McCain: Confused or Lying?

[Frozen Sooner]

Claiming to have voted for a bill when he wasn't present:


McCain misfires on Obama attack
Posted: 08:38 AM ET

From CNN's Evan Glass, CNN's Kerith McFadden


McCain criticized Obama for missing a Senate vote he also missed.
(CNN) — It turns out that John McCain made an off-the-mark error when he launched at Barack Obama this week over Iran’s missile tests.

In a statement criticizing Obama’s positions on the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, the organization claiming credit for the missile launches, McCain wrote, “This is the same organization that I voted to condemn as a terrorist organization when an amendment was on the floor of the United States Senate. Senator Obama refused to vote.”

The problem with the critique? McCain also missed that vote on the Kyl-Lieberman amendment on September 26, 2007. Records show that Obama was in New Hampshire and McCain was in New York instead of being in the Senate chamber for the vote in question.

The McCain campaign admits the error but points to their candidate’s tough stance against the country President Bush once grouped into the “axis of evil.”

“Its time to make the Iranians understand that this kind of violation of international treaties, this kind of threat, threatening of their neighbors, continued military activity is not without cost,” McCain said on Wednesday.

Despite Obama’s voting absence, his campaign is touting legislation he sponsored in March 2007 (S. 970) which also would have designated the Iranian Revolutionary Guard as a terrorist organization. Obama’s legislation never had a vote in the Senate.

[mdklatt]

Oh yeah? Well Obama wants to make Spanish the national language. That will make it easier to confiscate the guns and money of people who took French or German in high school.

La opción está clara.

[stoopified]

I think he had a Reagan moment.That sort of thing will happen to us all when we get into our 70's.

[frankensooner]

I would be careful calling him on it, he might tell you to shut your ******* **** mouth. ;)

[Frozen Sooner]

This is a continuation of a somewhat troubling trend of McCain's to take credit for things that did not, in fact, happen.

He claims to have a perfect voting record from the VFW and the DAV. In fact, McCain's voting record with the DAV is 20%. I don't have his actual number from the VFW in front of me, but it ain't 100%. He does have the endorsement of the VFW, though.

[NormanPride]

Why can't we have candidates that don't suck? I kinda liked that Colin Powell guy...

[mdklatt]

He claims to have a perfect voting record from the VCW.

Just how old is that guy!? :eek:


:D

[mdklatt]

Why can't we have candidates that don't suck? I kinda liked that Colin Powell guy...

Word. Unfortunately, the kind of people you want to be president are the people that don't want the job in the first place. The first time a story about how he wasn't wearing a lapel pin or some such BS broke, Colin Powell would be all "**** this noise. I quit. You losers are on your own."

[Bourbon St Sooner]

So what you're saying Mike is that McCain's a little loopy. Somehow I don't think that's much of a revelation.

[OULenexaman]

sounds like Mike is riding the Obamarama wagon....

[mdklatt]

So what you're saying Mike is that McCain's a little loopy. Somehow I don't think that's much of a revelation.

In 2000 he was a little loopy in a temperamental I'm-gonna-rip-off-your-head and-****-down-your-neck kind of way. McCain 2008 is not the some candidate as McCain 2000, either by design or mental defect. Probably the former, but I can't help being concerned about the latter sometimes.

[Widescreen]

McCain sucks but he doesn't suck as bad as Obama. I'll be holding my nose and pulling the lever for McCain.

[Frozen Sooner]

Yes, I'm an Obama supporter. I've made no secret of that.

That has nothing to do with the fact that McCain made a self-serving statement that was in direct contradiction of verifiable fact.

So which is it, Lenexa? Could he not remember not being present for a vote and just assumed that he voted for it, or was he lying about it?

I'm inclined to believe the former, but you don't think this is troubling for a guy who flies around on the "Straight Talk Express"?

[Bourbon St Sooner]

In 2000 he was a little loopy in a temperamental I'm-gonna-rip-off-your-head and-****-down-your-neck kind of way. McCain 2008 is not the some candidate as McCain 2000, either by design or mental defect. Probably the former, but I can't help being concerned about the latter sometimes.

Well, I don't know, but it seems like for years watching him on the Sunday talk shows, about half the time I'd be thinking "You know, he's at least a thoughtful statesman" and the other half I'd be thinking "What the holy hell is he talking about?!"

[OULenexaman]

I live in Chicago.... I see the seedy people Obama associates closely with up here....The Tony Rezko trial was quite interesting...but the media kept Obama's involvement with Rezko quietly in the background because he is the darling of Chicago running for Prez.....they are more concerned about frying the governor of Illinois right now.....which they should...I have always been a dem my whole life but this time around I'm not getting anywhere near the Obamarama wagon....it is a dangerous one with no brakes.

[mdklatt]

Well, I don't know, but it seems like for years watching him on the Sunday talk shows, about half the time I'd be thinking "You know, he's at least a thoughtful statesman" and the other half I'd be thinking "What the holy hell is he talking about?!"

Same here. But in 2000, I was thinking "wow, is he nuts". Now I'm more frequently thinking, "wow, is he confused". I think a lot of it is him trying to stay on message with a message he doesn't believe in. I don't think he's been born again as a hard-core Republican in the last 8 years, but that's what he has to run as. I'm not buying into Obama's "slide to the middle" for the same reason.

[Howzit]

So which is it, Lenexa? Could he not remember not being present for a vote and just assumed that he voted for it, or was he lying about it?



Are you thinking we have the answer? Or is that what you big word guys refer to as rhetoricalnessicity?

Either way it's pretty embarassing, no doubt. But I don't find it any more embarassing than the veritable plethora of flip flops Obama has done since securing the nomination to make himself appear more centrist.

And, no, I won't be engaging in a debate with you, as I wouldn't stand a chance against your ginormous brane.

[mdklatt]

But I don't find it any more embarassing than the veritable plethora of flip flops Obama has done since securing the nomination to make himself appear more centrist.


The first one to cast the "flip-flop" stone in this campaign loses. Trying to keep track of McCain's positions will give you motion sickness. He was for balancing the budget before he was against it before he was for it. Since April.

[Howzit]

nuh uh.

plus, you're a big poopy head.

[Frozen Sooner]

Howzit, I don't know if you're being facetious or not. You can certainly hold your own in any debate.

No, my question wasn't rhetorical-I honestly want to know whether Lenexaman thinks that John McCain was lying or whether he thinks McCain was just confused-or possibly if there's a third answer that I'm not seeing.

[mdklatt]

nuh uh.


Just for completeness.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/06/16/mccain-sets-a-new-record-10-flip-flops-in-two-weeks/


With its on-again/off-again/on-again promise to balance the budget by January 2013, the McCain campaign executed that rarest of political maneuvers, the 360. During a February 15th rally in La Crosse, Wisconsin, “McCain promised he’d offer a balanced budget by the end of his first term.” But just days later, McCain’s senior economic adviser Douglas Holtz-Eakin announced a deficit-ending target of 2017. In mid-April, Holtz-Eakin proclaimed, “I would like the next president not to talk about deficit reduction.” McCain, too, signaled the retreat from his first-term balance budget commitment, explaining to Chris Matthews on April 15th that “economic conditions are reversed.”

Apparently economic conditions have improved dramatically since then. On June 6, Holtz-Eakin squared the circle, announcing, “That plan, when appropriately phased in, as it has always been intended to be, will bring the budget to balance by the end of his first term.”

We need a new word to describe stuff like this. Flip-flop-flip? Flip-flop-flap? Flip-unflop? Reach-around?

[Rhino]

No, my question wasn't rhetorical-I honestly want to know whether Lenexaman thinks that John McCain was lying or whether he thinks McCain was just confused-or possibly if there's a third answer that I'm not seeing. Confused about his lying? Lying about his confusion?

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

So, I suppose this thread is intended to somehow persuade people to vote for Obama?(possible confusion vs socialism, dubious allegiance and racism) Well done, coalition.

[OULenexaman]

I'd say he had a senior moment.....Like Lou Pinella said he had the other day when he pulled Fontenot out of the game when he had just hit a homer earlier in the same inning....

[frankensooner]

So, I suppose this thread is intended to somehow persuade people to vote for Obama?(possible confusion vs socialism, dubious allegiance and racism) Well done, coalition.

Its funnier when Rush calls the president's daughter ugly, I know. ;)

[Scott D]

can't Dick Cheney just shoot both candidates so he can become dictator for life?

[OULenexaman]

not a bad idea....then we can just stay the course....

[King Crimson]

So, I suppose this thread is intended to somehow persuade people to vote for Obama?(possible confusion vs socialism, dubious allegiance and racism) Well done, coalition.

http://pic.phyrefile.com/2008/01/17/JumpMat.jpg

[Scott D]

not a bad idea....then we can just stay the course....

nah, he'd trip over the shotgun and manage to Kurt Cobain himself, making me one very happy person. Especially if Hillary was somehow collateral damage.

[mdklatt]

Like Lou Pinella said he had the other day when he pulled Fontenot out of the game when he had just hit a homer earlier in the same inning....

Well sure. What are the odds he'd hit another one in the same game?

[mdklatt]

So, I suppose this thread is intended to somehow persuade people to vote for Obama?

Sounds more like an attempt to persuade people to not vote for McCain. A shortcoming of one candidate is not necessarily a strength for the other. I know that's a hard concept to grasp for the party whose unofficial motto is "What Ted Kennedy did excuses any and all Republican wrongdoings in perpetuity". Another triumph of our binary political system. :rolleyes:

[LosAngelesSooner]

So, I suppose this thread is intended to somehow persuade people to vote for Obama?(possible confusion vs socialism, dubious allegiance and racism) Well done, coalition.You forgot to refer to him as "Hussein" and then imply that he's Muslim.

You're slipping...

[mdklatt]

You forgot to refer to him as "Hussein" and then imply that he's Muslim.

You're slipping...

I think you're confusing him with Tuba.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

I think you're confusing him with Tuba.He can't tell any difference. But, he does make a good Sooners football video.

[r5TPsooner]

Claiming to have voted for a bill when he wasn't present:


Both candidates are a joke.

[OULenexaman]

Well sure. What are the odds he'd hit another one in the same game?

Jim Edmonds did in that same inning hitting before him.....Lou said afterwards..."he did?" I guess I had a senior moment there...probably should not have pulled him for the lefty that came in....my fault."

[Frozen Sooner]

I'd say he had a senior moment.....Like Lou Pinella said he had the other day when he pulled Fontenot out of the game when he had just hit a homer earlier in the same inning....

I'd probably agree with that assessment.

[OULenexaman]

good...now go read the Obama story I posted just for you.:D

[Frozen Sooner]

I did. I just didn't really see anything commentable about it. He got starter funding for a project that didn't end up panning out, which happens from time to time.

[mdklatt]

I did. I just didn't really see anything commentable about it. He got starter funding for a project that didn't end up panning out, which happens from time to time.

But didn't you hear? STAYING THE COURSE is an absolute virtue, even if that course will take you off of a cliff.

[Frozen Sooner]

I don't think Lenexa was going that direction with it, honestly. I think he wanted to point out a failed program that Obama was behind, which is a totally fair point to make.

[mdklatt]

I don't think Lenexa was going that direction with it, honestly. I think he wanted to point out a failed program that Obama was behind, which is a totally fair point to make.

I just read that thread. I see where he was going, now. I somehow got it in my head that you were talking about Obama's support of an Illinois gas tax holiday even though he came out against McHillary's proposal for one. Never mind.

[LosAngelesSooner]

He can't tell any difference. But, he does make a good Sooners football video.There is no difference.

[SicEmBaylor]

The similarities between McCain's '08 campaign and Dole's '96 campaign are really starting to pile up.

[Frozen Sooner]

Except Dole didn't miss as many Senate votes as McCain. ;)

[Hamhock]

Both candidates are a joke.

Chuck Baldwin 2008

[Sooner_Havok]

heh

[mdklatt]

Chuck Baldwin 2008

It's not very impressive that his web site (http://baldwin2008.com/index.php) seems to be running on a 386 with a dial-up connection in somebody's basement.

[Hamhock]

It's not very impressive that his web site (http://baldwin2008.com/index.php) seems to be running on a 386 with a dial-up connection in somebody's basement.

constitutionparty.com

[SicEmBaylor]

If you're going to vote for a 3rd party candidate then vote for the one with the best shot.

http://www.barr08.com

[mdklatt]

constitutionparty.com

A Christian theocracy. No thanks.


EDIT: I've been reading their "platform". More like an idiocracy. No thanks x 100.

[Sooner_Havok]

If you're going to vote for a 3rd party candidate then vote for the one with the best shot.

http://www.barr08.com

Us law abiding Okies can't :mad:

[mdklatt]

Us law abiding Okies can't :mad:

Don't we have write-in votes? I'm pretty sure I voted for Porky Pig for corporation commissioner one year.

[Sooner_Havok]

Don't we have write-in votes? I'm pretty sure I voted for Porky Pig for corporation commissioner one year.

No, they got mad at me for writing "Nadar" on my ballot last time with the big black marker :mad:

[Sooner_Havok]

A Christian theocracy. No thanks.


EDIT: I've been reading their "platform". More like an idiocracy. No thanks x 100.

Dude, that movie sucked :mad:

[mdklatt]

Dude, that movie sucked :mad:

Yeah, sorta. But it did contain some undeniable truths.

[Sooner_Havok]

Yeah, sorta. But it did contain some undeniable truths.

Yeah. It was funny at times too, maybe I just went into it with to high expectations. Maybe I should give it a second chance.

[KC//CRIMSON]

The similarities between McCain's '08 campaign and Dole's '96 campaign are really starting to pile up.

not until Sidney McCain and his orthopedic underwear takes a nose dive off a stage or two.