David Boren's Book

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

Any of you guys getting this thing...looks interesting enough :pop::pop::pop::pop::pop::pop::pop::pop:
http://www.alettertoamerica.org/

[Jimminy Crimson]

Almost done with it.

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

Well...is it any good?

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

I clicked on the link, and read the "About the Book" tab. It looks to be a combination of gobbledygook and liberalism. I doubt that it would be very inspirational.(for example, the advocy of socialized medicine)

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

who is this guy?It says he's pres of the OU.

[dolemitesooner]

I clicked on the link, and read the "About the Book" tab. It looks to be a combination of gobbledygook and liberalism. I doubt that it would be very inspirational.(for example, the advocy of socialized medicine)Why are people so affraid of things that are LiberaL like it is some sort of dirty word. You probably won't read it because Rush said it was bad.

You have nothing orginal to give to the board or anyone for that matter. Your a pawn that just spues the propaganda of Rush Limbaugh. **** even your board name shows this.

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

I don't take the opinion of anyone with a quote that says basically women are ignorant very seriously anyway ;)

[dolemitesooner]

His Ideas are some of the exact things Boren points to the very first pages of his books when he says this country is heading in a bad direction is the republicans and dems can not find someway to work together.

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

It increasingly obvious that the pandering the Republicans and Democrats did to the oil executives wasn't the best decision

[Jimminy Crimson]

Well...is it any good?

I'll wait until I'm done to assess the situation. :texan:

[dolemitesooner]

I'll wait until I'm done to assess the situation. :texan:
Its a letter. Its like 60 ****ing pages. Your not done yet?

[TUSooner]

I clicked on the link, and read the "About the Book" tab. It looks to be a combination of gobbledygook and liberalism. I doubt that it would be very inspirational.(for example, the advocy of socialized medicine)

How easy! If you can label anything "liberal" you can kill it with a clear conscience. And I guess just a tiny drop of "liberal" would be enough to pollute a whole ocean of sense. Brilliant.

[Sooner Born Sooner Bred]

I clicked on the link, and read the "About the Book" tab. It looks to be a combination of gobbledygook and liberalism. I doubt that it would be very inspirational.(for example, the advocy of socialized medicine)David Boren, liberal? Bwahahahahaha!

I've read a little of it. I actually tried to kick off my shoes and chase him down in the airport on Sunday so he could sign my copy but he and Molly were getting on their plane when I got to his gate.

[Jimminy Crimson]

Its a letter. Its like 60 ****ing pages. Your not done yet?

It's the current sh!tter book. I'll finish it in a day or two, depending on my dietary intake.

[Sooner Born Sooner Bred]

It's the current sh!tter book. I'll finish it in a day or two, depending on my dietary intake.
Just as long as "that other book" doesn't end up in there, we're golden.

[Civicus_Sooner]

Did it cover his days at Oxford?

Or how about his buddy, W. Scott Thompson who was a Reagan appointee who came out as gay during the Reagan years and later became a professor at Tufts. He devotes two pages of his book to Boren. He says that Boren's homosexuality "was never too far from the surface."

[dolemitesooner]

Did it cover his days at Oxford?

Or how about his buddy, W. Scott Thompson who was a Reagan appointee who came out as gay during the Reagan years and later became a professor at Tufts. He devotes two pages of his book to Boren. He says that Boren's homosexuality "was never too far from the surface."
The book is called a "Letter to america" and that what it is. Its not a Biography its a book on he thinks america is going to have in the near future and what the america people and washington meed to do to stop that future from coming true.

[mdklatt]

I actually tried to kick off my shoes and chase him down in the airport on Sunday so he could sign my copy

I guess you didn't get one of the 50 e-mail announcements or dozen mailings about the book signing.

[Sooner Born Sooner Bred]

I guess you didn't get one of the 50 e-mail announcements or dozen mailings about the book signing.Actually I did. Jimminy and I went to the signing on Friday. Jimminy (the Republican) waited in line for 2 + hours to get his signed. I (the Democrat) left after 30 minutes.

[picasso]

It's the current sh!tter book. I'll finish it in a day or two, depending on my dietary intake.

http://www.chandoo.com/bnn/pictures/george_castanza.jpg

[dolemitesooner]

THIS BOOK HAS BEEN FLAGED SIR.

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

WHat you say isn't hate speech. However, you come off as uneducated and just genuinely retarded. I started this thread to see if anyone was interested and to see if anyone would recommend it. IF you read this and then said, "I felt like this was typical liberal bs" I could respect that. However, despite never even expanding your comfort zone and respecting a man who has served this country and MY university, with at the very least, competency. You come on here and spew your talking points without the least bit of knowledge and that is why people are so negative towards you.

[Jimminy Crimson]

http://www.chandoo.com/bnn/pictures/george_castanza.jpg

I bought it! I bought it!

[dolemitesooner]

WHat you say isn't hate speech. However, you come off as uneducated and just genuinely retarded. I started this thread to see if anyone was interested and to see if anyone would recommend it. IF you read this and then said, "I felt like this was typical liberal bs" I could respect that. However, despite never even expanding your comfort zone and respecting a man who has served this country and MY university, with at the very least, competency. You come on here and spew your talking points without the least bit of knowledge and that is why people are so negative towards you.
NAIL ON HEAD


ducks from beano negg coming

[Civicus_Sooner]

I have not read it. I respect David Boren as a towering figure of Oklahoma Politics but as Barry Switzer once said, "Anyone with 50% plus one is qualified to be an office holder." He's also a great college President but I somehow doubt he has any more original ideas than the current crop out there.

[mdklatt]

Oh wait, there's more, from the enlightened!:


DAMN THIS BOARD AND ITS LIBRUHL BIAS! [shakes fist]

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

WHat you say isn't hate speech. However, you come off as UNEDUCATED and just GENUINELY RETARDED.... and that is why PEOPLE are so negative towards you.NICE ANALYSIS! Criticism of socialized medicine, is it uneducated or retarded, or both? I expect the people who are so negative to me to be that way. Most have a history of that, because they disagree with me, I suppose, and don't like that I am so critical of liberalism.

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

Has the "left" liberals in this country ever had a good idea?

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

Socialized Medicine...what the rudy poo hell does that have to do with anything in this thread?

[dolemitesooner]

Socialized Medicine...what the rudy poo hell does that have to do with anything in this thread?Lmao Thats what I dont understand.:D :D

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Socialized Medicine...what the rudy poo hell does that have to do with anything in this thread?Mentioned in the "about the book" tab on the link you provided.

[picasso]

Boren's an old school Dem anyway.

sheesh.

[soonerscuba]

Has the "left" liberals in this country ever had a good idea?
Legalize it.

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

You disagree with one of his points and that makes it liberal?

If you kept reading it also says "budget deficit reduction, affordable higher education, and a more progressive tax structure will strengthen the middle class." Aren't those bulwarks of Conservatism?

[Frozen Sooner]

1. Budget deficit reduction

This is something that conservatives like to say and I believe most of them do believe it. Strangely enough, though, the deficit under Reagan and the second Bush has grown immensely. I think people from both parties recognize that the budget deficit has grown beyond where it should EVER be.

2. Affordable higher education

When has this ever been a part of the conservative movement?

3. More progressive tax structure

Near as I can tell, most conservatives are greatly opposed to this.

Still amusing that the bugaboo of "socialized medicine" gets raised, though. People just don't seem to understand what socialism entails. Until the government starts nationalizing hospitals and forcing all doctors to work for them, we don't have socialized medicine.

[sooner_born_1960]

I think Gandalf just forgot the winkie.

[mdklatt]

If you kept reading it also says "budget deficit reduction, affordable higher education, and a more progressive tax structure will strengthen the middle class."

That sounds like nothing but fancy lib language for "raising taxes" to me, Castro humper.

[OUstudent4life]

Until the government starts nationalizing hospitals and forcing all doctors to work for them, we don't have socialized medicine.

A-freakin'-men. I don't understand why people don't get that.

[Frozen Sooner]

Ah. I'm slow today. I've got the day off and I've spent a lot of it working on fixing stuff around the house. On the bright side, the upstairs toilet has a new seat on it, the sink up there drains much faster, the car is clean, and the dishwasher door is fixed.

[Vaevictis]

I wonder if rabies causes conservatism.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

You disagree with one of his points and that makes it liberal?

If you kept reading it also says "budget deficit reduction, affordable higher education, and a more progressive tax structure will strengthen the middle class." Aren't those bulwarks of Conservatism?Depends on how budget deficit reduction is achieved. If a "more progressive" tax structure is used, that is liberal's stuff. Doggone it, you know that, already. If it's lowering taxes to let the economy grow, that is the conservative position. (BTW, it always works) More "affordable higher education" is also loaded with questions, as to how that is achieved.

[Frozen Sooner]

A-freakin'-men. I don't understand why people don't get that.

Because people forget that words have specific meanings and should be chosen with care.

I don't exclude myself from this-I use sloppy language all the time.

[Frozen Sooner]

Depends on how budget deficit reduction is achieved. If a "more progressive" tax structure is used, that is liberal's stuff. Doggone it, you know that, already. If it's lowering taxes to let the economy grow, that is the conservative position. (BTW, it always works) More "affordable higher education" is also loaded with questions, as to how that is achieved.

Really? How's that lowering taxes to reduce the federal budget deficit working right now?

[mdklatt]

If it's lowering taxes to let the economy grow, that is the conservative position. (BTW, it always works)

What's the economy doing now? :confused:

[StoopTroup]

I'm going to read President Boren's book and also Ralph Nader's new book "The 17 Traditions"

From a review on Nader's book...


Blending memoir and thoughtful inspiration, Nader offers readers a chance to look back on a time in American history when the family and the natural world were central in a child’s understanding of how to be a conscientious adult.

Among the seventeen traditions he celebrates:

* The Tradition of Listening
* The Tradition of Charity
* The Tradition of Civics
* The Tradition of Work
* The Tradition of Patriotism
* The Tradition of Simple Enjoyment

[Frozen Sooner]

What's the economy doing now? :confused:

You owe me a coke.

[mdklatt]

Because people forget that words have specific meanings and should be chosen with care.


You would suck at demagoguing and fearmongery.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Really? How's that lowering taxes to reduce the federal budget deficit working right now?Brings in more money to the treasury. What the legislature and pres. do with that money is another issue. You know all this Mike. Why do you play dumb, when you're not?

[mdklatt]

Why do you play dumb, when you're not?

Are you sure? I think he went to public school. :D

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Are you sure? I think he went to public school. :DHis parents prolly sent him there, so he's not to blame.

[mdklatt]

he's not to blame.

:les: LIB!

[Frozen Sooner]

Brings in more money to the treasury. What the legislature and pres. do with that money is another issue. You know all this Mike. Why do you play dumb, when you're not?

Nonresponsive, argumentative, and insulting as well. Nice trifecta.

[Frozen Sooner]

http://www.uuforum.org/Images/deficit.gif

That projected 2008 deficit looks pretty awesome.

[picasso]

1. Budget deficit reduction

This is something that conservatives like to say and I believe most of them do believe it. Strangely enough, though, the deficit under Reagan and the second Bush has grown immensely. I think people from both parties recognize that the budget deficit has grown beyond where it should EVER be.

2. Affordable higher education

When has this ever been a part of the conservative movement?

3. More progressive tax structure

Near as I can tell, most conservatives are greatly opposed to this.

Still amusing that the bugaboo of "socialized medicine" gets raised, though. People just don't seem to understand what socialism entails. Until the government starts nationalizing hospitals and forcing all doctors to work for them, we don't have socialized medicine.

dude, I'm no fiscal guru but I'd dare say if you lower taxes to boost the economy you can't spend as much as the goobs in D.C. normally do when said tax breaks are in effect.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Ah, The Clinton years, when there was a republican congress that acted like republicans, instead of democrats, but then, you knew that, too.(or at least you should have) You should also prolly point out the upward trend before Clinton took office, and the downward trend that started before Clinton left office. Other considerations:1) Are you accusing W of being a fiscal conservative? Not when it comes to social spending! 2) The congress has been dem-controlled for over a year. What is it you are saying?

[Frozen Sooner]

dude, I'm no fiscal guru but I'd dare say if you lower taxes to boost the economy you can't spend as much as the goobs in D.C. normally do when said tax breaks are in effect.

Yep.

I'm disagreeing with the assertion that tax breaks "always" work to reduce the deficit. History is not on the side of that assertion.

Tax breaks CAN boost the growth of the economy. I don't think anyone who's ever opened an economics textbook would disagree. They do not "always" reduce deficits, nor do they "always" result in increased revenues.

[Vaevictis]

dude, I'm no fiscal guru but I'd dare say if you lower taxes to boost the economy you can't spend as much as the goobs in D.C. normally do when said tax breaks are in effect.

Has that ever actually stopped them? Revenue shortfalls never seem to stop them.

Only political pressure does.

[mdklatt]

That projected 2008 deficit looks pretty awesome.


Look how the deficit explodes from 2001 to 2004, and then starts to recover once the Dems take over Congress. Interesting.

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

know what else is interesting, during the Clinton administration the deficit drops, but guess what, there was a Republican congress...So the whole Democrat congress is awesome theory doesn't have much water.

[Civicus_Sooner]

1. Budget deficit reduction

This is something that conservatives like to say and I believe most of them do believe it. Strangely enough, though, the deficit under Reagan and the second Bush has grown immensely. I think people from both parties recognize that the budget deficit has grown beyond where it should EVER be.

.Both Reagan and Bush had serious wars to spend $$ on but actually the legislature controls spending. Clinton benifited greatly from the "Contract with America" signing 9 of 10 of the items, including the balanced budget amendment.

[Chuck Bao]

Clinton also benefited from the internet boom. A lot of tax revenues were paid on profits on selling while the selling is good on fictional future profits.

[picasso]

Clinton also benefited from the pornography boom. A lot of tax revenues were paid on profits on selling while the selling is good on fictional future profits.
fixed?

[Chuck Bao]

Oops that. I forgot that the internet is for porn.

This never gets old, no matter how many times I grab my dick and double click.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5430343841227974645

Besides that I'm buying the book.

[soonerscuba]

Both Reagan and Bush had serious wars to spend $$ on but actually the legislature controls spending. Clinton benifited greatly from the "Contract with America" signing 9 of 10 of the items, including the balanced budget amendment.
It's an easy world view to think "Republicans=Good, Dems=bad" and "Congress controls spending" to shirk off the responsibilities of a president in the role of budget policy. But, you do realize there is an entire agency called the Office of Management and Budget that exists with the sole propose of preparing the budget that the president is required by law to submit to Congress? Also, the Whitehouse vets the expenditures of both the legislative and judicial branch. The president actually carries quite a bit of weight in regards to federal spending. The idea of administrative vetting of budgets as a form of checks and balances might be a bit too technical for school children, so most of us are taught that Congress controls the money until you pay attention in a college level Fed. Gov't class.

To say that Newt Gringrich, or Bill Clinton for that matter, waved a magic wand and poof went the deficit is just silly, there were probably several thousand mitigating factors, but a gov't hell bent on fixing the deficit to claim victory for their respective party was probably the biggest.

[Zbird]

I wonder if rabies causes conservatism.

Possibly, but more likely cause is overly tight anal sphincter.

[Chuck Bao]

Possibly, but more likely cause is overly tight anal sphincter.

I like that discreption.

So, an overly loose butt muscle would be a liberal.

Is there any wonder about the closeted liberal republicans?

They want to appear to be tight, but in reality they just have a wide stance in the bathroom stall.

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

Just don't tap your foot two times....

[Chuck Bao]

Hey, Hey. I'm wwway conservative. And, there will be no foot tapping here.

[Sooner Born Sooner Bred]

Well I heard Boren speak at Rotary today. I haven't had the chance to read the book yet. Now that it's signed I'll have to do that.

Today he mentioned that the Congress and Senate are different than when he was there. He said when he went to the Senate, all of the freshmen (D and R) and their wives would get together for potluck dinners every month or so. He said that fostered more cooperation because they actually liked each other. Now, Republicans have their caucuses and Democrats have their caucuses and they spend time trying to figure out how to undermine the other.

[Civicus_Sooner]

Ah, yes, everything is always better back in the day. :rolleyes: