"Dumbing down sharia law"?

[Turd_Ferguson]

A new report issued by the American Textbook Council (http://www.examiner.com/Subject-American_Textbook_Council.html) says books approved for use in local school districts for teaching middle and high school students about Islam caved in to political correctness and dumbed down the topic at a critical moment in its history."Textbook editors try to avoid any subject that could turn into a political grenade," wrote Gilbert Sewall (http://www.examiner.com/Subject-Gilbert_Sewall.html), director of the council, who railed against five popular history texts for "adjust[ing] the definition of jihad or sharia or remov[ing] these words from lessons to avoid inconvenient truths."
Sewall complains the word jihad has gone through an "amazing cultural reorchestration" in textbooks, losing any connotation of violence. He cites Houghton Mifflin (http://www.examiner.com/Subject-Houghton_Mifflin_Company.html)'s popular middle school text, "Across the Centuries," which has been approved for use in Montgomery County (http://www.examiner.com/Subject-Montgomery_County.html) Schools. It defines "jihad" as a struggle "to do one's best to resist temptation and overcome evil."
"But that is, literally, the translation of jihad," said Reza Aslan (http://www.examiner.com/Subject-Reza_Aslan.html), a religion scholar and acclaimed author of "No god but God: The Origins, Evolution, and Future of Islam." Aslan explained that the definition does not preclude a militant interpretation.
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"How you interpret [jihad] is based on whatever your particular ideology, or world viewpoint, or even prejudice is," Aslan said. "But how you define jihad is set in stone."
A statement from Montgomery County Public Schools said that all text used by teachers had been properly vetted and were appropriate for classroom uses.
Aslan said groups like Sewall's are often more concerned about advancing their own interpretation of Islam than they are about defining its parts and then allowing interpretation to happen at the classroom level.
Sewall's report blames publishing companies for allowing the influence of groups like the California (http://www.examiner.com/Subject-California.html)-based Council on Islamic Education (http://www.examiner.com/Subject-Council_on_Islamic_Education.html) to serve throughout the editorial process as "screeners" for textbooks, softening or deleting potentially unflattering topics within the faith.
"Fundamentally I'm worried about dumbing down textbooks," he said, "by groups that come to state education officials saying we want this and that - and publishers need to find a happy medium."
Maryland (http://www.examiner.com/Subject-Maryland.html) state delegate Saqib Ali (http://www.examiner.com/Subject-Saqib_Ali.html) refrained from joining the fray. "The job of assigning curriculum is best left to educators and the school board, and I trust their judgment," he said.

Nice:rolleyes:

http://www.examiner.com/a-1429570~Council__Mongtomery_schools_cave_to_pressu e_with_Islam_book.html?cid=temp-popular (http://www.examiner.com/a-1429570%7ECouncil__Mongtomery_schools_cave_to_pres sue_with_Islam_book.html?cid=temp-popular)

[tommieharris91]

It's not like there any bias here either way that SCOTUS would and should strike down, being that this is government-sponsored religion promoting...

[Curly Bill]

We can't be offending the Muslims...

...we could have one as the next President. :D

[Okla-homey]

We can't be offending the Muslims...

...we could have one as the next President. :D

:les: HE'S AN EX-MUSLIM!

which is kinda scary if you're him, because under Sharia law, he's a dead man walking.

[Curly Bill]

:les: HE'S AN EX-MUSLIM!

which is kinda scary if you're him, because under Sharia law, he's a dead man walking.

Well there ya go, no wonder HRC now wants the VP spot.

[Frozen Sooner]

:les: HE'S AN EX-MUSLIM!

which is kinda scary if you're him, because under Sharia law, he's a dead man walking.

He's no sort of Muslim, ex or otherwise, actually. But keep spreading that. Maybe your lawn will be green as a result.

[Turd_Ferguson]

He's no sort of Muslim, ex or otherwise, actually. But keep spreading that. Maybe your lawn will be green as a result.and you know this how:confused:

[Turd_Ferguson]

either way, this wasn't about BO.

[StoopTroup]

From all I've read about BHO's past and all of the Rev. Wright stuff, I truely think that if BHO does have issues with religion...I really think it's more of a problem with organized religion than him jumping into being a Muslim.

I have Faith that he and his Wife have a deep Christian Faith but are not going to let that Faith be affected by folks taking pop-shots at them.

I just have a feeling that they are protecting his run from Presidency by keeping their religious views private. A very tough thing to pull off IMO.

[Frozen Sooner]

and you know this how:confused:

Because by the time he was born, his father was an atheist and his mother a non-practicing Christian. He describes himself as being raised in a non-religious household and becoming a Christian as an adult.

[Curly Bill]

Because by the time he was born, his father was an atheist and his mother a non-practicing Christian. He describes himself as being raised in a non-religious household and becoming a Christian as an adult.

or so he says. ;)

[sooner_born_1960]

So, he has a fatwa out on him, or something?

[Frozen Sooner]

Heh. Well, there is that.

[Curly Bill]

fatwas, jihads, sharia this-and-that, and yet the donks nominated one of the crazies as their candidate. :rolleyes:




:D

[Okla-homey]

He's no sort of Muslim, ex or otherwise, actually. But keep spreading that. Maybe your lawn will be green as a result.

Now wait a cotton-picking minute.

His Pop was Muslim. Under Sharia, that makes BHO a Muslim by birth. As a boy, he even attended one of those madrassa's in Jakarta, (the most muslim-y place in the Pacific) in Indonesia, (the world's most populous Islamic state) when his mom dragged him there to live. He went to school there until he was ten.

Based on the fact he converted to Christianity as an adult. At least the Trinity Church "hate whitey" variety of Christianity, I think that makes him an "ex"-Muslim.

That also means he persona non-grata among the Muslim faithful.

[Frozen Sooner]

Now wait a cotton-picking minute.

OK


His Pop was Muslim. Under Sharia, that makes BHO a Muslim by birth.

At the time of his birth, his father had renounced Islam. So, no, by Sharia law he is not a Muslim.


As a boy, he even attended one of those madrassa's somewhere in Indonesia/malaysia/some dang muslim-y place when his mom dragged him there to live.

False. He attended a secular school in Indonesia.


I think that makes him an "ex"-Muslim. Based on the fact he converted to Christianity as an adult. At least the Trinity Church "hate whitey" variety of Christianity.

Since your syllogism is based on false premises, your syllogism is unsound. Beyond that, usage of the term "ex-Muslim" is meant to imply that he was, at one point, a practicing Muslim. He never has been any sort of Muslim, practicing, ex, or otherwise.


That also means he persona non-grata among the Muslim faithful.

Hunh. I wouldn't think you'd use that as an argument against a candidate.

[olevetonahill]

OK



At the time of his birth, his father had renounced Islam. So, no, by Sharia law he is not a Muslim.



False. He attended a secular school in Indonesia.



Since your syllogism is based on false premises, your syllogism is unsound. Beyond that, usage of the term "ex-Muslim" is meant to imply that he was, at one point, a practicing Muslim. He never has been any sort of Muslim, practicing, ex, or otherwise.



Hunh. I wouldn't think you'd use that as an argument against a candidate.

But Mike Is HE circumcised ?

[Okla-homey]

:D


OK



At the time of his birth, his father had renounced Islam. So, no, by Sharia law he is not a Muslim. And we're getting this info from whom? The campaign? His pop's dead, so, its impossible to prove otherwise. How convenient.



False. He attended a secular school in Indonesia. I respectfully dissent. There is no such thing in Indonesia.


Since your syllogism is based on false premises, your syllogism is unsound. Beyond that, usage of the term "ex-Muslim" is meant to imply that he was, at one point, a practicing Muslim. He never has been any sort of Muslim, practicing, ex, or otherwise. Oh please. Ever been to Jakarta?



Hunh. I wouldn't think you'd use that as an argument against a candidate. I would, because it works against him in the practice of his high-intensity negotiating skillz. See, that Iwanajihaad d00d in Iran will actually hold him in lower regard than a garden-variety infidel because BHO's feet had trod the "true path" and he deliberately went another route. That's bad mojo to he extreme among the "beard and turban" set.

[Frozen Sooner]

Gotcha. So this week the Republican doublethink truespeak is that he's hated by crazy terrorist types because he's an apostate instead of being endorsed by terrorists.

I'm getting the information that his father was an atheist at the time of Obama's birth from http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1546579,00.html , which was published in 2006.

If you claim that there is no such thing as a secular school in Indonesia-an assertion you have yet to prove-then why would you assume that he's Muslim simply for attending a school where he had no choice?

Is your argument really based around the fact that he lived in Jakarta from the time he was 7 until he was 10? Really? That's pretty ****ing weak, man.

[Okla-homey]

Gotcha. So this week the Republican doublethink truespeak is that he's hated by crazy terrorist types because he's an apostate instead of being endorsed by terrorists.

I'm getting the information that his father was an atheist at the time of Obama's birth from http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1546579,00.html , which was published in 2006.

If you claim that there is no such thing as a secular school in Indonesia-an assertion you have yet to prove-then why would you assume that he's Muslim simply for attending a school where he had no choice?

Is your argument really based around the fact that he lived in Jakarta from the time he was 7 until he was 10? Really? That's pretty ****ing weak, man.

Look, if your mother is/was born a Jew, you are a Jew. Islam is similar, except its traced patri-lineally. I don't doubt his conversion. All I'm saying is, in the eyes of the Muslim world, the guy is an apostate. And that is not a healthy thing to be.

I've been to Jakarta. Summer of 1997. We went on a official visit/cross-pollination tour of staff colleges while I was on the faculty at Leavenworth. Indonesia, Malaysia, Paki, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Nepal, India. The only majority Muslim state in the world that has "secular" schools is Turkey. Went there in 1992.

These sorts of things are incredibly important in that part of the world. If he does get the job, he will have an inherent disadvantage in that regard. Just saying.

[OklahomaTuba]

It doesn't matter if BHOs dad worshiped the sun, his dad was a Moslem apostate, and therefore any child he had is considered a moslem under Koran law.

Thems the facts.

At least BHO isn't a full blown marxist though. ;)

[tommieharris91]

I've been to Jakarta. Summer of 1997. We went on a official visit/cross-pollination tour of staff colleges while I was on the faculty at Leavenworth. Indonesia, Malaysia, Paki, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Nepal, India. The only majority Muslim state in the world that has "secular" schools is Turkey. Went there in 1992.


Just for the record, Turkey is secular now. Or at least they're trying to be so that the EU will accept them and they can start using the euro as their currency.

[Okla-homey]

Just for the record, Turkey is secular now. Or at least they're trying to be so that the EU will accept them and they can start using the euro as their currency.


I agree. Turkey is the only secular state in the Muslim world. Has been since Attaturk and his band of "Young Turks" kicked over the Caliph and took over after WWI.

[Frozen Sooner]

Look, if your mother is/was born a Jew, you are a Jew. Islam is similar, except its traced patri-lineally. I don't doubt his conversion. All I'm saying is, in the eyes of the Muslim world, the guy is an apostate. And that is not a healthy thing to be.

I've been to Jakarta. Summer of 1997. We went on a official visit/cross-pollination tour of staff colleges while I was on the faculty at Leavenworth. Indonesia, Malaysia, Paki, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Nepal, India. The only majority Muslim state in the world that has "secular" schools is Turkey. Went there in 1992.

These sorts of things are incredibly important in that part of the world. If he does get the job, he will have an inherent disadvantage in that regard. Just saying.


I have to apologize. Barack Obama did not attend a secular school when living in Jakarta.

He went to a Catholic School. He then went to a public school which did, indeed, include some lessons on Islam. Which was not a madrassa.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/chi-070325obama-islam-story,1,6117033.story

[sooner_born_1960]

Even worse. The Pope will be making US policy!

[Turd_Ferguson]

Even worse. The Pope will be making US policy!You are in a van down by the river aren't ya:rolleyes:

[sooner_born_1960]

Actually, I'm working tonight. Why do you think I can post all evening.

[olevetonahill]

Actually, I'm working tonight. Why do you think I can post all evening.

Well in that case we need a drunky thread:D

[Okla-homey]

I have to apologize. Barack Obama did not attend a secular school when living in Jakarta.

He went to a Catholic School. He then went to a public school which did, indeed, include some lessons on Islam. Which was not a madrassa.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/chi-070325obama-islam-story,1,6117033.story

:les: THAT'S WORSE! HE'S AN APOSTATE CATHOLIC AND MUSLIM!

[tommieharris91]

:les: THAT'S WORSE! HE'S AN APOSTATE CATHOLIC AND MUSLIM!

Gives me reason not to vote for him.

[Turd_Ferguson]

Gives me reason not to vote for him.Give me a reason why you would vote for him.

[Frozen Sooner]

:les: THAT'S WORSE! HE'S AN APOSTATE CATHOLIC AND MUSLIM!

Heh. That's going to make it tough to negotiate with Vatican City. That kind of thing is important to them.

[Veritas]

I love how it took all of two posts to make this a BHO-centric thread. :rolleyes:

[tommieharris91]

Heh. That's going to make it tough to negotiate with Vatican City. That kind of thing is important to them.

Yea, he violated the Holy Doctrine of Vatican Law.

[Frozen Sooner]

By the way, here's a response to the whole "His father was a Muslim, so he's a Muslim" thing. Beware, it's on the Huffington Post, so by clicking on it you're committing yourself to becoming a communist sleeper agent:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ali-eteraz/obama-islam-smear-changes_b_101337.html


Fourth, Islamic law recognizes abandonment by the biological father. Obama's Kenyan father abandoned Obama. As such, any religious imprimatur he may have had over Obama -- which is already a stretch since the man was an atheist -- is null and void. In such a situation, Obama's mother's religion is controlling. She was not Muslim. Even if someone makes the argument from patriarchy: that Obama's paternal grandparents were his rightful guardians, that would fail since they also constructively abandoned him.

[Scott D]

I love how it took all of two posts to make this a BHO-centric thread. :rolleyes:

well mental deficiency will do as mental deficiency is.

[Whet]

He's no sort of Muslim, ex or otherwise, actually. But keep spreading that. Maybe your lawn will be green as a result.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/179905/campaign_now_says_barak_hussein_obama.html


friends[/COLOR] (http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/179905/theme/1568/friends.html) and teachers report that as a boy Obama was registered as a Muslim, studied the Koran in a Muslim school, and prayed at the local mosque.

In a statement to The Times on Wednesday, March 14, the campaign offered this statement: "Obama has never been a practicing Muslim. The statement added that as a child, Obama had spent time in the neighborhood's Islamic center. This is a departure from the earlier statement made by the Obama campaign on January 24.]

To read the rest, follow the link.....

[Curly Bill]

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/179905/campaign_now_says_barak_hussein_obama.html

[QUOTEWhile CNN proved false the claims that Senator Barak Hussein Obama had been raised in a radical Islamic madrassa, today, the LA Times reports that his childhood friends (http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/179905/theme/1568/friends.html) and teachers report that as a boy Obama was registered as a Muslim, studied the Koran in a Muslim school, and prayed at the local mosque.

In a statement to The Times on Wednesday, March 14, the campaign offered this statement: "Obama has never been a practicing Muslim. The statement added that as a child, Obama had spent time in the neighborhood's Islamic center. This is a departure from the earlier statement made by the Obama campaign on January 24.]


Of course he's never been a "practicing" Muslim - he was a Muslim.

It's like: I'm not a practicing OU fan -- I am an OU fan.

[Frozen Sooner]

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/179905/campaign_now_says_barak_hussein_obama.html


friends[/COLOR] (http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/179905/theme/1568/friends.html) and teachers report that as a boy Obama was registered as a Muslim, studied the Koran in a Muslim school, and prayed at the local mosque.

In a statement to The Times on Wednesday, March 14, the campaign offered this statement: "Obama has never been a practicing Muslim. The statement added that as a child, Obama had spent time in the neighborhood's Islamic center. This is a departure from the earlier statement made by the Obama campaign on January 24.]

Already addressed above.

To read the rest, follow the link.....

[Scott D]

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[Okla-homey]

So, lets recap. It appears the guy was a born a Muslim, and became a Christian at some point during his adult life.

[Scott D]

using your logic in this thread, my mother was born a methodist which would make me a methodist, despite the fact that I was baptized as an episcopal.

[Okla-homey]

using your logic in this thread, my mother was born a methodist which would make me a methodist, despite the fact that I was baptized as an episcopal.

Its not my logic silly.;)

It's the rule as applied by that particular religion. Christianity does not impart such membership at birth like Judaism and Islam does. However, some Christian denominations impart a form of "provisional" membership on christening as infants. For example, such people are sometimes referred to as "cradle Catholics". A person generally must follow-through and be "confirmed" during childhood for full membership.

[Frozen Sooner]

So, lets recap. It appears the guy was a born a Muslim, and became a Christian at some point during his adult life.

Er, no. According to Islamic law, he was not born a Muslim. Don't let facts get in the way, though. Half-truths are much more fun.

[Scott D]

Its not my logic silly.;)

It's the rule as applied by that particular religion. Christianity does not impart such membership at birth like Judaism and Islam does. However, some Christian denominations impart a form of "provisional" membership on christening as infants. For example, such people are sometimes referred to as "cradle Catholics". A person generally must follow-through and be "confirmed" during childhood for full membership.

I still stand by my post prior to the post this post is replying to as the proper summary of this thread.

[OklahomaRed]

If that is the logic, then if I were born to and raised by an ex KKK-father, and he renounced his KKK ties before I was born, and I spent some time, even though I never accepted the KKK philosophy, learning about the KKK and was seen "hanging out" at a couple of rallies as a young boy, I would not be influenced at ALL? :confused: Same logic.

[Frozen Sooner]

Actually, it's not, but that's OK. You obviously didn't actually read the thread.

[sooner_born_1960]

Yeah dude. In this case, apples and oranges.

[OklahomaRed]

the LA Times reports that his childhood friends and teachers report that as a boy Obama was registered as a Muslim, studied the Koran in a Muslim school, and prayed at the local mosque.


In a statement to The Times on Wednesday, March 14, the campaign offered this statement: "Obama has never been a practicing Muslim. The statement added that as a child, Obama had spent time in the neighborhood's Islamic center. This is a departure from the earlier statement made by the Obama campaign on January 24.][quote]

Hey Mike. What's up? :D I actually did read the thread, as I was referring to the quote above out of the LA Times (I assume). I'm just pointing out that the logic doesn't follow if you and Scott are trying to make the assumption that he's clean as a whistle, and that he is not influenced at all by either his upbringing, or his 20 year membership in a hate filled church? :confused:

[OklahomaRed]

My caution here is to go into this next election open minded. I am as sick and tired of "W" as much as the next guy, and I feel he has definitely wrecked the economy, catered to the rich, and big oil; however, what do we really know about BHO? He just has to much weird stuff in his past, as well as his lack of experience. I don't want to jump from the frying pan into the fire here just for the sake of "change"? Perhaps McCain is not that bad of an alternative considering our choices?

[Scott D]

the LA Times reports that his childhood friends and teachers report that as a boy Obama was registered as a Muslim, studied the Koran in a Muslim school, and prayed at the local mosque.

Hey Mike. What's up? :D I actually did read the thread, as I was referring to the quote above out of the LA Times (I assume). I'm just pointing out that the logic doesn't follow if you and Scott are trying to make the assumption that he's clean as a whistle, and that he is not influenced at all by either his upbringing, or his 20 year membership in a hate filled church? :confused:

I've never made any assumption that he's 'clean as a whistle'. But rather, this is a tired old argument that has cropped up dating back to his run for the Senate. It didn't work then, it doesn't appear to be working now perhaps those trying to discredit Obama should try a new tactic that might actually work.

[JohnnyMack]

I live in a state that is actually considering making "God did it" an acceptable answer in school.


Timmy, why are there mountains?

God did it.

Sally, why are there rainbows?

God did it.

Very good, you both get A's.

What a cluster****.

[sooner_born_1960]

If they ask stupid questions like that they should give credit for any answer.

[Frozen Sooner]

the LA Times reports that his childhood friends and teachers report that as a boy Obama was registered as a Muslim, studied the Koran in a Muslim school, and prayed at the local mosque.

[quote]

Hey Mike. What's up? :D I actually did read the thread, as I was referring to the quote above out of the LA Times (I assume). I'm just pointing out that the logic doesn't follow if you and Scott are trying to make the assumption that he's clean as a whistle, and that he is not influenced at all by either his upbringing, or his 20 year membership in a hate filled church? :confused:

Neither of us are making any such claim, which you would know had you read the thread-nor do I accept the loaded terminology you use.

[Dio]

I agree. Turkey is the only secular state in the Muslim world. Has been since Attaturk and his band of "Young Turks" kicked over the Caliph and took over after WWI.

This one time, Rod Stewart collapsed on stage...

[OklahomaRed]

Loaded terminology? I find it odd how you can prop up this type statement after reading some of your posts. Your posts are "loaded" with loaded terminology.

[quote]Actually, it's not, but that's OK. You obviously didn't actually read the thread.[quote]

You shoot from the hip on numerous occassions such as this with one line come backs, yet you accuse someone of "loaded terminoloy"? Must be nice up there on your pedestal?

Frankly, I don't give a rip if my logic works on you or Scott D or not? I could care less about your opinions. The proof will be in the results.

[sooner_born_1960]

To sum this thread up:
OklahomaRed sucks at quoting. ;)

[OklahomaRed]

That's no frickin' lie! I try to do "segment quotes" and I get the entire page? I know it has something to do with the quotation marks on the bottom right hand corner, but I haven't messed with it long enough to figure it out? :D

[Turd_Ferguson]

To sum this thread up:
OklahomaRed sucks at quoting. ;)Yet, you skipped right over Mike.:rolleyes:

[sooner_born_1960]

the secret is to [/quote] the end

[sooner_born_1960]

Yet, you skipped right over Mike.:rolleyes:
I gave him a pass because I only noticed one trangression. OklahomaRed butchered it twice within a couple of posts. That, and I thought Mike might be making fun of OklahomaRed's quoting style.

[OklahomaRed]

Yet, you skipped right over Mike.:rolleyes:

My real name is "Mike" as well, so he actually didn't skip over Mike? :D

[Frozen Sooner]

Loaded terminology? I find it odd how you can prop up this type statement after reading some of your posts. Your posts are "loaded" with loaded terminology.

[quote]Actually, it's not, but that's OK. You obviously didn't actually read the thread.[quote]

You shoot from the hip on numerous occassions such as this with one line come backs, yet you accuse someone of "loaded terminoloy"? Must be nice up there on your pedestal?

Frankly, I don't give a rip if my logic works on you or Scott D or not? I could care less about your opinions. The proof will be in the results.

Nothing loaded about my terminology at all. I took the more charitable approach of assuming that you didn't read the thread as opposed to assuming that you couldn't understand written English-as you've attributed an opinion to both Scott and me that neither of us espoused and had nothing to do with the claims made by any party in the thread.

[Frozen Sooner]

Yet, you skipped right over Mike.:rolleyes:

Not really my job to go back and fix his UBB screwups when I'm quoting him.

[Chuck Bao]

I'm not agreeing with quite a number of posts in this thread.

I would have thought that both Indonesia and Malaysia would be considered secular states with dominant Muslim populations and representative govements. Both have quite diverse minority populations who are represented. I've never been to Jakarta, but I've been in the region for 20 years. Homey's "largest muslim population" seems to me to be painting it a bit out of context to reality.

I also don't quite accept Homey's belief that the Jewish faith about maternal lineage. I think it is more to do about heritage than faith. Beside that there can be Jewish faith conversion without the mother being Jewish.

I know Thailand and I know that the very best private schools here are Catholic. This may be neither here nor there, but some of my Buddhist friends send their children to these prestigious schools and their children some times identify themselves as Catholic to fit in. For Buddhists, that isn't a bad thing.

For a mom, who is non-religious, I can imagine that her son identifying with a particular faith is not an issue at all if you think that he can make his own judgment.

I think Obama did just that and anyone who is trying to judge him on what school that he went to ages 7-10 is just silly.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

Because by the time he was born, his father was an atheist and his mother a non-practicing Christian. He describes himself as being raised in a non-religious household and becoming a Christian when it became politically expedient.

Fixed it for ya...;)

Have no reason to doubt his conversion, just find it interesting that it seemed in recent times to serve his political rise. Oh, and lets say I am not singling him out. Others have definitely chosen a group to join because it was politically expedient.

Chuck, I have been to both Malaysia and Indonesia. I would definitely call them Muslim nations, just not like the ME.

[Chuck Bao]

Fixed it for ya...;)

Have no reason to doubt his conversion, just find it interesting that it seemed in recent times to serve his political rise. Oh, and lets say I am not singling him out. Others have definitely chosen a group to join because it was politically expedient.

Chuck, I have been to both Malaysia and Indonesia. I would definitely call them Muslim nations, just not like the ME.


You can call Indonesia and Malaysia muslim and they really are, THA. Honestly, I couldn't live in either of them because of it. I still think that branding everyone from there as muslim may not be accurate as well.

I was watching CNN or CNBC on Sunday and they carried a promo for a future programme on executives in Asia. They had this very proper British looking and sounding dude on and he said that he is third generation Malaysian. I guess his family has owned a plantation in Malaysia for a hundred years or so.

I think he was from Panang. In my opinion if anyone wants to experience all of Asia in one place, Panang is the best place. They had a British pub there that was just rocking every night. They have the Chinese, the Hindu, the Muslim, the British and the ladyboys.

And, I'm pretty sure that they are not throwing the pretty boys down from mountain tops in either Malaysia or Indonesia.

[Animal Mother]

From all I've read about BHO's past and all of the Rev. Wright stuff, I truely think that if BHO does have issues with religion...I really think it's more of a problem with organized religion than him jumping into being a Muslim.

I have Faith that he and his Wife have a deep Christian Faith but are not going to let that Faith be affected by folks taking pop-shots at them.

I just have a feeling that they are protecting his run from Presidency by keeping their religious views private. A very tough thing to pull off IMO.

Nail on the head Stoop Troup.

[Animal Mother]

fatwas, jihads, sharia this-and-that, and yet the donks nominated one of the crazies as their candidate. :rolleyes:




:D

He hasn't been nominated yet. There is still much time for you or your minions to take matters into their own hands. Or will you wait until 01/21/09 ?

[Animal Mother]

:D

Oh so you lived in Jakarta long enough to re-boot some Conoco engineers laptop and you're an expert on the place. Man I love the innerweb. I get to meet all these "experts" without really meeting them.

And the Conoco reference is just my way of saying you're full of it in case you were wondering.

[Animal Mother]

Give me a reason why you would vote for him.

You are a Turd aren't you?

[olevetonahill]

You are a Turd aren't you?

Do you think your Right ALL the time ?
Or just when your awake and On the Board ?

[Animal Mother]

Do you think your Right ALL the time ?
Or just when your awake and On the Board ?

All the time. Why can't I be a big smartazz on here like everyone else?
If it bothers you, you can sue me.

[Sooner_Havok]

Which is worse, the Catholicism part or the Muslim part?

[soonerscuba]

Remember when the Republicans ran an alcoholic failure in 2000 and 2004 and told us his youth (youth is defined as 40) was troubled but he found Jesus and while still a failure pile, had admitted he lacked the self-control to have a beer with dinner? Now they cry foul for what a man didn't do when he was 7? Wow.

[Sooner_Havok]

Remember when the Republicans ran an alcoholic failure in 2000 and 2004 and told us his youth (youth is defined as 40) was troubled but he found Jesus and while still a failure pile, had admitted he lacked the self-control to have a beer with dinner? Now they cry foul for what a man didn't do when he was 7? Wow.

But he didn't start out as a Muslim. If you can't see the difference, you have some pretty big blinders on. Damn, he was raised around Muslims, that doesn't bother you?

:rolleyes:

[olevetonahill]

All the time. Why can't I be a big smartazz on here like everyone else?
If it bothers you, you can sue me.

Ok Sue .
I just thot It funny that you are putting folks down as experts while trying to come across as one yourself ;)

[Animal Mother]

But he didn't start out as a Muslim. If you can't see the difference, you have some pretty big blinders on. Damn, he was raised around Muslims, that doesn't bother you?

:rolleyes:

I was raised around osu fans. Does that bother you?

Am I going to be forced to use those damn emoticons? I've made 500 plus posts. Hasn't everyone sensed that I am insane and a huge smartazz?

[Turd_Ferguson]

You are a Turd aren't you?Ok, I give, you got me.

[olevetonahill]

I was raised around osu fans. Does that bother you?

Am I going to be forced to use those damn emoticons? I've made 500 plus posts. Hasn't everyone sensed that I am insane and a huge dumazz?

WEll you said it , I didnt

[Sooner_Havok]

I was raised around osu fans. Does that bother you?

Yes, yes it does.


Am I going to be forced to use those damn emoticons? I've made 500 plus posts. Hasn't everyone sensed that I am insane and a huge smartazz?

Hey! emoticons are :cool:

[Animal Mother]

Ok, I give, you got me.


I got me too because I can't remember what I was referring to................................................ ..........................Wait. You said "you are in a van down by the river" so I said the part about you are a turd. See my previous post about emoticons.


I need to post from work where I have more continuity A.K.A. I stay on for answers to posts.

Also see my Olevet's post agreeing that I am right because I said I was crazy.

[olevetonahill]

I got me too because I can't remember what I was referring to................................................ ..........................Wait. You said "you are in a van down by the river" so I said the part about you are a turd. See my previous post about emoticons.


I need to post from work where I have more continuity A.K.A. I stay on for answers to posts.

Also see my Olevet's post agreeing that I am right because I said I was crazy.

Are you Pink Floyds Troll ? :confused:

[Sooner_Havok]

Are you Pink Floyds Troll ? :confused:

:D :D :D

[olevetonahill]

:D :D :D

Im such a smartazz :D