Best BCS championship teams?

[soonerfan28]

I haven't seen this on here anywhere so I'll put it on here. ESPN has OU's 2000 championship at number 5 behind some that I wouldn't thinks so. Here's the list and the link.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/story?columnist=schlabach_mark&id=3406050
1. 2001 Miami
2. 2004 USC
3. 1999 FSU
4. 2005 Texas
5. 2000 OU
6. 1998 Tenn
7. 2003 LSU
8. 2006 Florida
9. 2002 OSU
10. 2007 LSU

[goingoneight]

OU and TX are interchangeable IMHO. One things for certain... they need to be higher. OU had "Red October," struggled at Collie Station, Stoolwater and beat Texass in a rout. UT had a winning date in Columbus against a top-5 Ohio State team, beat the crap out of us (although OUrs was better in so many ways), struggled at Stoolwater and Collie Station. The reason I give OU the edge is they actually played someone in the BIG 12 CCG... not just someone who literally backed in by someone else choking multiple times. Both teams played very good opponents in the MNC game.

1. 2000 OU (Red October, CS, Bed-dumb miracle, beat a very good KSU a second go-round in the CCG, topped the so-called "dynasty" and "greatest team ever" with it's "unstoppable offense" and "inpenetrable defense" (which I find hilarious considering Q pretty much walked in on a draw from about 20 out. :D

2. who cares...
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[SoonerSinger3]

how is the '01 miami team #1? that's ridiculous. that year miami beat an already beaten nebraska team. if i had to rank i would put 2004 USC #1. I hate to admit it, but they were really good and we know how good our 2004 team was and they whooped us. yeah yeah i know we made alot of mistakes, but a 36 point beatdown just doesn't happen cuz one team has an off night. I would put them #1 and either our 2000 team or Texas' 2005 team at # 2 and #3. I would have to put us # 2 just because of the three game stretch we won through was amazing. we beat a #12 team at a neutral site, #2 team on the road in manhattan, and the #1 team at home. then we beat the same really good K state team again to get to the orange bowl. Texas did beat a really good Buckeye team on the road, but only had to beat an average OU team and played a worthless Colorado team with home field advantage pretty much in Houston that year. I hate USC so much. We must avenge our losses to them soon or I might be bitter my whole life lol

[SoonerSinger3]

goingoneight sry i pretty much quoted you word for word. didn't look at your post before i posted. tuck fexas

[soonerfan28]

I agree that USC and Miami should be ahead of us but we are at least #3. We took it pretty bad in 04' and we were a hell of a team.

[soonermix]

really the top 5 seem pretty interchangable to me.

[JLEW1818]

how is the '01 miami team #1? that's ridiculous. that year miami beat an already beaten nebraska team. if i had to rank i would put 2004 USC #1. I hate to admit it, but they were really good and we know how good our 2004 team was and they whooped us. yeah yeah i know we made alot of mistakes, but a 36 point beatdown just doesn't happen cuz one team has an off night. I would put them #1 and either our 2000 team or Texas' 2005 team at # 2 and #3. I would have to put us # 2 just because of the three game stretch we won through was amazing. we beat a #12 team at a neutral site, #2 team on the road in manhattan, and the #1 team at home. then we beat the same really good K state team again to get to the orange bowl. Texas did beat a really good Buckeye team on the road, but only had to beat an average OU team and played a worthless Colorado team with home field advantage pretty much in Houston that year. I hate USC so much. We must avenge our losses to them soon or I might be bitter my whole life lol


I put that Miami team as the best team ever, that i've seen play. I'm only 20.

[OU_Sooners75]

I haven't seen this on here anywhere so I'll put it on here. ESPN has OU's 2000 championship at number 5 behind some that I wouldn't thinks so. Here's the list.

1. 2001 Miami (No, this team had plenty of close calls. Then they got one of the worst teams to ever play in a BCS title game.)
2. 2004 USC (They Knew about Bush and his $300,00 loan. Besides, if it were not for OU self destructing after a botched punt the title game would not have been 55-19.)
3. 1999 FSU (Just a little too high imho.)
4. 2005 Texas (Interchangeable with OU and Tennessee)
5. 2000 OU (This team had one of the toughest schedules this decade, you rank them too low.)
6. 1998 Tenn
7. 2003 LSU (This is proably the best team on this list. They beat one of the Best ever OU teams in the title game.)
8. 2006 Florida (This is about right)
9. 2002 OSU (Too low and major thanks to Terry Porter.)
10. 2007 LSU (Thank you OU and Pittsubrugh.)


Now with the comments out of the way.

Here is how I think the list should be.

1. 2003 LSU
2. 2005 Texas
2. 2000 OU
2. 1998 Tennessee
5. 2001 Miami
6. 1999 FSU
7. 2004 USC
8. 2006 Florida
9. 2007 LSU
10. 2002 OSU

[OU_Sooners75]

I put that Miami team as the best team ever, that i've seen play. I'm only 20.

WOW.

Not at your age, but the comment.

[soonerfan28]

Best team I ever saw would have to be 94 or 95 Nebraska.

[soonerfan28]

Z

[Collier11]

Now with the comments out of the way.

Here is how I think the list should be.

1. 2003 LSU
2. 2005 Texas
2. 2000 OU
2. 1998 Tennessee
5. 2001 Miami
6. 1999 FSU
7. 2004 USC
8. 2006 Florida
9. 2007 LSU
10. 2002 OSU


LSU was not that good, their D was but not as a team. Miami should be #1, OU from 2000 should be about #3 or #4 IMHO...04 usc should be 2

[OU_Sooners75]

LSU was not that good, their D was but not as a team. Miami should be #1, OU from 2000 should be about #3 or #4 IMHO...04 usc should be 2

Thanks for you opinion.

I think the 2003 LSU team was more complete than Miami. Also, the fact that it appears USC knowingly allowed Bush to have extra benefits disqualifies them. Let's not forget about Jarrett getting a free upscale LA apartment either.

[SteelClip49]

1. Miami
2. Texas
3. USC
4. Oklahoma
5. Florida State
6. LSU 2003
7. Florida
8. Tennessee
9. Ohio State
10. LSU 2007

[soonerinabilene]

I think if any defense could have stopped vince young in 05, it would have been the 2000 team. That being said, they are pretty close. In the BCS era, I think the Miami team is right as #1. They went 3 years with only one loss, just like suc's run. They should have played us in the orange bowl in 2000, then whipped nebraska, then got beat on a questionable call by tosu. And even though he never made it in the nfl, Dorsey was a great college qb.

[soonerfan28]

1. USC
2. OU
3. Texas
4. Miami
5. OSU
6. FSU
7. LSU 03
8.Tennessee
9. Florida
10.LSU 07

I guess we could say that since Texas beat pretty much the same USC team that won in 04' how can they be ranked lower.

[trey]

I put that Miami team as the best team ever, that i've seen play. I'm only 20.

'01 Miami is the best team ever. It would have been awesome to play them in the Rose Bowl and see how our D stacked against their O.

[soonerfan28]

'01 Miami is the best team ever. It would have been awesome to play them in the Rose Bowl and see how our D stacked against their O.

Are you going by NFL draftees? Because the 95' Nebraska team beat 4 teams that finished in the top 10 by an average of 49-18.
#8 K-State 49-25
#7 Colorado 44-21
#10 Kansas 41-3
#2 Florida 62-24 for the NC.

They didn't have a lot of players excel in the NFL, but you can't deny there greatness in college football.

[Collier11]

Thanks for you opinion.

I think the 2003 LSU team was more complete than Miami. Also, the fact that it appears USC knowingly allowed Bush to have extra benefits disqualifies them. Let's not forget about Jarrett getting a free upscale LA apartment either.

What does all of that have to do with how good usc was, they were still a Great team, Top 2 easily. LSU sucked on offense, we just put up a crappy offensive game. They werent that good!

[trey]

Are you going by NFL draftees? Because the beat 4 teams that finished in the top 10 by an average of 49-18.
#8 K-State 49-25
#7 Colorado 44-21
#10 Kansas 41-3
#2 Florida 62-24 for the NC.

They didn't have a lot of players excel in the NFL, but you can't deny there greatness in college football.

i never denied that "05 nebraska was a great team. they are definately in the discussion of "greatest ever".

[soonerfan28]

i never denied that "05 nebraska was a great team. they are definately in the discussion of "greatest ever".

I'm just saying that they are way ahead of 01' Miami. I agree that 01' Miami had a lot of NFL talent, but they are not in the lead for "greatest ever".

[Collier11]

05' Nebraska sucked, where you been Trey?

[trey]

05' Nebraska sucked, where you been Trey?

Don't know if that's a compliment or if you are talking smack...so thanks, or eff off. ;)

[soonerinabilene]

Don't know if that's a compliment or if you are talking smack...so thanks, or eff off. ;)

He's saying the '05 team sucked. The '95 was great. you made a typo.;)

[JLEW1818]

I remember watching Nebraska in the mid 90's. But this Miami team just crushed people (even their kicker, remember him). That 95 Nebraska team was great, but Tommie Frazier would not be able to run the ball like he did against the defense's now days.
Starting Lineup Miami


QB Ken Dorsey
FB Najeh Davenport
HB Clinton Portis
TE Jeremy Shockey
SE Andre Johnson
FL Kevin Beard
LT Bryant McKinnie
LG Samuel Webster
C Brett Romberg
RG Martin Bibla
RT Joaquin Gonzalez


[edit] Defense
Position Name
RE Jerome McDougle
DT Matt Walters
DT William Joseph
LE Andrew Williams
WLB D.J. Williams
MLB Jonathan Vilma
SLB Chris Campbell
RCB Mike Rumph
FS James Lewis
SS Ed Reed
LCB Phillip Buchanon

[JLEW1818]

Now with the comments out of the way.

Here is how I think the list should be.

1. 2003 LSU
2. 2005 Texas
2. 2000 OU
2. 1998 Tennessee
5. 2001 Miami
6. 1999 FSU
7. 2004 USC
8. 2006 Florida
9. 2007 LSU
10. 2002 OSU


How could 2003 LSU be number the number 1 team, they lost a game that year. I don't see how that works???? 2004 USC at number 7??? are you serious with that?? 03 LSU beat us by a TD, 2004 USC beat us by ????? yah alot. 2005 Texas should not even be in the top 5. If your going by best "teams". Their team was simply Vince young, you take away him their prlly a sub 500 team.

[Collier11]

Don't know if that's a compliment or if you are talking smack...so thanks, or eff off. ;)

I was a huge fan of Neb in the 90's when I wasnt rooting for OU, I loved Tommie Frazier...I still remember watching the miami game for the natl title

[soonerfan28]

I was a huge fan of Neb in the 90's when I wasnt rooting for OU, I loved Tommie Frazier...I still remember watching the miami game for the natl title

The run that Frazier had around the right side where he ran through the entire Miami D. It was awesome.

[Collier11]

I think that was the run against Florida where he literally broke about 9 tackles

[soonerfan28]

I think that was the run against Florida where he literally broke about 9 tackles

You're right that was on Florida and it was 75 yards. Was nice though.

[JLEW1818]

Here's the link for the run.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=2LHbZ3T4rzA

[silverwheels]

1. 2001 Miami
2. 2005 Texas
3. 2004 USC
4. 2000 OU
5. 1999 FSU
6. 1998 Tennessee
7. 2002 Ohio State
8. 2003 LSU
9. 2006 Florida
10. 2007 LSU

[soonerfan28]

I remember watching Nebraska in the mid 90's. But this Miami team just crushed people (even their kicker, remember him). That 95 Nebraska team was great, but Tommie Frazier would not be able to run the ball like he did against the defense's now days.
Starting Lineup Miami



QB Ken Dorsey
FB Najeh Davenport
HB Clinton Portis
TE Jeremy Shockey
SE Andre Johnson
FL Kevin Beard
LT Bryant McKinnie
LG Samuel Webster
C Brett Romberg
RG Martin Bibla
RT Joaquin Gonzalez


[edit] Defense
Position Name
RE Jerome McDougle
DT Matt Walters
DT William Joseph
LE Andrew Williams
WLB D.J. Williams
MLB Jonathan Vilma
SLB Chris Campbell
RCB Mike Rumph
FS James Lewis
SS Ed Reed
LCB Phillip Buchanon

With that logic we could say that OU's 56' team that shut 6 teams out should not be up for consideration because defenses are better now. That wasn't the question. The only thing we can do is compare how teams were for the era that they played in. OU's 56' team wouldn't be able to block anybody now because the lineman were like 210 lbs.

[JLEW1818]

2001 Miami was better then 2000 OU, sad but true.

[soonerfan28]

2001 Miami was better then 2000 OU, sad but true.

I agree that they were up there with OU, but OU beat #1 and #2 in back to back weeks. Then beat #8 K-State again. Then went on to beat a Florida State team who was averaging over 40 points and 500 yards a game. OU has the edge.

[JLEW1818]

I hear ya man, talent wise Miami had us. I know people say well talent does not = good team. However in this case Miami would have beaten anybody in the nation on any giving day. But guess what, that Florida State team that we beat LOST TO MIAMI THAT SAME SEASON. And that Miami team won the national championship the next season. So how was the 2000 OU team better than the 2001-2002 Miami team?

[soonerfan28]

It wasn't the same Miami team. One noticeable difference would be Dan Morgan at LB and no Josh Heupel for OU. What OU did in 2000 Miami couldn't have done in 2001. Miami played nobody that could stay with them except for Va Tech and they were only ranked 14th. If they had played some top 10 teams that year I would be impressed. I agree they had better talent but they were not a better team.

[NormanPride]

Yeah, I was never really impressed with the '01 Miami team. They reminded me a lot of the tOSU teams of the past couple years. Impressive wins in a weak conference.

I'd put '04 USC above everyone else, then '00 Oklahoma, then '05 Texas. I think USC was the most complete team, OU had the best D by FAR, and Texas had the best O.

[soonerfan28]

Yeah, I was never really impressed with the '01 Miami team. They reminded me a lot of the tOSU teams of the past couple years. Impressive wins in a weak conference.

I'd put '04 USC above everyone else, then '00 Oklahoma, then '05 Texas. I think USC was the most complete team, OU had the best D by FAR, and Texas had the best O.

Exactly.

[JLEW1818]

It wasn't the same Miami team. One noticeable difference would be Dan Morgan at LB and no Josh Heupel for OU. What OU did in 2000 Miami couldn't have done in 2001. Miami played nobody that could stay with them except for Va Tech and they were only ranked 14th. If they had played some top 10 teams that year I would be impressed. I agree they had better talent but they were not a better team.

Miami beat Florida State that year, so yes that was an impressive win, Who we later beat. So I guess you could say Miami should have been in the title game 3 years in a row??? Dorsey is one of the best COLLEGE quarterbacks ever!

2001 Miami
2004 USC
2000 Oklahoma
2005 Texas
2003 LSU

[soonerfan28]

If you are talking about 2001 then it's not shocking because that is the year FSU fell off. If you're talking about 2000 then all that proves is that they are better then FSU not OU. We held one of the most explosive offenses of all time to ZERO points. I agree that Dorsey is up there, but so is David Greene. This has been said before but with your logic Washington should have played us for the BCS Championship in 2000 because they only had 1 loss and they beat Miami.

[JLEW1818]

THE YEAR WE WON THE NATIONAL TITLE GAME WE BEAT FLORIDA STATE WHO LOST TO MIAMI THAT YEAR. THAT NEXT YEAR MIAMI WENT UNDEFEATED AND WON THE NATIONAL TITLE GAME.

[goingoneight]

Exactly... the next year. There's a big difference from year-to-year. Different schedules, different coaches, different players, the ball bounces differently, etc.

What stands as fact is nobody had a tougher road to their MNC than OU in 2000. Not even close... so 1999, 2001, 2003, and all the other crap people add in there is simply padding stats. It's like Tech saying they own us because they won 2 of the last three... why don't you go back the last ten and tell me how many you've won?

In terms of having a tough road to get to the top, and still looking badass while doing it, you proabably place USC or Texass above us, and throw Miami up there. 1-4 is all unbeaten and interchangeable. You can't tell me anyone had a tougher road to get to #1 and hold it than OU did.

[BoulderSooner79]

I think that '04 USC gets too much credit because we laid an egg in the BCS final. I don't have much issue with the order from ESPN. I'd probably put the OU team at 4 instead of 5. The OU offense was tapering down at the end of the year, so I can't put them higher. Many of the teams won the crystal ball with teams that were not their best teams of the last 10 years. I think '03 and '05 USC were better than '04. The OU '03 team was Stoop's best (by far IMO). The last 2 tOSU teams were better than '02. Miami and Texas did get it done with their best. You have to be good, but you also have to be lucky. And it really help to get multiple cracks at it.

[JLEW1818]

Exactly... the next year. There's a big difference from year-to-year. Different schedules, different coaches, different players, the ball bounces differently, etc.

What stands as fact is nobody had a tougher road to their MNC than OU in 2000. Not even close... so 1999, 2001, 2003, and all the other crap people add in there is simply padding stats. It's like Tech saying they own us because they won 2 of the last three... why don't you go back the last ten and tell me how many you've won?

In terms of having a tough road to get to the top, and still looking badass while doing it, you proabably place USC or Texass above us, and throw Miami up there. 1-4 is all unbeaten and interchangeable. You can't tell me anyone had a tougher road to get to #1 and hold it than OU did.

Don't get me wrong I'm a sooner till I die. However, that 2001-2002 Miami team beat everybody they played also. They also beat FSU the year before AND THEY WERE A WEAKER TEAM THAT YEAR, Dorsey was only a sophomore. Yes Oklahoma had a tougher schedule in 2000-2001 then what Miami had, but that does not mean we were better. Miami simply did not have a chance to play many top ranked teams. They beat everybody including Nebraska who we lost to that year.

[soonerfan28]

You are trying to compare the 2001 OU team to the the 2001 Miami team and yes Miami was better, but if you compare the 2000 OU team to the 2001 Miami team OU is better and yes it is because they played a tougher schedule. They both went undefeated and who played the tougher schedule. That is the tie breaker. We no doubt played in tougher conference then Miami in those two years. Just because Miami beat FSU in 2000 doesn't mean that they are better then OU. It just means that they are better then FSU. FSU was not a weaker team in 2000. Look at the stats. Then we should have played Washington in 2000 because they beat Miami.

[JLEW1818]

lol ya i was comparing 2001-2002 Miami to 2000-2001 Oklahoma. But who cares, lets just hope the 2008 Oklahoma sooners blow both of those teams outta of the water.

[soonerfan28]

lol ya i was comparing 2001-2002 Miami to 2000-2001 Oklahoma. But who cares, lets just hope the 2008 Oklahoma sooners blow both of those teams outta of the water.
I agree that we could be better then those teams if we put it all together. We'll see.

[soonerfan28]

I think that '04 USC gets too much credit because we laid an egg in the BCS final. I don't have much issue with the order from ESPN. I'd probably put the OU team at 4 instead of 5. The OU offense was tapering down at the end of the year, so I can't put them higher. Many of the teams won the crystal ball with teams that were not their best teams of the last 10 years. I think '03 and '05 USC were better than '04. The OU '03 team was Stoop's best (by far IMO). The last 2 tOSU teams were better than '02. Miami and Texas did get it done with their best. You have to be good, but you also have to be lucky. And it really help to get multiple cracks at it.

Yea, we laid an egg. I never have been able to understand why White struggled in those game. He was a great QB, but went 1 for 4 when it counted. I am grateful we had him though.

[JLEW1818]

Well the turning point in the USC game was the muffed punt by Bradley, but other then that White lead us down the field on the first drive for a TD. Who knows.

I just think this year we don't need to receive punts.

[Collier11]

Well the turning point in the USC game was the muffed punt by Bradley, but other then that White lead us down the field on the first drive for a TD. Who knows.

I just think this year we don't need to receive punts.

I think all of you who blame Bradley as being the catalyst for us getting destroyed are delusional. It was a big moment and cost us all momentum and a chance of going up by two scores but there were alot of things that happened in that game that led to us basically quitting, including Jasons horrible ints among other things

[JLEW1818]

I think all of you who blame Bradley as being the catalyst for us getting destroyed are delusional. It was a big moment and cost us all momentum and a chance of going up by two scores but there were alot of things that happened in that game that led to us basically quitting, including Jasons horrible ints among other things


Oh I hear ya man. I did not mean to point bradly out like that. That was a total TEAM loss, but ya its in the past. Collier I like that you got that 4TH STAR NEXT TO YOUR NAME!!!! lol have a good one man!

[BoulderSooner79]

I think all of you who blame Bradley as being the catalyst for us getting destroyed are delusional. It was a big moment and cost us all momentum and a chance of going up by two scores but there were alot of things that happened in that game that led to us basically quitting, including Jasons horrible ints among other things

If Bradley doesn't fumble, it would have made a huge difference. We would have lost 48-19 instead :( The match-ups just didn't favor OU. I think if both teams had played their A game, 'SC would have won by 10-14 points. I still think '04 was a great job by Stoops and co. (sans the title game). The defensive talent fell off by quite a bit from '03 and they still managed to go undefeated in conference.

[sooner94]

I think 2001 Miami and 2004 USC should be #1 and #2 (not sure which). Those are the 2 best.

2000 OU definitely belongs ahead of 1999 FSU. Yeah, I know FSU did not have Snoop Minis when they played us, but we shut them out. Do you think upgrading their talent a little at WR would have made a difference? I'll answer that - No. I have never seen Weinke look that confused since....well....I watched him play in an NFL game.

[soonerfan28]

I think 2001 Miami and 2004 USC should be #1 and #2 (not sure which). Those are the 2 best.

2000 OU definitely belongs ahead of 1999 FSU. Yeah, I know FSU did not have Snoop Minis when they played us, but we shut them out. Do you think upgrading their talent a little at WR would have made a difference? I'll answer that - No. I have never seen Weinke look that confused since....well....I watched him play in an NFL game.

No way. OU had the toughest road to the BCS Championship. Miami only played a good Va Tech team and they almost got beat by a Boston College team that finished 7-4 . OU beat 5 ranked teams (#1,#2,#3,#8,#11,#23)) and K-State twice and held one of the most powerful offenses in FSU to ZERO points.

[JLEW1818]

I think 2001 Miami and 2004 USC should be #1 and #2 (not sure which). Those are the 2 best.

2000 OU definitely belongs ahead of 1999 FSU. Yeah, I know FSU did not have Snoop Minis when they played us, but we shut them out. Do you think upgrading their talent a little at WR would have made a difference? I'll answer that - No. I have never seen Weinke look that confused since....well....I watched him play in an NFL game.


AGREE

[soonerfan28]

I think 2001 Miami and 2004 USC should be #1 and #2 (not sure which). Those are the 2 best.

2000 OU definitely belongs ahead of 1999 FSU. [B]Yeah, I know FSU did not have Snoop Minis when they played us, but we shut them out. [B] Do you think upgrading their talent a little at WR would have made a difference? I'll answer that - No. I have never seen Weinke look that confused since....well....I watched him play in an NFL game.

They did have a guy named Anquan Boldin who wasn't to bad.

[Salt City Sooner]

Not to mention Javon Walker. Atrews Bell had a huge game (one of few 'nole O players that did), & Morgan dropped a TD pass. WR was one position they were not hurting at, Minnis or no Minnis.