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Okla-homey
8/6/2008, 05:52 AM
August 6, 1945: Atomic bomb is dropped on Hiroshima, Japan

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Mushroom cloud shot from Enola Gay approximately 6 minutes post-release

63 years ago on this day in 1945, at 8:16 a.m. Japanese time, an American B-29 bomber, the Enola Gay, drops the world's first atomic bomb, over the city of Hiroshima.

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Approximately 80,000 people are instantly killed as a direct result of the blast, and another 35,000 are injured. At least another 60,000 would be dead by the end of the year from the poisonous effects of the nuclear fallout.

U.S. President Harry S. Truman, discouraged by the Japanese response to the Potsdam Conference's demand for unconditional surrender, made the decision to use the atom bomb to end the war in order to prevent what he predicted would be a much greater loss of life were the United States to invade the Japanese mainland.

And so on August 5, while a "conventional" bombing of Japan was underway, "Little Boy," (the nickname for one of two atom bombs available for use against Japan), was loaded onto Lt. Col. Paul W. Tibbets' plane on Tinian Island in the Marianas.

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Tibbets' B-29, named the Enola Gay after his mother, left the island at 2:45 a.m. on August 6. Five and a half hours later, "Little Boy" was dropped, exploding 1,900 feet over a hospital and unleashing the equivalent of 12,500 tons of TNT. The bomb had several inscriptions scribbled on its shell, one of which read "Greetings to the Emperor from the men of the USS Indianapolis" (the ship that transported the bomb to the Marianas) -- poignant since the ship was torpedoed by a Japanese sub after making its delivery and thousands of her crew perished while awaiting rescue in shark infested Pacific waters.

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There were 90,000 buildings in Hiroshima before the bomb was dropped; only 28,000 remained after the bombing. Of the city's 200 doctors before the explosion; only 20 were left alive or capable of working. There were 1,780 nurses before-only 150 remained who were able to tend to the sick and dying.

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According to John Hersey's classic work Hiroshima, the Hiroshima city government had put hundreds of schoolgirls to work clearing fire lanes in the event of incendiary bomb attacks. They were out in the open when the Enola Gay dropped its load.

There were so many spontaneous fires set as a result of the bomb that a crewman of the Enola Gay stopped trying to count them. Another crewman remarked, "It's pretty terrific. What a relief it worked."

Faced with the reality, scale and implications of this attack, the Japanese government remained stoic. It would take one more nuke dropped on August 9 before they faced reality and accepted a fate the Japanese had never before accepted. Unconditional surrender.

On August 15 the Emperor announced his acceptance of the Potsdam declaration. For the first time, the Japanese people heard his voice when it went out over the radio airwaves throughout what was left of Imperial Japan.


"Despite the best that has been done by everyone . . . the war situation has developed not necessarily to Japan's advantage . . . . Moreover, the enemy has begun to employ a new and most cruel bomb, the power of which to do damage is indeed incalculable, taking the toll of many innocent lives . . . . This is the reason why we have ordered the acceptance of the [Potsdam Declaration] --Radio Broadcast of the Japanese Emperor, August 15, 1945

The Boeing B-29 Superfortress

The B-29 "Superfortress" made its maiden flight from the Boeing plant in Seattle, Washington in 1942. Thus, it was the only US bomber not already designed or built when WWII began. It was the largest bomber used in WWII by any nation.

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The B-29 was conceived in 1939 by Gen. Hap Arnold, who was afraid a German victory in Europe would mean the United States would be devoid of bases on the European side of the Atlantic from which to counterattack.

A bomber was needed that would fly faster, farther, and higher than any then available, so Boeing set to creating the four-engine heavy bomber. In just a little over two years, a corporate army of engineers and designers, without benefit of calculators (let alone computers,) put the world's most sophisticated and capable bomber on the Seattle tarmac.

Those guys did it with pencils, paper, and sliderules.

Eventually, 1620 B-29's were built by Boeing at their Wichita, Kansas plant. 357 were built under license by Bell at their Atlanta, Georgia plant and similarly, 536 were built by Martin at their Omaha, Nebraska plant.

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A Superfort photographed with Tokyo below

The plane was extraordinary. The B-29 was designed for long distance, high altitude operation and utilized the favorable flying conditions afforded by sub-stratosphere flight.

Pressurized cabins meant the crew didn't have to wear heavy cold-weather gear or suck oxygen from a hose. In addition to standard oxygen equipment, the use of two turbosuperchargers on each of its four enormous rotary engines enabled "Superforts" to fly at a service ceiling in excess of 40,000 feet.

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The four 18-cylinder Wright Model R-3350-23 engines developed 2200 horsepower each, giving the airplane a total of 8800 horsepower.

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B-29 front office. The "greenhouse" effect made pre-flight checks miserable. It could easily hit 120 degrees inside on a sunny summer day. Fortunately, it cooled off pretty quick once the engines were running and cooling air started to flow through the cockpit vents.

The airplane could carry a 10-ton bomb load and had for defensive armament 10 .50 caliber machine guns and one 20 mm cannon. The machine guns were housed in five power turrets, the cannon protruding from the tail turret. All turrets were actuated electrically and were remotely controlled from sighting stations within the heated and pressurized crew compartment.

Able to carry bombloads almost equal to its own weight at altitudes of 30,000 to 40,000 feet. It contained a duplicate set of controls and instrumentation aft of the pilots station at the flight engineer's station which could actually to be used to fly the plane in the event the front cockpit was destroyed by enemy fire. It also sported the first radar bombing system of any U.S. bomber.

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One flying B-29 remains. Here's "Fifi" at an airshow in Akron OH. That's a blimp hangar in the background.

The Superfortress made its maiden run over the continental United States on September 21, but would not make its bombing-run debut until June 5, 1944, against Bangkok, in preparation for the Allied liberation of Burma from Japanese occupation.

A little more than a week later, the B-29 made its first run against the Japanese mainland. On June 14, 60 B-29s based in Chengtu, China, bombed an iron and steel works factory on Honshu Island.

Meanwhile, the Marianas Islands in the South Pacific were being recaptured by the United States, primarily to provide air bases for their new B-29s -- a perfect position from which to strike the Japanese mainland on a consistent and constant basis.

Once the bases were ready, the B-29s were employed in a long bombing campaign against Tokyo and other important Japanese cities. Incidentally, our Andersen AFB with its multiple 10,000 runways on Guam is a remnant of this period. As late as 1973, we were bombing North Vietnam from the huge bomber base on Guam. A very cool place that positively drips with memories of great men who flew their missions and put bombs on target no matter what.
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Approaching Anderson -- looking southwest. Note the cliffs at the approach end of the multiple parallel runways.

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These missions against the Japanese homeland were'nt all "milkruns."

Although capable of precision bombing at high altitudes, the decentralized "cottage"-based industries in many Japanese cities, the much higher wind speeds aloft, and the extensive Nipponese use of wooden structures, convinced US air leaders the way to go was dropping incendiary devices from a mere 5,000 feet. This, firebombing in an attempt to destroy the cities and break the will of the Axis power became the policy.

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Formation bombing was the norm

One such firebombing raid in March 1945 killed more than 80,000 people in a single day. But the most famous, or perhaps infamous, use of the B-29 would come in August as it was the only plane capable of delivering a 10,000-pound bomb--the atomic bomb.

The Enola Gay and the Bock's Car took off from Tinian, Guam's sister island in the northern Marianas, on August 6 and 9, respectively, and flew into history.

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Another 1945 morning's "aluminum overcast" enroute to pound Japan.

Just 15 years after the B-29 roll-out, the boys in Seattle were at it again designing a turbo-jet powered replacement for the B-29/B-50 that become the B-52 "Stratofortress" (a/k/a "BUFF") which is still in service today.

Right here in Tulsa, the Nordam Group employs about 650 Okies making modernization and maintenance modifications to the BUFF which is a direct descendent of the B-29.

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KsSooner
8/6/2008, 06:21 AM
A group of volunteers, some who worked on original B-29 production line, are restoring a B-29 here in Wichita. They have been at it for a few years and the goal is to make it flight worthy. Name of the plane is "Doc".

BlondeSoonerGirl
8/6/2008, 08:25 AM
Doing what I do for a living, I get to work with folks like Boeing, Lockheed-Martin and Raytheon. Going into their facilities and getting pretty intimate with their manufacturing processes can be really humbling. Raytheon makes the radar defenses for our military and getting to work with them was imtimidating for me at first.

Getting to see how Nokia makes phones and how Bose makes Sound Docks is awesome but then you see hundreds of people working on an assembly line that is so big you can't see the other end and there's a giant plane in the middle of it - you know something big's happening around you.

Something funny I heard from Boeing:

'You see how the end of the assembly line kinda disappears up ahead?'
'Yeah - why is that?'
'Because the earth is curved'.


Nice job, Homey.

bonkuba
8/6/2008, 08:33 AM
Really good!!

Now if we had the nuggets to use again....maybe a little more respect around the world. Countries try us now because we know we would never think of using our full military capability.....which makes this American very, very sad.

Off subject sorry.......but again great read!!

BigRedJed
8/6/2008, 12:27 PM
Good thread.

StoopTroup
8/6/2008, 01:00 PM
Really good!!

Now if we had the nuggets to use again....maybe a little more respect around the world. Countries try us now because we know we would never think of using our full military capability.....which makes this American very, very sad.

Off subject sorry.......but again great read!!

I know we tend to throw out the words "Nuke Em" pretty quick but what we have now is much different than what we dropped back then.

Technology requires us to use everything we have to keep from using WMD's IMO.

It has nothing to do with having nuggets...

We just can't use them unless it's the best choice.

Hell....look how fast we took Iraq.

We didn't need a nuke.

SoonerStormchaser
8/6/2008, 01:02 PM
Have I mentioned that I've been to both Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

royalfan5
8/6/2008, 01:06 PM
This reminds me that I need to hit the new SAC museum one of these times when I am in the Ashland area.

OUDoc
8/6/2008, 01:10 PM
Have I mentioned that I've been to both Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

And they were both nuked and you fly military aircraft. Coincidence? I don't think so. I'm watching you, SSC.

SoonerStormchaser
8/6/2008, 01:35 PM
Hope you're enjoying the show!

soonerscuba
8/6/2008, 02:17 PM
maybe a little more respect around the world.
I think that might be dead last on what the world would think. I think it was a wise choice in 1945, but it would take an astoundingly terrible war (WWIII type situation) to be used again.

The decision to kill of people hundreds of thousands at a time probably shouldn't be made with hawkish machismo.

Okla-homey
8/6/2008, 02:52 PM
I think that might be dead last on what the world would think. I think it was a wise choice in 1945, but it would take an astoundingly terrible war (WWIII type situation) to be used again.

The decision to kill of people hundreds of thousands at a time probably shouldn't be made with hawkish machismo.

You make a good point,. Because they are so horribly powerful, they haven't been used since. What keeps strategists awake at night is the notion there are factions with whom we share the globe who don't pale at the prospect, even if first use is certain to reap a nuclear retaliation. In that sense, nuclear armed religious fanaticism is a very dangerous thing.

soonerscuba
8/6/2008, 03:02 PM
In that sense, nuclear armed religious fanaticism is a very dangerous thing.
You'll never here me peep to the contrary. I would be surprised if people in a cave had the means and ability to set off a nuclear weapon, especially on American soil. Not impossible, but it would be tough. The dirty bomb scares me a lot more than a traditional detonation.

Okla-homey
8/6/2008, 03:28 PM
You'll never here me peep to the contrary. I would be surprised if people in a cave had the means and ability to set off a nuclear weapon, especially on American soil. Not impossible, but it would be tough. The dirty bomb scares me a lot more than a traditional detonation.

or in one of the hundreds of sea-land containers stacked aboard one of the thousands of container ships that enter our major ports on a monthly basis. The government's position is its impractical to check each container. We shall see if that call comes back to haunt us.

MR2-Sooner86
8/6/2008, 04:53 PM
So people know, the bombs we have today and the bombs dropped on Japan are VERY VERY different.

The biggest atom bomb ever detonated was the Tsar Bomb.



The fireball touched the ground, reached nearly as high as the altitude of the release plane, and was seen and felt 1,000 km (621 mi) away. The heat from the explosion could have caused third degree burns 100 km (62 mi) away from ground zero. The subsequent mushroom cloud was about 60 km (37 mi) high (nearly seven times higher than Mount Everest) and 30–40 km (18 - 24 mi) wide. The explosion could be seen and felt in Finland, even breaking windows there. Atmospheric focusing caused blast damage up to 1,000 km (621 mi) away. The seismic shock created by the detonation was measurable even on its third passage around the Earth. Its Richter magnitude was about 5 to 5.25.

Since 50 Mt is 2.1×1017 joules, the average power produced during the entire fission-fusion process, lasting around 39 nanoseconds, was about 5.4×1024 watts or 5.4 yottawatts. This is equivalent to approximately 1.4% of the power output of the Sun.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_Bomba

That's over 100 times stronger than the bombs dropped on Japan. As from what I understand as well we have the means to deliever such a bomb "if" we have one in stock.

BigRedJed
8/6/2008, 05:10 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f9/Comparative_nuclear_fireball_sizes.svg/582px-Comparative_nuclear_fireball_sizes.svg.png

BigRedJed
8/6/2008, 05:10 PM
Yikes.

BigRedJed
8/6/2008, 05:14 PM
That Wiki page also serves up this frightening gem:

Developed by the Soviet Union, the bomb was originally designed to have a yield of about 100 megatons of TNT; however that was reduced by half in order to limit the amount of nuclear fallout that would result.

Okla-homey
8/6/2008, 05:14 PM
So people know, the bombs we have today and the bombs dropped on Japan are VERY VERY different.

The biggest atom bomb ever detonated was the Tsar Bomb.



The fireball touched the ground, reached nearly as high as the altitude of the release plane, and was seen and felt 1,000 km (621 mi) away. The heat from the explosion could have caused third degree burns 100 km (62 mi) away from ground zero. The subsequent mushroom cloud was about 60 km (37 mi) high (nearly seven times higher than Mount Everest) and 30–40 km (18 - 24 mi) wide. The explosion could be seen and felt in Finland, even breaking windows there. Atmospheric focusing caused blast damage up to 1,000 km (621 mi) away. The seismic shock created by the detonation was measurable even on its third passage around the Earth. Its Richter magnitude was about 5 to 5.25.

Since 50 Mt is 2.1×1017 joules, the average power produced during the entire fission-fusion process, lasting around 39 nanoseconds, was about 5.4×1024 watts or 5.4 yottawatts. This is equivalent to approximately 1.4% of the power output of the Sun.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_Bomba

That's over 100 times stronger than the bombs dropped on Japan. As from what I understand as well we have the means to deliever such a bomb "if" we have one in stock.


Biggest I ever personally worked with was a B53 gravity weapon. It was essentially a Titan missile warhead in a can with fins. Parachute retarded time of fall so it was theoretically possible to fly out of the blast effect before detonation. We always doubted the tables on that.

I think those are all gone, replaced by the sleeker and sexier looking B61.

BigRedJed
8/6/2008, 05:18 PM
In that Wiki page it also said that the 100 megaton version was impractical for testing because it could not have been delivered by a missle of the day, and the delivery plane would almost certainly be consumed in the fireball, not having enough time to get out of the blast zone.

Did you catch that "1.4% of the output of the sun?" Jeebus. Explode 100 of those at the same time and this whole section of the solar system would literally go out in a blaze of glory.

Jerk
8/6/2008, 06:08 PM
Made in America, Tested in Japan.

One of my favorite videos is the Castle Bravo detonation set to classical music:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJoyOl7_QBg

MR2-Sooner86
8/6/2008, 06:39 PM
God there are some stupid people on youtube.

"America sucks you dropped the bomb!"

"You didn't care about American lives you just wanted to scare Russia!"

"Those poor Japanese you Americans are heartless killers!"

Just wondering, who here agreed with the bombings and who didn't?

Jerk
8/6/2008, 06:51 PM
God there are some stupid people on youtube.

"America sucks you dropped the bomb!"

"You didn't care about American lives you just wanted to scare Russia!"

"Those poor Japanese you Americans are heartless killers!"


Public Schools.

olevetonahill
8/6/2008, 06:53 PM
God there are some stupid people on youtube.

"America sucks you dropped the bomb!"

"You didn't care about American lives you just wanted to scare Russia!"

"Those poor Japanese you Americans are heartless killers!"

Just wondering, who here agreed with the bombings and who didn't?

been there done that . do a search .

Okla-homey
8/6/2008, 06:58 PM
been there done that . do a search .

I'll save him some time:

blah, blah, they started it!

blah, blah, they were forced to attack because we wouldn't let them have oil!

blah, blah, blah, bomb saved US lives!

blah, blah, blah, wouldn't have used it on white people!

blah, blah, blah, blah, my grandpaw didn't have to invade japan!

blah, blah, blah, blah, your grandpaw prolly would have raped japanese children had he invaded!

that's it in a nutshell.

olevetonahill
8/6/2008, 07:02 PM
Pretty Much Homester .
Now Ive resisted saying this But I cant any longer .
when I 1st read your GM . saw those lil Kids I got sad .
Till I remembered the Fact that If we Had Had to Invade same lil bastages would Have Been doing what those Lil gook Bastages did to Us the Nam .
Oh and It was My Daddy . ;)

bonkuba
8/6/2008, 09:31 PM
I think that might be dead last on what the world would think. I think it was a wise choice in 1945, but it would take an astoundingly terrible war (WWIII type situation) to be used again.

The decision to kill of people hundreds of thousands at a time probably shouldn't be made with hawkish machismo.

Understands what you are saying.....really....but......if it keeps us safe I could care less what any other country thinks....or what happens to any of 'em....so I guess in that sense respect would be don't **** with us.

Sorry just a rant......I just get tired of of the ****ies we have in government and how we seem to let every pitifull little country walk all over us.:mad:

Sorry....long day....hot day.....end of rant :D :D

Sirus
8/6/2008, 09:45 PM
And people wonder why we have the weird climatic changes that we do.

bonkuba
8/6/2008, 09:55 PM
And people wonder why we have the weird climatic changes that we do.

??????????????????? Guess I am more tired than I thought.... :D :D

Pricetag
8/6/2008, 11:21 PM
Public Schools.
In other countries.

Half a Hundred
8/6/2008, 11:44 PM
Most unfortunate yet NECESSARY evil we ever unleashed upon the world. And yes, nuclear weapons are an evil, nothing that is specifically designed to kill hundreds of thousands then poison the land afterward can be called otherwise.

That being said, the US will never use anything approaching the yield of the Tsar Bomba ever again. Why is that?

Technology, of course. One of the neat things that our military found out (that the Russkies never could) is that if you enhance the targeting system (such as that which eventually made itself into the JDAM system... you didn't really think we'd spend that kind of R&D money for conventional weapons, right?), you could shoot a bunch of hundred+ kiloton-yield physics packages into a circular infill pattern, and take out way more land than you could with even a 50 Mt device.

Why is that? Well, it applied the lessons of a Japanese bombing. No, not Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but the firebombing of Tokyo. It seems that the strategic placement of many fire-starting devices (such as a firestick on wood-and-paper structures, hydrogen bombs on anything) causes much more destruction than any equally energetic single device, due to the oxygen-consuming properties of a legitimate firestorm, and the interesting things that happen when blast shockwaves interact with each other at the right time (think massive whirlwind).

That's why the Russians were so worried about our MX missiles; those had ten 300 kt warheads, each independently targetable and practically indefensible. One of those missiles (of which there were 114 at their height) could easily wipe out any Warsaw Pact city or military installation. That's also why we got rid of them in the last few rounds of arms cuts.

Don't worry about our nuclear deterrence, however. Our boomers somewhere out in the ocean can carry up to 24 Trident II missiles, each with a maximum of 12 MIRV'ed 475 kt warheads (supposedly reduced by arms cuts, though I'm sure when worse comes to worse, there are contingency plans), which are easily up to the task of scaring the stuffing out of anyone who would do massive harm upon this nation.

What can I say, like a moth toward flame, I am drawn to nukes and their capabilities. I just hope to never see them in use.

olevetonahill
8/6/2008, 11:48 PM
I liked those Bat shat crazy Fire Bombs
those were the AWESOME :D

Echoes
8/7/2008, 12:04 AM
Absolutely horrific. And absolutely necessary. If we would have had to invade that place, the truth of the matter is some of us on this board wouldn't be here. Our fathers/grandfathers etc would have perished.

soonerscuba
8/7/2008, 12:16 AM
Absolutely horrific. And absolutely necessary. If we would have had to invade that place, the truth of the matter is some of us on this board wouldn't be here. Our fathers/grandfathers etc would have perished.
I fully agree. It was a monstrous thing to do, evil, and I don't know if I personally could push the button, but at the end of the day we used 12kt of prevention instead of millions of lives of cure, and when push comes to shove, better them than us. The proof is in the pudding, IMO, because they didn't get the message the first time around, if there would have been immediate surrender, I think there would be a much larger debate.

I think it's healthy to hear those who disagree with the decision, and personally I hope I never see the day in which it would be the obvious thing to do.

Echoes
8/7/2008, 12:19 AM
I fully agree. It was a monstrous thing to do, evil, and I don't know if I personally could push the button, but at the end of the day we used 12kt of prevention instead of millions of lives of cure, and when push comes to shove, better them than us. The proof is in the pudding, IMO, because they didn't get the message the first time around, if there would have been immediate surrender, I think there would be a much larger debate.

I think it's healthy to hear those who disagree with the decision, and personally I hope I never see the day in which it would be the obvious thing to do.

Very well said. Completely agree. If anything, I wish the second one wouldn't have had to be dropped. I never ever like to say it's their own fault.. but unfortunately, it kinda was. They had ample time to surrender.

olevetonahill
8/7/2008, 12:37 AM
I fully agree. It was a monstrous thing to do, evil, and I don't know if I personally could push the button, but at the end of the day we used 12kt of prevention instead of millions of lives of cure, and when push comes to shove, better them than us. The proof is in the pudding, IMO, because they didn't get the message the first time around, if there would have been immediate surrender, I think there would be a much larger debate.

I think it's healthy to hear those who disagree with the decision, and personally I hope I never see the day in which it would be the obvious thing to do.

Immediate surrender after the 1st one would Have Led to More debate about it ? Dude step back from the crack pipe .
It was Harsh and the right thing to do at the time .
they had a Long time to surrender befor the 2nd one .

BigRedJed
8/7/2008, 12:42 AM
...I think it's healthy to hear those who disagree with the decision...
I have yet to hear that from anyone in this thread. Or really, historically, on this board.

olevetonahill
8/7/2008, 12:45 AM
I have yet to hear that from anyone in this thread. Or really, historically, on this board.

Dont we Have some French folks Posting here ?

BigRedJed
8/7/2008, 12:47 AM
GHP went to Sweden. I think that's sortof like being French.

olevetonahill
8/7/2008, 12:49 AM
GHP went to Sweden. I think that's sortof like being French.

Well there you Have it . :P

Echoes
8/7/2008, 12:52 AM
Really, it's unbelievable they didn't surrender after the first one. How could they not? What were they thinking?

olevetonahill
8/7/2008, 12:55 AM
Really, it's unbelievable they didn't surrender after the first one. How could they not? What were they thinking?

Easy
The Emperor was GOD
GOD was On their Side .
Till HELL hit em in the *** ;)

Shamrock
8/7/2008, 12:57 AM
And so on August 5, while a "conventional" bombing of Japan was underway, "Little Boy," (the nickname for one of two atom bombs available for use against Japan), was loaded onto Lt. Col. Paul W. Tibbets' plane on Tinian Island in the Marianas.

http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/8730/hiroshima20bomb20that20kx8.jpg



I was at the Nimitz Museum in Fredericksburg, TX a couple weeks ago, and they have one "Fat Man (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_Man)" casing. Number 7 out of 11 made. Fat Man was dropped on Nagasaki.

http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/7703/img0250kv6.jpg

http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/9633/img0251dj4.jpg


http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/1339/img0253re0.jpg

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/4190/img0249sm4.jpg

BigRedJed
8/7/2008, 12:57 AM
Really, it's unbelievable they didn't surrender after the first one. How could they not? What were they thinking?
Bushido (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushido)

12
8/7/2008, 01:16 AM
I think that might be dead last on what the world would think. I think it was a wise choice in 1945, but it would take an astoundingly terrible war (WWIII type situation) to be used again.

The decision to kill of people hundreds of thousands at a time probably shouldn't be made with hawkish machismo.

Haven't read through the entire thread, but this is a good point. It is a very frightening event to lay upon another country.

Damned scary.

Echoes
8/7/2008, 01:17 AM
Well, Bushido sure helped their people out.

Harry Beanbag
8/7/2008, 03:45 PM
I have yet to hear that from anyone in this thread. Or really, historically, on this board.


You must have forgotten about Stoop Dawg.

BigRedJed
8/7/2008, 03:46 PM
Did he say that we shouldn't have dropped the bomb at all? I guess I did forget about that, if so.

Harry Beanbag
8/7/2008, 03:52 PM
Did he say that we shouldn't have dropped the bomb at all? I guess I did forget about that, if so.


Not really, that I could at least respect even if I didn't agree with it. His position was totally based on ignorance. I think he chimes in starting on page 2 and goes for awhile...

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