James Yee to speak in Tulsa this Friday

[JohnnyMack]

http://www.tulsaworld.com/lifestyle/article.aspx?subjectID=18&articleID=20080531_18_A11_spancl297555

Homey,

got any interest in going?

[Okla-homey]

Naw. I generally won't go out of my way to hear a traitor brag about getting away with it. He wasn't acquitted. The charges (mishandling classified material, failing to obey an order, making a false official statement, adultery and conduct unbecoming an officer and downloading pornography on his government laptop) were dropped. There is a difference.

[JohnnyMack]

I don't know much about this guy, but why were the charges dropped? I see he got an honorable discharge, is that normal too?

[C&CDean]

A bullet behind his left ear is what he deserves.

Nothing more, nothing less.

[JohnnyMack]

OK.

I guess I'll go read about it or something. Since our two senior hawks have weighed in.

[Okla-homey]

The Army dropped the charges because of the politically-charged environment surrounding the case. That, and the fact Yee was one of only a handful of Muslim chaplains in the Army. That's why he was down at GITMO in the first place. The Army wisely didn't want to be perceived/spun as beating up on the guy because of his faith. Yee got an "honorable" because in the absence of a conviction, he served honorably.

That said, go listen to the bum if you want.

[JohnnyMack]

I went Friday night. About 60 - 75 people showed up. ACLU types. Interfaith Alliance types and Muslims. Yee is an average speaker and he did forget to mention his conviction on the nudie pics he had on his computer and the adultery. While his story seems plausible, with no word at all from the other side it's obviously hard to make a solid determination of his guilt or innocence.

Homey I know you'll tow the party line and say "He's guilty", but if the Gubmint had something on him, I still don't buy the "we didn't want to upset anyone's tender sensibilities" line.

[C&CDean]

I went Friday night. About 60 - 75 people showed up. ACLU types. Interfaith Alliance types and Muslims. Yee is an average speaker and he did forget to mention his conviction on the nudie pics he had on his computer and the adultery. While his story seems plausible, with no word at all from the other side it's obviously hard to make a solid determination of his guilt or innocence.

Homey I know you'll tow the party line and say "He's guilty", but if the Gubmint had something on him, I still don't buy the "we didn't want to upset anyone's tender sensibilities" line.

What kind of ****ed up life do you have if you'll waste some of it to go listen to this POS?

[Okla-homey]

I went Friday night. About 60 - 75 people showed up. ACLU types. Interfaith Alliance types and Muslims. Yee is an average speaker and he did forget to mention his conviction on the nudie pics he had on his computer and the adultery. While his story seems plausible, with no word at all from the other side it's obviously hard to make a solid determination of his guilt or innocence.

Homey I know you'll tow the party line and say "He's guilty", but if the Gubmint had something on him, I still don't buy the "we didn't want to upset anyone's tender sensibilities" line.

Its not about towing the line or not, prosecutors often refuse to prosecute because of political considerations. In fact, they have dang near unfettered discretion. Moreover, if he did nothing, then why isn't he still a Muslim chaplain in the Army? Prollly because they administratively discharged him or he was hammered with administrative punishment that made subsequent promotion impossible. Remember, the military is "up or out" until a guy makes major (O-4).

[JohnnyMack]

What kind of ****ed up life do you have if you'll waste some of it to go listen to this POS?

My Step-FIL invited me to go with him. He just moved here from Jersey. Since I didn't know much about this story I decided to go. Then I went to Kilkenny's and drank beer. Dark good beer that a sissy like you wouldn't appreciate.

[JohnnyMack]

Its not about towing the line or not, prosecutors often refuse to prosecute because of political considerations. In fact, they have dang near unfettered discretion. Moreover, if he did nothing, then why isn't he still a Muslim chaplain in the Army? Prollly because they administratively discharged him or he was hammered with administrative punishment that made subsequent promotion impossible. Remember, the military is "up or out" until a guy makes major (O-4).

Again I'm just relaying what he said in his talk. He claimed that he was told by the detainees that they felt like they were being mistreated (didn't reference the desecration of the Koran part) and that he started to relay this info. to his higher ups there at Gitmo. He insinuated that he felt that he had irritated some of the interrogators (not the U.S. Army type but the spooks) and that they wanted him off the base. So he says he was detained at the airport in J-ville, FL, shackled up, had the goggles & earmuffs put on him, drove him to Charleston and left him in solitary for 75 or so days. He then was taken out of solitary, given a lawyer and his lawyer asked to see the evidence that they had against him, they didn't produce it, dropped the charges of spying but then charged him with disobeying an order for taking paperwork off the base that he wasn't supposed to have. Then those charges were dropped, but he did plead guilty to having porn (naked pics from what I gather) on his laptop and plead guilty to having an affair with another soldier while at Gitmo. He was returned to duty up at his original base in WA where he retired/resigned/quit whatever a year or so later.

That's the Cliff Notes version.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

The Army dropped the charges because of the politically-charged environment surrounding the case. That, and the fact Yee was one of only a handful of Muslim chaplains in the Army. That's why he was down at GITMO in the first place. The Army wisely didn't want to be perceived/spun as beating up on the guy because of his faith. Yee got an "honorable" because in the absence of a conviction, he served honorably.

That said, go listen to the bum if you want.

That and if you believe the Pentagon, they didn't want to make sensitive information public so they let it pass. The rest fell into place for Yee. I do think he did something and I don't think it was for the betterment of the U.S. I'd show up to give him a bag with my turd in it...

J-Mack - was that a hetero or homo affair? One you may have breached military ethics, the other, you breached a tenent of faith and the DA-DT philosophy. Yet he still was a Man of the Book and he had an affair. I would say his ethics appear lacking.

[JohnnyMack]

Yet he still was a Man of the Book and he had an affair. I would say his ethics appear lacking.

I agree and that was one of my main sources of contention with his talk. He totally ignored that issue.

That doesn't mean he's guilty of treason, but it does diminish his image in my mind.