I've laid off politics for a bit, but this is interesting

[Okla-homey]

My mom and step-dad are up this weekend. Both life-long Carter Co. yellow dog dems. Neither are voting for BHO because they think he's a muslim. I did my best to convince them he's not a muslim, but they ain't buying it.

There ya go.

[JohnnyMack]

I'm sure you worked real hard at it.

[Jerk]

Funny, I do the same thing...you'd think I wouldn't say a word and let people believe. But it's a lot easier to prove that Obama is a Marxist rather than a Muslim. Especially when you look at who he has associated with.

[King Crimson]

c'mon jerk. "Marxist"?

Socialist wasn't good enough, so we got to step up?

[JohnnyMack]

"Muslim" is a lot scarier concept to the masses than "Marxist". At least it is here in Oklahoma.

[Jerk]

Why not?

Marx is the founder of the modern leftist movement.

I wouldn't be afraid of it. I'd embrace it. Let everyone know who you are.

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/2289
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/2289

Power to the people!!!!!!!

[King Crimson]

Karl Marx was the founder of modern labor movements, and was among the first (along with Max Weber) to see "capitalism" as a social/economic principle that was changing the economies in Europe.

he thought that capitalism produced social inequalities.

the Lefties in America have very little to do with Marx or Weber as theorists. it's more about the welfare state politics. it's only Cold War leftovers that call it Marxist or Socialist. or: political invective.

[Jerk]

Karl Marx was the founder of modern labor movements, and was among the first (along with Max Weber) to see "capitalism" as a social/economic principle that was changing the economies in Europe.

he thought that capitalism produced social inequalities.

the Lefties in America have very little to do with Marx or Weber as theorists. it's more about the welfare state politics. it's only Cold War leftovers that call it Marxist or Socialist. or: political invective.

http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/uploaded_images/Gen%20Jack%20Ripper-705565.jpg

[Okla-homey]

Why not?

Jesus Christ is the founder of the modern leftist movement.


Power to the people!!!!!!!


fixed it.

[Jerk]

Then why did the Soviet Union fail, homey? That could have been the 1000 year reign!

[Okla-homey]

Then why did the Soviet Union fail, homey? That could have been the 1000 year reign!

There is a great deal of irony in the fact Marxism embraces atheism, yet Christ's earthly ministry involved meeting peoples' physical needs regardless of their nationality or background.

[Flagstaffsooner]

c'mon jerk. "Marxist"?

Socialist wasn't good enough, so we got to step up?Leninist would be better.http://rosenblumtv.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/lenin.jpg

[King Crimson]

oh c'mon, you honks are making this too easy:

Homey's idea of leadership and "the noble lie" are not far more Leninist....the vanguard party, the neocons.

[Scott D]

and by awhile homey means 30 seconds.

[JohnnyMack]

There is a great deal of irony in the fact Marxism embraces atheism, yet Christ's earthly ministry involved meeting peoples' physical needs regardless of their nationality or background.

Atheism and capitalism aren't mutually exclusive.

[SoonerStormchaser]

Yah...but matter and anti-matter are

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

There is a great deal of irony in the fact Marxism embraces atheism, yet Christ's earthly ministry involved meeting peoples' physical needs regardless of their nationality or background.Christ didn't preach coercion, as far as I know. Governments that feature redistribution of wealth require it. Large difference between voluntarily giving and not-so-voluntarily.

[Okla-homey]

Christ didn't preach coercion, as far as I know. Governments that feature redistribution of wealth require it. Large difference between voluntarily giving and not-so-voluntarily.

You are correct. "Render unto Caesar" and all that. But, He did seek to meet folks' physical needs. That was what the healings and mass feeding was all about.

My point is merely that Marxist dogma holds that religion is a means for the bourgoisie to retain power because the Church validated and endorsed the status quo social order, including most famously the "divine right of kings." That led to KM declaring religion the "opiate of the masses."

However, first century Christians were comparitively socialistic in practice. First century churches were essentially communal communities populated by folks who didn't really give a flip who was in charge of the secular government.

[Chuck Bao]

I got the same thing, Homey, when I was home in Marshall Co. My mom and sister will not vote for Obama because someone told them that he is Muslim. I also gave up trying to convince them otherwise.

I also want to know why two intelligent and well-educated people can cling to such an obvious misconception.

[Okla-homey]

I got the same thing, Homey, when I was home in Marshall Co. My mom and sister will not vote for Obama because someone told them that he is Muslim. I also gave up trying to convince them otherwise.

I also want to know why two intelligent and well-educated people can cling to such an obvious misconception.

the only thing I can think of is the fact that everyone with a name like Barack Hussein Obama is normally, usually, generally a muslim.

I honestly don't think he is. I think his pop was muslim, and I think he was exposed to that faith, but I accept the fact BHO says he accepted Christ, just like anyone else who does so is a Christian according to my belief system -- even if he was formerlly Grand Exalted Poo-bah of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

[Tulsa_Fireman]

Can I still call him poopface, Christian OR Muslim?

[Okla-homey]

Can I still call him poopface, Christian OR Muslim?

oh yeah. absotively.;)

[Tulsa_Fireman]

Good.

Obammer-rammer-jammer is a dirty muslim poopface.

Ooooh, that'd make an awesome fark.

[reevie]

Homey -
If they're not voting for Obama, are they voting for McCain or staying at home?

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Homey -
If they're not voting for Obama, are they voting for McCain or staying at home?Passion against a Socialist president can run pretty deep!

[Chuck Bao]

Passion against a Socialist president can run pretty deep!

My mom and sis would normally vote pro-education and pro-Democrat. So, that's not it. I think the issue is a "us versus them" and this idea and feeling tends to stick.

They have the idea that Obama is "them" and not "us" and that idea is hard to change. It isn't racist. It isn't ideology. I mean he's half Kansas.

I don't know. Maybe your stink up the opposition works.

[mdklatt]

Yellow Dog Democrats are actually confused Republicans.

[Jerk]

Libertarians are actually Republicans who like to smoke pot.

[Jerk]

Communists are liberals....with balls.

[Chuck Bao]

Wide stance Republicans are those caught in an airport washroom trying to make out with someone in the adjacent stall.

[Rogue]

3 ladies in the offices next to me believe he's a Muslim, too.
It just flies all over me that they believe this.

What's more, in the land of religious freedom, that this would be a reason for them to vote or not vote for someone. We're not selecting a Sunday School teacher or a freakin' plate-passer, we're selecting a professional politician. So, of all the politicians that we don't believe most of what they say, THIS politically expedient fact...their publicly stated religion...is what matters most?
Marx wasn't far off about the opiate dealio, IMO.

[Tulsa_Fireman]

Why not?

Ain't that why we have an electoral college?

[tommieharris91]

Wide stance Republicans are those caught in an airport washroom trying to make out with someone in the adjacent stall.

I thought these were log cabin Republicans... :confused:

[mdklatt]

I thought these were log cabin Republicans... :confused:

Log cabins don't generally have a closet....

:D

[Curly Bill]

3 ladies in the offices next to me believe he's a Muslim, too.
It just flies all over me that they believe this.


I think some of this comes from a sense that there's a lot about this guy we just don't know. I share that feeling, that there are things about him, perhaps not good things, that he's kept hidden.

I do not think he's a Muslim.

[Rogue]

Why not?

Ain't that why we have an electoral college?

Oh I understand wanting to be represented by the person most like yourself/myself I suppose. I find it pretty ironic that every person I know firmly believes that politicians lie, but let an unprovable thing like the person saying s/he believes in the same religion as you do be the deciding factor in whether or not to hire them. And believe that the guy is telling the truth about THAT little gem.

I'm not at all in favor or the EC and rant about it every other year or so. As one among the unwashed masses, I know that I can be as informed as I want to be. Or as uninformed. And vote either way. It just confuses me as to how uninformed so many folks are that go out and vote anyway. And yes, thinking BHO is a Muslim, is being really uninformed. Unless you count being informed as based on your reading comprehension of your SPAM email and forwarded doo-dads on the innerweb.

[Chuck Bao]

I thought these were log cabin Republicans... :confused:

They can log into whatever cabin they want. I'm not judging them.

But, there is no doubt that they have a little tougher time in trying to sell Republican fiscal responsibility.

[Tulsa_Fireman]

Oh I understand wanting to be represented by the person most like yourself/myself I suppose. I find it pretty ironic that every person I know firmly believes that politicians lie, but let an unprovable thing like the person saying s/he believes in the same religion as you do be the deciding factor in whether or not to hire them. And believe that the guy is telling the truth about THAT little gem.

I'm not at all in favor or the EC and rant about it every other year or so. As one among the unwashed masses, I know that I can be as informed as I want to be. Or as uninformed. And vote either way. It just confuses me as to how uninformed so many folks are that go out and vote anyway. And yes, thinking BHO is a Muslim, is being really uninformed. Unless you count being informed as based on your reading comprehension of your SPAM email and forwarded doo-dads on the innerweb.

I can see how it may get your hackles up, and it does mine as well. But in all honesty, so what?

Isn't that the beauty of freedom? I can be a nose picking retard and because I'm a citizen of this grand experiment, my voice is equal to yours as uninformed as it may be? Isn't it beautiful that I can be free to think what I want, regardless of how uninformed it may be? Regardless of how silly some intellectual, financial, or aristocratic elite may think it is?

I'm not voting for John McCain because he's old. Sweet! It's all good. Your vote is your vote, as uninformed as it may be.

I'm not voting for Barack Obammer Lammer because he's black/muslim/can shoot the three. Awesome! Your vote is your vote, as uninformed as it may be.

I'm not voting for Ralph Nader because he's a frickin' moonbat whose efforts make me plow through 47 safety guards to change a blade on a damn lawnmower. ... ... ...

Yeah, I'm not voting for Ralph Nader, he's an idiot, and that's pretty dang informed. ;)

[Frozen Sooner]

3 ladies in the offices next to me believe he's a Muslim, too.
It just flies all over me that they believe this.

What's more, in the land of religious freedom, that this would be a reason for them to vote or not vote for someone. We're not selecting a Sunday School teacher or a freakin' plate-passer, we're selecting a professional politician. So, of all the politicians that we don't believe most of what they say, THIS politically expedient fact...their publicly stated religion...is what matters most?
Marx wasn't far off about the opiate dealio, IMO.

I can understand why people tend to vote for people with "acceptable" religions.

1. Supposedly, someone's religion tells you something about what they believe. Instead of figuring out where someone stands on an issue or how good their judgment is by investigating their history or statements, you can just say "Hey, he's a (whatever) so I'm sure he'll be guided by (whatever) to the right decision."

2. Organized religion is tribalism of a sort. People are set up naturally to support those of their tribe against people from another tribe.

While it's not something I consider as a rational argument, it's better than some I've heard-and that doesn't exclude people I've heard supporting my candidate of choice.

And gee, I can't imagine why anyone would think that Barack Obama is a Muslim, considering there was a fairly widespread attempt to paint him as one. I can't remember ANYONE on here misinterpreting Shari'a to claim that he was technically a Muslim.

[SouthFortySooner]

my grandfather is not voting for him because he's black. i'm trying to convince him he's not. :rolleyes:

[SicEmBaylor]

oh c'mon, you honks are making this too easy:

Homey's idea of leadership and "the noble lie" are not far more Leninist....the vanguard party, the neocons.

Please take your Trotskyites back. ;)
Plzkthx

[soonerscuba]

I'm voting for Obama because he's a black Muslim, this country is getting boring, and I imagine Sec. State Farrakan will spice things up a bit.

[mdklatt]

I imagine Ambassador Farrakan, envoy to Israel will spice things up a bit.

Fixed! :D

[JohnnyMack]

I want a pragmatic atheist elected potus. Someone who'll put the country first and <Han Solo>hokey religions</Han Solo> second.

[soonerscuba]

I want a pragmatic atheist elected potus.
And I want a crack at Salma Hayek, but some things just ain't in the cards.

[Okla-homey]

Homey -
If they're not voting for Obama, are they voting for McCain or staying at home?

Mom is conidering writing in HRC, but step dad is definitely voting JSM.

[Ike]

Oh I understand wanting to be represented by the person most like yourself/myself I suppose. I find it pretty ironic that every person I know firmly believes that politicians lie, but let an unprovable thing like the person saying s/he believes in the same religion as you do be the deciding factor in whether or not to hire them. And believe that the guy is telling the truth about THAT little gem.

I'm not at all in favor or the EC and rant about it every other year or so. As one among the unwashed masses, I know that I can be as informed as I want to be. Or as uninformed. And vote either way. It just confuses me as to how uninformed so many folks are that go out and vote anyway. And yes, thinking BHO is a Muslim, is being really uninformed. Unless you count being informed as based on your reading comprehension of your SPAM email and forwarded doo-dads on the innerweb.

Are you saying that there are LIES on the INTERNETS?!?!? O. M. G.