Be careful what you say here

[Paperclip]

This is crap.

http://newsok.com/message-board-operator-objects-to-supboena/article/3283533/?tm=1218746798


By Tony Thornton
Staff Writer
McALESTER — An Internet message board administrator today filed a formal objection to a subpoena ordering him to surrender information about people who posted on his site.

Meanwhile, McAlester police confirmed the subpoena is part of a criminal libel investigation for comments critical of District Attorney Jim Miller.

It remained unclear today who authorized the investigation, which apparently targets a Web site called the McAlester Watercooler (mccooler.net) and its administrator, Harold King.

King said two police detectives delivered the subpoena to him Tuesday. The subpoena orders King to supply by Saturday the names, addresses and other identifiers for 35 people who posted under pseudonyms.

King's objection states that he won't comply because the subpoena doesn't state who authorized it. Therefore, he wrote, "I consider the subpoena to be invalid."

The objection automatically forestalls the requirement on King to deliver the documents.

Miller told the Tulsa World he considered some comments on the Watercooler to be libelous.

Oklahoma is among 16 states with criminal libel laws still on the books, according to the Student Press Law Center. Most recently, Utah abolished its law in 2007.

An openness-in-government expert today said the subpoena "smacks of intimidation."

"It's outrageous for a district attorney to investigate criminal libel for criticism made against him. ... If he believes he has been libeled, he should sue civilly," said Joey Senate, past president of Freedom of Information Oklahoma and an assistant professor of journalism at Oklahoma State University.

[Curly Bill]

We mostly libel each other on here, so we're probably good. :D

[soonersn20xx]

Without knowing what was said, it's hard to know if it's an intimidation tactic or legit.

[yermom]

now i'm glad i registered as Rusty Shackleford

[olevetonahill]

We mostly libel each other on here, so we're probably good. :D

Yea it aint like we Have time to pick on outsiders
when we Have setem , sicem and Buttercup:D

[KC//CRIMSON]

now i'm glad i registered as Rusty Shackleford

I'm posting as Lloyd Christmas using an air card from somewhere in Maine.

[Animal Mother]

Jesus, Mary and Joseph. Doesn't our state get enough bad pub without this sh!t for brains going off over internet postings?

Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me. But please don't throw sticks and stones.

[Curly Bill]

Yea it aint like we Have time to pick on outsiders
when we Have setem , sicem and Buttercup:D

...and we got them bunch of lefties to call Socialist and Commies and stuff like that. :D

[Chuck Bao]

Indeed.

Thailand is taking it a step further. As of Aug 23, all organizations, including Internet cafes, hotels, schools and private companies, will be required to keep a log of 90 days of internet traffic data so that the police can crack down on forwarding of porno pics and libelous posting on message boards.

This only makes sense only if the police already have the ISPs handing over home traffic data about users.

This is not a good idea.

http://www.bangkokpost.com/130808_News/13Aug2008_news11.php


From Aug 23, private firms, organisations and government agencies will be required to store all internet traffic data for 90 days so it is available as digital evidence for police. Pol Col Yannapol Youngyuen, commander of the Bureau of Technology and Cyber Crime at the Department of Special Investigation, said the IT Ministry order has no exceptions and will include banks, hotels, schools and internet cafes.

He said digital evidence gathered from computers is useful in tracking those engaged in cyber crime.

Cyber offences, ranging from email forwarding of pornographic pictures to posting libelous messages on forums, are on the rise, Pol Col Yannapol said, but police agencies find it hard to gather the evidence to bring the perpetrators to justice.

He said internet cafes will also be required to collect information to identify computer users, such as ID cards, time of logging in and sites visited. Shops that fail to heed the rules will face fines up to 500,000 baht (about US$17,000), he said.

[soonersn20xx]

Even if their identities are revealed, there seems to be to much assumption that an email address or someone giving a false name implicates otherwise innocent individuals.

I lost a job when a disgruntled employee spoofed my email address and sent a threatening letter to my boss. The company assumed my guilt based on simply my email address and was terminated almost immediately despite the fact I provided information that the email was bounced from some server in Ireland and had documentation from Yahoo that the email was not sent from their servers.

Local law enforcement wasn't interested in pursuing the person that perpetuated this b/c they had bigger fish to fry. And I was not in a financial position to hire a lawyer and fight this, so I am left with an employment history that is still haunting me. When speaking to perspective employers maybe I should just lie about this incident because when I try to explain this, their eyes seem to gloss over and maybe they're making the same assumption of guilt as my original employer did. So any constructive suggestions would be appreciated.

But the moral of this story in relation to the thread is, also be careful of what someone says pretending to be you on here.

[Paperclip]

Nice to know your password is safe. :mad:

[yermom]

Even if their identities are revealed, there seems to be to much assumption that an email address or someone giving a false name implicates otherwise innocent individuals.

I lost a job when a disgruntled employee spoofed my email address and sent a threatening letter to my boss. The company assumed my guilt based on simply my email address and was terminated almost immediately despite the fact I provided information that the email was bounced from some server in Ireland and had documentation from Yahoo that the email was not sent from their servers.

Local law enforcement wasn't interested in pursuing the person that perpetuated this b/c they had bigger fish to fry. And I was not in a financial position to hire a lawyer and fight this, so I am left with an employment history that is still haunting me. When speaking to perspective employers maybe I should just lie about this incident because when I try to explain this, their eyes seem to gloss over and maybe they're making the same assumption of guilt as my original employer did. So any constructive suggestions would be appreciated.

But the moral of this story in relation to the thread is, also be careful of what someone says pretending to be you on here.

you could send threatening emails to the prospective employer from your prospective employer's email :D

that sounds really ****ty. how long ago was that? i'd be working at getting that employer to back off on explaining why you no longer work there... it's pretty easy to prove that anyone can send mail as anyone else

the email headers should be the key there

[Tulsa_Fireman]

This is not a good idea.

http://www.bangkokpost.com/130808_Ne...008_news11.php

Bangkok.

heh heh heh.

http://planetlost.com/uploads/Beavis_and_Butthead_horror.png

[soonersn20xx]

that sounds really ****ty. how long ago was that? i'd be working at getting that employer to back off on explaining why you no longer work there... it's pretty easy to prove that anyone can send mail as anyone else

the email headers should be the key thereThis was about 4 years ago, and I think the dumbass IT guy for the company failed to explain to the boss because it made him look incompetent. I don't think the IT guy even thought about the email header information because I was the one that pointed it out to him in my defense to the company HR that I had not sent it.......he didn't even want to give me a copy of that falsified email.

But imagine, if you're an employer with 10 applications from equally qualified individuals and you see one with: Fired due to a spoofed threatening email, which stack do you think my application ends up in? Hire or do not hire.

I think I might be better off if I just say I quit from that job and don't give permission to contact the employer. Even though they represent almost 8 years of my employment history.

[mxATVracer10]

That employer cannot by law explain to your prospective employer the reason for termination. I believe all that can "legally" be released is hire/term dates and if you are eligible for re-hire....

[Hamhock]

That employer cannot by law explain to your prospective employer the reason for termination. .

what law?

[jkm, the stolen pifwafwi]

8 years? with one gig? wow. personally, i'm stretching it to stay on the same gig a year.

[yermom]

how about 11 :O

[jkm, the stolen pifwafwi]

i just don't see how you put up with the politics for that long. 6 month projects seem to be about the best amount of time for me. get in, deliver, get out, everyone is still happy...

[tommieharris91]

Even if their identities are revealed, there seems to be to much assumption that an email address or someone giving a false name implicates otherwise innocent individuals.

I lost a job when a disgruntled employee spoofed my email address and sent a threatening letter to my boss. The company assumed my guilt based on simply my email address and was terminated almost immediately despite the fact I provided information that the email was bounced from some server in Ireland and had documentation from Yahoo that the email was not sent from their servers.

Local law enforcement wasn't interested in pursuing the person that perpetuated this b/c they had bigger fish to fry. And I was not in a financial position to hire a lawyer and fight this, so I am left with an employment history that is still haunting me. When speaking to perspective employers maybe I should just lie about this incident because when I try to explain this, their eyes seem to gloss over and maybe they're making the same assumption of guilt as my original employer did. So any constructive suggestions would be appreciated.

But the moral of this story in relation to the thread is, also be careful of what someone says pretending to be you on here.

Tell Homey to take a look at this post and peem him any other pertinent info. If what you say is true, then this is a wrongful termination. No one deserves bad information like this on their resume.

[Hamhock]

Tell Homey to take a look at this post and peem him any other pertinent info. If what you say is true, then this is a wrongful termination. No one deserves bad information like this on their resume.

ambulance sirens in teh background...

[soonersn20xx]

Also, when I applied for my unemployment benefits my former employer did not contest it........meaning I didn't have to wait 8 weeks to start collecting. The state worker said they probably wouldn't because based on what I told him that my termination was not justifiable. And later received an official review in regards to my collection of benefits that is was not.

Another reason I didn't pursue this is because worker rights are so weak in Arkansas as well. In any case, I haven't really pursued any employment the last 2 years as I been going to school for an associates degree in computer networking.

I am just wondering since this is a completely different field and 4 years ago if I should just put down that I quit and the reason was conflict with management in my coming job interviews........i.e. how do I minimize any negativity with this part of my employent history?

(I apologize for the thread jacking, but in my short time here I realized how many smart people are here and this is really important to me.)

[Hamhock]

(...in my short time here I realized how many smart people are here ...)

BWAHAAHAAHAA

[Chuck Bao]

I'm not getting it.

More details about it would be a good thing for the rest of us to watch out for something similar.

Did someone hack into your email?

Or, did someone spoof your email (like everyone already knows that anyone can set up any email name that isn't already taken)?

Do you maintain proper password hygiene?

Why would you criticize the IT guy, because how can he verify the email sender?

How did you know the email was bounced off where ever?

Why are you still stressing about it?

The alternative of all emails monitored and recorded for 90 is more frightening, or not?

[soonersn20xx]

Did someone hack into your email? No, it was spoofed......pretending to be [email protected]

Do you maintain proper password hygiene? since it wasn't my actual email addy, this obviously doesn't matter.

Why would you criticize the IT guy, because how can he verify the email sender? because he hadn't even bothered to look at the email header information and do a IP lookup. And from what I heard, his lack of investigation did not help my case with the boss.

How did you know the email was bounced off where ever? IP lookup verified it came from a web server in Ireland, not Yahoo.

Why are you still stressing about it? because before I began school two years ago, I wouldn't even get call backs after application submissions to several job openings. And with me now soon to be graduating in Decemeber and looking for work, I wonder if it would be better to not even try to explain or even lie about the circumstances to avoid creating doubt in the prospective employer's mind about my employability.

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[Ike]

It's actually quite easy to spoof an email. You can put anything you want to in the "from" and "reply-to" fields. It never gets checked that thats actually you thats sending it.

Now, some clients will check that stuff. Gmail for instance allows you to send mail from a different address than your gmail address. However, in order to do so, you give them the address you want to use, and you have to verify that you own it by responding to an email they send to that address.

Other clients don't care so much.


I'm not getting it.

More details about it would be a good thing for the rest of us to watch out for something similar.

Did someone hack into your email?

Or, did someone spoof your email (like everyone already knows that anyone can set up any email name that isn't already taken)?

Do you maintain proper password hygiene?

Why would you criticize the IT guy, because how can he verify the email sender?

How did you know the email was bounced off where ever?

Why are you still stressing about it?

The alternative of all emails monitored and recorded for 90 is more frightening, or not?

[soonersn20xx]

It's actually quite easy to spoof an email.

Unfortunately, the people who were deciding my fate at the company could barely manage turning on a computer............so the concept was foreign to them and accepted the false email as gospel.

[SCOUT]

If they fired you for something you didn't do without properly looking into the matter, you may very well have a wrongful termination suit. However, Arkansas is an employment-at-will state so that could complicate things for you.

Now the reference issue is where you may have some recourse. If they are providing reference information that is inaccurate and it is having an adverse affect on your career, then this may be a case of defamation.

I thought this quote was good for this thread because I think it provides a nice synopsis on references.


References

A previous employer is free to provide any non-confidential information about a previous employee, as long as it's true and isn't provided to maliciously harm the employee. An employer, who provides false information that disparages the employee, may be liable for defamation. In order to avoid potential liability, many employers often refuse to comment on a past employee's job performance and confirm only dates of hire and separation, plus wage or salary information.

[soonersn20xx]

Now the reference issue is where you may have some recourse. If they are providing reference information that is inaccurate and it is having an adverse affect on your career, then this may be a case of defamation.
Thanx for the info.......

So the question is, how do I find out what they are saying about me when potential employers are contacting them. Any ideas?

[olevetonahill]

Thanx for the info.......

So the question is, how do I find out what they are saying about me when potential employers are contacting them. Any ideas?

Bug thier Office , Sheesh :rolleyes:

[KC//CRIMSON]

Thanx for the info.......

So the question is, how do I find out what they are saying about me when potential employers are contacting them. Any ideas?

By law HR departments are not allowed to give out any other information other than your length of employment. They can't give out any other information such as salary, personal info, or reason for separation. Whether it be from resignation or termination. (Hence, this is the reason your able to get your un-employment benefits to begin with)


Above everything, NEVER TELL THE PERSON INTERVIEWING YOU THAT YOU WERE FIRED. EVER. Never bring up this story about your fraud email. Bad idea. Real bad idea.

Just tell them you resigned for whatever reason and make it sound good.

Never bring ANYTHING negative to an interview or no one is going to hire you.

[Veritas]

By law HR departments are not allowed to give out any other information other than your length of employment. They can't give out any other information such as salary, personal info, or reason for separation. Whether it be from resignation or termination. (Hence, this is the reason your able to get your un-employment benefits to begin with.
KC is right, but most HR people don't follow these rules very well. HR folks aren't typically the brightest bulbs and usually give up more than they should if the person asking the questions is the least bit clever.

(I know this because I interrogate HR personnel regarding every potential hire).

[Soonerus]

I have been libeled so many times on here I've lost count...

[soonersn20xx]

Thanx guys, I really appreciate your input and will heed the advice.

[StoopTroup]

No piercings at your interview either. :D

Unless the job is in Austin...then you'll need to go out and get some.

[jkm, the stolen pifwafwi]

I have been libeled so many times on here I've lost count...

no, you've been labeled. there is a difference...

[olevetonahill]

no, you've been labeled. there is a difference...

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D

[jkm, the stolen pifwafwi]

By law HR departments are not allowed to give out any other information other than your length of employment. They can't give out any other information such as salary, personal info, or reason for separation. Whether it be from resignation or termination. (Hence, this is the reason your able to get your un-employment benefits to begin with)


Above everything, NEVER TELL THE PERSON INTERVIEWING YOU THAT YOU WERE FIRED. EVER. Never bring up this story about your fraud email. Bad idea. Real bad idea.

Just tell them you resigned for whatever reason and make it sound good.

Never bring ANYTHING negative to an interview or no one is going to hire you.

i think this is my biggest issue with staying at a job for a while - you forget how to interview. i have to interview for new projects every 6 months or so, and depending on the project and the people involved my interviews can last from 10 minutes to 8 hours.

[StoopTroup]

Which jobs usually turn out better?

The ones with 10 minute interviews or 8 hours?

[KC//CRIMSON]

i have to interview for new projects every 6 months or so, and depending on the project and the people involved my interviews can last from 10 minutes to 8 hours.

It just so happens I had a ninty minute "behavioral interview" yesterday. You know the type, "tell me about a time you, etc......" UGH! Talk about a brain squeezer, sitting in front of a small group of people and just getting drilled with question after question. Luckily, I've had a few of these in the past and knew what to expect. I totally pwnd that interview, and if I'm not offered a position after that performance, nothing will get me hired.;)

[jkm, the stolen pifwafwi]

Which jobs usually turn out better?

The ones with 10 minute interviews or 8 hours?

most of my gigs are the same - i just don't take any project.

my general rules are:

do i like the people i'm going to be working with?
can i semi-handle the responsibilities in the statement of work?
does the building they are in have a good cafeteria?
are there no texas or pokey state grads in my immediate command chain?

if i can answer yes to these, i'll take the project. i normally don't take extensions unless i really like the people i'm working with.

[jkm, the stolen pifwafwi]

It just so happens I had a ninty minute "behavioral interview" yesterday. You know the type, "tell me about a time you, etc......" UGH! Talk about a brain squeezer, sitting in front of a small group of people and just getting drilled with question after question. Luckily, I've had a few of these in the past and knew what to expect. I totally pwnd that interview, and if I'm not offered a position after that performance, nothing will get me hired.;)

ah yes, those were all the rage during the dotcom boom. you don't see them as much any more because they still don't help you screen people out. never forget the guy that passed all of the behaviorals with flying colors and then when i had to do his tech screen i noticed he was trying to take credit for a system i implemented. that poor aggie must have had some serious karma issues - you interview with a company in seattle and you claim to be an architect at a company most people outside of oklahoma have never heard of and the one person on the planet that can call you on it is doing your final screening...