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Okla-homey
4/29/2008, 08:27 PM
These kids are America's 911 Force. When the president wakes up in the middle of the night and is faced with circumstances involving imminent danger to American citizens and interests abroad, Ft Bragg is one of the places that get called.

Nothing is too good for American paratroopers. Many of these kids are still living in barracks Dean used to throw-up in.

It's time to build better dang it.


Army widens probe after finding bad conditions at Fort Bragg

WASHINGTON - Army officials said Tuesday they are inspecting every barracks building worldwide to see whether plumbing and other problems revealed at Fort Bragg, N.C., last week are widespread.

Brig. Gen. Dennis Rogers, who is responsible for maintaining barracks throughout the Army, told reporters at the Pentagon that most inspections were done last weekend but he had not seen final results.

While not providing specifics about problems discovered during the weekend inspections, Rogers indicated some deficiencies were corrected. In cases where extensive repairs are deemed necessary, the soldiers in that housing would be moved elsewhere until the fixes are completed, he added.

Rogers said it was too soon to know whether the Fort Bragg problem was an isolated incident. He acknowledged the revelations from a video shot by the father of an 82nd Airborne Division soldier showing poor conditions such as mold inside the barracks, peeling interior paint and a bathroom drain plugged with sewage.

The soldier's father, Ed Frawley, said he was disgusted by the conditions that greeted his son and the rest of his 82nd Airborne unit that returned on April 7-8 after a 15-month tour of duty in Afghanistan.

"We let our soldiers down, and that's not like us," Rogers told reporters. "We let our soldiers down. That's not how we want America's sons and daughters to live. There's no good excuse for what happened."

He said the problems in that building have been fixed and that a final paint job is in the works. It is one of 24 barracks at Fort Bragg that were built in the 1950s and are scheduled for demolition by 2013. The barracks singled out by Frawley had been remodeled in April 2006, Rogers said.

Rogers said the Army's standard procedure is to inspect a barracks building to verify that it meets Army standards before it is occupied by soldiers returning from an overseas deployment. For reasons he was unable to explain, that apparently did not happen in the Fort Bragg incident.

A spokesman for Fort Bragg, Tom McCollum, told the same group of reporters that the post, which is one of the Army's largest with a population of 51,000 soldiers — including more than 12,000 who live on the post — is saddled with 1950s-vintage housing that is not popular with soldiers.

Of the more than 12,000 in barracks at Fort Bragg, about 2,500 are in those built in the 1950s, Army spokesman Paul Boyce said.

"Are soldiers happy with living in the Korean War-era barracks? No," McCollum said. They do not meet the expectations of today's troops, although the Army has done what it can to improve living conditions, McCollum said, speaking by telephone from Fort Bragg.

"Today, no matter how hard we try, we can't put enough lipstick on this pig to make it more pretty," the spokesman said. "So are there soldiers complaining? Yeah." He said they've been complaining for decades.

royalfan5
4/29/2008, 08:36 PM
Now I'm not sure if it is legal or not, but why doesn't the United States separate the defense budget from the rest of budget, and set up an independent funding mechanism to make sure the military is always as well equipped and such as they need to be. That way it is harder to rob the military of proper funding, and would probably allow for better oversight.

12
4/29/2008, 08:40 PM
You know, it's ironic... we voluntarily give large chunks of money to watch our favorite teams enjoy the finest of facilities every day. They have adequate to amazing housing, practice facilities that run in the tens of millions, lounges with pool tables, recliners, plasmas, flawless plumbing and the admiration of adoring fans nationwide.

MUCH more money is taken from us involuntarily to fund our federal programs, one of those being the military. These are men and women serving a MUCH more important effort than any football or basketball game. It seems we could (at the VERY LEAST) provide adequate facilities for their most basic of needs.

olevetonahill
4/29/2008, 08:41 PM
Troops are gonna Bitch .If the Barracks are so Nasty Get off your *** and Clean em .
WTF ?

VeeJay
4/29/2008, 08:50 PM
I'm not intentionally bashing Bush here, but it would seem Mr. War President would have a little more on the ball as far as ensuring this kind of thing doesn't exist. Slick Willie's mantra was "The Buck Stops Over There." No, it didn't. And it doesn't for Shrub either. Our men deserve better than this.

I drive through Ft. Bragg occasionally (Hwy. 87), amd there's new housing being built that looks like modern apartment buildings. This should have taken place a long time ago.

GottaHavePride
4/29/2008, 10:31 PM
Nothing is too good for American paratroopers.


Damn skippy. My granddad was one of them about 65 years ago. ;)

olevetonahill
4/29/2008, 11:25 PM
Damn skippy. My granddad was one of them about 65 years ago. ;)

Godbless the Granpas :cool:

Sooner_Havok
4/30/2008, 12:24 AM
So, how many "Bad conditions for troops" stories is this now under W

olevetonahill
4/30/2008, 12:27 AM
So, how many "Bad conditions for troops" stories is this now under W

OH Lord
Please Give Us back the Draft . So these Poor Misguided solders with there Stress Cards, High Pay , Will appreciate How Soft it is
A****ingman :mad:

Frozen Sooner
4/30/2008, 12:38 AM
Couldn't agree more Homey.

Sooner_Havok
4/30/2008, 12:39 AM
Just saying, first they ain't getting the care they need after coming home crippled, now this.

olevetonahill
4/30/2008, 12:49 AM
Just saying, first they ain't getting the care they need after coming home crippled, now this.

But My young Friend
These Young Folk
Volunteered !They Come Home with 30 Large in the Bank , Cause everything they Need has Been supplied to em . Plus all Our Great ( and I mean this )
Patriotic Folks at Home Have sent em everything else they wanted
I aint Bitchin Cause I think , Hell Ya You Go Guys and Gals
If I could have saved every Dime I made In the Nam,
3300 total. Thats Tax free , Hazard Pay , jump pay Etc.
Aw hell Here I go gettin all melancholy and shat again .
A little Peelin Paint aint gonna Kill em.

Sooner_Havok
4/30/2008, 12:56 AM
I still don't think that should force them to live in squaller on base after returning from a tour, or be denied adequate medical care after they got blown up in a road side explosion.

Your right, if it was bad, have the soldiers clean it up. They are there to do what ever the military tells them to. But they can't clean up stuff if they aren't given the tools to do it.

olevetonahill
4/30/2008, 01:08 AM
Bro
where the Hell were you in 69-70 ?
;) :D :cool:

Sooner_Havok
4/30/2008, 01:28 AM
Bro
where the Hell were you in 69-70 ?
;) :D :cool:

Part of me was in Korea, and part of me was in Minco ;)

olevetonahill
4/30/2008, 01:32 AM
Part of me was in Korea, and part of me was in Minco ;)

You wernt even a smile On your Daddy's Mouth :D

Tiptonsooner
4/30/2008, 06:52 AM
I've never seen the barracks that are being spoke of, that out of the way. I have been involved in many remodels of barracks on different bases. The government requires a very high standard to be met in the construction and remodel of these projects with tough inspectors onsite every day. If these were remodeled in 2006, they are probably more modern that most of us are used to. A little peeling paint, or alot for that matter can be from alot of things, from high humidity to lack of care. The sewer blockage delio, the same thing. You wouldn't believe how some of these guys living there take care of things, or what they will flush down the toilet.

These are the same 18 and 19 year olds you guys know from around town, you might have one living in your house. How do they live?

This seems like some reporter stiring up shat.

Hot Rod
4/30/2008, 07:03 AM
http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=86203

Here's a video to what Homey is talking about.

Tiptonsooner
4/30/2008, 07:39 AM
http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=86203

Here's a video to what Homey is talking about.

I agree, something is not right about that situation. My previous post is very true, but something else is going on is this case.

stoopified
4/30/2008, 10:36 AM
My best friend in HS srved in the 82nd from '78-'81.

olevetonahill
4/30/2008, 10:43 AM
If My Chute
Dont open Wide
Ill be a
spot on the country side