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JohnnyMack
6/3/2008, 09:10 PM
I mean come on, even if you're a McCain supporter you have to admit that that was terrible. What awful delivery.

SicEmBaylor
6/3/2008, 09:13 PM
I mean come on, even if you're a McCain supporter you have to admit that that was terrible. What awful delivery.

Awful delivery in front of half a dozen people with even fewer watching it on TV.

Mongo
6/3/2008, 09:16 PM
I mean come on, even if you're a McCain supporter you have to admit that that was terrible. What awful delivery.


all that Obama semen has clouded your judgement:D

olevetonahill
6/3/2008, 09:18 PM
Nope
Which one was Talkin ?
Lets see we Now seem to Have oBamama, with the Bitch as a Running mate
Next JM
When they STFU about whos the worst. I might Listen .
Right Now Im Leaning To JM
oBamama Might Get a Listen If He dosent Choose The Hill as a Mate :rolleyes:

swardboy
6/3/2008, 09:18 PM
John Kennedy has to have been the greatest Presidential orator of my time.
Obama talks like a broken record wannabe.
Reagan's voice didn't stir me often.
Bush just disappointed every time, except for his speech to congress after 9/11.

Rush Limbaugh's imitation of John McCain just about makes me wreck every time I hear it when driving...he's got the little man with a chip on his shoulder down to a T.

SouthFortySooner
6/3/2008, 09:18 PM
No

tommieharris91
6/3/2008, 09:19 PM
Yea, I'm undecided right now, but if Obama wants a chance at my vote, he'll nominate someone else.

olevetonahill
6/3/2008, 09:24 PM
Right Now It seems to me that we Have a choice
A man that went thru Hell In Nam. that Has some experince
Or a Silver spoon, and a Bitch
Tuff choice so far :rolleyes:

SanJoaquinSooner
6/3/2008, 09:28 PM
If Obama wants my vote he'll support the Colombian Free Trade Pact.

Who gives a f**k if McCain is a good rapper?

mikeelikee
6/3/2008, 09:35 PM
Yeah, I must agree, Hussein gives a much better speech than McCain. But if you listen to him answer questions on an impromptu basis, such as the presser when he announced he was (FINALLY) quitting his church, he stammers around his answers just as much as G. W. Bush.

ousoonerfan
6/3/2008, 09:39 PM
I listened to that smoke screen she laid out. It cracks me up that she's not willing to concede and play by the rules of her own party. 18 million voters blah blah blah...

sooneron
6/3/2008, 09:45 PM
Or a Silver spoon, and a Bitch


W's running again?:confused:

JohnnyMack
6/3/2008, 09:49 PM
a Silver spoon

Silver spoon? Srsly? He was raised by a single Mom and his Grandparents. He put himself through Harvard. No one gave this man anything.

Scott D
6/3/2008, 09:55 PM
Yeah, I must agree, Hussein gives a much better speech than McCain. But if you listen to him answer questions on an impromptu basis, such as the presser when he announced he was (FINALLY) quitting his church, he stammers around his answers just as much as G. W. Bush.

so everyone can't be like Sidney in your world...ok.

achiro
6/3/2008, 10:09 PM
So it's not the content you are bitching about, its the delivery? Typical.

Scott D
6/3/2008, 10:12 PM
I'm bitching that it's by a guy named Sidney :D

Blue
6/3/2008, 10:12 PM
McCains speech was painful. He's a struggle. Obama was good as usual. I'm about to jump on this Obama bandwagon. Whether his policies help or hurt, it's only four years and atleast it'll be interesting.

JohnnyMack
6/3/2008, 10:17 PM
So it's not the content you are bitching about, its the delivery? Typical.

No, I don't think much of his policy either.

Meh to you, I'm going to bed.

SicEmBaylor
6/3/2008, 10:22 PM
The content sucked too except the Federal spending bit.

olevetonahill
6/3/2008, 10:23 PM
Silver spoon? Srsly? He was raised by a single Mom and his Grandparents. He put himself through Harvard. No one gave this man anything.

Shows Ya how Much tention Ive Paid HUH ?
:P

sooneron
6/3/2008, 10:23 PM
McCains speech was painful. He's a struggle. Obama was good as usual. I'm about to jump on this Obama bandwagon. Whether his policies help or hurt, it's only four years and atleast it'll be interesting.

Only if Chuck D is sec'y of Interior!:texan:

def_lazer_fc
6/3/2008, 10:45 PM
Silver spoon? Srsly? He was raised by a single Mom and his Grandparents. He put himself through Harvard. No one gave this man anything.

thats not what limbaugh said. :rolleyes:

Veritas
6/3/2008, 10:54 PM
all that Obama semen has clouded your judgement:D

Yeah, he's managed to jam the idea of universal healthcare not being the worst idea ever down a lot of people's throats.

olevetonahill
6/3/2008, 10:56 PM
Yeah, he's managed to jam the idea of universal healthcare not being the worst idea ever down a lot of people's throats.

Who ?
Are you ?:D

achiro
6/3/2008, 11:20 PM
No, I don't think much of his policy either.

Meh to you, I'm going to bed.

But thats not what you posted about here so apparently its more about the delivery. Again I say typical. You are the first to run to the defense of Obama when someone is attacking something besides his policies but the first to attack JM for something besides his...typical

texas bandman
6/3/2008, 11:48 PM
I didn't hear McCain, but I try not to listen anymore. He used to be a maverick, someone who voted his convictions. He's gone so far right that I wouldn't even think of voting for him now. Sad I used to like him.

def_lazer_fc
6/4/2008, 12:51 AM
yeah, the mccain of 2000 is sadly not the same as the mccain of 08. as an independent, i wouldn't have minded him winning in 2000, but he is but a shadow of what he once was. and purely for political reasons. :(

StoopTroup
6/4/2008, 01:10 AM
The deal with McCain is that he realizes that he has to follow a decent Campaign Strategy this time or he'll get crushed again.

I just don't believe he's different at all....he's just doing what it takes to get elected.

Once he's in there or if he's in there...he'll go right back to his roots.

SleestakSooner
6/4/2008, 03:34 AM
http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/1279/bhopeem2.jpg


http://uglyrepublicans.com/republicans/United-States/John-McCain/john-mccain-pirate.jpg

Argh!

AlbqSooner
6/4/2008, 06:34 AM
Lemme see. We have a lawyer married to a biotch running with a biotch who is a lawyer and married to a lawyer on the Dem side.
The Pubs offer a genuine war hero who is married to a blonde with big funbags who owns a beer distributorship.
WTF? Is there a choice here?

Harry Beanbag
6/4/2008, 07:22 AM
I didn't hear McCain, but I try not to listen anymore. He used to be a maverick, someone who voted his convictions. He's gone so far right that I wouldn't even think of voting for him now. Sad I used to like him.

:confused:

Harry Beanbag
6/4/2008, 07:23 AM
Silver spoon? Srsly? He was raised by a single Mom and his Grandparents. He put himself through Harvard. No one gave this man anything.


Makes you wonder why a guy like that would be a socialist then.

VeeJay
6/4/2008, 07:24 AM
Heard Dick Morris say that Hillary is jockeying for the co-presidency "with a shotgun and a battering ram." Imagine the upstaging that would go on with Hillary and the silver fox by her side.

Speaking of which, I heard an audiotape yesterday where der Schliekmeister referred to someone as a "scumbag." That's funny stuff right there.

swardboy
6/4/2008, 08:05 AM
Speaking of which, I heard an audiotape yesterday where der Schliekmeister referred to someone as a "scumbag." That's funny stuff right there.

Even funnier, it was Dee Dee Myers husband he was slammin' ! For writing a piece in Vanity Fair on der Shlickmeister's womanizing. If the Clintons were repubs, they'd have been a footnote in history looong ago....

soonerinabilene
6/4/2008, 08:16 AM
Maybe McCain should take speech lessons from the Rock like Obama did.

OU4LIFE
6/4/2008, 08:19 AM
Heard Dick Morris say that Hillary is jockeying for the co-presidency "with a shotgun and a battering ram." Imagine the upstaging that would go on with Hillary and the silver fox by her side.

Speaking of which, I heard an audiotape yesterday where der Schliekmeister referred to someone as a "scumbag." That's funny stuff right there.

um, not to point out the obvious, but if she get's the VP, I can GUARANTEE you will more than likely see out first pres. assass. in more than 40 years. Am I the only one that sees that?

Condescending Sooner
6/4/2008, 08:40 AM
Silver spoon? Srsly? He was raised by a single Mom and his Grandparents. He put himself through Harvard. No one gave this man anything.


He got absolutley NO help with his college expenses? He didn't get scholarships, grants, and his grandparents didn't help him at all? Wow. I would imagine it would take a lot of dishwashing to put yourself through Harvard. He is even more of a god than I thought.

OU4LIFE
6/4/2008, 08:50 AM
He got absolutley NO help with his college expenses? He didn't get scholarships, grants, and his grandparents didn't help him at all? Wow. I would imagine it would take a lot of dishwashing to put yourself through Harvard. He is even more of a god than I thought.

do you have to be so condescending?

oh, wait...

JohnnyMack
6/4/2008, 09:14 AM
But thats not what you posted about here so apparently its more about the delivery. Again I say typical. You are the first to run to the defense of Obama when someone is attacking something besides his policies but the first to attack JM for something besides his...typical

I pointed out that it was a god awful speech and I think anyone, even the most ardent McCain supporter would agree it wasn't good. That was the point of this particular thread. I wasn't making straw man and ad hominem arguments. I wasn't throwing out red herrings or using fallacies to make my point. I avoided scare tactics, ageism, and thought I had simply sad that I thought his speech sucked in terms of delivery.

Here is exactly what I said:


I mean come on, even if you're a McCain supporter you have to admit that that was terrible. What awful delivery.

If I had come out and said that McCain is too old to be POTUS! He's a crazy old man whacked out from all that time as a POW! His wife looks like a villain from a Disney movie! Or something along those lines then yeah, I can see how you'd think I was being hypocritical.

As it is. I win. You lose. Nanny, nanny boo-boo, stick your head in doo-doo.

C&CDean
6/4/2008, 10:20 AM
No JM, you lose. You're pimping your boy based on a POS speech that McCain gave. Your total argument is that Brack is a good speaker, and that McCain isn't. That's it.

And we all know how shallow, weak, and pathetic people are who evaluate a POTUS based on his speaking ability. No?

stoopified
6/4/2008, 10:52 AM
Anyone who thinks that a great orator makes a great President needs to recall Jimmy NO-COJONES Carter.Substance is FAR more important.

picasso
6/4/2008, 12:22 PM
I mean come on, even if you're a McCain supporter you have to admit that that was terrible. What awful delivery.
yeah because you have to give good speeches to be a good president!

nice doosh logic.

Obama's eloquent speaking is all he really has going for him. Well done delivery while really saying nothing. Yeah dude!

Change! What a novel political idea.

mdklatt
6/4/2008, 12:29 PM
Well done delivery while really saying nothing. Yeah dude!



What does McCain ever say? His "I Have A Dream About Iraq" speech was lovely and all, but he offered zero evidence of a plan to actually make that happen. Does he have an energy policy beyond his DOA idea to transfer money from the highway fund to oil companies until Labor Day?

picasso
6/4/2008, 12:29 PM
I didn't hear McCain, but I try not to listen anymore. He used to be a maverick, someone who voted his convictions. He's gone so far right that I wouldn't even think of voting for him now. Sad I used to like him.

huh? so far right of what?

picasso
6/4/2008, 12:34 PM
What does McCain ever say? His "I Have A Dream About Iraq" speech was lovely and all, but he offered zero evidence of a plan to actually make that happen. Does he have an energy policy beyond his DOA idea to transfer money from the highway fund to oil companies until Labor Day?

yes you're right, he had no influence on changing the strategy in Iraq, putting new people in charge to what seems to be actually working now. and you should like his energy policy, he actually wants to get off of our dependency for oil and tax the oil companies. Something I disagree with (the tax bit).

Look I'm all for changing away from ol Bushie and we're going to get that with either candidate.

Obama is just offering bigger government, higher taxes and edging us closer to socialism. an idea Europe seems to be rejecting these days.

I'll pass.

mdklatt
6/4/2008, 12:37 PM
and you should like his energy policy, he actually wants to get off of our dependency for oil and tax the oil companies

Like a windfall tax?

JohnnyMack
6/4/2008, 12:41 PM
yeah because you have to give good speeches to be a good president!

nice doosh logic.

Obama's eloquent speaking is all he really has going for him. Well done delivery while really saying nothing. Yeah dude!

Change! What a novel political idea.

When did I say that you smacktard?

I said the speech sucked.

It would be like if I posted in the football forum the day after a game in which Tony Romo threw 6 interceptions in a game and I said "Did anyone else see that god awful performance by Romo?"

You people are so sensitive.

Sooner_Havok
6/4/2008, 12:52 PM
When did I say that you smacktard?

I said the speech sucked.

It would be like if I posted in the football forum the day after a game in which Tony Romo threw 6 interceptions in a game and I said "Did anyone else see that god awful performance by Romo?"

You people are so sensitive.

Dude, some of these same folks told me I was attacking Cheney, Bush, and the USA in the thread were I said I was ****ed off that contractors in Iraq couldn't wire a shower area properly. Some people read one word in a post, and then begin formulating a reply that, more often then not, has very little to do with what you actually said.

Your avatar is Obama 08, for a lot of people on this board, that is all they need to see of your posts to know you are attacking their guy and pimping yours. You said his speech sucked, it did. You never said that the content in it was bad. But since you have an Obama avatar, you said that McCain can't give speeches, and that good oration is what makes for a good president.

Curly Bill
6/4/2008, 12:58 PM
Lemme see. We have a lawyer married to a biotch running with a biotch who is a lawyer and married to a lawyer on the Dem side.
The Pubs offer a genuine war hero who is married to a blonde with big funbags who owns a beer distributorship.
WTF? Is there a choice here?

I was gonna vote McCain anyway...

...but when you put it like that, I am more certain then ever. :D

Sooner_Havok
6/4/2008, 01:04 PM
I was gonna vote McCain anyway...

...but when you put it like that, I am more certain then ever. :D

Sh*t, he just stole my idea of cheap booze for the masses:rolleyes:

Vote Havok/Vet 08, We'll give you the stuff guaranteed to **** you up!

OU4LIFE
6/4/2008, 01:09 PM
You people are so sensitive.

why you son-of-a....

JohnnyMack
6/4/2008, 03:13 PM
No JM, you lose. You're pimping your boy based on a POS speech that McCain gave. Your total argument is that Brack is a good speaker, and that McCain isn't. That's it.

And we all know how shallow, weak, and pathetic people are who evaluate a POTUS based on his speaking ability. No?

Yep. That's me. I picked Obama 'cause he talked gooder than the other guy.

olevetonahill
6/4/2008, 03:27 PM
Sh*t, he just stole my idea of cheap booze for the masses:rolleyes:

Vote Vet/Havok 08, We'll give you the stuff guaranteed to **** you up!

Had to Fix it Bro . Its My still:P

olevetonahill
6/4/2008, 03:28 PM
Yep. That's me. I picked Obama 'cause he talked gooder than the other guy.

So your Sayin your a Sucker fer a Smoove Talker ?
Or just a Sucker:D

Sooner_Havok
6/4/2008, 03:51 PM
Had to Fix it Bro . Its My still:P

That's fine. ;)

C&CDean
6/4/2008, 10:02 PM
Yep. That's me. I picked Obama 'cause he talked gooder than the other guy.

My bad. You picked him cause he's black, smoove, talks purdy, and gets all the brainless isotopes and amoebas to shake signs that say CHANGE!

I've met you. We've almost had sex (if you hadn't have knobbed that cop I coulda scored). I know you're smarter than what you're acting.

Pink_Floyd
6/4/2008, 10:48 PM
all that Obama semen has clouded your judgement:D


and wher did obama deposit that sperm?

:hot: :hot: ;)

Pink_Floyd
6/5/2008, 04:53 AM
I don't think so,you need to read this'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama#Early_life_and_career



Shows Ya how Much tention Ive Paid HUH ?
:P

:pop: :eek: :pop:

soonervegas
6/5/2008, 12:43 PM
um, not to point out the obvious, but if she get's the VP, I can GUARANTEE you will more than likely see out first pres. assass. in more than 40 years. Am I the only one that sees that?

I want in on this bandwagon early too. The Clinton's obsession with power knows no bounds.

Sooner_Havok
6/5/2008, 01:33 PM
9DqR7zis99I

:D

Curly Bill
6/5/2008, 03:19 PM
Unless Obama slips saying "you crackers" or starts tapping the top of an upside down pack of Kools, he is gonna smoke ;) McCain in the debates and win going away.

Not gonna happen.

JohnnyMack
6/5/2008, 04:07 PM
My bad. You picked him cause he's black, smoove, talks purdy, and gets all the brainless isotopes and amoebas to shake signs that say CHANGE!

I've met you. We've almost had sex (if you hadn't have knobbed that cop I coulda scored). I know you're smarter than what you're acting.

That's right!

About the Obama part. You were nowhere near scoring with me. I'm stuck up like that.

OklahomaRed
6/5/2008, 04:08 PM
Unless Obama slips saying "you crackers" or starts tapping the top of an upside down pack of Kools, he is gonna smoke ;) McCain in the debates and win going away.

:D Now there's some stereotyping? :D

What are the issues?

Iraq? Can't get out now or we will make a "mess" on the world stage, which will futher our world position, or lets cut and run and show what we are made of and leave a huge vacuum? McCain vs. Obama?

The economy? Let's punish big companies for making money, thus drying up jobs? Let's get rid of the tax credit and take more money out of the actual middle class pocket? Let's create more social programs so more people can get on the government dole? McCain vs. Obama?

High gas prices? Lets not allow any futher drilling or exploration cause we are all polluters? Lets not build any nuclear facilities here in the US cause nuclear energy is bad? Lets not soak what we can out of the middle east as cheap as we can? Lets not build any more refineries cause we are all polluters? McCain versus Obama?

Healthcare? Lets go to socialized medicine? Lets let the insurance companies & big pharma make money? I'm more torn on this one than about any issue. I see the value of unrestricted access, but I also see the HUGE potential for abuse and higher cost (aka taxes under the Dem plan). McCain versus Obama?

I go with McCain based off the issues rather than whether or not they are a great orator. :D

King Crimson
6/5/2008, 04:34 PM
for all the talk about "oration" and "eloquence", the "plain talk"/common style is one of the oldest rhetorical styles there is as documented by Cicero, Aristotle and Demosthenes. it's particularly appropriate in appeals to "the common man" or, you got it, "common sense". It's one rhetorical style among many.

in fact, Cicero prefers this as the "true Republican style" of the days of the late Republic....and praises the Elder Cato as the great practitioner.

FWIW. I wouldn't get too hung up on pretty words because the "absence of style" is usually the most effective "style" there is. However, there is not a necessary correlation between the absence of "style" and implied substance either.

JohnnyMack
6/5/2008, 05:18 PM
:D Now there's some stereotyping? :D

What are the issues?

Iraq? Can't get out now or we will make a "mess" on the world stage, which will futher our world position, or lets cut and run and show what we are made of and leave a huge vacuum? McCain vs. Obama?

"Cut and run" is typical hawkish rhetoric. Organizing a withdrawal from Iraq while maintaining a presence in the region and spending more time/effort squashing Al Qaida is far from cutting and running.


The economy? Let's punish big companies for making money, thus drying up jobs? Let's get rid of the tax credit and take more money out of the actual middle class pocket? Let's create more social programs so more people can get on the government dole? McCain vs. Obama?

Let's continue to allow NAFTA to operate as it is. Let's continue not assessing tariffs on the products that come in from China. Let's continue to make it easier and easier for big business to outsource jobs to other countries.


High gas prices? Lets not allow any futher drilling or exploration cause we are all polluters? Lets not build any nuclear facilities here in the US cause nuclear energy is bad? Lets not soak what we can out of the middle east as cheap as we can? Lets not build any more refineries cause we are all polluters? McCain versus Obama?

We sold our soul to oil many, many decades ago. The road we're going to have to take out of that particular level of hell is going to suck. I do believe that your point number 1 and your point number 3 are tightly interwoven. Having an attitude that we should "soak what we can out of the middle east as cheap as we can" is the kind of thinking that leads terrorists to fly hijacked planes into the sides of buildings.

I don't care if J.R. Ewing gets elected president even he couldn't get a new refinery built.


Healthcare? Lets go to socialized medicine? Lets let the insurance companies & big pharma make money? I'm more torn on this one than about any issue. I see the value of unrestricted access, but I also see the HUGE potential for abuse and higher cost (aka taxes under the Dem plan). McCain versus Obama?

I go with McCain based off the issues rather than whether or not they are a great orator. :D

It's not "socialized medicine", you can read about his proposal here:

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/

tommieharris91
6/5/2008, 05:53 PM
I wish the US government would just stay out of the oil market. There isn't really anything the President can do to change oil prices and keep that part of the market free at the same time. Besides, many economists can't figure out the day-to-day changes in the crude oil market right now. Yea, they know what the factors are, but it doesn't matter. Many of the fluctuations shouldn't be as sharp as they are, and sometimes a factor seems to affect trading more on one day than another. Also, many Asian nations are lifting oil subsidies and raising their domestic gasoline prices.