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Chuck Bao
4/27/2008, 05:15 AM
The old Olympics thread was moved to general sports.

This thread is decidedly political, unless the mods decide that political protest are sports and then I'm okay with that.

Thailand kowtows to China like nobody's business, but even Thailand newspaper editorials have taken a new look at the Olympics and China's growing nationalistic movement and it's possible tendency to turn on its own goverment.

I think I mentioned in the other thread that the WSJ had an article about this and the goverment in China feels the most threatened by a more activist populace.


China must not overdo its olympic push

Branding critical nations 'enemies' will only end up further isolating country

Published on April 26, 2008
Whenever China's population of 1.3 billion is mobilised, it is capable of shaking the whole world. Thus the country's voice has been strong in its condemnation of protests against it holding the Olympic Games in August. The Chinese have also come out strongly against what they describe as biased Western media reports about the Tibet issue. Of course, in China it is impossible to hold a protest without the government's authorisation. When throngs of people protested against Japan over its interpretation of historical events a few years back, everyone knew that the government had a hand in the protests. However, the Chinese protests over the Olympic Games in recent weeks have been a different matter.

Ordinary Chinese people are very proud that their country is hosting the Olympics in August, and they want to ensure that everything goes smoothly. To them, this is a glorious moment for China to host the highly popular games.

So it is not surprising that they tend to see the world divided into two groups. The first are those who support the games and whom it considers friends. Likewise, they deem anybody who is pro-Tibet or critical of China to be a common enemy without any further scrutiny. The Chinese are very clear with this delineation and there is no middle ground.

Following the September 11 terrorist attacks, US President George W Bush adopted a similar approach - saying countries were either America's friends or its enemies. As the US has learned painfully over the past seven years, such views can be dangerous and end up resulting in more enemies than friends, especially in developing countries. Allowing for no middle ground is a recipe for making enemies.

In the future, China could face the same dilemma. The anti-Chinese protests in London and Paris have already inspired a strong sense of patriotism among the Chinese people. They have boycotted French products and their outlets for supporting the Tibetan cause, despite denials by those concerned. If this trend continues, the pro-China campaigns could backfire and cause further damage to their country's image and reputation - a development that they do not wish to see.

After the Olympic Games, China's profile in the world will have increased. There will be more public demands for greater freedom, more transparency and access to information. The Chinese people want their country to be a responsible stakeholder in the world. They want respect when they travel overseas. They have better lives, they travel, they see different worlds and they want a better China.

In the end, the Chinese authorities have to realise that it is always harder to manage public sentiment against its own government than against foreigners. Even though foreign press often fails to report on small public demonstrations throughout China every year, news continues to be spread by local media and word-of-mouth of local discontent and rallies, which could surpass 10,000 incidents.

Finally, there are growing number of Chinese people living around the world. Some of them are students who studied abroad at the beginning of the "Four Modernisation" agenda in 1978 and have not yet returned home. Others prefer the Western atmosphere and take up residency overseas, returning home from time to time. These people have showed up in past weeks to support the Olympic Games. These overseas Chinese are independent thinkers and they know what is going on inside their country. They also have dreams of their future China. They could protest again in the future but this time not in support of the games but rather they could aim for a more open and democratic China. If that happened, it would be a real test for China.

Moreover, Chinese "netizens" have been very active in organising and stimulating debates and calling for support against Western reports on the Olympics. They have so far lashed out at the Western press but they seldom examine the content of local vernacular press when they report on Tibet and other important issues. In the future, these netizens will probably focus more on domestic developments and act like "lighthouses" to spotlight pivotal issues affecting China's rise and its people's well-being.

Scott D
4/27/2008, 09:17 AM
Chinese hackers taking over the cnn sports webpage last week was ****ing brilliant :)

Widescreen
4/27/2008, 09:54 AM
If this trend continues, the pro-China campaigns could backfire and cause further damage to their country's image and reputation
They don't have far to fall.

Chuck Bao
5/1/2008, 01:32 PM
They don't have far to fall.

Heh! Maybe they do.

Anyone following this Olympic torch run up to Mount Everest story?

What's next? Are they going to shot it off into space?

http://www.wired.com/culture/lifestyle/news/2008/04/everest_bloggers


Olympic-Torch Security Troops Block Everest Bloggers' Climb

Climbers on Mount Everest's south side are surreptitiously blogging a standoff with Nepalese soldiers ahead of China's Olympic torch run on the opposite side of the mountain next week.

With a news blackout in effect since Monday at the Everest base camp -- and no news media at camps farther up the mountain -- the situation is being chronicled only by a smattering of international climber/bloggers.

"We saw lots of military staff and one solider carrying a very sophisticated sniper type of gun," Jim Curtin wrote on his blog Monday.

Curtin has been blogging his ascent of Everest for several weeks but is now stuck at Camp 2, at 21,000 feet.

Over the last several days his blog has chronicled the frustrating wait as Nepalese soldiers block climbers from ascending the mountain.

Nepalese soldiers have closed the summit until the Chinese torch run is made, which is expected between May 1 and May 10, depending on the weather. Italian bloggers captured a picture of Nepalese soldiers on the 27th, seen above.

Soldiers have posted a hand-drawn sign, saying, "Dear Climbers. All of you are not allow to go forward from this point till 10 May 2008. Thank you for your cooperation," according to Curtin, who posted a picture). PeakFreaks also noted the existence of the sign.

"Should someone blow past the sign and start climbing the Lohtse face, the skilled sniper may come into play," Curtin wrote.

Mountain teams are supposed to be under a communications blackout, but a group called Climbers Without Borders have set up an anonymous information service that allows climbers to posts updates to MountEverest.net.

In addition, several climbers have their equipment stashed away, according to a climbing-equipment salesman who requested anonymity to protect clients in the field.

Nepalese soldiers arrived at the mountain on the 20th with the orders from Nepal's Home Ministry to stop pro-Tibet protests by "any means necessary" according to the Associated Press.

One young American climber, William Brant Holland, was found carrying a sign that read "Free Tibet, **** China" last Friday, and deported back to the United States. Despite the presence of soldiers, Holland said that he was not scared.

"The soldiers are just plainclothes. They're not carrying machine guns, maybe just have one side-arm," Holland told Wired.com by cellphone Tuesday. "They're not gonna shoot anybody."

A combination of small, high-tech gadgets powered by solar panels are enabling wired climbers to keep blogging and remain in touch with their loved ones.

Luis Benitez, a climber who has ascended Everest six times, said that all the technology necessary to run a blog could be stowed in a tiny bag.

"You need a satellite phone, a PDA, special compression software, one cable and a solar panel and that's it," Benitez said.

Benitez said that despite the blackout, he continues to receive phone calls from friends at Camp 1, where Nepalese authorities do not have a military presence.

"People are hiding sat phones in their socks," he said.

While the bloggers on the mountain have generally refrained from directly criticizing the Nepalese or Chinese governments, Benitez, who has previously run afoul of the Chinese government, was more open.

"The Chinese bribed the Nepalese to make the mountain a police state," Benitez said. "I've been a mountaineer my whole life and I've never seen anything like it."

soonerboomer93
5/1/2008, 01:46 PM
Shanghai was a blast, i'd go back there if in a heart beat if I ever get the chance

Chuck Bao
5/1/2008, 02:05 PM
Shanghai was a blast, i'd go back there if in a heart beat if I ever get the chance


That's probably a very good thing. You may not need to go to Shanghai, Shanghai and the rest of China will come to you.

soonerboomer93
5/1/2008, 02:54 PM
Shanghai is supposedly much more westernized then the rest of mainland china. i might be finding out if that's true soon enough.