PDA

View Full Version : This pretty much sums up my thoughts on the 3 Candidates for POTUS



Big Red Ron
4/29/2008, 09:48 PM
After long and serious thought, I have decided to endorse Senator John McCain for President. I have always voted for the person and have not voted for anyone because some political party was telling me who I should vote for.

We all know the choices by now and, that said, I do believe that the process of selecting a chief executive is deeply flawed. The words "money" and "special interests" come to mind, among many others.
Here's the way I see it:

Barack Obama, you are a fine public speaker. You are also an extremely liberal Senator from the State of Illinois, which has a long and rich history of political corruption of the first magnitude. You are indeed a child of that system.

You have finally insulted my intelligence far beyond my capacity to tolerate your insults. It has nothing at all to do with your skin color. As a matter of fact, it would be so COOL to finally have an African-American for President. What a great statement that would be to the entire world that we are indeed the greatest country on earth!

But, unfortunately, General Colin Powell is not running, and YOU are NOT the man for this job !

Barack baby, you want me to believe that you have never heard the sermons of your own pastor, the Right Reverend "God Damn America" Jeremiah Wright. It is a matter of record that this has been your church for over 20 years. It is a matter of record that you were married there by this very pastor, and that your children were baptized there.

The good Reverend saw fit to visit Khadafy in Libya with you and to give a lifetime achievement award to Louis Farrakhan, of all people.

We have all now seen excerpts of his sermons all over the airwaves by now. And you have publicly stated that this man IS your "spiritual mentor".

BUT, your pastor is NOT the reason I am NOT voting for you. His words were disturbing enough, but it is your own HUGE church congregation, seen jumping, hooting and howling to his words in the background that disturb me the most. And please don't tell me you attended church there and never once heard a "discouraging word" in the 20 years you attended there. Don't tell me, that in addition to the good reverend, that you are now not having anything to do with all those other people seen hooting and howling out in the audience in the background of his fiery tirades.

Even Oprah Winfrey got disgusted and walked out. I am no Oprah fan, but still she did the right thing.

Now YOU look me in the eye and ask me to believe that you never heard such language in all the years you attended there ! This is like me telling you that I attended dozens of Klan rallys and never once heard the "N" word. Yep. And Bill Clinton "did not inhale".

Yes, Mr. Obama, we all have friends who have said stupid things that embarrassed us, but NOW you have asked me to believe something that is so incredibly stupid that you are telling me that I am just stupid enough to believe you. THAT is the main reason that I will never vote for you. I am deeply sorry, that in a county teeming with enormously talented African Americans who would make a good President, that the political system has chosen YOU. You are a pathetic and plastic excuse for an American, who will not even salute the Flag during the Pledge of Allegiance. God forbid you ever get near the Oval Office.

Now, did I mention Bill Clinton ?

AH YES ! This brings us to MRS. WILLIAM JEFFERSON CLINTON, who this candidate really is, in spite of all the other names she may care to call herself. This "feminist" piece of work of course would like to be referred to as MS. and we all know who wears the pant suit in that family.

MS. Clinton, (sugar), it is just as depressing to realize that there are dozens of women who would also make great Presidents. But, fortunately, the horrible state of the selection process has selected YOU. Ms. Clinton, I'm sorry, but you could not tell the truth if we waterboarded your worthless *** !

Still you play the role of the "embarrassed but dignified noble wife". What utter malarky ! I am not voting for you for a world of reasons, but the main one is the same as my not voting for Senator Obama. You persistently insult my intelligence. It COULD be conceivably possible that you did not know about Monica Lewinsky, extremely remote, but possible if we stretch our imaginations a bit. But you turn around and then ask me to believe that you also did not know about Paula Jones and the legion of other women who were chewed up and spit out by your lecherous excuse for a husband. Puleese turn off this broken record !!!

But let's set aside your hubby's flagrant pecadillos. The real reason I will never vote for you is that I don't think the country can survive EIGHT MORE YEARS of Whitewater, Travelgate, Filegate, Sandy Berger stuffing his socks with classified intelligence, Janet Reno's goon squad, and the myriad other corruptions that seem to stick to you like your ugly face. So our former President can't keep his dick in his pants. The REAL issue is that he committed perjury under oath when he lied about it and the pathetically-attempted coverup that followed.

Like you, he is totally incapable of telling the truth. He could not do it if you tortured him, and in voting for you, we would get the BOTH of you, all over again. The same folks who could have taken out Osama Bin Laden over 3,000 dead Americans ago !

And please stop telling me that you have "8 years of experience" to lead us. You were the freakin' first lady already, not the Commander in Chief. Jeez ! The sum of your "experience" is that of the most worrisome and incompetent meddling in the history of the White House. You even cursed your pitiful staff and the Secret Service agents who were and still are unfortunately charged with risking their lives to protect your worthless, thieving hide, and all at the expense of other people who have to work for a living.

Your single pathetic platform is to finance the illegal drugs, alcoholism and bad habits of the very lowest and most irresponsible freeloaders in America and to then "garnish the wages" (your own words) of every law-abiding and hard-working American to pay for it. This disaster you refer to as "Universal Health Care". Where have you been the last 30 years ? Did you not see that socialism is a failure wherever it has been tried ? Did you not notice that theSoviet Union has collapsed since it gave no reward to those who worked the hardest for the fruits of their own labors to pay for those who will not ??
It is interesting to see all the dead bodies that you and your hubby have left in your wake. Suicides, mysterious deaths, cover-ups that make Richard Nixon look like a rank amateur. The utter contempt and unbelievable arrogance of some of your strongest supporters, most notably the recently resigned and disgraced Governor Eliot Spitzer, the epitome of hypocritical and malevolent arrogance gone wild, one of your most ardent, wealthy and powerful political supporters. A man the news media refuses to admit IS a "super delegate" in your own political machine, a fine example of your own "adopted" state of New York. No wonder you moved there to run for Senator ! The environment there is perfect for the likes of you !
Yes, I would vote for a woman, but I will NOT vote for YOU !
Which leaves us with Senator John McCain.

John, you are a flawed man. You are a bit old, a bit looney, and you have a notoriously bad temper. This perfectly qualifies you, in my humble opinion, to lead us for the next eight years. I WANT your trembling hand on the nuclear button.

Think about it.

We have Kim Jong IL, Chavez and Ahmadenijad all running around like lunatics, threatening America and threatening to plunge the world into nuclear Armageddon. We have Putin and the Chinese blustering and rattling their sabres at us. I want John McCain in the Oval Office and I want him to be really ****ed off at all these other nut jobs around the planet.

John, once you are elected, I want you to go into the Oval Office and throw one of your perfect FITS. Jump up and down and throw something through a plate glass window. Rip the drapes down and foam at the mouth a bit. And I want the whole thing on camera so that Ahmadinejad can see it. I want ALL of these "world leaders" to lay awake at night and to break out in a cold sweat every time they think of messing with the United States of America.
I want the nuclear button sitting right next to the alarm clock on your night stand. I want pictures of this to be sent to Iran, Russia, China, Venezuela, Cuba,Libya, Syria, Pakistan, and those other *******s in the sheets, the Saudis.

On the domestic front, poor John did try to reach across the aisle to the opposition in a desperate effort to compromise and to get the Congress to do something. You may not agree with his efforts, but at least he TRIED. For all his efforts, all he got handed to him was his head in a basket. The liberals are ****ed at him and the conservatives are ****ed at him. Just my kinda guy.


Finally. John McCain knows on a most personal level what it is to suffer horrible torture for years and to see others die, right in front of you, for their love of America. When you ask him about it, he will tell you that what he did was "nothing special". Even more incredibly, he states that ANY American who truly loves his country would do exactly the same as he did in that situation. You and I will have a hard time believing that, but the real point is that John McCain believes that about the "average American", and that, dear friends and neighbors, is why I will cast my one poor ballot for on election day for John McCain -- warts and all.

God Bless America,
Sen. Bob

12
4/29/2008, 10:06 PM
Did you really write all that?

For THIS crowd?

The average SO reader will get to the second paragraph and be sidetracked by a random boobgoogle.

MR2-Sooner86
4/29/2008, 10:12 PM
I read the whole thing and agreed with most of it. Good post.

12
4/29/2008, 10:15 PM
I'm not saying there is anything not worthy of posting in there.

I just think the power of boobgoogle is underestimated.

Blue
4/29/2008, 10:22 PM
Boobgoogle. Heh.

colleyvillesooner
4/29/2008, 10:28 PM
When googled, it pops up all over the blog community.

olevetonahill
4/29/2008, 10:34 PM
A few Months Back I told My domestic DIL I would Nevar Vote fer the "Bitch" Nor the BHO , she said Oh you just dont want a Black Or a woman
I said You wrong Hon
Id Vote For Condi ,In a Minute over the others .
But She aint running either .
So John Gets My 1 also ;)
Colin Powell / Condi Rice Now that would Be an Awesome ticket

Big Red Ron
4/29/2008, 10:35 PM
I cannot take credit for that (sorry went to the arcade after posting). I got it from my Dad. That's why I said it sums up my thought.
s
I could have written it is exactly why I posted it.

Frozen Sooner
4/29/2008, 10:41 PM
Well, it's a good thing you have e-mail, or you'd never know who to vote for.


It is interesting to see all the dead bodies that you and your hubby have left in your wake. Suicides, mysterious deaths, cover-ups that make Richard Nixon look like a rank amateur.

Jesus wept. This old thing again?

Blue
4/29/2008, 10:43 PM
Hillary is a grade A lying YAINCH. Anybody who says different gets a green spek with a harsh reprimand.

Big Red Ron
4/29/2008, 10:55 PM
Well, it's a good thing you have e-mail, or you'd never know who to vote for.



Jesus wept. This old thing again?
Well, considering all of my degrees are in Public Policy and Political Science, I found this email particularly well thought out, and surprisingly on point.:)

Feel free to refute or debate any particular statement made, although I might need to consult my email. :rolleyes: No need to reach into that cloudy memory of 20 years of political strategy I have rotting away in my increasingly balding head.

olevetonahill
4/29/2008, 11:01 PM
Well, it's a good thing you have e-mail, or you'd never know who to vote for.



Jesus wept. This old thing again?

I dont listen to Email fer My votin
I just come to the SO fer some Advice from the Know its ;)

Frozen Sooner
4/29/2008, 11:10 PM
Well, considering all of my degrees are in Public Policy and Political Science, I found this email particularly well thought out, and surprisingly on point.:)

If your degrees are in Public Policy and Political Science and you thought this e-mail was particularly well-thought out, I'd have to question what you thought the motivation for the e-mail was. If it was to perpetuate lies under the guise of reasonableness, then I'd agree with you-the author obviously put a lot of thought into that.


Feel free to refute or debate any particular statement made, although I might need to consult my email. :rolleyes: No need to reach into that cloudy memory of 20 years of political strategy I have rotting away in my increasingly balding head.

OK, we'll refute the "trail of death" canard:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp

Or


You are a pathetic and plastic excuse for an American, who will not even salute the Flag during the Pledge of Allegiance.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp

Gandalf_The_Grey
4/30/2008, 01:09 AM
My only problem is that people like Reverend Wright are all critical of the USA and accuse us of things from causing 9/11, inventing AIDs to kill minorities, and various other crazy *** things. They say stuff like "God Damn America", do they realize what the consequences if they were a Chinese person saying "God Damn China", Russian saying "God Damn Putin", North Korean saying "God Damn Kim Jong-Il", Anybody saying "God Damn Allah", the examples are too numerous to cite. We allow these morons air time when more than half of the world would KILL you for having the audacity to question them. Also, isn't Church to spread the word of Jesus...no offense but I doubt Jesus got around to judgement on empires 17 18 centuries away.

olevetonahill
4/30/2008, 01:19 AM
Silence !!!!!!!
I KILL YOU !!!!!!!!!!:D

Jimminy Crimson
4/30/2008, 01:32 AM
Amen.

Mjcpr
4/30/2008, 08:38 AM
Is Rusty still in the Navy?

OU4LIFE
4/30/2008, 08:40 AM
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp

well....that article sure seems to support him NOT saluting the flag when others were...

http://www.snopes.com/politics/graphics/anthem.jpg

Frozen Sooner
4/30/2008, 11:01 AM
The specific claim was that he "refuses" to salute the flag during the Pledge of Allegiance. He does no such thing, as is stated in the article. He did[/] stand respectfully without his hand over his heart during the playing of the [i]Star Spangled Banner-which he has since said was a mistake and that's how he thought you were supposed to act during the playing of the national anthem.

JohnnyMack
4/30/2008, 11:08 AM
The little lights aren't twinkling Clark.

I know Art and thanks for noticing.

Mjcpr
4/30/2008, 11:12 AM
Grace died 30 years ago.

olevetonahill
4/30/2008, 11:35 AM
The specific claim was that he "refuses" to salute the flag during the Pledge of Allegiance. He does no such thing, as is stated in the article. He did[/] stand respectfully without his hand over his heart during the playing of the [i]Star Spangled Banner-which he has since said was a mistake and that's how he thought you were supposed to act during the playing of the national anthem.

So your Sayin that a Man who Dont know "How to act " During the National Anthem. Should be the leader Of Our country ?

Frozen Sooner
4/30/2008, 11:40 AM
Are you honestly saying that you think that putting your hand over your heart during the Star Spangled Banner is a requirement for being president? He was acting in a respectful manner. It's not like he kept his hat on, or tried to show off what a great singer he is by trying to drown out the performance.

For what it's worth, I was under the impression for many years that you simply stood at attention during the playing of the national anthem if you're a civilian. Putting your hand over your heart didn't make sense-you're not giving an oath or anything.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
4/30/2008, 12:03 PM
Hill can still take this thing. Yeehah, free stuff for the citizenry!

mdklatt
4/30/2008, 12:04 PM
For what it's worth, I was under the impression for many years that you simply stood at attention during the playing of the national anthem if you're a civilian.

Why don't you just admit that you don't wear a flag lapel pin and get the neg jihad started in earnest?

:D

Echoes
4/30/2008, 12:13 PM
Yeah, gotta go with Mike on this one. I can see your points, but lots and lots of the information is totally and utterly fabricated in that e-mail.

I was pretty big on Obama at first glance in this race.. but this preacher thing is just unnerving. Hearing him speak, its amazing that Obama didn't realize some 15 odd years ago to go to a different church because this guy would not be good for his image.. I thought politicians were a little more savvy then that. It's going to be a tough vote for me, for sure.

I think an important point that Obama makes is judgement over experience, and I believe it. I mean there is really not even a reason to make a list of people who have had 30 or 40 years worth of experience in politics and royally messed everything up. I could probably name 100 off the top of my head without effort. I think that it is more of the judgement aspect of decision making that should be taken into account, over the experience. That being said, Obama clearly did not display good judgement when choosing a church =)

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
4/30/2008, 12:43 PM
I was pretty big on Obama at first glance in this race..
I think an important point that Obama makes is judgement over experience,...=) What part of the most liberal voting record in the Senate do you find appealing? Does that represent judgment or experience?

Big Red Ron
4/30/2008, 12:43 PM
I can see your points, but lots and lots of the information is totally and utterly fabricated in that e-mail.

Name one.

Big Red Ron
4/30/2008, 12:45 PM
His "judgement" led him to be a member of a racist anti-American church. Is that the type of judgement you want?

soonerscuba
4/30/2008, 01:06 PM
Name one.
The Clinton's aren't murderers for one.

Rhino
4/30/2008, 01:14 PM
What's that sound? You hear it? It's a funny squeaky sound.

Big Red Ron
4/30/2008, 01:30 PM
The Clinton's aren't murderers for one.Maybe I missed it but where does it say that? If nothing else its odd that those people all died in the Clinton wake, especially the ones that either were about to or did flip on them but it calls them murderers nowhere.

soonerscuba
4/30/2008, 01:43 PM
Maybe I missed it but where does it say that? If nothing else its odd that those people all died in the Clinton wake, especially the ones that either were about to or did flip on them but it calls them murderers nowhere.
So you are admitting that it's absolutely nothing but pure speculation? The Clinton game is old, we get it, you think they are capable of anything. The taxpayers gave the Republicans $15m to hunt Hillary for Whitewater, and found nothing. I'm not a fan of Hillary Clinton right now, but this is hack, and you know it.

Big Red Ron
4/30/2008, 01:47 PM
So you are admitting that it's absolutely nothing but pure speculation? The Clinton game is old, we get it, you think they are capable of anything. The taxpayers gave the Republicans $15m to hunt Hillary for Whitewater, and found nothing. I'm not a fan of Hillary Clinton right now, but this is hack, and you know it.You are getting old.

Nobody even insinuated they were murdered in this post. It mearly points to a pattern of WEIRD SH!T that HAS INDEED HAPPENED.

You act like that paragraph makes the whole thing inakrit and it doesn't.

Big Red Ron
4/30/2008, 01:48 PM
BTW - You have clearly missed the humor and irony in much of that post due to one false inuendo.

soonerscuba
4/30/2008, 02:00 PM
You are getting old.

Nobody even insinuated they were murdered in this post. It mearly points to a pattern of WEIRD SH!T that HAS INDEED HAPPENED.

You act like that paragraph makes the whole thing inakrit and it doesn't.
So you are merely saying that there is a pattern of death around possible enemies of the Clintons, but will not say one way or another as to their involvement? Everyone knows what you are doing. Grow a pair and call the Clintons murderers, we all know that is what you are implying anyway.

Also, the piece isn't incorrect because it's pure hyperbole and opinion, which is fine, but don't try to pass speculation off as fact.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
4/30/2008, 02:07 PM
So you are merely saying that there is a pattern of death around possible enemies of the Clintons, but will not say one way or another as to their involvement? Everyone knows what you are doing. Grow a pair and call the Clintons murderers, we all know that is what you are implying anyway.

Also, the piece isn't incorrect because it's pure hyperbole and opinion, which is fine, but don't try to pass speculation off as fact.Neither Clinton has been convicted of murder in court. Therefore, they are not murderers, and should never even be called murderers!

Civicus_Sooner
4/30/2008, 02:08 PM
So you are merely saying that there is a pattern of death around possible enemies of the Clintons, but will not say one way or another as to their involvement? Everyone knows what you are doing. Grow a pair and call the Clintons murderers, we all know that is what you are implying anyway.

Also, the piece isn't incorrect because it's pure hyperbole and opinion, which is fine, but don't try to pass speculation off as fact.

I don't see why anyone would get all hot and bothered over this. It's obviously opinion and like it or not, probably sums up the majority of voters opinion for this elections.

I know I'm totally exahusted with the Clinton's and Bush's.

I also think it would be cool to have a black Prez but Obama, it won't be.

soonerscuba
4/30/2008, 02:50 PM
I'll chill out on this thread, but I guess my point is that there are so many practical things about each of the candidates to dislike, why are we still resorting to falsehood? McCain will do nothing to change Iraq, Clinton is a habitual liar and deeply in the pockets of the insurance lobby (which is the height of hypocrisy), and Obama is from one of the most corrupt political machines in America which is tying him to known felons.

That said, the weird thing is that this crop of candidates could be really, really good. I like Obama, but McCain is a deeply respectable man who won't scorch the earth for political victory, which we need after the last to executive cycles.

Howzit
4/30/2008, 02:57 PM
Sorry, Jed. I got to the second paragraph and was sidetracked by a random boobgoogle.

But I agree on your choice.

JohnnyMack
4/30/2008, 02:58 PM
That said, the weird thing is that this crop of candidates could be really, really good. I like Obama, but McCain is a deeply respectable man who won't scorch the earth for political victory, which we need after the last to executive cycles.

I think I could live with either McCain or Obama as POTUS. But even having Hillary around as the D nominee seeing the way she's acted to this point makes me scared for the political landscape for years to come should she get the nomination.

Frozen Sooner
4/30/2008, 03:09 PM
What's really frightening is that she's currently leading McCain by 9 percentage points in the latest AP poll-well outside the poll's margin of error.

Obama's lead over McCain in the same poll is 2 percentage points.

Oddly, Obama has a lead over Hillary in that same poll. I think that means that more Obama voters are willing to vote for Hillary. Me, I'm still leaning McCain if Hillary wins the nomination.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
4/30/2008, 03:13 PM
What's really frightening is that she's currently leading McCain by 9 percentage points in the latest AP poll-well outside the poll's margin of error.

Obama's lead over McCain in the same poll is 2 percentage points.

Oddly, Obama has a lead over Hillary in that same poll. I think that means that more Obama voters are willing to vote for Hillary. Me, I'm still leaning McCain if Hillary wins the nomination.Hill will be the D nominee!

Scott D
4/30/2008, 03:19 PM
Personally, I'd rather see a debate that ended with all 3 candidates being executed live on television than actually vote for one of the three choices.

Civicus_Sooner
4/30/2008, 03:28 PM
Zogby, by far, the most accurate Presidential polling firm has McCain beating both of the Dems. Most other notable polls have McCain leading both Dems too, although most are within the margin of error.

Frozen Sooner
4/30/2008, 03:52 PM
Didn't Zogby have Kerry beating Bush pretty handily?

And in fact, Zogby has Obama leading McCain as of two days ago http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1490

Scott D
4/30/2008, 04:38 PM
Zogby gave Karl Rove a kidney once...God bless Zogby.

mdklatt
4/30/2008, 04:40 PM
Didn't Zogby have Kerry beating Bush pretty handily?


Shenanigans in Ohio!

Frozen Sooner
4/30/2008, 04:54 PM
Shenanigans in Ohio!

Heh. You know, I was listening to some guy talking about what he thought was election fraud. Now, I haven't verified his claims, so I'm not saying they're accurate-I thought what he said was interesting and I've got it tucked away as "Hey, I need to look at these claims sometime."

Anyhow, here's what he had to say:

1. When the US or UN monitors elections, their major control is exit polling. That is, if the official election results have a significant deviation from the exit polling, observers take that as an indicator of possible fraud.

2. Exit polling in the 2004 election deviated significantly enough from the official results that it would have triggered an investigation under UN standards. The response in the US, however, was that the exit polls were flawed and no investigation was made. He also made the point that the US was the only western nation where exit polls weren't accurate to within a tenth of a percent of the official result.

3. There was not one instance where there was a significant deviation between exit polling and the official results where the deviation did not result in a gain for the Republican candidate in the official result.

Again-I have not checked out these claims, nor do I claim they are accurate.

mdklatt
4/30/2008, 05:03 PM
Heh. You know, I was listening to some guy talking about what he thought was election fraud. Now, I haven't verified his claims, so I'm not saying they're accurate-I thought what he said was interesting and I've got it tucked away as "Hey, I need to look at these claims sometime."

Anyhow, here's what he had to say:

1. When the US or UN monitors elections, their major control is exit polling. That is, if the official election results have a significant deviation from the exit polling, observers take that as an indicator of possible fraud.

2. Exit polling in the 2004 election deviated significantly enough from the official results that it would have triggered an investigation under UN standards. The response in the US, however, was that the exit polls were flawed and no investigation was made. He also made the point that the US was the only western nation where exit polls weren't accurate to within a tenth of a percent of the official result.

3. There was not one instance where there was a significant deviation between exit polling and the official results where the deviation did not result in a gain for the Republican candidate in the official result.

Again-I have not checked out these claims, nor do I claim they are accurate.


Hmm, that is very interesting. I have no doubt that there shenanigans in every election, and that both parties are equally predisposed to funny business. So, if you assume that both parties are equally competent at voter fraud (on a national basis), then everything should cancel out. However, when you consider that the Dems couldn't even win in 2004, maybe they're not equally competent at anything. :D

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
4/30/2008, 06:02 PM
Hmm, that is very interesting. I have no doubt that there shenanigans in every election, and that both parties are equally predisposed to funny business. So, if you assume that both parties are equally competent at voter fraud (on a national basis), then everything should cancel out. However, when you consider that the Dems couldn't even win in 2004, maybe they're not equally competent at anything. :DThey nominated John effinKerry. How were they gonna win?

Big Red Ron
4/30/2008, 06:14 PM
They nominated John effinKerry. How were they gonna win?
No doubt. If the Dems ever woke up and nominated Evan Bayh they'd be in business.

I was shocked that he didn't run this year. I have no doubt that he'll be POTUS someday.

Big Red Ron
4/30/2008, 06:19 PM
Zogby, by far, the most accurate Presidential polling firm has McCain beating both of the Dems. Most other notable polls have McCain leading both Dems too, although most are within the margin of error.
Zogby is hot and cold. Still his firm is top notch.

The problem with and "National Presidential Poll" is that they don't take the time and money to craft a survey that takes into account the realities of the Electoral College. So, the surveys the publish are not reliable when projecting a winner.

Echoes
4/30/2008, 09:09 PM
Name one.

The Clinton murders for one, as well as the whole Obama flag pin deal. Mike pointed out the snopes out articles on it earlier. Guys, just because the deaths of people the Clintons know is 'wierd' or 'unusal' doesnt mean them and their friends go on murdering rampages. Correlation doesn't equal causation. This is obvious, doesn't even need to be stated. Some people they know have died. Show me a smoking gun. The same thing with the Obama pin, that thing was so blown out of proportion its not even funny. Furthermore, the whole article is written as a blast on the candiditates, not like its a list of stately facts.


His "judgement" led him to be a member of a racist anti-American church. Is that the type of judgement you want?

If you read down further in my post sir, you will see that I said he definetly did not display good judgement by joining that church. I totally agree with what your saying. I don't think his judgement is good. That is obvious. I think the point that judgement is as important as experience is one to at least entertain.


What part of the most liberal voting record in the Senate do you find appealing? Does that represent judgment or experience?

Rush, could you show me that? I can't seem to find a link to the actual link with the formula they use or what not to decide he's the most liberal candidate out there. I would like to know what all the background info is on that. But yes, I am probably somewhat more liberal then most on here and I am well aware he is liberal too.

I'm not taking up for Obama.. I hope it doesn't seem like that. I was favoring him in the generals, but now I am back up in the air after all this preacher stuff.

Echoes
4/30/2008, 09:11 PM
and sorry for the late late reply :) School and work kept me all tied up!

Big Red Ron
4/30/2008, 09:38 PM
The Clinton murders for oneNo where in that post does it say the Clintns are murders. Those things happend and they were all tied in some way to the Clintons. Fact. You may not like it but it is a fact. Hell, the Clintons make me want to kill myself sometimes. Just imagine if you worked for them.

JohnnyMack
4/30/2008, 09:40 PM
No where in that post does it say the Clintns are murders. Those things happend and they were all tied in some way to the Clintons. Fact. You may not like it but it is a fact. Hell, the Clintons make me want to kill myself sometimes. Just imagine if you worked for them.

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa63/VenomousKate/EV%20Pix/Hillary.jpg

soonerscuba
5/1/2008, 08:58 AM
No where in that post does it say the Clintns are murders. Those things happend and they were all tied in some way to the Clintons. Fact. You may not like it but it is a fact. Hell, the Clintons make me want to kill myself sometimes. Just imagine if you worked for them.
So you're saying the Clintons are jinxed, perhaps we should consult a shaman before we nominate her?

So people died that had association with Clintons, to quote Dick Cheney "So?".

OU4LIFE
5/1/2008, 09:40 AM
I'm gonna need a definition of 'is'

JohnnyMack
5/1/2008, 10:07 AM
No doubt. If the Dems ever woke up and nominated Evan Bayh they'd be in business.

I was shocked that he didn't run this year. I have no doubt that he'll be POTUS someday.

He got bluffed out early on by the Clinton Machine and her (at the time) massive war chest. He and Mark Warner. Both of them would have been good choices and I wouldn't rule VP slots out for either one.

MR2-Sooner86
5/1/2008, 11:08 AM
Rush, could you show me that? I can't seem to find a link to the actual link with the formula they use or what not to decide he's the most liberal candidate out there. I would like to know what all the background info is on that. But yes, I am probably somewhat more liberal then most on here and I am well aware he is liberal too.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Barack_Obama.htm

OklahomaRed
5/1/2008, 11:37 AM
Good post. A lot of insinuations, but does a good job of summing up how a lot of people feel. One thing I get tired of is all the finger pointing over gas prices and the economy. When are people going to realize that high gas prices are the result of the "one world" economy that both the Reps and Dems push. We are just getting to the point where Europe and the rest of the world have been for years on gas prices. The U.S. could at least control the price a little bit if the environmentalists would have allowed more exploration (ANWR, Gulf of Mexico, Atlantic) and oil field development domestically 10 years ago. Also, allow more refineries to be build domestically so the price didn't jump $10 a barrel every time a refinery "burps". Also, if the would allow more building of nuclear powerplants.

The econcomy is being caused by the "rich" controlling Wallstreet, laws being changed to allow speculation with other people's money, and the housing market going belly up because of bad borrowing the last 10 years and speculation on homes. That, and the leveling off of the USA being dragged down to everyone else's level in the "one world" economy. Both Dems and Reps support this.

All of them are lining their own pockets and are so deep into big money due to campaign finance laws that you will never see another POTUS that represents the people get elected until something changes.

So, get used to it.

I'm voting for the lesser of all the evils. McCain. No choice. I would much rather have someone else, and I can support black, brown, red, woman, whomever; as long as they represent the people, quit taxing the crap out of me, and have some common sense that keeps our economy and military one step ahead of everyone else's. I really don't want to see America slip to a second tier power.

CORNholio
5/1/2008, 05:14 PM
If the donkeys had just scraped up one generic, non-issue, "say what your supposed to say" candidate then this would have been a landslide victory for the democrats but they had to go find two of the most controversial candidates outside of GWB and shoot themselves in the foot. Way to go Dems!!!!

CORNholio
5/1/2008, 05:19 PM
Now is not the time to be throwing up candidates of such controversy. Everybody knows what America wants right now and it involves fixing Iraq/economy/etc. The people are looking for a candidate that will re-establish the moderate trust we had in the government of days gone bye and a prez that atleast appears to be smarter than us. If the dems weren't so dumb they would save the dishonest feminazi and anti-american racist for a time when there weren't already so many pending issues at the forefront of America's collective mind.