Two Nebbish rasslers booted for gay porn posing

[Okla-homey]

:eek:

http://www.journalstar.com/huskerextra/husker_sports/doc48a20456ecc05930453575.txt

[SoonerStormchaser]

Go find your own thread to start ;) (http://www.soonerfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=117858)

[SanJoaquinSooner]

Is that the guy who beat Sam H. in the NCAA finals?

[OUDoc]

Only 2?

[C&CDean]

125 and 133 pounders? Do fags have "spinners" like us normal people do? If so, these cuties would have to qualify. Hell, I weigh damn near as much as both of them together.

[StoopTroup]

LMAO!

Where is Veritas...we need to know the real poop on all this. :D


Only 2?

[NormanPride]

Man, I wonder how all the people they've groped feel now?

[SoonerInKCMO]

Man, I wonder how all the people they've groped feel now?

Sexy?

[soonermix]

Man, I wonder how all the people they've groped feel now?

confused? but a little excited?

[Chuck Bao]

Good grief!

Of all of the stupid mistakes some student athletes make, sometimes illegal and criminal, this should be considered in context. I’m not condoning it, but who was the victim here?

And, how many times in far worse cases, at Nebraska no less, has the coach come out to apologize for any embarrassment to the athletic department, the university and fans like this time?

Okay, I got this part of the article.


NCAA athletes are not allowed to knowingly let pictures of themselves be used for commercial purposes. Athletes would be considered ineligible for competition if they accept any compensation or permit the use of their image to advertise, recommend or promote directly any commercial endeavor.

I also remember way, way back when Playboy was doing a spread on women of the Southwest Conference and the Baylor President, at that time, said that if there were any bare Bears, they wouldn’t be at Baylor any longer.

It seems that if they are representing their school or getting paid money for their celebrity status as a university athlete, then it is a big deal. I’m not getting the point about a wrestler having celebrity status, but I guess it could happen. I could see that the issue would be far worse if they were wearing or no so much wearing their Nebraska unis.

Speaking of the representing, I must admit that I really, really liked these old AD pics from 2005.

http://img5.ranchoweb.com/images/kanunu/ad1.jpg

http://img5.ranchoweb.com/images/kanunu/ad2.jpg

[Frozen Sooner]

Man, I wonder how all the people they've groped feel now?

Speaking as a former wrestler, I wouldn't care. I'm sure that there's others who would be freaked out that they might have caught gay cooties or something.

[soonermix]

Speaking as a former wrestler, I wouldn't care. I'm sure that there's others who would be freaked out that they might have caught gay cooties or something.

if you aren't freaked about catching them then you must have them :eek:

[Frozen Sooner]

Meh. Gay cooties are too busy grooming themselves and working out to bite me anyhow.

[LosAngelesSooner]

Chuck makes a good point.

Kick your girlfriend's a$$ and throw her down a flight of stairs? Coach will stand up for you and apologize while allowing you to remain on the team.

Let some nudie photos of you (not engaging in any sexual acts) appear on a website? YOU'RE KICKED OFF THE TEAM AND OUT OF SCHOOL!!!!!!! (even though you were a National Champion in your weight class)

I think that's a TAD ridiculous.

Homophobia at its finest.

[Frozen Sooner]

One is against NCAA rules. The other is not.

Iowa's QB got in trouble a few years back for allowing his likeness to be used to promote a charity golf tournament.

A UAA basketball player had to stop appearing in commercials for his family's furniture store while he was an NCAA athlete-even though he had done so since he was 8.

[C&CDean]

Chuck makes a good point.

Kick your girlfriend's a$$ and throw her down a flight of stairs? Coach will stand up for you and apologize while allowing you to remain on the team.

Let some nudie photos of you (not engaging in any sexual acts) appear on a website? YOU'RE KICKED OFF THE TEAM AND OUT OF SCHOOL!!!!!!! (even though you were a National Champion in your weight class)

I think that's a TAD ridiculous.

Homophobia at its finest.

Please spare us on the homophobia crapola.

1. The bitch deserved it.:texan:

2. Being gay isn't the problem. Making money doing gay **** is.

3. I'm pretty sure the boys would be kicked out if they were doing straight porn for $$ too.

It ain't all about us phobics. Or phobios. Or phobholes. Or whatever the hell you call people who think doing the dirty with another boy is wrong.

[StoopTroup]

You'll be hard pressed to find a Nebraska Athlete doing straight porn.

[LosAngelesSooner]

Please spare us on the homophobia crapola.

1. The bitch deserved it.:texan:

2. Being gay isn't the problem. Making money doing gay **** is.

3. I'm pretty sure the boys would be kicked out if they were doing straight porn for $$ too.You don't really believe this. Their bros would be high fiving them and the university would find a way to quiet it down.


It ain't all about us phobics. Or phobios. Or phobholes. Or whatever the hell you call people who think doing the dirty with another boy is wrong.IN YOUR OPINION.

And your opinion on this issue shouldn't count for squat from a legal standpoint in the U.S.

This is all about them being gay. I seriously doubt any of the gay guys on that site joined because they heard a 133lb National Champion Nebraska Wrestler was gonna do some nudies. Their "celebrity" didn't help earn them any money. Their washboard abs and manly belly button peach fuzz did and they could have done that as a college wrestler or as a bookstore salesperson.

Nothing says that a college athlete can't earn money while they're at college. It says they can't use their celebrity or sport to earn money. These guys didn't do that. For all intents and purposes they merely had a summer jorb. (whether you think it's icky or not)

And if it HAD been only about the money and violating NCAA rules, the coach wouldn't have had to apologize for the "embarrasment."

[Ike]

You don't really believe this. Their bros would be high fiving them and the university would find a way to quiet it down.

IN YOUR OPINION.

And your opinion on this issue shouldn't count for squat from a legal standpoint in the U.S.

This is all about them being gay. I seriously doubt any of the gay guys on that site joined because they heard a 133lb National Champion Nebraska Wrestler was gonna do some nudies. Their "celebrity" didn't help earn them any money. Their washboard abs and manly belly button peach fuzz did and they could have done that as a college wrestler or as a bookstore salesperson.

Nothing says that a college athlete can't earn money while they're at college. It says they can't use their celebrity or sport to earn money. These guys didn't do that. For all intents and purposes they merely had a summer jorb. (whether you think it's icky or not)

And if it HAD been only about the money and violating NCAA rules, the coach wouldn't have had to apologize for the "embarrasment."

Except, according to the article, they did use their celebrity or sport to earn money. The site they posed for apparently specializes in shots of athletes, and from what I can tell, they even allowed their real names to be used, instead of adopting some cheesy porn name.

<edit> sorry, I should specify that the article I'm referring to is the one referenced in post #2 by SSC

[StoopTroup]

Their washboard abs and manly belly button peach fuzz did and they could have done that as a college wrestler or as a bookstore salesperson.


You should write romance novels IMO. ;)

[NormanPride]

I tend to think the same outcome would occur if a Mizzou girl's basketball player was caught doing porn. American society has always accepted violence more than sex.

The key here is that it broke an NCAA rule, though.

[olevetonahill]

You should write romance novels IMO. ;)

I thot thats what he did ?

[StoopTroup]

I tend to think the same outcome would occur if a Mizzou girl's basketball player was caught doing porn. American society has always accepted violence more than sex.

The key here is that it broke an NCAA rule, though.

We need a 2008-2009 rule book.

Isn't that on-line somewhere?

[Frozen Sooner]

You can find copies of all NCAA regulations at www.ncaa.org

[StoopTroup]

You can find copies of all NCAA regulations at www.ncaa.org

I figured it would be about that simple...but I'm really lazy.

Thanks Mike.

[royalfan5]

I think it is important to note that Tom Osborne hates porn, beer, gambling, and fun. Which is why he is AD instead of governor.

[StoopTroup]

I think he protests to much.

[Animal Mother]

I tend to think the same outcome would occur if a Mizzou girl's basketball player was caught doing porn. American society has always accepted violence more than sex.

The key here is that it broke an NCAA rule, though.

That leaves us with violent sex.

[C&CDean]

That leaves us with violent sex.

go on...

[Frozen Sooner]

1. IN YOUR OPINION.

And your opinion on this issue shouldn't count for squat from a legal standpoint in the U.S.

2. This is all about them being gay. I seriously doubt any of the gay guys on that site joined because they heard a 133lb National Champion Nebraska Wrestler was gonna do some nudies. Their "celebrity" didn't help earn them any money. Their washboard abs and manly belly button peach fuzz did and they could have done that as a college wrestler or as a bookstore salesperson.

3. Nothing says that a college athlete can't earn money while they're at college. It says they can't use their celebrity or sport to earn money. These guys didn't do that. For all intents and purposes they merely had a summer jorb. (whether you think it's icky or not)

4. And if it HAD been only about the money and violating NCAA rules, the coach wouldn't have had to apologize for the "embarrasment."

I've numbered your points to address them one by one.

1. Actually, nobody has claimed that the athletes violated a law. They did, however, violate their contract with the University of Nebraska. Said contract stated they would abide by NCAA rules. Profiting from the use of your likeness is a fairly major violation of NCAA rules. Ask Jeremy Bloom.

2. Speaking of YOUR OPINION...and no, I'm relatively sure that any athlete that posed nude for profit would be kicked off their team quickly, wherever it appeared. Again, it's a hard and fast NCAA rule and a big one at that.

3. Wrong. There's plenty of NCAA regulations about how athletes can earn money. And they're pretty clear that using your likeness for profit is forbidden.

4. Again, your opinion.

[LosAngelesSooner]

You should write romance novels IMO. ;)I do...under the pseudonym Peach McFuzzynavel. ;)

[StoopTroup]

I do...under the pseudonym Peach McFuzzynavel. ;)

I knew that was some sort of code. lol.

[LosAngelesSooner]

I've numbered your points to address them one by one.

1. Actually, nobody has claimed that the athletes violated a law. They did, however, violate their contract with the University of Nebraska. Said contract stated they would abide by NCAA rules. Profiting from the use of your likeness is a fairly major violation of NCAA rules. Ask Jeremy Bloom.

2. Speaking of YOUR OPINION...and no, I'm relatively sure that any athlete that posed nude for profit would be kicked off their team quickly, wherever it appeared. Again, it's a hard and fast NCAA rule and a big one at that.

3. Wrong. There's plenty of NCAA regulations about how athletes can earn money. And they're pretty clear that using your likeness for profit is forbidden.

4. Again, your opinion.Fair enough.

But I still think it's about gayness. And I still think that America is WAY too prude. I'd LOVE it if the women's volleyball team all posed for Playboy. :D

[Chuck Bao]

I’m not arguing that they didn’t break NCAA rules and their contract with the university. I think I’m arguing that the punishment and the whole “embarrassment” apology did not fit the offense, relative to so many other offenses.

Obviously, a Big XII women's basketball done gone all wild photo shoot would be a big no no.

But if an individual, who happens to be a student athlete and a particularly fine specimen at that, would like to show off her perfect bewbies on her own holiday trip to New Orleans, most of you would be like calling the NCAA a bunch of communist bastards, as you have in the past.

Would it matter is she used her real name if she didn't wear anything showing affiliation with her school? Would it matter if it was posted on a subscription only website? Would it matter if that website has like a few thousand pics of athletes in all states of dress and undress from every sport? Do you think the NCAA should be enacting rules on likeness when it really isn’t commercial and more like expression and, more to the point, none of their business?

No, I would not like to see the latest and hottest college athlete in Playboy or Playgirl or whatever. The cover of SI and other magazines are already pretty much doing it enough for the money sports.

But, nudity is not sex. Oh I know, some of you are obsessed with the whole gay sex thing.

This is about two young men getting called out for their unfortunate decision to show off their bodies and a huge amount of public disgrace and infamy that isn't relative to the offense.

[Frozen Sooner]

Chuck, it's my understanding that they were paid for the use of their likeness. It's a major NCAA violation. Had Nebraska not dismissed them, they would have opened themselves up for a "Lack of Institutional Control" charge for failing to appropriately punish athletes who violated a major rule.

Again, look at the Jeremy Bloom case. The NCAA VERY SPECIFICALLY in that case stated that NCAA athletes who profit from the use of their likeness are no longer eligible.

[Chuck Bao]

Mike, you can repeatedly fall back on that legality and you are right. I'm saying that there are money sports and non-money sports and the money sports get high promotional pics on the cover of SI and video games, etc. You can't say that is not commercial.

We are talking about college wrestling, right?

It's a slippery slope, I know. It's just in the age of internet and the NCAA and its rules seem so far behind the times.

[Frozen Sooner]

Actually, athletes that are still eligible to compete are never featured on the cover of video games for that very reason. That's one of the reasons Jason White (who was trying to get another year of eligibility) wasn't on the cover of NCAA 2005 while Larry Fitzgerald (who had already declared for the draft) was.

Magazines are considered news sources and as such the pictures are not promotional.

[Chuck Bao]

I did not know that about the video games. Thanks for setting me straight.

Your so-called news sources (magazines/ESPN) are still commercial and undeniably promotional.

But, that wasn't one of my key points. The NCAA rules shouldn't be used to bludgeon student athletes for minor stuff when so many get away with far more serious infractions, including crimnal.

Did the article mention how much these guys were paid to take their clothes off? I'm just sorry that their lives have been changed by that.

[Okla-homey]

Originally Posted by Mike Rich

I've numbered your points to address them one by one.

1. Actually, nobody has claimed that the athletes violated a law. They did, however, violate their contract with the University of Nebraska. Said contract stated they would abide by NCAA rules. Profiting from the use of your likeness is a fairly major violation of NCAA rules. Ask Jeremy Bloom.

2. Speaking of YOUR OPINION...and no, I'm relatively sure that any athlete that posed nude for profit would be kicked off their team quickly, wherever it appeared. Again, it's a hard and fast NCAA rule and a big one at that.

3. Wrong. There's plenty of NCAA regulations about how athletes can earn money. And they're pretty clear that using your likeness for profit is forbidden.

4. Again, your opinion.

heh, you said hard and fast in a gay porn thread. Hehehehhee.

[Frozen Sooner]

I did not know that about the video games. Thanks for setting me straight.

Your so-called news sources (magazines/ESPN) are still commercial and undeniably promotional.

But, that wasn't one of my key points. The NCAA rules shouldn't be used to bludgeon student athletes for minor stuff when so many get away with far more serious infractions, including crimnal.

Did the article mention how much these guys were paid to take their clothes off? I'm just sorry that their lives have been changed by that.

The criminal justice system exists to punish people who run afoul of the law. It's not addressed in the NCAA bylaws because it falls outside of their purview.

The thing we keep coming back to is this isn't minor. Every NCAA athlete knows this rule if their compliance department is doing their job, and they know it ends their eligibility. The reason that this isn't a minor violation is that it opens up avenues for huge abuses by boosters.

[Chuck Bao]

The criminal justice system exists to punish people who run afoul of the law. It's not addressed in the NCAA bylaws because it falls outside of their purview.

The thing we keep coming back to is this isn't minor. Every NCAA athlete knows this rule if their compliance department is doing their job, and they know it ends their eligibility. The reason that this isn't a minor violation is that it opens up avenues for huge abuses by boosters.

I think we all understand that.

Here is a question for you. Why didn't NU just pull the schollies and be done with it? Nobody would have noticed much because it is wrestling, afterall.

No need for a press release. No need for the headlines of NU wrestling and gay porn website. No need for the apology. No need to name the individuals and their home towns.

It could have been just for disciplinary reasons. Full details could have been supplied to the NCAA without anyone else being the wiser.

OU does that don't they?

[Paperclip]

This thread is worthless...wait, um, just kidding. How 'bout them Bears?

[olevetonahill]

I do...under the pseudonym Peach McFuzzynavel. ;)

Way to Ghey up this thread , Oh wait .

[royalfan5]

I think we all understand that.

Here is a question for you. Why didn't NU just pull the schollies and be done with it? Nobody would have noticed much because it is wrestling, afterall.

No need for a press release. No need for the headlines of NU wrestling and gay porn website. No need for the apology. No need to name the individuals and their home towns.

It could have been just for disciplinary reasons. Full details could have been supplied to the NCAA without anyone else being the wiser.

OU does that don't they?
Enough people do follow wrestling that a former national champion disappearing off the team would have attracted notice. It is also worth noting that the Nebraska media didn't break the story.

[Fraggle145]

Meh. Gay cooties are too busy grooming themselves and working out to bite me anyhow.

This dude I wrestled with in high school, turned out to be gay. Didnt really bother me, that might be because I beat his *** every day...


Wait a minute... :eek:


;)

[mdklatt]

Two dudes posing naked on a web site is the least gay thing about wrestling if you ask me. Two guys wearing a leotard and getting hot and sweaty while grunting and playing grab-***, and then every so often the referee blows the whistle and one dude gets to mount the other dude...nothing gay to see here, move along folks!

:D

[SanJoaquinSooner]

Two dudes posing naked on a web site is the least gay thing about wrestling if you ask me. Two guys wearing a leotard and getting hot and sweaty while grunting and playing grab-***, and then every so often the referee blows the whistle and one dude gets to mount the other dude...nothing gay to see here, move along folks!

:D

better stick to badminton.;)

[Bourbon St Sooner]

I think we all understand that.

Here is a question for you. Why didn't NU just pull the schollies and be done with it? Nobody would have noticed much because it is wrestling, afterall.

No need for a press release. No need for the headlines of NU wrestling and gay porn website. No need for the apology. No need to name the individuals and their home towns.

It could have been just for disciplinary reasons. Full details could have been supplied to the NCAA without anyone else being the wiser.

OU does that don't they?

If I remember right, Bomar and Quinn were kicked off with a full press release. They were also kicked off for violating NCAA rules that didn't involve any gay porn site.

[Scott D]

I think we all understand that.

Here is a question for you. Why didn't NU just pull the schollies and be done with it? Nobody would have noticed much because it is wrestling, afterall.

No need for a press release. No need for the headlines of NU wrestling and gay porn website. No need for the apology. No need to name the individuals and their home towns.

It could have been just for disciplinary reasons. Full details could have been supplied to the NCAA without anyone else being the wiser.

OU does that don't they?

I'm sure the story started as something small and local, but because it mentioned the university of nebraska it got picked up on by search engines to find news reports and it grew like wildfire. And it should be blatantly obvious to everyone that the media only thinks about the possible damage it could do to someone after the fact. Or until they get threatened with a lawsuit that they could lose.

Also, like Bourbon St. said, it was huge news all over the place when Bomar and Quinn were kicked off the football team for their violations. It was big news when Jeremy Bloom was ruled ineligible for Colorado because of his endorsement money from skiing. This isn't any bigger than either of those in my opinion.

as for the thing you brought up about print media. The players aren't compensated for their likeness being used in those magazines.