Didn't realize it was fear mongering time already!

[sooner n houston]

GRESHAM, Ore. - Hours before being greeted by the biggest crowd of his campaign, Democrat Barack Obama quietly told a small group of seniors Sunday that Republican John McCain would threaten the Social Security they depend on because he supports privatizing the program.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080519/ap_on_el_pr/democrats;_ylt=AloZGQlhJrGIC5IM8307Hsdh24cA

[JohnnyMack]

R's accusing D's of "fear mongering".

Cool.

Someone wanna dig up W's Nazi rant from last week or should we just skip it?

[Scott D]

fear mongering is the ultimate staple of modern politics. what better way to elicit strong reactions from any subset of people than to play on their fears.

[SoonerStormchaser]

GRESHAM, Ore. - Hours before being greeted by the biggest crowd of his campaign, Democrat Barack Obama quietly told a small group of seniors Sunday that Republican John McCain would threaten the Social Security they depend on because he supports privatizing the program.


Look out...here comes the typical Democrat election year scare tactic of the evil Republicans are out to take your Social Security away. They did it against Dole in 96 and against Bush in 00 and 04...

Anyone who even knows a shred of history about Roosevelt and the New Deal knows that he came up with Social Security as a temporary fix to help reinvigorate the economy during the Great Depression. Now everyone acts like it's their goddamn birthright!

[r5TPsooner]

Look out...here comes the typical Democrat election year scare tactic of the evil Republicans are out to take your Social Security away. They did it against Dole in 96 and against Bush in 00 and 04...

Anyone who even knows a shred of history about Roosevelt and the New Deal knows that he came up with Social Security as a temporary fix to help reinvigorate the economy during the Great Depression. Now everyone acts like it's their goddamn birthright!


I thought that liberals and handouts go hand in hand.

[Howzit]

Look out...here comes the typical Democrat election year scare tactic of the evil Republicans are out to take your Social Security away. They did it against Dole in 96 and against Bush in 00 and 04...

Anyone who even knows a shred of history about Roosevelt and the New Deal knows that he came up with Social Security as a temporary fix to help reinvigorate the economy during the Great Depression. Now everyone acts like it's their goddamn birthright!

When you have paid into it for 30 years get back to me and let's do a recheck of that ol' perspective thang.

[JohnnyMack]

When you have paid into it for 30 years get back to me and let's do a recheck of that ol' perspective thang.

He won't need to wait that long, she'll be gettin' it in 5 or so.

[SoonerStormchaser]

When you have paid into it for 30 years get back to me and let's do a recheck of that ol' perspective thang.

I don't have a problem paying into it at all...and I've been doing just that for the past 10 years. But I'm not expecting it to be there for me when I turn 65-70. Too many people are falling into the trap of thinking that it's going to be a cushion for them.

[soonerscuba]

We all know that old folks love one thing, voting. If there is one thing that hate as much as they love voting, it's change. Good luck on that whole brokerage firm subsidy you call privatization. Oh, as stated, old folks loving voting and that wonderfully generous generation of babyboomers are going to do a MAJOR about face on taxes as soon as Uncle Sam dips into their check, bank on it.

Also, John McCain is to SS as Barack Obama is to guns, the people vested in the interest do not like what he has to say. Thankfully, both are powerless to enact any real change in those policies.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

And so it begins...

Can't wait until Iran gets the nuke and SS falls flat on its face and can pay no one anything...

[Rogue]

Didn't Dubya nearly (and ironically) ghey-ron-tee a terr'ist attack if a Dem is elected?

Nice to see the shoe of fear-politics on the other foot once in awhile.

[Sooner_Havok]

vote for me, or McCain will destroy social security and you will die of hunger in your old age!


Vote for me or Osama Bin Laden will sneak into your house and cut your head off.

Ah **** it guys, we either die in our retirement or we die because of Bin Laden cutting our heads off.

Eh, I am voting for the guy who says I won't be murdered till I am 65 :D

[SicEmBaylor]

R's accusing D's of "fear mongering".

Cool.

Someone wanna dig up W's Nazi rant from last week or should we just skip it?

I agree with your point, but "nazi rant" is a bit of an overstatement isn't it?

[olevetonahill]

Same **** differant election

[Sooner_Havok]

I agree with your point, but "nazi rant" is a bit of an overstatement isn't it?

Yeah, I thought he called Obama a Nazi appeaser.

[SicEmBaylor]

Yeah, I thought he called Obama a Nazi appeaser.

It wasn't aimed at Obama...supposedly. But there's a difference between calling someone's policies to be an appeasement and quite another to be giving a foaming at the mouth, fists flying and pounding, full-blown "nazi rant."

[Sooner_Havok]

It wasn't aimed at Obama...supposedly. But there's a difference between calling someone's policies to be an appeasement and quite another to be giving a foaming at the mouth, fists flying and pounding, full-blown "nazi rant."

Yeah I was about to say, don't all the way left wingers call Bush a nazi? So Obama was appeasing Bush?:confused: :confused:

[SicEmBaylor]

Yeah I was about to say, don't all the way left wingers call Bush a nazi? So Obama was appeasing Bush?:confused: :confused:

lol, your logical is compelling. :D

[sooner n houston]

Didn't Dubya nearly (and ironically) ghey-ron-tee a terr'ist attack if a Dem is elected?

You wouldn't have a linky for that would you?


No? didn't think so!

[StoopTroup]

7 years and Bin Laden is still either dead or alive.

If Bush wants to help McCain...he should bring in that bag of sh*t and Dubya and McCain can stand together with hands in the air claiming Victory and Mission Accomplished. Until then...

Obama '08.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

I spoke too soon. According to the Jerusalem Press, Dubya is going to nuke Iran before he leaves office.

[Scott D]

I spoke too soon. According to the Jerusalem Press, Dubya is going to nuke Iran before he leaves office.

now there's a source I'm willing to believe...right next to the London Sun...and MoveOn.org.

[JohnnyMack]

It wasn't aimed at Obama...supposedly. But there's a difference between calling someone's policies to be an appeasement and quite another to be giving a foaming at the mouth, fists flying and pounding, full-blown "nazi rant."

I didn't say it was a foaming at the mouth, fists flying and pounding (which by the way sounds more like one of your Saturday nights at Renegades) full-blown "nazi rant". I said "W's nazi rant". I stand by my assertion that he was ranting (and quite possibly pandering) to the Knesset in an effort to undermine Obama. Surely you're not so stupid as to believe it wasn't directed at BHO.

[OklahomaRed]

Barrack = Higher taxes & weaker world presence. Give him 4 years to jack everything up, and then another 4 years for everyone to realize that the US has slipped to a second rate power (aka France) and then everyone will swing back the other way. Hopefully it won't be too late? :D And the pendulum swings from Jimmy Carter to Ronald Reagan to Barrack Obama. It is sad that H lied to everyone about taxes, W panders to the oil companies, and Barrack is pandering to the blacks, the W haters, and the socialists. Perhaps McCain isn't as bad as he looks, though he looked like he might drop over dead on TV the other day. His VP choice is going to be critical for his campaign.

[Scott D]

McCain is a fool if he selects Huckabee or Romney.

[soonerloyal]

Barrack = Higher taxes & weaker world presence. Give him 4 years to jack everything up, and then another 4 years for everyone to realize that the US has slipped to a second rate power (aka France) and then everyone will swing back the other way. Hopefully it won't be too late? :D And the pendulum swings from Jimmy Carter to Ronald Reagan to Barrack Obama. It is sad that H lied to everyone about taxes, W panders to the oil companies, and Barrack is pandering to the blacks, the W haters, and the socialists. Perhaps McCain isn't as bad as he looks, though he looked like he might drop over dead on TV the other day. His VP choice is going to be critical for his campaign.

On what are you basing that statement? On his stance that it's perhaps foolish and shortsighted to rush into war? On his realization that we can't spend trillions of dollars on war, and not have the entire country make the appropriate sacrifices? On his distaste for war profiteers who don't do what they are paid to do, so that our boys aren't electrocuted in the shower, made sick by comtaminated water, or that their families back home don't have to pay an average of $300 for extra armor or find out that those corporations are being paid over one hundred dollars per warrior/per load of laundry? On his belief that we cannot afford to not take care of our warriors when they come home broken? Or that when we go to war that we actually need to be prepared for it, for the duration and after? On his dismay that Republicans refuse to allow our kids a decent amount of time home between ad nauseum deployments in combat? On his supposition that a country that actually cares for its citizens and its future, should take care of the people, rather than taking from them for the good of the elite? Upon his knowledge that if America has slipped into a second-rate power, it's because we've stopped using a foreign policy that is both strong and at the same time honorable?

There are those of us who are patriotic, proud Americans now on the "evil" left who simply refuse to do the same thing over & over and expect different results. That's why we're no longer willing to vote the GOP line. I am one of many who is acting before it is indeed too late.

We'll agree to disagree.
:(

[StoopTroup]

Seeing these two get sworn in together is gonna bring tears to my eyes. :D

http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlny/original/2_61_clinton_mccain.jpg

[soonerloyal]

Sworn in as what? Also-rans? :cool:

[Rogue]

You wouldn't have a linky for that would you?


No? didn't think so!

Let's assume, for a minute, that the Democratic candidates have a plan for getting out of Iraq within the century. Let's also assume that they've said this out loud and actually intend to do it.

Bush last week (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24603460/)



updated 7:46 p.m. ET, Tues., May. 13, 2008
WASHINGTON - President Bush said Tuesday he was disappointed in "flawed intelligence" before the Iraq war and was concerned that if a Democrat wins the presidency in November and withdrew troops prematurely it could "eventually lead to another attack on the United States."

In an interview with Politico magazine and the Internet portal Yahoo, Bush also said he gave up golf in 2003 out of respect for U.S. soldiers killed in the war, which has now lasted more than five years.




Cheney "wisdom" (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5936960/)



updated 9:59 a.m. ET, Wed., Sept. 8, 2004
DES MOINES, Iowa - Vice President Dick Cheney says the United States will risk another terrorist attack if voters make the wrong choice on Election Day, suggesting Sen. John Kerry would follow a pre-Sept. 11 policy of reacting defensively.



Politics of fear?

[Rogue]

I'm glad to see him making the big sacrifices like giving up golf. :rolleyes:
Is this some Kennebunkport, Texas tradition for a late lent that I've never heard of or is this W's way of showing that the war affects him too?

[soonerloyal]

I'm still waiting to hear Bush's plan for "getting out of Iraq"...







Anyone?








(crickets chirping)


Even McCain is claiming to be out now by 2013.

[r5TPsooner]

McCain is a fool if he selects Huckabee or Romney.

Why? Because their religious beliefs don't center on hate and racism?

[Scott D]

Why? Because their religious beliefs don't center on hate and racism?

no, because both have expressed a direct vocal interest in HAVING the job.

[mdklatt]

Even McCain is claiming to be out now by 2013.


That is literally a fantasy. He talks about what he wants to happen but doesn't seem to have any idea of how to achieve it.

I'd just like to take a minute to describe my vision for 2013, when the steel-melting Ali Larter is my girlfriend.... :texan:

[Harry Beanbag]

That is literally a fantasy. He talks about what he wants to happen but doesn't seem to have any idea of how to achieve it.

I'd just like to take a minute to describe my vision for 2013, when the steel-melting Ali Larter is my girlfriend.... :texan:


He's just buying time. He knows the world will end 10 days before 2013 anyway so it doesn't really matter. ;)

[Ike]

Politics of fear?

This is America, by golly, and as an American, I just don't feel quite right if my fears aren't mongered on a daily basis.


Good job Washington and media peeps.

[sooner n houston]

Quote:Didn't Dubya nearly (and ironically) ghey-ron-tee a terr'ist attack if a Dem is elected?

Originally Posted by Sooner N Houston:
You wouldn't have a linky for that would you?
No? didn't think so!

Originally Posted by Rogue:
WASHINGTON - President Bush said Tuesday he was disappointed in "flawed intelligence" before the Iraq war and was concerned that if a Democrat wins the presidency in November and withdrew troops prematurely it could "eventually lead to another attack on the United States."


Massive fail!!!

[soonerloyal]

That is literally a fantasy. He talks about what he wants to happen but doesn't seem to have any idea of how to achieve it.

:texan:


Of course. It's Today's Republican Way.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

now there's a source I'm willing to believe...right next to the London Sun...and MoveOn.org.

Hey, I don't vouch for the veracity of the paper, they just published a story about a joke I had stated earlier in this thread...

[Rogue]

I wasn't the only one that took it that way.
Fair and balanced Keith Olbermann did too. :eek:

9i66ydWERdc

[Curly Bill]

If there was anyone I might punch in the face on sight it's Keith Olbermann. What a pompous piece of crap.

[Sooner_Havok]

If there was anyone I might punch in the face on sight it's Keith Olbermann. What a pompous piece of crap.

Come on man, you just don't like him cause your a Republican.



And I don't like him cause I am (apparently) a democrat.:confused: :confused:



Remember that celebrity boxing crap fox did a while back? Olbermann v. O'Reily, I would get pay-per-view to see that one

:D :D :D

[Curly Bill]

Come on man, you just don't like him cause your a Republican.


While true that I am a Republican, I really really don't like Olbermann because he simply is a great big ginormous pompous piece of crap. That's something we should all be able to agree on no matter our political bent. ;)

[Curly Bill]

Remember that celebrity boxing crap fox did a while back? Olbermann v. O'Reily, I would get pay-per-view to see that one
:D :D :D

I don't know...I don't see O'Reily as much of a fighter...

...cept with words of course. ;)

[Sooner_Havok]

While true that I am a Republican, I really really don't like Olbermann because he simply is a great big ginormous pompous piece of crap. That's something we should all be able to agree on no matter our political bent. ;)

No, you just think the dims is teh evil:D

Wasn't this guy a pompous *** on ESPN too? The more things change...

[Sooner_Havok]

I don't know...I don't see O'Reily as much of a fighter...

...cept with words of course. ;)

And Obermann is? hell, it would be a slap fight. A very entertaining slap fight.

Oh, and You're on my list as one of the worse people in the world:rolleyes:

What a ****** this guy is

[Curly Bill]

No, you just think the dims is teh evil:D

Wasn't this guy a pompous *** on ESPN too? The more things change...

Exactly, he is what he is, and he is what he always has been.

Damn, that sounds kind of poetic. :)

[Sooner_Havok]

Exactly, he is what he is, and he is what he always has been.

Damn, that sounds kind of poetic. :)

Ever think of writing a book?

Curly Bill says pretty sounding ****:D

[Curly Bill]

Ever think of writing a book?

Curly Bill says pretty sounding ****:D

I could collaborate with Ann Coulter! :eek:

[Sooner_Havok]

I could collaborate with Ann Coulter! :eek:

:eek: indeed. I can only imagine the shame you would feel after putting back a few with her after your book was completed. One thing leads to another and...:D

[Curly Bill]

:eek: indeed. I can only imagine the shame you would feel after putting back a few with her after your book was completed. One thing leads to another and...:D

...give her something else to write about! :D

[picasso]

R's accusing D's of "fear mongering".

Cool.

Someone wanna dig up W's Nazi rant from last week or should we just skip it?

dude, your party has been scaring old and poor people for years. please baby please. you don't have jack if they ain't leaning on you.

[Sooner_Havok]

...give her something else to write about! :D

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

No, please god no!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://nuncscio.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/khan.jpg

:D

[Sooner_Havok]

dude, your party has been scaring old and poor people for years. please baby please. you don't have jack if they ain't leaning on you.

Dude, do me a favor and step back for just a second. Both parties use the scare tactics. It is a very useful political tool since most of the US population is pretty darn gullible. Most people are too caught up in American Idol and what not to actually fact check anything anyways, so if you vote Republican, you believe what your leadership tells you and vise versa.

Sucks, but this is what American politics, hell global politics, has come to.

[picasso]

ok I agree on that but people are acting like the scare and smear thing has just been invented by Dubya. It was long perfected before he got in office. regardless of the size of wood Mack has for him.
and I'd dare say that one side of the spectrum really does want bigger government which in itself is scary enough.

fart.

[Scott D]

Dude, do me a favor and step back for just a second. Both parties use the scare tactics. It is a very useful political tool since most of the US population is pretty darn gullible. Most people are too caught up in American Idol and what not to actually fact check anything anyways, so if you vote Republican, you believe what your leadership tells you and vise versa.

Sucks, but this is what American politics, hell global politics, has come to.

actually, the tactics date back before the republican and democratic parties. For political reasons, some (both british and american) politicos played on the fear of losing jobs to free blacks as justification for continued slavery as far back as the mid 1700s. As grand as they were, the founding fathers used the fear of besides being considered third class citizens (even homeless people in Britain were treated with less contempt than the wealthy of the colonies) by the British Government (the true reason behind the revolution no matter what Homey says) to justify an open rebellion against the British Empire. The British used fear of godless savages (native americans), to get colonials to fight against the French.

And you could continually go back in time to find those in power using fear to control those whom they had power over.

[soonerscuba]

ok I agree on that but people are acting like the scare and smear thing has just been invented by Dubya. It was long perfected before he got in office. regardless of the size of wood Mack has for him.
and I'd dare say that one side of the spectrum really does want bigger government which in itself is scary enough.

fart.
Dear Republicans,

You can't complain about the size of government for 4 years, you made your bed, now sleep in it.

Signed,
America

[Sooner_Havok]

actually, the tactics date back before the republican and democratic parties. For political reasons, some (both british and american) politicos played on the fear of losing jobs to free blacks as justification for continued slavery as far back as the mid 1700s. As grand as they were, the founding fathers used the fear of besides being considered third class citizens (even homeless people in Britain were treated with less contempt than the wealthy of the colonies) by the British Government (the true reason behind the revolution no matter what Homey says) to justify an open rebellion against the British Empire. The British used fear of godless savages (native americans), to get colonials to fight against the French.

And you could continually go back in time to find those in power using fear to control those whom they had power over.

**** off dip ****, I like to imagine a "good ole times" were this kind of stuff never happened. Thanks, you killed my happy.

:D

[JohnnyMack]

dude, your party has been scaring old and poor people for years. please baby please. you don't have jack if they ain't leaning on you.

Get your finger outta your nose and listen.

I never said D's didn't do the same thing R's did, I just thought it was funny that someone would accuse D's of fear mongering when R's have been doing it well for quite a while now.

[Scott D]

**** off dip ****, I like to imagine a "good ole times" were this kind of stuff never happened. Thanks, you killed my happy.

:D

oh there's plenty of time for some crowds to argue that like the moon landing, none of the stuff I listed really happened ;)

[Sooner_Havok]

Get your finger outta your nose and listen.

I never said D's didn't do the same thing R's did, I just thought it was funny that someone would accuse D's of fear mongering when R's have been doing it well for quite a while now.

And I think the general consensus that everyone has been doing it for a while. But I will agree that the Republicans calling the Democrats on it is the pot calling the kettle black. Don't worry though, it won't be long till that kettle starts to call the pot black.

[Sooner_Havok]

oh there's plenty of time for some crowds to argue that like the moon landing, none of the stuff I listed really happened ;)

Thank you, I can slip back into my state of denial now. Who you guys pulling for in Idol?

[Scott D]

same one I pull for every year in Idol...an explosion killing everyone in the building.

[Sooner_Havok]

same one I pull for every year in Idol...an explosion killing everyone in the building.

You are horrible, and I am speking you accordingly

:D

[r5TPsooner]

no, because both have expressed a direct vocal interest in HAVING the job.


Could you post the information or website where Huckabee stated that he wants to be VP. The last I heard, he wasn't interested but would listen if asked by McCain.

[JohnnyMack]

Could you post the information or website where Huckabee stated that he wants to be VP. The last I heard, he wasn't interested but would listen if asked by McCain.

Why do you think he stayed in the primary so long? Possibly to try and eke out more delegates than MR so he'd seem like the logical 2nd choice. That's why.

[Sooner_Havok]

Why do you think he stayed in the primary so long? Possibly to try and eke out more delegates than MR so he'd seem like the logical 2nd choice. That's why.

I thought MR and JM weren't very friendly between themselves. Or was that MH and JM? I remember hearing something about two of them a while back.

[r5TPsooner]

Why do you think he stayed in the primary so long? Possibly to try and eke out more delegates than MR so he'd seem like the logical 2nd choice. That's why.


So what you're saying is that you have NO proof except for your own gut feeling.

Linky please.

[Scott D]

Could you post the information or website where Huckabee stated that he wants to be VP. The last I heard, he wasn't interested but would listen if asked by McCain.

just for you..as of two days ago.


Huckabee wants to be McCain's VP

2 days ago

WASHINGTON (AFP) — Former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee, having failed in his own bid for the Republicans' White House nomination, said Sunday he wanted to run as John McCain's vice presidential pick.

On the Democratic side, Senator Joseph Biden said he could not refuse an offer to run as his party's number two, while Senator Jim Webb was coy about his own ambitions.

Huckabee, an ordained Baptist minister popular with the religious right, told NBC television: "There's no one I would rather be on a ticket with than John McCain."

He said that during his unsuccessful primary campaign against McCain, "there was no one who was more complimentary of him publicly and privately" than himself.

"But whether or not I do the best for him, that's something that only he can decide," added Huckabee, 52.

"I'm going to support him because I think he's the right person for America. I think he has the kind of seasoning and maturity that this country needs."

[C&CDean]

I would just like to go into a time capsule until after next November.

I am always amazed by the number of numbskulls who will change their vote based on something these bozos say between now and then. If you don't already know who you're voting for - if you didn't know who you were voting for several months ago - if you've switched your vote from one candidate to another over the past few months based on "reports on the TV" then you're a ****ing moron of epic proportion.

Of course the Hillary people have to make a choice now. Do they want the commie caramel dude who's young, hip, and clueless, or do they want the old white guy? Decisions decisions....

[Fugue]

she wants teh old white guy so she can run in 2012.

[Sooner_Havok]

she wants teh old white guy so she can run in 2012.

Old white guy? Which one? McCain or Hillary?:confused: :confused:
:P

[r5TPsooner]

just for you..as of two days ago.


Was that so hard?

[Scott D]

Was that so hard?

never claimed it was hard.

I'm just someone of a mind that the popular choice isn't necessarily the right choice.

[C&CDean]

I'm just someone of a mind that the popular choice isn't necessarily the right choice.

So you're saying you ain't being a lemming and you're not voting for Brack?

[Scott D]

So you're saying you ain't being a lemming and you're not voting for Brack?

I've said for a long time I wasn't voting for him. Not that the other two dingleberries are right for this country in my opinion.

[C&CDean]

I've said for a long time I wasn't voting for him. Not that the other two dingleberries are right for this country in my opinion.

Well in the FWIW category, I'd vote you in as the first brother prez. But only if I could be your veep and go around shooting lawyers in the heart with shotguns and make brazillions off the war effort.

[Scott D]

Well in the FWIW category, I'd vote you in as the first brother prez. But only if I could be your veep and go around shooting lawyers in the heart with shotguns and make brazillions off the war effort.

Welp I guess I could let you be part of the firing squads that would be executing lawyers as traitors to the United States of America. :)

[C&CDean]

Welp I guess I could let you be part of the firing squads that would be executing lawyers as traitors to the United States of America. :)

IN!!