There was no Greater President...

[Flagstaffsooner]

Than Ronald Wilson Reagan (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8_G-mlKxTY&feature=related)

[Okla-homey]

Than Ronald Wilson Reagan (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8_G-mlKxTY&feature=related)

in the twentieth century.

D00d,

Let's face it, George Washington is the greatest American president of all time. It was his patience, moral nobility, intellect, and gravitas that pulled the fractionated colonies together into the world's first functioning common market. The man could literally have become king of the infant United States if he had wanted. Instead, he steered the ship of state through stormy waters for two terms, then bid public life adieu and headed home to Mt. Vernon.

Abraham Lincoln is the Second Greatest. His wisdom, grace, and dogged determination saved the 90 year old United States from destruction by those who sought to dismantle her from within during her greatest period of peril since 1777.

Number three is Ronald Wilson Reagan.

[swardboy]

Nice tribute...loved Reagan. But,
1. Washington
2. Lincoln

[StoopTroup]

You boys don't know what your talking about.

It's a bunch of Bully!

http://www.dba-oracle.com/images/a_teddy_roosevelt.jpghttp://www.baxtercountyrepublicans.com/troosevelt_bullypulpit.jpg

[StoopTroup]

Than Ronald Wilson Reagan (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8_G-mlKxTY&feature=related)

Whatever Flag...:D

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/r/bush_rushmore_buzzflash.jpg

[Sooner Eclipse]

Thanks, Flagstaff.
He was certainly the greatest any of us will ever witness.

Here is a speech of his that is as relevant today as it was when it was given. It's one of his greatest.
RWR on appeasement-1964 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec63BGemTQs)

[Flagstaffsooner]

I am ok with Washington and TR, but that sob war monger invader of the South in the 1860's can rot in hell.

[Flagstaffsooner]

And this is the Greatest President that we never had.

http://www.afa.org/magazine/Nov2006/lavelle09.jpg

A pox on every ahole that voted for lbj.

[lexsooner]

And the WORST Presidents of the 20th and 21st centuries:

Warren Harding; Jimmy Carter; and Dubya, in no particular order.

[stoops the eternal pimp]

And this is the Greatest President that we never had.

.

I voted for this guy
http://history.sandiego.edu/gen/USPics40/perot2.jpg

Sorry....his ears make it to hard to find a small pick

[LosAngelesSooner]

in the twentieth century.

D00d,

Let's face it, George Washington is the greatest American president of all time. It was his patience, moral nobility, intellect, and gravitas that pulled the fractionated colonies together into the world's first functioning common market. The man could literally have become king of the infant United States if he had wanted. Instead, he steered the ship of state through stormy waters for two terms, then bid public life adieu and headed home to Mt. Vernon.

Abraham Lincoln is the Second Greatest. His wisdom, grace, and dogged determination saved the 90 year old United States from destruction by those who sought to dismantle her from within during her greatest period of peril since 1777.

Number three is F.D.R.
Fixed.

And I really find it amusing how many right wingers hate "Hollywood" but fall so easily for the smooth stylings of a former actor.

Don't get me wrong. I really like Reagan and think he was a good president. But the best ever? Not hardly. There's a difference between policies enacted and pretty speeches. Don't believe me? Check out Clinton.

[Killerbees]

Amusing. You fix his number 3 to FDR then talk about the difference in pretty speeches and policies enacted. FDR is the father of socialism in this country.

[KC//CRIMSON]

Bedtime for Bonzo took more money out of your paychecks than any other president too...

[Okla-homey]

I can't agree on FDR. Powerful and influential no doubt, but he fundamentally changed this country for the worse, and not to save it. He did so to fit his flawed ideal.

[stoops the eternal pimp]

Ross Perot: Two years ago, and I have not revealed this until now for reasons I will not go into, two years ago in the middle of the night at my house in Dallas, I was awaken by a disturbance outside on my lawn so I went outside and engaged in hand to hand combat with four men and a small dog. I took the four men out and was about to tie up the dog when it looked up at me and said, "aren't you Ross Perot?" Now I nearly dropped a load, that dog spoke perfect English now listen carefully, now who is the world leader in talking dogs? It's the Republican party. I rest my case.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

And the WORST Presidents of the 20th and 21st centuries:

Warren Harding; Jimmy Carter; and Dubya, in no particular order.Der Schlickmeister was not on your list of 3, but W was... how sad for you .

[Civicus_Sooner]

I can't agree on FDR. Powerful and influential no doubt, but he fundamentally changed this country for the worse, and not to save it. He did so to fit his flawed ideal.Exactly!

BTW - Clinton never earned a majority of voter's. If not for Perot (bastard) there never would have been a Clinton in the Whitehouse. Matter of fact, I don't think Clinton ever topped 42%

Of course we probably wouldn't have gotten the GOP controlled Congerss in 1994 and the contract with America, so whatever.

Perot is/was a windbag with a lot of money. I loved watching Algore kick his *** in a debate on CNN.

[stoops the eternal pimp]

Exactly!



Perot is/was a windbag with a lot of money. I loved watching Algore kick his *** in a debate on CNN.

oh yeah?! WELL YOUR A WINDBAG WHO...i dont know how much you got

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Exactly!

BTW - Clinton never earned a majority of voter's. If not for Perot (bastard) there never would have been a Clinton in the Whitehouse. Matter of fact, I don't think Clinton ever topped 42%

Of course we probably wouldn't have gotten the GOP controlled Congerss in 1994 and the contract with America, so whatever.

Perot is/was a windbag with a lot of money. I loved watching Algore kick his *** in a debate on CNN.Eggsactly. I couldn't believe that debate. I saw the whole thing, and loved it. It shocked me that Algore was so eloquent and convincing of the need for free markets on a worldwide basis!( but nearly totally in the dark about capitalism is the domestic US economy)

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

in the twentieth century.

D00d,


Number three is Ronald Wilson Reagan.If you think Reagan is the greatest pres. in the 20th century, why is it you call yourself a "moderate" politically?

[tommieharris91]

Fixed.

And I really find it amusing how many right wingers hate "Hollywood" but fall so easily for the smooth stylings of a former actor.

Don't get me wrong. I really like Reagan and think he was a good president. But the best ever? Not hardly. There's a difference between policies enacted and pretty speeches. Don't believe me? Check out Obama.

Fixed.

[LosAngelesSooner]

Amusing. You fix his number 3 to FDR then talk about the difference in pretty speeches and policies enacted. FDR is the father of socialism in this country.
FDR got us through the greatest war of the last century and rebuilt America from a 2nd class nation struggling through a Great Depression into a world superpower.

How quickly people forget.


Fixed.

Hey...don't put me in Obama's camp. I've been a McCain supporter since 1998.

[Civicus_Sooner]

FDR got us through the greatest war of the last century and rebuilt America from a 2nd class nation struggling through a Great Depression into a world superpower.

How quickly people forget.



Hey...don't put me in Obama's camp. I've been a McCain supporter since 1998.
Well, Bush has kicked the terrorists around and won a pretty significant war too. Does he get a pass on everything else too?

[tommieharris91]

Hey...don't put me in Obama's camp. I've been a McCain supporter since 1998.

I ain't, I'm just sayin there really is a difference between policies enacted and pretty speeches...

[KC//CRIMSON]

Bush is just like Reagan, they both drove the economy straight into the ground.

[Vaevictis]

FDR got us through the greatest war of the last century and rebuilt America from a 2nd class nation struggling through a Great Depression into a world superpower.

Not to mention that there was no greater threat to American democracy during the 20th century than ourselves during the Great Depression. It wasn't the Soviets, or the Nazi's or the Japanese, contrary to popular opinion.

IMO, the economic situation during the Depression had us on the edge of tearing it down ourselves.

FDR:
* Got us through the Great Depression intact as a Republic, and there was real danger that he wouldn't -- the Great Depression was the greatest threat to the Republic since the Civil War.
* Got us through WWII.
* Put us in a position to challenge Soviet hegemony during the Cold War.

If that doesn't make for greatness, nothing does. And the whole socialism thing that you guys keep smacking him for? It was critical to his achieving the first.

Why don't some of you folks go ask some people who lived through the Depression what the political climate was like? Then try asking them what they think what would have happened if we kept to the conservative laissez-faire stuff -- you know, the stuff that we were doing leading right up to the Great Depression?

There's a reason why the man was re-elected four times.

EDIT: er, re-elected three. Elected four. Oops.

[LosAngelesSooner]

Fixed.


Well, Bush has kicked the terrorist's anthill, thus stirring them up and creating more danger, violence and terrorists in training than if he had simply bent over and taken it up the bukakis, not to mention he's just about lost a pretty significant war too, by running it in the most incompetent way imaginable and leaving the actual front of the war (Afghanistan) and invading an unrelated nation (Iraq) because of Oedipal issues. Does he get a pass on everything else too?
Fixed.

And to answer your question, No.:texan:

[Civicus_Sooner]

Bush is just like Reagan, they both ran the economy straight into the ground.
That would be exactly incorrect.

Bush's economy has grown at a higher rate than Clinton's and Reagan's was also great. You realize Bush inherited a recession from Clinton, right? It's easily documentable.

[LosAngelesSooner]

I ain't, I'm just sayin there really is a difference between policies enacted and pretty speeches...
Well, it's kinda unfair to criticize the guy for his enacted policies when he has yet to be given the chance to enact any policies.

[Civicus_Sooner]

Fixed.

And to answer your question, No.:texan:
Dude, you cling to that BS and enjoy the weather in my home state. Clearly I'd be wasting my time trying to untangle the mess you wrote. Revisionism is bad.

[LosAngelesSooner]

That would be exactly incorrect.

Bush's economy has grown at a higher rate than Clinton's and Reagan's was also great. You realize Bush inherited a recession from Clinton, right? It's easily documentable.
Guffaw!

Choke!

Gag!

Hloghirty!

*ahem*

Wow.

Where is that Kool-Ade?

[LosAngelesSooner]

Dude, you cling to that BS and enjoy the weather in my home state. Clearly I'd be wasting my time trying to untangle the mess you wrote. Revisionism is bad.
"We're invading because Iraq caused 9/11"

"We're invading because of Weapons of Mass Distruction!"

"We're invading because Saddam Hussein is a mass murderer!"

"We're invading to bring freedom to the Iraqi People!"

"We're staying in Iraq to fight terrorists!"



Yeah, I agree. Revisionism sure is bad. :rolleyes:

[KC//CRIMSON]

That would be exactly incorrect.

Bush's economy has grown at a higher rate than Clinton's and Reagan's was also great. You realize Bush inherited a recession from Clinton, right? It's easily documentable.

Inherited a recession from Clinton?

Reagan's outrageous defense spending ballooned the deficit and his policy of "trickle down economics" left the middle class high and dry.

Look up Paul Krugman's "Debunking the Reagan Myth". Pretty eye opening.

And contrary to popular belief, Reagan didn't keep us from speaking Russian as a second language.

[Civicus_Sooner]

Inherited a recession from Clinton?

Reagan's outrageous defense spending ballooned the deficit and his policy of "trickle down economics" left the middle class high and dry.

Look up Paul Krugman's "Debunking the Reagan Myth". Pretty eye opening.

And contrary to popular belief, Reagan didn't keep us from speaking Russian as a second language.
Defense spending is what helped bring a quicker end to communism. I believe it was a fat bastard Democrat named Tip Oneal that controlled the spending during Reagan's Terms. You can find an "author" or "expert" to illustrait any persuaion.

Reaganomics worked a hell of al lot better when Kennedy first proposed it. Of course we weren't near the welfare state in Kennedy's days than we were by the time Reagan was elected.

Bottom line, if Tip and the Dems who controlled Congress and the Senate would have cut spending things would have been much better.

[Rogue]

RR was alright.

PsOTUS that were better, in order of chronology:
George Washington
John Adams
Thomas Jefferson
James Madison
James Monroe
John Quincy Adams
Abraham Lincoln
Ulysses S. Grant
Woodrow Wilson
TR
FDR
Harry Truman
Ike
John Kennedy
William Jefferson Clinton


So, I'd put him about 16th. Or so.

[Civicus_Sooner]

Real GDP growth under Clinton (highest 3.9%)

Read GDP growth under Bush (highest 4.8%)

But hey that dot com buble that bankrupted millions was good for a few at the top under Clinton.

[Civicus_Sooner]

RR was alright.

PsOTUS that were better, in order of chronology:
George Washington
John Adams
Thomas Jefferson
James Madison
James Monroe
John Quincy Adams
Abraham Lincoln
Ulysses S. Grant
Woodrow Wilson
TR
FDR
Harry Truman
Ike
John Kennedy
William Jefferson Clinton


So, I'd put him about 16th. Or so.Sorry dude, anyone that puts Lincoln below any of the Adams, especially JQ, has a poor list or a poor understanding of what we're talking about.

[KC//CRIMSON]

Defense spending is what helped bring a quicker end to communism. I believe it was a fat bastard Democrat named Tip Oneal that controlled the spending during Reagan's Terms. You can find an "author" or "expert" to illustrait any persuaion.

Reaganomics worked a hell of al lot better when Kennedy first proposed it. Of course we weren't near the welfare state in Kennedy's days than we were by the time Reagan was elected.

Bottom line, if Tip and the Dems who controlled Congress and the Senate would have cut spending things would have been much better.


Reagan did not end the Cold War nor did he defeat Communism. The Soviet Union was on the precipice of collapse in the 1970s due to a major energy crisis. Lucky for them, however, they found a great deal of oil in Siberia that helped prolong the inevitable for another 10-15 years. The Soviet Union collapsed because of a failed economic policy, not because of anything that Trillion Dollar Ronnie did. The single biggest myth in American politics is that Ronald Reagan was responsible for the collapse of Communism.

[XingTheRubicon]

Sorry dude, anyone that puts Lincoln below any of the Adams, especially JQ, has a poor list or a poor understanding of what we're talking about.


http://www.wordreference.com/definition/chronology

[trey]

i never though i'd say it, but i'm pretty fond of dubya today. i got my stimulus $ and i bought some really good weed! who cares if he makes up reasons to start a war...i got me some purple chronic!

[Rogue]

Sorry dude, anyone that puts Lincoln below any of the Adams, especially JQ, has a poor list or a poor understanding of what we're talking about.


Chro.nol.o.gy -
1. The science that deals with the determination of dates and the sequence of events.
2. The arrangement of events in time.
3. A chronological list or table.

Carry on, n00b.

[Civicus_Sooner]

Chro.nol.o.gy -

Carry on, n00b.
Ah, so you were listing them Chonologically but skipping some? Funny.


Or not.

[Rogue]

Ah, so you were listing them Chonologically but skipping some? Funny. Or not.

Son, point that thing somewhere else before you hurt yourself.
My point was to opine that RR is not, IMO, the "greatest."
See, what I did there was list some of the other PsOTUS that were "greater."

If the dry delivery of sarcasm was missed, maybe I was being too subtle.
Now, **** off, dip****.

[Civicus_Sooner]

Son, point that thing somewhere else before you hurt yourself.
My point was to opine that RR is not, IMO, the "greatest."
See, what I did there was list some of the other PsOTUS that were "greater."

If the dry delivery of sarcasm was missed, maybe I was being too subtle.
Now, **** off, dip****.See, then my point stands. You don't know what the hell you're talking about. Carry on son, I hear ignorance is bliss.

[Vaevictis]

Real GDP growth under Clinton (highest 3.9%)

Read GDP growth under Bush (highest 4.8%)

But hey that dot com buble that bankrupted millions was good for a few at the top under Clinton.

Cite some sources, ffs.

[tommieharris91]

Real GDP growth under Clinton (highest 3.9%)

Read GDP growth under Bush (highest 4.8%)

But hey that dot com buble that bankrupted millions was good for a few at the top under Clinton.

While you're at it, provide how much of that GDP growth is related to government spending.

[TUSooner]

#1 Washington by a lightyear. I GW hadn't been the GREAT MAN he was, we never would have made it to #2

#2 Lincoln

#3? whoever is #3 is waaaaaaay behind 1 & 2

[LosAngelesSooner]

Son, point that thing somewhere else before you hurt yourself.
My point was to opine that RR is not, IMO, the "greatest."
See, what I did there was list some of the other PsOTUS that were "greater."

If the dry delivery of sarcasm was missed, maybe I was being too subtle.
Now, **** off, dip****.
Dude...don't waste your time.

He doesn't understand "Listing various presidents who you feel are greater than Reagan, not in order of superiority, but chronologically."

Engrish id harb 4 sum.

[StoopTroup]

i never though i'd say it, but i'm pretty fond of dubya today. i got my stimulus $ and i bought some really good weed! who cares if he makes up reasons to start a war...i got me some purple chronic!

See...

If Dubya would de-criminalize weed now....

trey would vote for him to have a 3rd term.