for this little pot debate that rose up...

This is Penn and Teller's show Bull**** from Showtime and the episode is on the War on Drugs. It's NSFW due to the language but they do raise some good points. Here are parts 1, 2, and 3 in order.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEyKAzXqVkA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbI6HbOSTgE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leg3_gcE3p8&feature=related

Also after watching the Bull**** videos I found out about this guy as they interview him in part 3...

http://www.usatoday.com/money/workplace/2007-04-16-medical-marijuana-usat_N.htm


On a typical weekday, stockbroker Irvin Rosenfeld has a marijuana cigarette before work, then goes to his firm's smoking area for another after he gets to the office. By day's end, he usually has smoked more than a half-dozen joints — and handled millions of dollars' in clients' holdings.
There's nothing illegal about it. Rosenfeld, 54, of Fort Lauderdale, has a condition that causes benign tumors in the long bones of his body. After trying to control pain by taking narcotics such as Dilaudid, he persuaded the U.S. government to put him in a test program that gives marijuana to people with certain illnesses. His pain is now manageable, he says.

"I've smoked 10 to 12 marijuana cigarettes a day for 25 years," says Rosenfeld, adding he gets no euphoric effect from the drug. "All my clients know I use it. Without it, I wouldn't be able to work." His firm, Newbridge Securities, supports his use of marijuana and says it hasn't hurt his performance.



Yup that's right folks. Mr. Rosenfeld here handles stocks and gets pot from good old Uncle Sam.

Let the debate continue... :pop:

[olevetonahill]

I disagree with Ya MR2
If a young person has MIlitary ID then Hell Yea , But we dont DRAFT anymore
Just cause something CAN happen dont Work for me .
Its simple Ya wanta drink when your 18 Join the Military or wait till yer 21
Nuff said

[GottaHavePride]

I'm in favor of dropping the drinking age to 18.

Think about it - what was one of the worst ideas we ever had as a country? Prohibition.

Making alcohol the one thing that isn't legal until 21 makes it a big deal to kids. And so when they drink underage, they tend to go overboard to show how "cool" they are, breaking the law. Drop the drinking age and all of a sudden the reaction is "ooh, you had a beer. So what? It's legal, isn't it?"

Europe's drinking ages are far lower than over here, and they tend to have a lot fewer alcohol-related problems than we do. Of course, it's also MUCH more difficult to get a driver's license in most European countries.

[MR2-Sooner86]

I disagree with Ya MR2
If a young person has MIlitary ID then Hell Yea , But we dont DRAFT anymore
Just cause something CAN happen dont Work for me .
Its simple Ya wanta drink when your 18 Join the Military or wait till yer 21
Nuff said

From what I understand that pretty much happens. True it's not legal but I've heard from plenty of 18 year old military guys I know that went into bars, flashed their ID and they got to drink. Hell a couple said they got a drink on the house. Guess it just depends on where you go.

[olevetonahill]

From what I understand that pretty much happens. True it's not legal but I've heard from plenty of 18 year old military guys I know that went into bars, flashed their ID and they got to drink. Hell a couple said they got a drink on the house. Guess it just depends on where you go.

But It still aint legal. Back In 68 I was 18 heading to Nam I was able to get drunk about anywhere I went , But It still wasnt legal:D

[olevetonahill]

Remember me saying about My Little Buddy who went to Iraq as a Tank driver ?He went at 18 came Home 19
Our Local Chief Of PoPos was standing In my shop when Troy Came in . I popped a top and Handed it to Him . He took it But looked at Larry side ways . I said Gonna be a hell Of a Fight If anythings said ;)