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Dan Thompson
7/21/2008, 08:56 PM
How a CB that is 5' 9" at 175 pds is going to stop WR that is 6' 5" etc or a TE like Grishem)sp).

Can someone enlighten me?

goingoneight
7/21/2008, 08:58 PM
Speed kills sometimes if you read the play correctly. There's 75 pounds of extra football player on Gresham versus a guy who can get to the ball quicker.

You have to say though that you don't like David's chances on a jump ball with Goliath.

soonerfan28
7/21/2008, 09:23 PM
Thats why teams are going for taller CB's. Woolfolk and Onyenegecha were taller CB's even though Woolfolk was much better. Brian Jackson is 6'1, but most are under 6ft. If a guy 5'9 has a 36 in vertical then he can get up there, but I would rather have that height.

StoopTroup
7/21/2008, 09:23 PM
You can really see how a shorter guy prevails in this clip....

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Curly Bill
7/21/2008, 09:41 PM
Being a shorter cornerback isn't as bad as you might think on the surface. Reason being how many times does the QB throw the ball so accurately that only the taller player can catch it? Answer: not that often, the QB usually tries to throw the ball where his player can comfortably make the catch. Well, any catch that Gresham at 6'5" can make comfortably a shorter CB is gonna be able to get a hand on it though he might have to reach to his highest point. In other words the height advantage comes into play not so often as one might think: jump ball type situation, or the rare throw where the QB does throw it to a point where only his tall receiver can get it, and I think often as not this is an accident, and not a result of trying to throw the ball that high.

...and thats another reason you want superior athletes at DB that can jump like crazy and run like the wind.

SbOrOiNaEnR
7/21/2008, 11:05 PM
You can really see how a shorter guy prevails in this clip....

Are you trying to say that if you put an undersized cornerback into a hatchback Volkswagen, he'll make the big play every time?

Someone get needs to put BJW in touch with the guys at Großer roter Sport und Importe. :D

Widescreen
7/22/2008, 12:53 AM
Think the final play of the 2000 OSU game. Strait was seriously outsized but still made the play.

yermom
7/22/2008, 01:15 AM
think Strait in general...

soonerboy
7/22/2008, 01:20 AM
ya but in general if a bigger guy goes against the smaller guys... my money is on the bigger one

Mac94
7/22/2008, 08:27 AM
Back in the mid 1990's we (Texas A&M) had a CB named Ray Mickens that was 5' 8" (at best) and he shut down receivers much taller than himself all the time ... including Michigan WR Amani Toomer (6' 3" or more).

If they've got the speed and skills, it can be done.

SoonerRecon
7/22/2008, 10:32 AM
if the DB can stuff the WR at the line of scrimmage, the QB won't even look his way. IMO it was always easier to stuff the bigger guy than the quicker guy. hopefully BJW has seen enough talent in this guy to think he will be another Derrick Strait.

Animal Mother
7/22/2008, 12:54 PM
Back in the mid 1990's we (Texas A&M) had a CB named Ray Mickens that was 5' 8" (at best) and he shut down receivers much taller than himself all the time ... including Michigan WR Amani Toomer (6' 3" or more).

If they've got the speed and skills, it can be done.

(In best Ahnuld voice) It's not a Toomer !!!

Had to do it. Sorry.

badger
7/22/2008, 01:46 PM
The NFL and NBA typically has standards for the typical and desired position player when it comes to height and weight. However, that does not mean that players of different heights and weight can also achieve success at a high level of competition, even if they don't meet the typical standards.

Examples of such players to stand out despite not hitting the standards include...

http://assets.espn.go.com/media/nba/2005/0913/photo/bol_bogues_195.jpg
Muggsy Bogues, 5'3" guard, pictured next to giant 7'7" Manute Bol, had a lengthy career despite being the shortest player in the NBA. Typically, there are no players under six feet tall, and if they are less than six feet, teams usually lie (Ex: Allen Iverson, who is actually 5'11", often goes as a six-footer)

http://www2.jsonline.com/packer/image/01draft/fletcher.jpg
Jamar Fletcher, 5'10" cornerback for Wisconsin, was the Jim Thorpe Winner in 2000 and also led UW to two Rose Bowl victories before becoming a first round pick. Like the NBA, corners (read: SUCCESSFUL corners) are typically taller than 6' or at least listed as that tall.

Ok, there's two real examples. Here's a fake one:
http://www.mentalfloss.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/tidwell.jpg
He's a Shrimp. C'mon, Jerry. I want a prototypical wide receiver. Someone who's 6-foot-3, 225 pounds

:)

For more obscurities in the world of sports, read here (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2147522)!

Quite frankly, you want the oddballs on your team. They're the ones that the fans love. Didn't you love Q, the short running back? Don't you love Guuuuuut, another short RB/special teamer with a lot of heart?

stoops the eternal pimp
7/22/2008, 02:34 PM
corners need good hips, speed and most have good verticals... a lot of those sub 6' corners can dunk a basketball with ease...Darrell Green is a prime example....Bill's post hit the hammer on the head...strength at the line of scrimmage comes more into play than height at the end of the play

swardboy
7/22/2008, 05:41 PM
The shorter c-backs I played with in college were masters at masking the use of their hands on wide receivers. It went a long way in negating the height differential.

semperfisooner
7/22/2008, 10:08 PM
ever seen antoine winfield and pac man jones? very short but very good. and darrent williams was very good while at osu and at denver before he tragically lost his life.

JLEW1818
7/22/2008, 10:43 PM
If the dude is 6'3 and fast he is going to be a WR not a CB. Most of the time.