OU Pro Day ?? No Reggie Smith ?

[Dallas]

I heard the OU Pro Day was today and that Malcolm Kelley will not be running? Rumor also has it that Reggie Smith didn't even show up?

Does anyone have any infomation?

[stoops the eternal pimp]

No Malcolm, No Reggie

[stoops the eternal pimp]

Curtis got his 40 time down to 4.67

Marcus Walker ran the same

Lewis Baker ran a 4.7 which is shocking to me

Tommy Grady participated

results (http://www.soonersports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/031108aaa.html)

[Boomer.....]

Are they both still injured?

[Dallas]

They didn't even show up to do some interviews? Not working out because you are hurt is one thing, but not showing up at all and taking advantage of the scene really sends a bad message.

Someone said Smith is still nursing the toe problem? Kelley still have a hammy issue?

It was a big day today. I don't get the not showing up at all. That's going to drop both of them.

[XFollower]

David Robinson smoked the long shuffle. Did he have to make a couple of pit stops?

[Frozen Sooner]

Kelly is in town and I believe is participating in interviews. He is not working out.

Reggie Smith has apparently decided to blow the whole thing off. I'm not sure if he's got a family issue or not or what's going on, but if there's no emergency or whatever going on, it's a baffling choice.

Allen Patrick ran a ridiculously fast 40 for him-sub-4.5

[Boomer.....]

I'm wondering if they think their times will hurt their status.

[sooneron]

Allen Patrick ran a ridiculously fast 40 for him-sub-4.5

Nice! I hope he does well in April and afterwards. Anyone know the projection on him?

[stoops the eternal pimp]

that time for AP is different than what soonersports is reporting..4.6, 4.55 is what they say..

[Frozen Sooner]

that time for AP is different than what soonersports is reporting..4.6, 4.55 is what they say..

Hm. Rivals sent me a text about an hour ago saying 4.48.

[stoops the eternal pimp]

From Soonersports

Lewis Baker: 4.70, 4.73
Steven Coleman: 4.76, 5.14
Alonzo Dotson: 5.05, 4.94
Joe Jon Finley: 4.88, 4.86
Curtis Lofton: 4.67, 4.67
Allen Patrick: 4.60, 4.55
Demarrio Pleasant: 5.04, 5.12
Ian Pleasant: 4.63, 4.71
Marcus Walker: 4.58, 4.55
Darien Williams: 4.77, 4.71
D.J. Wolfe: 4.57, 4.57
Dane Zaslaw: 5.13, 4.95
Tommy Grady: 4.94, 4.95
David Robinson: 4.70, 4.70

[soonerfan28]

I could be wrong, but I thought Walker ran like a 4.45 last winter. Why are these guys getting slower when they get here. I know recruiting websites aren't accurate, but maybe we need to recruit some true speed. I know we work on putting weight on our players, but don't we also work on speed and quickness drills. I guess maybe it just shows how much time certain individuals put into the workouts.

[sooner518]

why is Tommy Grady doing our pro-day? Does Utah not have one or something?

[stoops the eternal pimp]

If Utah did have one, it probably wouldnt draw too many team scouts...20 different teams represented at OUs

[bluedogok]

I could be wrong, but I thought Walker ran like a 4.45 last winter. Why are these guys getting slower when they get here. I know recruiting websites aren't accurate, but maybe we need to recruit some true speed. I know we work on putting weight on our players, but don't we also work on speed and quickness drills. I guess maybe it just shows how much time certain individuals put in to the workouts.
Most high school 40 times are ridiculously deflated and are usually nowhere near accurate. They may also be timed running on a track and not on turf or grass. There is just no way of knowing if what is presented as their times is anywhere close to accurate.

The other day on ESPN Radio Kiper raved about Kelly, said he would be the first receiver taken.

[soonerfan28]

I know their is a difference between game speed and what your 40 time reveals, but damn we need to get some DB's who aren't getting us beat in big games. That's not meant to be a knock on Reggie or Marcus because they are good athletes, but I don't think we've been great back there since Roy Williams and Derrick Strait.

[jccouger]

What school did David Robinson transfer too? He was becoming one of my favorite players before he left...

[sooner94]

Looks like Coleman got really tired after his first run.

[stoops the eternal pimp]

Robinson ended up at South dakota

Williams and Strait were great athletes but here is something to think on..How good were the offenses they faced off against...how many of them were spread offenses..and generally the way the game has changed over the last few years..

[Rhino]

What school did David Robinson transfer too? He was becoming one of my favorite players before he left... South Dakota.

He had 15 catches for 161 yards last season.

[CK Sooner]

Looks like Coleman got really tired after his first run.

I saw that.

[CK Sooner]

South Dakota.

He had 15 catches for 161 yards last season.

I'm gonna take a guess he wasn't a starter?

[cjones]

Reggie Smith and Kelly don't need to do anything because they are locked into high draft postions. AP running a 4.48 is a surprise because he did not look that fast playing last year. Maybe some scouts watch film instead of using the workouts as their guide.

[princetonsooner]

Is anyone shocked at the lack of team speed?

[effay]

Reggie Smith and Kelly don't need to do anything because they are locked into high draft postions.

Reggie Smith is locked into a high draft position? What?

[OU-HSV]

From Soonersports

Lewis Baker: 4.70, 4.73
Steven Coleman: 4.76, 5.14
Alonzo Dotson: 5.05, 4.94
Joe Jon Finley: 4.88, 4.86
Curtis Lofton: 4.67, 4.67
Allen Patrick: 4.60, 4.55
Demarrio Pleasant: 5.04, 5.12
Ian Pleasant: 4.63, 4.71
Marcus Walker: 4.58, 4.55
Darien Williams: 4.77, 4.71
D.J. Wolfe: 4.57, 4.57
Dane Zaslaw: 5.13, 4.95
Tommy Grady: 4.94, 4.95
David Robinson: 4.70, 4.70

I noticed that earlier too. Seems like slower than expected 40's as a group. But AP did pretty good.
I'm surprised Reggie blew it off, unless like Rich said maybe had a family emergency or something. Anyways, here's a link directly to where soonersports.com is showing the results.

http://www.soonersports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/031108aaa.html

[colleyvillesooner]

Reggie Smith and Kelly don't need to do anything because they are locked into high draft postions. AP running a 4.48 is a surprise because he did not look that fast playing last year. Maybe some scouts watch film instead of using the workouts as their guide.

So is it 4.48 or 4.55?

[Frozen Sooner]

I'd probably guess it was a 4.55. I thought 4.48 sounded pretty fast for him. Like I said, I was just going off the text message Rivals sent me.

[Rhino]

Patrick (again), Kelly and Smith are going to work out on April 9.

Patrick is still dealing with his knee injury from the Shrine game, but he still went out and did some drills. Kelly just got over his thigh tear. I imagine Smith is still recovering from his broken big toe.

[CK Sooner]

Alonzo Dotson is going to be a beastly player.

[tulsaoilerfan]

Is anyone shocked at the lack of team speed?

better question is how does a DT run almost the same time as a starting LB?

[CK Sooner]

better question is how does a DT run almost the same time as a starting LB?

Yep, we need more speed. :D

[adoniijahsooner]

I could be wrong, but I thought Walker ran like a 4.45 last winter. Why are these guys getting slower when they get here. I know recruiting websites aren't accurate, but maybe we need to recruit some true speed. I know we work on putting weight on our players, but don't we also work on speed and quickness drills. I guess maybe it just shows how much time certain individuals put into the workouts.

Walker had more muscle mass to him this year than he did a year ago. I know our strength training is suppose to be top notch, but I think receivers and dbs need more work on flexibility and speed, the overuse of weights can be a problem, even in football.

[sooneron]

No Malcolm, No Reggie

No woman, no cry!


I can't believe this hanging curve wasn't crushed already!:texan:

[Desert Sapper]

why is Tommy Grady doing our pro-day? Does Utah not have one or something?

It was sort of a mutually beneficial thing.

Tulsa World Article (http://www.tulsaworld.com/sports/article.aspx?articleID=20080312_2_B2_spanc35686)


"We didn't have a quarterback to throw (for pass receiving drills), so that worked out good," Stoops said. "Tommy asked to come back and do some things, so it worked out good for him and for us."


I like that Tommy gained some humility over the past three years.

[stoops the eternal pimp]

nothing oustanding here..of course I imagine they only count full reps here

bench Press (Reps of 225 lbs.)

Steven Coleman - 21
Alonzo Dotson - 20
Tommy Grady - 18
Allen Patrick - 17
Lewis Baker - 16
Ian Pleasant - 16
Demarrio Pleasant - 14
Darrien Williams - 13
Dane Zaslaw - 12
Garrett Hartley - 11
D.J. Wolfe - 9
Marcus Walker - 7

[CK Sooner]

nothing oustanding here..of course I imagine they only count full reps here

bench Press (Reps of 225 lbs.)

Steven Coleman - 21
Alonzo Dotson - 20
Tommy Grady - 18
Allen Patrick - 17
Lewis Baker - 16
Ian Pleasant - 16
Demarrio Pleasant - 14
Darrien Williams - 13
Dane Zaslaw - 12
Garrett Hartley - 11
D.J. Wolfe - 9
Marcus Walker - 7

Garrett Hartley is stronger than D.J and Marcus!!!

[jccouger]

Bench press isn't a good measure of how strong you are. I'm sure Garrets arms are a lot shorter then Marcus or D.J.'s

[Boomer.....]

Hartley is a big dude.

I am amazed with Grady's bench press.

Why didn't JJ do it? He had a horrible bench at the combines because of lifting his back us. You think he would want to try and redeem himself.

[dw17]

Good for Grady. Nice redemption for him.

[mynameisjoe]

I'm pretty sure I saw Kelly in one of the pro-day pics, so he was definitely there for the interviews. I also noticed that there were 2 scouts from Buffalo, while the other teams sent one. IIRC, alot of mock drafts have Kelly going to Buffalo.

[cvsooner]

Hartley's 5'8" and nearly 200 pounds. Grady weighs in at 245 pounds, according to one news report and has muscles on his muscles. He's also 6'6".

JaMarcus Russell with the Oakland Raiders is reportedly tipping the scales at 300 pounds plus...and the Raidahz are not happy about it.

[Desert Sapper]

JaMarcus Russell with the Oakland Raiders is reportedly tipping the scales at 300 pounds plus...and the Raidahz are not happy about it.

There's about three or four NFL QBs that should be OL/DL by height/weight. Russell'd make a hell of a DE in the 3-4.

[mynameisjoe]

JaMarcus Russell with the Oakland Raiders is reportedly tipping the scales at 300 pounds plus...and the Raidahz are not happy about it.

Looks like we found the next Jared Lorenzen

[Frozen Sooner]

Except I think Lorenzen has actually won an NFL game.

[soonerfan28]

Williams and Strait were great athletes but here is something to think on..How good were the offenses they faced off against...how many of them were spread offenses..and generally the way the game has changed over the last few years..

I'd have to agree with you but then defenses have to evolve also. I think our defense is going to continue to be good. I would just like to see us get faster in the defensive backfield.

[Curly Bill]

I'd have to agree with you but then defenses have to evolve also. I think our defense is going to continue to be good. I would just like to see us get faster in the defensive backfield.

I would like to see us get into the offense's backfield faster.

[stoops the eternal pimp]

I'd have to agree with you but then defenses have to evolve also. I think our defense is going to continue to be good. I would just like to see us get faster in the defensive backfield.

Sure they have to evolve but right now,IMO, the game is in the part of the cycle where offenses are ahead of the defenses..eventually it will turn and go the other way...its just what it is...

My point really wasnt about not evolving but just stating those guys didnt face the same O's as these guys are...and also Strait and Williams werent the fastest guys in the world...

[soonerfan28]

Good point. Maybe English will do something this year. lol

[soonerfan28]

I agree they weren't the fastest guys, especially Williams. Maybe they were just able to be in the right place at the right time.

[soonerfan28]

I would like to see us get into the offense's backfield faster.
Maybe English will do something this year. lol

[Tear Down This Wall]

Kelly and Smith have already made huge mistakes by jumping in a year too soon. I doubt either of them goes in the first round.

Neither did the NFL combine or the Pro Day. Kelly is injury prone. Smith wasn't a shut down corner in college. It's hard to believe pro scouts are going to go back and tell the NFL teams, "Hey, draft these guys high because the people on their message board like them."

Whomever is giving these two advice needs to be hit in the head with a brick.

[soonerfan28]

I thought they were suppose to have their day on April 9th, so maybe they will shine, but I think that is highly unlikely because of the injuries they both had. I agree they both went to early. Smith only played 1 full year at corner and was hurt in the Fiesta Bowl. Kelly hasn't shown he can make it through a full season since he was a freshman. I think they both have tremendous upside, but if they don't wow scout on the 9th then I don't think they'll go high.

[cjones]

I thought they were suppose to have their day on April 9th, so maybe they will shine, but I think that is highly unlikely because of the injuries they both had. I agree they both went to early. Smith only played 1 full year at corner and was hurt in the Fiesta Bowl. Kelly hasn't shown he can make it through a full season since he was a freshman. I think they both have tremendous upside, but if they don't wow scout on the 9th then I don't think they'll go high.


Smith played both corners and safety for OU in his three years. Kelly is rated Number 1 by Mel Kiper at WR. Both played at a very high level all three years at OU and will be drafted high. I am excited to watch these guys in the Pros. I hope one or both land on the Cowboy's so I can watch them play more often. The workouts are just a small part of the evaluations at this time. Both have lifted weights and ran the 40 before and I am confident that they have put up solid numbers in those categories. Watching them play football is all that matters and they played at an elite level. Curtis played so well he had to go pro also.

[Salt City Sooner]

Smith played both corners and safety for OU in his three years. Kelly is rated Number 1 by Mel Kiper at WR. Both played at a very high level all three years at OU and will be drafted high. I am excited to watch these guys in the Pros. I hope one or both land on the Cowboy's so I can watch them play more often. The workouts are just a small part of the evaluations at this time. Both have lifted weights and ran the 40 before and I am confident that they have put up solid numbers in those categories. Watching them play football is all that matters and they played at an elite level. Curtis played so well he had to go pro also.
Those rankings can be VERY subjective. I was watching Path to the Draft on NFL network a couple of days ago & Mayock said that he had MK ranked the #5 WR in the draft. On top of that, he also said that he doesn't have a single WR with a first round grade.

[cjones]

Those rankings can be VERY subjective. I was watching Path to the Draft on NFL network a couple of days ago & Mayock said that he had MK ranked the #5 WR in the draft. On top of that, he also said that he doesn't have a single WR with a first round grade.

I agree it is subjective and only the NFL teams draft board really matters but that is why we like to express opinions on the draft before it happens. As an OU fan I would put Smith and Kelly at 22 and 28 in the draft right where the Cowboys are sitting but that won't happen. Here is another draft site's ratings.

Here is the current top 32 at NFL Draft Coutdown.

Class Position School
1. Darren McFadden JR RB Arkansas
Elite talent who is destined to become one of the league's top rushers.
2. Jake Long SR OT Michigan
A left tackle who is not quite Joe Thomas but is better than Levi Brown.
3. Chris Long SR DE Virginia
Technician who plays the run and pass and has an unparalleled motor.
4. Glenn Dorsey SR DT L.S.U.
Simply one of the best defensive tackle prospects we've seen in years.
5. Vernon Gholston JR DE Ohio St.
Versatile pass rusher extraordinaire and also a rare physical specimen.
6. Sedrick Ellis SR DT USC
Prototypical 3-technique who can rush the passer and defend the run.
7. Matt Ryan SR QB Boston College
Off the charts intangibles and physical tools are more than adequate.
8. Ryan Clady JR OT Boise St.
You won't find many guys this size with such good feet and athleticism.
9. Keith Rivers SR OLB USC
Undersized but pretty athletic and he even wears #55 for the Trojans.
10. Jonathan Stewart JR RB Oregon
An impact runner with a truly rare blend of size, speed and athleticism.
11. Rashard Mendenhall JR RB Illinois
A productive runner with very good size and more than enough speed.
12. Limas Sweed SR WR Texas
Great size and a big play specialist but timed speed's a question mark.
13. Leodis McKelvin SR CB Troy
The prototype in terms of size / speed and he's also a top return man.
14. Phillip Merling JR DE Clemson
Is big and strong but he also has a remarkable motor and never quits.
15. Kenny Phillips JR S Miami (FL)
Fantastic athlete and the next in a long line of elite Hurricane safeties.
16. Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie SR CB Tennessee St.
Extraordinary athleticism, height, hands, leaping ability, and ball skills.
17. DeSean Jackson JR WR California
Better prospect than Ted Ginn was as both a wideout and return man.
18. Dan Connor SR OLB Penn St.
Similar in many ways to Paul Posluszny but might be a better prospect.
19. Derrick Harvey JR DE Florida
Top pass rusher who is a better prospect than Jarvis Moss was in '07.
20. Mike Jenkins SR CB South Florida
Not a shutdown corner but he has the physical tools that you look for.
21. Jeff Otah SR OT Pittsburgh
Very raw but has rare size and hasn't begun to reach his full potential.
22. Reggie Smith JR S Oklahoma
Versatile defensive back with superb athleticism and playmaking skills.
23. Brian Brohm SR QB Louisville
Has the physical tools and the stats but is he a product of the system?
24. Malcolm Kelly JR WR Oklahoma
Big play threat with excellent size but timed speed is a question mark.
25. Branden Albert JR OG Virginia
Has superb size (6-7, 315) and could project to either guard or tackle.
26. Chris Williams SR OT Vanderbilt
A left tackle with excellent size and athleticism who makes it look easy.
27. Aqib Talib JR CB Kansas
Terrific athlete and a playmaker who is only held back by timed speed.

[soonerfan28]

I think they would both be better off not working out at all. If they don't test well they are going to hurt their draft status more then they would if they didn't work out at all. As I said in my original post the both have tremendous upside, but because of injuries this was not the best time to come out. They will both be great pros, but they are not going to be drafted high.

[TMcGee86]

I agree Smith made a bad choice coming out this year, in light of the depth at CB and his reduced role late in the year, but Kelly made a great choice coming out.

He's a consensus top 3 WR on nearly everyone's board, and there's basically no top notch WR's coming out this year.

Most mocks have him as the first WR taken. Sux he's leaving but he made a wise decision imho.

[soonerfan28]

I don't think it was wise because he was injured. I'm not so sure he'll run a good 40 and I think that will hurt him. Again, he would be better off not running at all if he's going to run a 4.7